Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
Don't mean to thread hijack, but it seems this thread was pretty far gone anyway. I must say that the English phonotactics are really on display here. Googlezon sounds like something big, heavy and vaguely dangerous, a kind of Golem but somewhat clunky and difficult to take seriously, like the monsters in old Japanese semi-animations. Amazoogle sounds like something from a Douglas Adams book, with a long wiggly trunk and lumpy multicolored skin, probably involving purple and green coloration and perhaps spots, and even more difficult to take seriously. Now why would that be? Syllable-initial stops versus vowels and sibilants? Stress on the final versus the penultimate syllable? A reduced final vowel in the latter that kind of dribbles away? Must ask my psycholinguist friends for a breakdown. I'm sure they have nothing better to do. On Feb 28, 2013, at 2:53 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Vry funny. It’s some sort of a video or perhaps only a link? If somebody doesn’t remember its name or have a better filing system than mine, I think it is lost in the bit-midden. N From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 8:31 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post. I know it’s on my hard drive but I cannot imagine how to search for it. Use Google. On Feb 27, 2013 8:24 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Does anybody remember a wonderful, phony corporate ad which predicted the eclipsing of Microsoft by an entity called Googlezon (as opposed to Amazoogle, I suppose). I know it’s on my hard drive but I cannot imagine how to search for it. Might be time to dust it off and wonder how close it came to being true. And, of course, we ain’t done yet. N From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Eric Charles Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:45 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post. Don't be silly. Soon as WebCrawler aggregates all those results, they will be the clear winner! Eric Charles Assistant Professor of Psychology Penn State, Altoona From: Barry MacKichan barry.mackic...@mackichan.com To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:03:41 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post. Alta Vista On Feb 26, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Gillian Densmore gil.densm...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone else remember when google was this small internet search engine that hardly anyone had heard of because they were off using yahoo? (or possible lycos?) FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
now to develop two algorithms: One for dougs raves about scantily clad women in las vegas and another for his rants about google. Maybe we can use this data in something useful. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: Cool it guys. I'm in Vegas. Sex on every corner. Sex at every table. Sex in the lobby. Sex, sex, sex. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: Just to get it in before Doug can... I don't think it would have included a happy ending. And would things have gone the way they did if they kept the 'BackRub' name? -Arlo James Barnes FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
I can take the edge off of that for you... last time I was in Vegas, I stayed at Caesers of all places (Thanksgiving trip?!) and across the way was the 200 ft tall image of Donny and Marie on the side of the ???xxxyyy hotel... being stripped down as we watched over several days. Put that image in your mind and it will all be ok... Cool it guys. I'm in Vegas. Sex on every corner. Sex at every table. Sex in the lobby. Sex, sex, sex. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com mailto:sasm...@swcp.com wrote: Just to get it in before Doug can... I don't think it would have included a happy ending. And would things have gone the way they did if they kept the 'BackRub' name? -Arlo James Barnes FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribehttp://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- /Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net mailto:d...@parrot-farm.net/ /http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins/ / 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile/ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
Oh, thanks. Donny and Marie being stripped. Just thanks. On Feb 27, 2013 10:43 AM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: I can take the edge off of that for you... last time I was in Vegas, I stayed at Caesers of all places (Thanksgiving trip?!) and across the way was the 200 ft tall image of Donny and Marie on the side of the ???xxxyyy hotel... being stripped down as we watched over several days. Put that image in your mind and it will all be ok... Cool it guys. I'm in Vegas. Sex on every corner. Sex at every table. Sex in the lobby. Sex, sex, sex. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: Just to get it in before Doug can... I don't think it would have included a happy ending. And would things have gone the way they did if they kept the 'BackRub' name? -Arlo James Barnes FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
Oh, thanks. Donny and Marie being stripped. Just thanks. It would have been a great timelapse if I'd realized it was being done incrementally over the several days we were there. I think their smiles were the last to go... like Cheshire cats. On Feb 27, 2013 10:43 AM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com mailto:sasm...@swcp.com wrote: I can take the edge off of that for you... last time I was in Vegas, I stayed at Caesers of all places (Thanksgiving trip?!) and across the way was the 200 ft tall image of Donny and Marie on the side of the ???xxxyyy hotel... being stripped down as we watched over several days. Put that image in your mind and it will all be ok... Cool it guys. I'm in Vegas. Sex on every corner. Sex at every table. Sex in the lobby. Sex, sex, sex. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com mailto:sasm...@swcp.com wrote: Just to get it in before Doug can... I don't think it would have included a happy ending. And would things have gone the way they did if they kept the 'BackRub' name? -Arlo James Barnes FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribehttp://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- /Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net mailto:d...@parrot-farm.net/ /http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins/ / 505-455-7333 tel:505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 tel:505-672-8213 - Mobile/ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribehttp://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
I promise that from now on, I'll read all the messages before responding to one. ;-( On Feb 27, 2013, at 12:03 PM, Barry MacKichan barry.mackic...@mackichan.com wrote: Alta Vista On Feb 26, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Gillian Densmore gil.densm...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone else remember when google was this small internet search engine that hardly anyone had heard of because they were off using yahoo? (or possible lycos?) FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
