CVS uwp fvwm-web: Added link to fvwm forum, removed link to wiki since it does not seem to work.

2004-11-08 Thread FVWM CVS
CVSROOT:/home/cvs/fvwm
Module name:fvwm-web
Changes by: uwp 04/11/08 06:01:13

Modified files:
.  : ChangeLog index.php links.php 

Log message:
Added link to fvwm forum, removed link to wiki since it does not seem to work.

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[Fwd] Creation of an Fvwm Forum

2004-11-08 Thread Uwe Pross
Hi there,

Please find below a mail from the creator of a fvwm
forum. I have added a link to the fvwm homepage.

Have fun, Uwe

- Forwarded message from Bert Geens [EMAIL PROTECTED] -

From: Bert Geens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:07:21 +0100
Subject: Creation of an Fvwm Forum
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Dear mister Pross,

I don't really know how to start this off, so I'll just plunge into it
straight away: I have started a forum (or Bulletin Board if you prefer)
for Fvwm. I had a couple of reasons for doing this, which I'll detail
below, which you can skip if you think I'm ranting too much (my
apoligies if I am).


Well, the first and most obvious reason is that there was no Fvwm Forum
before I started this project, but that doesn't say why we'd need one
anyway, the Fvwm community has lots of other ways of communicating:
there's the mailinglists, the wiki and the IRC channel, so why would we
need a forum? I'll start with comparing the advantages of forums to each
of the above mentioned forms of communication.

A Wiki is a great way to generate community driven up-to-date
communication, but it obviously lacks any real communication between the
participants themselves, further a Wiki provides answers and doesn't
allow for user questions.

I'm no big fan of mailinglists, they lack every decent form of layout in
their messages and their searchability is about nonexistant.

If we're talking about IRC we can just forget about searching, unless
you want to search through 2Mb of IRC logs just to find that answer you
heard someday to the problem you think you have today.

So I think forums have the following qualities:
 - they are easily searchable
 - they maintain community interaction while at the same time allowing
for the building of some sort of a knowledge base, script/function
resource, or just by being a FAQ on it's own.
 - they have a nice and easily usable layout.


So I wondered if it would be possible to add a link to the forum from
the main Fvwm site, the url is http://fvwm.lair.be .

I'd be most grateful if you could help with this, I see this as my
chance to do something back for the community that has helped me a lot
already. Please don't hesistate to contact me me about any questions,
suggestions or remarks you might have at this point.

With kind regards,

Bert Geens

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Fvwm Wiki seems to be down

2004-11-08 Thread Uwe Pross
Hi there,

The URL to the Fvwm Wiki (http://rvb.dyndns.org/FvwmWiki/)
results in a 404 error. I have (temporarily) removed the
links to this page from the fvwm homepage. Please sent a
mail to fvwm-workers when this site is working again.

Cheers, Uwe
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CVS uwp fvwm-web: Changed wiki link

2004-11-08 Thread FVWM CVS
CVSROOT:/home/cvs/fvwm
Module name:fvwm-web
Changes by: uwp 04/11/08 09:47:16

Modified files:
.  : ChangeLog index.php links.php 

Log message:
Changed wiki link

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Re: Fvwm Wiki seems to be down

2004-11-08 Thread Uwe Pross
Hi there,

On 08 Nov 2004 at 15:19:50 +, Thomas Adam wrote:

 That's because it is now in active development here:
 
 http://www.fvwmwiki.org

Good to know. I have updated the links on the fvwm
homepage.

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Re: FVWM: Matching windows with * in it's name

2004-11-08 Thread Rafal Bisingier
On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 08:42:28PM +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote:
 On 06 Nov 2004 15:00:12 +0100, Rafal Bisingier wrote:
  
  On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 01:33:11PM +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote:
   The first step (that you can do) is to handle the specified doubled chars
   as escaped char rather than meta-chars in conditions. And implement one
   filter pattern that quotes variables in order to be used in commands
   that require patterns. I.e. Next ($[w.name:pattern], !Iconified) ...
  
  Ok, so I've done it. Conditional commands now understand doubled '*',
  '?' and '|' as escaped chars.
  I've made also $[w.name:pattern] filter.
 
 Hmm, you didn't do what I meant. :)
 
 I meant a filter that may be applied to any variable, i.e.
 