Don't be silly. Soon as WebCrawler aggregates all those results, they will be the clear winner! Eric Charles Assistant Professor of Psychology Penn State, Altoona - Original Message - From: Barry MacKichan barry.mackic...@mackichan.com To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:03:41 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post. Alta Vista On Feb 26, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Gillian Densmore gil.densm...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone else remember when google was this small internet search engine that hardly anyone had heard of because they were off using yahoo? (or possible lycos?) FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
Does anybody remember a wonderful, phony corporate ad which predicted the eclipsing of Microsoft by an entity called Googlezon (as opposed to Amazoogle, I suppose). I know it’s on my hard drive but I cannot imagine how to search for it. Might be time to dust it off and wonder how close it came to being true. And, of course, we ain’t done yet. N From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Eric Charles Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:45 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post. Don't be silly. Soon as WebCrawler aggregates all those results, they will be the clear winner! Eric Charles Assistant Professor of Psychology Penn State, Altoona _ From: Barry MacKichan barry.mackic...@mackichan.com To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:03:41 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post. Alta Vista On Feb 26, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Gillian Densmore gil.densm...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone else remember when google was this small internet search engine that hardly anyone had heard of because they were off using yahoo? (or possible lycos?) FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
Better yet... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPIC_2014 follow the link... it is on YouTube and other places. I know it's on my hard drive but I cannot imagine how to search for it. Use Google. On Feb 27, 2013 8:24 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Does anybody remember a wonderful, phony corporate ad which predicted the eclipsing of Microsoft by an entity called Googlezon (as opposed to Amazoogle, I suppose). I know it's on my hard drive but I cannot imagine how to search for it. Might be time to dust it off and wonder how close it came to being true. And, of course, we ain't done yet. N *From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Charles *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:45 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post. Don't be silly. Soon as WebCrawler aggregates all those results, they will be the clear winner! Eric Charles Assistant Professor of Psychology Penn State, Altoona *From: *Barry MacKichan barry.mackic...@mackichan.com mailto:barry.mackic...@mackichan.com *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com mailto:friam@redfish.com *Sent: *Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:03:41 PM *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post. Alta Vista On Feb 26, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Gillian Densmore gil.densm...@gmail.com mailto:gil.densm...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone else remember when google was this small internet search engine that hardly anyone had heard of because they were off using yahoo? (or possible lycos?) FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
Vry funny. It's some sort of a video or perhaps only a link? If somebody doesn't remember its name or have a better filing system than mine, I think it is lost in the bit-midden. N From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 8:31 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post. I know it's on my hard drive but I cannot imagine how to search for it. Use Google. On Feb 27, 2013 8:24 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Does anybody remember a wonderful, phony corporate ad which predicted the eclipsing of Microsoft by an entity called Googlezon (as opposed to Amazoogle, I suppose). I know it's on my hard drive but I cannot imagine how to search for it. Might be time to dust it off and wonder how close it came to being true. And, of course, we ain't done yet. N From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Eric Charles Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:45 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post. Don't be silly. Soon as WebCrawler aggregates all those results, they will be the clear winner! Eric Charles Assistant Professor of Psychology Penn State, Altoona _ From: Barry MacKichan barry.mackic...@mackichan.com To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:03:41 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post. Alta Vista On Feb 26, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Gillian Densmore gil.densm...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone else remember when google was this small internet search engine that hardly anyone had heard of because they were off using yahoo? (or possible lycos?) FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
Doug: I've been thinking about the google difficulty with managing their own hardware. It occurred to me that its history .. i.e. Apple didn't just invent a phone out of the blue, but instead had a long history of small personal devices. Their mp3 players. And they eventually evolved into a the iPod, a very sophisticated mp3 player plus much more. Then the iPhone. This is also true for the Palm Treo. Palm had the PDA .. the Palm Pilot which had years of evolution and maturity. Only then did they attempt the jump to a phone. In google's case, nada. No hardware history to speak of. So its not surprising that they did not succeed. Also, google as a company lacks the coherence and focus that both apple and palm had. They knew their markets and they knew their customers. They had considerable experience directly connecting to the customer. Apple even went so far as to have stores .. very direct connection with their customers. As much as I love the google ecology for mail, docs, search etc .. and admire their 2-factor authentication, I don't think of them as a single entity .. but a bunch of loosely coupled, tightly aligned services. But the internet is not a market, its a utility like water. So a google phone is sorta like a Facebook phone, or a Twitter phone. Indeed, because they are both greatly engaged with communication, they make more sense to me than a google phone. Android came out of google's several attempts to gain traction in the web/internet world, a web os. But even there, they really didn't go the extra mile. I'd expect Comcast to build a more effective web device .. internet is a core competency for them. Google uses the internet and has data centers, but they are not in control of the network aspect. So google has an identity problem. They apparently make their jack on advertisement. Would you expect an advertisement agency to build a good phone? Where I think google does have identity is in the browser. Chrome is abs fab, must have, and way ahead of the pack. V8 redefined javascript. So they do own their destiny there, although unfortunately for them, chrome is not pre-installed on mac and windows. No problem for us but quite an issue for others. Google really should be called Google Group, LLC with several separate competency centers that go whole hog after single, focused markets. G+ is a winner, but they need to treat it like Facebook, not part of google. Android is an OS. Sun found out selling OSs doesn't work. And worse, android, in the phone market, is split between the Unholy Trinity of carrier, handset provider, and google as OS. So either google catches up with history, slowly, as done by apple and palm .. and plans for that type of evolutionary progress, or google will distract itself into other ventures like big media and even banking like google wallet. Here's a question that focuses: which industry would google do best to acquire dominance? Should they buy Verizon or Comcast to own the internet they so well understand .. google fiber to the home? Should they buy Disney or CBS or MSNBC or Sony to become a media giant? Should they buy Amazon to become e-commerce giants? Should they buy AWS to own internet IT? Amazon is actually a great example .. I really do get Amazon and understand their evolution. Kindle, sure obvious. AWS, sure why not outsource IT if your already the best? Cloud music? Sure, already sell it so make it a library in the sky. Google refuses both history and evolution and focus. They say they're and advertisement company. Would you buy a phone from an advertisement company? Until coherence, no success. -- Owen On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: There, fixed that. http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
Chrome is nice, unless you need to run Java 7 applets or web start apps on a Mac. Chrome for Mac is 32-bit only, and Java 7 for Mac is 64-bit only. On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:12 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: Where I think google does have identity is in the browser. Chrome is abs fab, must have, and way ahead of the pack. V8 redefined javascript. So they do own their destiny there, although unfortunately for them, chrome is not pre-installed on mac and windows. No problem for us but quite an issue for others. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
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Anyone else remember when google was this small internet search engine that hardly anyone had heard of because they were off using yahoo? (or possible lycos?) On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Gary Schiltz g...@naturesvisualarts.comwrote: Chrome is nice, unless you need to run Java 7 applets or web start apps on a Mac. Chrome for Mac is 32-bit only, and Java 7 for Mac is 64-bit only. On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:12 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: Where I think google does have identity is in the browser. Chrome is abs fab, must have, and way ahead of the pack. V8 redefined javascript. So they do own their destiny there, although unfortunately for them, chrome is not pre-installed on mac and windows. No problem for us but quite an issue for others. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
How about altavista.digital.com? On Feb 26, 2013, at 8:02 PM, Gillian Densmore gil.densm...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone else remember when google was this small internet search engine that hardly anyone had heard of because they were off using yahoo? (or possible lycos?) FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
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And would things have gone the way they did if they kept the 'BackRub' name? -Arlo James Barnes FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
Cool it guys. I'm in Vegas. Sex on every corner. Sex at every table. Sex in the lobby. Sex, sex, sex. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: Just to get it in before Doug can... I don't think it would have included a happy ending. And would things have gone the way they did if they kept the 'BackRub' name? -Arlo James Barnes FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
God, thats amazing speed. I wonder if the cell providers might eventually take over broadband to the home? I know there are cell modem like critters that work as home broadband (Carl uses one). Currently they are expensive for massive use (movies etc). But with the failure of good broadband availability in much of the US, anyway, it seems a compelling market. -- Owen On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: So, after bitching about WiFi on the Nexus 4 earlier today, I'm now sitting in the Airport Hyatt in Abq getting 14 Mbps down, and 2 Mbps up with a solid HSPA+ T-Mobile connection, and guess what: everything works. Google is an idiot for not fixing WiFi on this phone. On Feb 23, 2013 6:02 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: That was next on my list, after getting Pandora running over WiFi to my Bluetooth speakers. :) On Feb 23, 2013 5:52 PM, Gillian Densmore gil.densm...@gmail.com wrote: gasp didn't root it to make a beowolf cluster? On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: Yep, that's my one remaining complaint, Roger. And my list of phones that can run wifi and bluetooth simultaneously is the following: 1) My previous phone, HTC Thunderbolt, running Android Gingerbread 2.3 Of course, that's the only other Android phone I've owned, so it's a short list. --Doug On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow r...@elf.org wrote: Doug -- So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time? WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio, which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the same time. It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and Bluetooth. My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was able to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle. That worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard. But if you tried to stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth. It was a magnificent attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion, but it didn't make it. There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried to run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems. So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and Bluetooth operated simultaneously with no problems? -- rec -- On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd: Page Views: 1 Entry Page Time: 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47 Browser: Firefox 18.0 OS: MacOSX Resolution: 1280x800 Total Visits: 15 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States IP Address: Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address] Referring URL: (No referring link) Visit Page: things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.netwrote: Sounds like I. On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified: Page Views: 1 Entry Page Time: 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59 Browser: Chrome 25.0 OS: MacOSX Resolution: 1440x900 Total Visits: 11 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States IP Address: Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP Address] Referring URL: (No referring link) Visit Page: things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: I noticed that as well. The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the black sheep of the cell phone flock. --Doug On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus and LG Nexus is? The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line and the Nexus line. -- Owen On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: There, fixed that. http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