   $[w.iconname:pattern]
   $[HOME:pattern]
 
 This escapes all special chars like * to be suitable for conditions.

Well, look's like I haven't understood you indeed.
And even worse: to get what you've said, much bigger change than I thought is
needed... :-(

In the meantime I've found a problem with this double char escaping
algoritm. If we use '**' to get literal match for '*' and '*' to match
any string, then there is no posibility to match strings like:
'One*', 'Two*', 'Three*' with a wildcard pattern.
So I've thought that we should change escaping character to some
non-special one (eg. '\'), and use '\*' for literal '*' match, and of
course '\\' for '\'. I know this will add new special character, but I
don't see any other solution.

   If you are at it, you may implement other suggested filters, but please
   test this thoroufully if you do it.
  
  I've tested it, and don't see any problems with it.
 
 I didn't see the whole code, just the diff, but it seems that your
 $[w.name:pattern] is done incorrectly. IIRC, there should be 2 parts, one
 that estimates the resulting string length and one that generates the
 expanded string content. You should not really allocate the string space
 yourself.

The code for variable expanding is a little strange. There are 2
functions. One for simple variables (like n), and one expanding extended
variables (like w.name). First function calls second two times:
- first it only check output length, and allocates memmory for it
- at the second call it actually copy output to the allocated memory.
That's why I decided to use 'static char*' buffer.
Nevertheless it's not needed there, because we should do filtering in
another function. ;-)

 For the pattern filter you may double the string length as an
 estimation. But there is no support for filters yet, it should be added.

 Possible filters would be:
 
   $[VAR] - expanded to: 'My %^* window'
   $[VAR:dquote]  - expanded to: My %^* window
   $[VAR:noquote] - expanded to: My %^* window
   $[VAR:pattern] - expanded to: 'My %^** window'
   $[VAR:menu]- expanded to: 'My %%^* window'

So now I see filter support have to be added first. ;-)

It'll be good to implement also the proposed syntax for selecting window
exclusivly by it's class, resource, icon name or title, but I'm not
sure if I have enough skill to do it.
And there's still a problem with backward compatibility of this new
syntax. Can we just leave existing syntax as is, and add only the new
options? I know it can break backward compatibility in some (I think
rare) cases when one want to select window named for ex: Name or
Resource, but in this cases there will always be posibility to use the
new option AnyName.
   
   I don't think that Name/IconName/Class/Resource/AnyName should be
   done before 2.6.
  
  I suspected you'll say that. I don't think I can do anything to change
  this, so maybe from the other side: what is needed to release 2.6? ;-)
 
 Testing, testing and fixing bugs in the bug system and todo-2.6.

If using current fvwm can be treated as testing, then I do that every
day... ;-)
For fixing bugs - I'm afraid my programming skills are insufficient. :-(

  I'd realy like to see this Name/IconName/Class/Resource/AnyName syntax.
 
 I want to see it too. But I want to see 2.6 even stronger.

:-)

 I will support inclusion of the patch for these condition options if
 his authors also does something from todo-2.6.

I understand, and try to do something to speed up 2.6 release... ;-)

-- 
Rafal Bisingier


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Re: Fvwm Wiki seems to be down

2004-11-08 Thread Thomas Adam
On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 04:48:53PM +0100, Uwe Pross wrote:
 Good to know. I have updated the links on the fvwm homepage.

While you're on the topic of updating links, I noticed that the page
referenced to Glen Lee Edwards is dead. Some gooling revealed his page
to now be here:

http://research.cmis.csiro.au/gjw/xwindows/

I quite like this page -- he has to be the only user of Fvwm to make use
of all ten buttons on the title bar. :) Very colourful.

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CVS uwp fvwm-web: Changed link to Glen

2004-11-08 Thread FVWM CVS
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Module name:fvwm-web
Changes by: uwp 04/11/08 10:26:30

Modified files:
.  : ChangeLog links.php 

Log message:
Changed link to Glen

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Re: Fvwm Wiki seems to be down

2004-11-08 Thread Uwe Pross
Hi there,

On 08 Nov 2004 at 16:11:15 +, Thomas Adam wrote:

 While you're on the topic of updating links, I noticed
 that the page referenced to Glen Lee Edwards is dead.
 Some gooling revealed his page to now be here:
 
 http://research.cmis.csiro.au/gjw/xwindows/

Thanks for the hint. I have changed the link.

Cheers, Uwe
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