I'm in Las Vegas NV for the next few days, regularly getting 18 Mbps down, 1 Mbps up on my $30/month unlimited T-Mobile plan. -Doug On Feb 24, 2013 11:13 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: God, thats amazing speed. I wonder if the cell providers might eventually take over broadband to the home? I know there are cell modem like critters that work as home broadband (Carl uses one). Currently they are expensive for massive use (movies etc). But with the failure of good broadband availability in much of the US, anyway, it seems a compelling market. -- Owen On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: So, after bitching about WiFi on the Nexus 4 earlier today, I'm now sitting in the Airport Hyatt in Abq getting 14 Mbps down, and 2 Mbps up with a solid HSPA+ T-Mobile connection, and guess what: everything works. Google is an idiot for not fixing WiFi on this phone. On Feb 23, 2013 6:02 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: That was next on my list, after getting Pandora running over WiFi to my Bluetooth speakers. :) On Feb 23, 2013 5:52 PM, Gillian Densmore gil.densm...@gmail.com wrote: gasp didn't root it to make a beowolf cluster? On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: Yep, that's my one remaining complaint, Roger. And my list of phones that can run wifi and bluetooth simultaneously is the following: 1) My previous phone, HTC Thunderbolt, running Android Gingerbread 2.3 Of course, that's the only other Android phone I've owned, so it's a short list. --Doug On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow r...@elf.org wrote: Doug -- So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time? WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio, which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the same time. It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and Bluetooth. My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was able to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle. That worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard. But if you tried to stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth. It was a magnificent attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion, but it didn't make it. There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried to run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems. So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and Bluetooth operated simultaneously with no problems? -- rec -- On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd: Page Views: 1 Entry Page Time: 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47 Browser: Firefox 18.0 OS: MacOSX Resolution: 1280x800 Total Visits: 15 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States IP Address: Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address] Referring URL: (No referring link) Visit Page: things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: Sounds like I. On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified: Page Views: 1 Entry Page Time: 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59 Browser: Chrome 25.0 OS: MacOSX Resolution: 1440x900 Total Visits: 11 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States IP Address: Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP Address] Referring URL: (No referring link) Visit Page: things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: I noticed that as well. The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the black sheep of the cell phone flock. --Doug On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus and LG Nexus is? The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line and the Nexus line. -- Owen On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: There, fixed that. http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net*
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
Massive use in US = normal use in the rest of civilization. Verizon just tried to sign a friend up to a wireless plan as her main internet access. Monthly cap? 5Gb. That's about a movie and a half at HD. —R On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: snip Currently they are expensive for massive use (movies etc). FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
Yeah but damn its hard to get reasonable broadband here. A couple of cans and string would beat what I got. -- Owen On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Robert Holmes rob...@robertholmes.orgwrote: Massive use in US = normal use in the rest of civilization. Verizon just tried to sign a friend up to a wireless plan as her main internet access. Monthly cap? 5Gb. That's about a movie and a half at HD. —R On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.netwrote: snip Currently they are expensive for massive use (movies etc). FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
[FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
There, fixed that. http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus and LG Nexus is? The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line and the Nexus line. -- Owen On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: There, fixed that. http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
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I noticed that as well. The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the black sheep of the cell phone flock. --Doug On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus and LG Nexus is? The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line and the Nexus line. -- Owen On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: There, fixed that. http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified: Page Views: 1 Entry Page Time: 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59 Browser: Chrome 25.0 OS: MacOSX Resolution: 1440x900 Total Visits: 11 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States IP Address: Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP Address] Referring URL: (No referring link) Visit Page: things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: I noticed that as well. The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the black sheep of the cell phone flock. --Doug On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.netwrote: After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus and LG Nexus is? The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line and the Nexus line. -- Owen On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: There, fixed that. http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
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Sounds like I. On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified: Page Views: 1 Entry Page Time: 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59 Browser: Chrome 25.0 OS: MacOSX Resolution: 1440x900 Total Visits: 11 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States IP Address: Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP Address] Referring URL: (No referring link) Visit Page: things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: I noticed that as well. The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the black sheep of the cell phone flock. --Doug On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.netwrote: After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus and LG Nexus is? The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line and the Nexus line. -- Owen On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: There, fixed that. http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd: Page Views: 1 Entry Page Time: 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47 Browser: Firefox 18.0 OS: MacOSX Resolution: 1280x800 Total Visits: 15 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States IP Address: Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address] Referring URL: (No referring link) Visit Page: things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: Sounds like I. On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified: Page Views: 1 Entry Page Time: 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59 Browser: Chrome 25.0 OS: MacOSX Resolution: 1440x900 Total Visits: 11 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States IP Address: Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP Address] Referring URL: (No referring link) Visit Page: things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: I noticed that as well. The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the black sheep of the cell phone flock. --Doug On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.netwrote: After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus and LG Nexus is? The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line and the Nexus line. -- Owen On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: There, fixed that. http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
Doug -- So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time? WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio, which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the same time. It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and Bluetooth. My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was able to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle. That worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard. But if you tried to stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth. It was a magnificent attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion, but it didn't make it. There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried to run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems. So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and Bluetooth operated simultaneously with no problems? -- rec -- On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd: Page Views: 1 Entry Page Time: 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47 Browser: Firefox 18.0 OS: MacOSX Resolution: 1280x800 Total Visits: 15 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States IP Address: Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address] Referring URL: (No referring link) Visit Page: things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.netwrote: Sounds like I. On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified: Page Views: 1 Entry Page Time: 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59 Browser: Chrome 25.0 OS: MacOSX Resolution: 1440x900 Total Visits: 11 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States IP Address: Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP Address] Referring URL: (No referring link) Visit Page: things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: I noticed that as well. The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the black sheep of the cell phone flock. --Doug On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.netwrote: After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus and LG Nexus is? The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line and the Nexus line. -- Owen On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: There, fixed that. http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile*
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
Yep, that's my one remaining complaint, Roger. And my list of phones that can run wifi and bluetooth simultaneously is the following: 1) My previous phone, HTC Thunderbolt, running Android Gingerbread 2.3 Of course, that's the only other Android phone I've owned, so it's a short list. --Doug On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow r...@elf.org wrote: Doug -- So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time? WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio, which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the same time. It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and Bluetooth. My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was able to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle. That worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard. But if you tried to stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth. It was a magnificent attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion, but it didn't make it. There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried to run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems. So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and Bluetooth operated simultaneously with no problems? -- rec -- On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd: Page Views: 1 Entry Page Time: 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47 Browser: Firefox 18.0 OS: MacOSX Resolution: 1280x800 Total Visits: 15 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States IP Address: Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address] Referring URL: (No referring link) Visit Page: things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.netwrote: Sounds like I. On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified: Page Views: 1 Entry Page Time: 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59 Browser: Chrome 25.0 OS: MacOSX Resolution: 1440x900 Total Visits: 11 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States IP Address: Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP Address] Referring URL: (No referring link) Visit Page: things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: I noticed that as well. The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the black sheep of the cell phone flock. --Doug On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.netwrote: After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus and LG Nexus is? The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line and the Nexus line. -- Owen On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: There, fixed that. http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
Oh, and BTW: Pandora on the Nexus 4 via wifi sounds fine. On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: Yep, that's my one remaining complaint, Roger. And my list of phones that can run wifi and bluetooth simultaneously is the following: 1) My previous phone, HTC Thunderbolt, running Android Gingerbread 2.3 Of course, that's the only other Android phone I've owned, so it's a short list. --Doug On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow r...@elf.org wrote: Doug -- So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time? WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio, which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the same time. It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and Bluetooth. My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was able to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle. That worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard. But if you tried to stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth. It was a magnificent attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion, but it didn't make it. There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried to run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems. So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and Bluetooth operated simultaneously with no problems? -- rec -- On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd: Page Views: 1 Entry Page Time: 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47 Browser: Firefox 18.0 OS: MacOSX Resolution: 1280x800 Total Visits: 15 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States IP Address: Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address] Referring URL: (No referring link) Visit Page: things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.netwrote: Sounds like I. On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified: Page Views: 1 Entry Page Time: 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59 Browser: Chrome 25.0 OS: MacOSX Resolution: 1440x900 Total Visits: 11 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States IP Address: Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP Address] Referring URL: (No referring link) Visit Page: things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: I noticed that as well. The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the black sheep of the cell phone flock. --Doug On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.netwrote: After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus and LG Nexus is? The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line and the Nexus line. -- Owen On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: There, fixed that. http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
Sorry for not collecting all my responses up into one email, but I guess that technically, I do have one more complaint about the Nexus 4: battery life is somewhat reduced from having to run the push notifications fixer app to nudge the phone awake every 5 minutes, for those occasions that the buggy Qualcomm wifi driver has temporarily defeated the workaround described here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2072930. On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: Oh, and BTW: Pandora on the Nexus 4 via wifi sounds fine. On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: Yep, that's my one remaining complaint, Roger. And my list of phones that can run wifi and bluetooth simultaneously is the following: 1) My previous phone, HTC Thunderbolt, running Android Gingerbread 2.3 Of course, that's the only other Android phone I've owned, so it's a short list. --Doug On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow r...@elf.org wrote: Doug -- So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time? WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio, which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the same time. It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and Bluetooth. My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was able to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle. That worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard. But if you tried to stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth. It was a magnificent attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion, but it didn't make it. There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried to run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems. So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and Bluetooth operated simultaneously with no problems? -- rec -- On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd: Page Views: 1 Entry Page Time: 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47 Browser: Firefox 18.0 OS: MacOSX Resolution: 1280x800 Total Visits: 15 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States IP Address: Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address] Referring URL: (No referring link) Visit Page: things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.netwrote: Sounds like I. On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified: Page Views: 1 Entry Page Time: 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59 Browser: Chrome 25.0 OS: MacOSX Resolution: 1440x900 Total Visits: 11 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States IP Address: Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP Address] Referring URL: (No referring link) Visit Page: things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: I noticed that as well. The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the black sheep of the cell phone flock. --Doug On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus and LG Nexus is? The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line and the Nexus line. -- Owen On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: There, fixed that. http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net*
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
The Galaxy S3 has been good on wifi with bluetooth listening to Pandora (doing it now). I can't hear the multiplexing you refer to, Roger (though I'm deaf in an ear and tend not to hear high-frequencies well). I am seeing a similar Google non response to a known issue having to do with the Galaxy S3 crashing in Google Maps navigation mode. https://productforums.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/mobile/IlJDfMkgl3U. Very frustrating/dangerous when trying to rely on it in heavy traffic trying to make a meeting or flight :-) Bruce, does navigation mode sometimes crash for you? -S --- -. . ..-. .. ... - .-- --- ..-. .. ... stephen.gue...@redfish.com 1600 Lena St #D1, Santa Fe, NM 87505 office: 505-995-0206 tollfree: 888-414-3855 mobile: 505-577-5828 tw: @redfishgroup skype: redfishgroup redfish.com | simtable.com On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow r...@elf.org wrote: Doug -- So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time? WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio, which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the same time. It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and Bluetooth. My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was able to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle. That worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard. But if you tried to stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth. It was a magnificent attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion, but it didn't make it. There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried to run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems. So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and Bluetooth operated simultaneously with no problems? -- rec -- On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd: Page Views: 1 Entry Page Time: 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47 Browser: Firefox 18.0 OS: MacOSX Resolution: 1280x800 Total Visits: 15 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States IP Address: Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address] Referring URL: (No referring link) Visit Page: things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.netwrote: Sounds like I. On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified: Page Views: 1 Entry Page Time: 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59 Browser: Chrome 25.0 OS: MacOSX Resolution: 1440x900 Total Visits: 11 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States IP Address: Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP Address] Referring URL: (No referring link) Visit Page: things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: I noticed that as well. The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the black sheep of the cell phone flock. --Doug On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.netwrote: After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus and LG Nexus is? The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line and the Nexus line. -- Owen On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: There, fixed that. http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 -
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
Now that I think on it some more, there's really no reason that a radio should not be able to receive and transmit WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time. It's a little trickier than doing one at a time, but the tricks are in the software, or in the DSP hardware part of the radio. There are a whole slew of phones running the same chip as the Nexus 4, listed in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_S4#Snapdragon_S4 in the APQ8064 row. The LG Optimus G runs the same processor as the Nexus 4, but using Android 4.0. The HTC Droid DNA runs the same processor, but using Android 4.1. The Sony Xperia Z will run the same processor, but using Android 4.1. Hmm, you can see how requests to fix Android 4.2 drivers might end up at the end of the queue, assuming that any requests have been made. And I misspoke, the unregulated band is at 2.4 GHz, not 2.1 GHz. -- rec -- FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
Google's whole We're Google, fuck you. attitude is getting a bit old. Not only can we not get them to acknowledge that the bad wifi / bluetooth interaction exists on the Nexus 4, we can't get any info on whether it is a hardware or software issue. --Doug On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Roger Critchlow r...@elf.org wrote: Now that I think on it some more, there's really no reason that a radio should not be able to receive and transmit WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time. It's a little trickier than doing one at a time, but the tricks are in the software, or in the DSP hardware part of the radio. There are a whole slew of phones running the same chip as the Nexus 4, listed in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_S4#Snapdragon_S4 in the APQ8064 row. The LG Optimus G runs the same processor as the Nexus 4, but using Android 4.0. The HTC Droid DNA runs the same processor, but using Android 4.1. The Sony Xperia Z will run the same processor, but using Android 4.1. Hmm, you can see how requests to fix Android 4.2 drivers might end up at the end of the queue, assuming that any requests have been made. And I misspoke, the unregulated band is at 2.4 GHz, not 2.1 GHz. -- rec -- FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
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I only tried navigation mode once, briefly, so I can't really testify to what happens with my ATT Galaxy S3 in that respect. My main beef with Google currently is that despite major complaints, including a person pointing out the dangers to someone as a result of revealing rather publicly with whom they've been hanging out, is that it is still true that Google+ logs your hangouts in your list of activities. Bruce On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Stephen Guerin stephen.gue...@redfish.com wrote: The Galaxy S3 has been good on wifi with bluetooth listening to Pandora (doing it now). I can't hear the multiplexing you refer to, Roger (though I'm deaf in an ear and tend not to hear high-frequencies well). I am seeing a similar Google non response to a known issue having to do with the Galaxy S3 crashing in Google Maps navigation mode. https://productforums.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/mobile/IlJDfMkgl3U. Very frustrating/dangerous when trying to rely on it in heavy traffic trying to make a meeting or flight :-) Bruce, does navigation mode sometimes crash for you? -S --- -. . ..-. .. ... - .-- --- ..-. .. ... stephen.gue...@redfish.com 1600 Lena St #D1, Santa Fe, NM 87505 office: 505-995-0206 tollfree: 888-414-3855 mobile: 505-577-5828 tw: @redfishgroup skype: redfishgroup redfish.com | simtable.com On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow r...@elf.org wrote: Doug -- So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time? WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio, which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the same time. It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and Bluetooth. My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was able to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle. That worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard. But if you tried to stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth. It was a magnificent attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion, but it didn't make it. There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried to run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems. So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and Bluetooth operated simultaneously with no problems? -- rec -- On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd: Page Views: 1 Entry Page Time: 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47 Browser: Firefox 18.0 OS: MacOSX Resolution: 1280x800 Total Visits: 15 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States IP Address: Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address] Referring URL: (No referring link) Visit Page: things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.netwrote: Sounds like I. On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified: Page Views: 1 Entry Page Time: 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59 Browser: Chrome 25.0 OS: MacOSX Resolution: 1440x900 Total Visits: 11 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States IP Address: Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP Address] Referring URL: (No referring link) Visit Page: things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: I noticed that as well. The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the black sheep of the cell phone flock. --Doug On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.netwrote: After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus and LG Nexus is? The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line and the Nexus line. -- Owen On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: There, fixed that. http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
gasp didn't root it to make a beowolf cluster? On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: Yep, that's my one remaining complaint, Roger. And my list of phones that can run wifi and bluetooth simultaneously is the following: 1) My previous phone, HTC Thunderbolt, running Android Gingerbread 2.3 Of course, that's the only other Android phone I've owned, so it's a short list. --Doug On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow r...@elf.org wrote: Doug -- So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time? WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio, which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the same time. It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and Bluetooth. My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was able to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle. That worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard. But if you tried to stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth. It was a magnificent attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion, but it didn't make it. There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried to run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems. So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and Bluetooth operated simultaneously with no problems? -- rec -- On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd: Page Views: 1 Entry Page Time: 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47 Browser: Firefox 18.0 OS: MacOSX Resolution: 1280x800 Total Visits: 15 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States IP Address: Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address] Referring URL: (No referring link) Visit Page: things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.netwrote: Sounds like I. On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified: Page Views: 1 Entry Page Time: 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59 Browser: Chrome 25.0 OS: MacOSX Resolution: 1440x900 Total Visits: 11 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States IP Address: Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP Address] Referring URL: (No referring link) Visit Page: things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: I noticed that as well. The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the black sheep of the cell phone flock. --Doug On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.netwrote: After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus and LG Nexus is? The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line and the Nexus line. -- Owen On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: There, fixed that. http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
That was next on my list, after getting Pandora running over WiFi to my Bluetooth speakers. :) On Feb 23, 2013 5:52 PM, Gillian Densmore gil.densm...@gmail.com wrote: gasp didn't root it to make a beowolf cluster? On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: Yep, that's my one remaining complaint, Roger. And my list of phones that can run wifi and bluetooth simultaneously is the following: 1) My previous phone, HTC Thunderbolt, running Android Gingerbread 2.3 Of course, that's the only other Android phone I've owned, so it's a short list. --Doug On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow r...@elf.org wrote: Doug -- So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time? WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio, which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the same time. It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and Bluetooth. My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was able to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle. That worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard. But if you tried to stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth. It was a magnificent attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion, but it didn't make it. There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried to run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems. So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and Bluetooth operated simultaneously with no problems? -- rec -- On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd: Page Views: 1 Entry Page Time: 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47 Browser: Firefox 18.0 OS: MacOSX Resolution: 1280x800 Total Visits: 15 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States IP Address: Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address] Referring URL: (No referring link) Visit Page: things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.netwrote: Sounds like I. On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified: Page Views: 1 Entry Page Time: 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59 Browser: Chrome 25.0 OS: MacOSX Resolution: 1440x900 Total Visits: 11 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States IP Address: Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP Address] Referring URL: (No referring link) Visit Page: things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: I noticed that as well. The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the black sheep of the cell phone flock. --Doug On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus and LG Nexus is? The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line and the Nexus line. -- Owen On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: There, fixed that. http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile*
Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
So, after bitching about WiFi on the Nexus 4 earlier today, I'm now sitting in the Airport Hyatt in Abq getting 14 Mbps down, and 2 Mbps up with a solid HSPA+ T-Mobile connection, and guess what: everything works. Google is an idiot for not fixing WiFi on this phone. On Feb 23, 2013 6:02 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: That was next on my list, after getting Pandora running over WiFi to my Bluetooth speakers. :) On Feb 23, 2013 5:52 PM, Gillian Densmore gil.densm...@gmail.com wrote: gasp didn't root it to make a beowolf cluster? On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: Yep, that's my one remaining complaint, Roger. And my list of phones that can run wifi and bluetooth simultaneously is the following: 1) My previous phone, HTC Thunderbolt, running Android Gingerbread 2.3 Of course, that's the only other Android phone I've owned, so it's a short list. --Doug On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow r...@elf.org wrote: Doug -- So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time? WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio, which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the same time. It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and Bluetooth. My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was able to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle. That worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard. But if you tried to stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth. It was a magnificent attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion, but it didn't make it. There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried to run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems. So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and Bluetooth operated simultaneously with no problems? -- rec -- On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd: Page Views: 1 Entry Page Time: 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47 Browser: Firefox 18.0 OS: MacOSX Resolution: 1280x800 Total Visits: 15 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States IP Address: Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address] Referring URL: (No referring link) Visit Page: things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.netwrote: Sounds like I. On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified: Page Views: 1 Entry Page Time: 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59 Browser: Chrome 25.0 OS: MacOSX Resolution: 1440x900 Total Visits: 11 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States IP Address: Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP Address] Referring URL: (No referring link) Visit Page: things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: I noticed that as well. The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the black sheep of the cell phone flock. --Doug On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus and LG Nexus is? The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line and the Nexus line. -- Owen On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: There, fixed that. http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net*
