Re: http://fvwm.org
Hi there, On 22 Sep 2005 at 15:29:21 -0400, Demitrios Athens wrote: The screenshots/vectorbuttons page of the FVWM web site contains duplicate and erroneous information. Thank you. The vectorbuttons on the page were generated by a script and not checked very carefully. I'll fix that soon. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise your mail is discarded by a filter. =---= http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwpp
Man page mistake
Hi there, In the fvwm man page is (IMO) a small mistake: AddToFunc MakeMissingDirectoryMenu + I Exec fvwm_make_directory_menu.sh $0 The script fvwm_make_directory_menu.sh writes to stdout so it should be: AddToFunc MakeMissingDirectoryMenu + I PipeRead fvwm_make_directory_menu.sh $0 Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise your mail is discarded by a filter. =---= http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Patch Color-Colorset-problem in FvwmScript
Hi there,
I wrote a small and very very straight forward patch for
FvwmScript module so that a previously (or higher) given
colorset is not overwritten by a color definition. Take a
look at the attached script and both screenshots.
I know the patch is not very nice and leads to unnecessary
memory consumtion. Maybe someone can make better ;-) I see
it as a prov-of-concept.
Cheers, Uwe
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? patch.FvwmScript
Index: FvwmScript.c
===
RCS file: /home/cvs/fvwm/fvwm/modules/FvwmScript/FvwmScript.c,v
retrieving revision 1.71
diff -u -r1.71 FvwmScript.c
--- FvwmScript.c7 Jun 2004 13:53:50 - 1.71
+++ FvwmScript.c5 Feb 2005 12:35:20 -
@@ -529,12 +529,31 @@
}
}
+char* CreateColorString(Pixel pixel) {
+char tmp[128];
+XColor color;
+color.pixel=pixel;
+color.red=0;
+color.green=0;
+color.blue=0;
+XQueryColor(dpy, Pcmap, color);
+sprintf(tmp, #%02x%02x%02x, (color.red8)0xff, (color.green8)0xff,
(color.blue8)0xff);
+return safestrdup(tmp);
+}
/* Construction de l'interface graphique */
void BuildGUI(int IsFather)
{
int i;
+ /* Inherit color values from colorset */
+ if (scriptprop-colorset != -1) {
+x11base-backcolor=CreateColorString(Colorset[scriptprop-colorset].bg);
+x11base-forecolor=CreateColorString(Colorset[scriptprop-colorset].fg);
+
x11base-hilicolor=CreateColorString(Colorset[scriptprop-colorset].hilite);
+
x11base-shadcolor=CreateColorString(Colorset[scriptprop-colorset].shadow);
+ }
+
if (scriptprop-font != NULL)
{
/* leak! */
#-*-shell-script-*-
#-
#- File : cable_modem.FvwmScript
#- Date : Mon May 3 20:52:04 2004
#- Author: Uwe Pross
#-
WindowTitle {CableModemFvwmScript}
# This option sets the window title.
WindowSize 60 40
# This option sets window size. width and height are numerical value.
# WindowPosition x y
# This option sets window position. x and y are numerical value.
# ForeColor {color}
# This option sets the default foreground color for all widgets.
# BackColor $[bg.cs1]
# This option sets the default background color for all widgets.
# HilightColor {color}
# This option sets the default hilight color for all widgets.
# ShadowColor {color}
# This option sets the default shadow color for all widgets.
Colorset 10
# This option sets the default colorset for all widgets.
Font -*-fixed-medium-*-*-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
# Font $[DEFAULT_FONT]
# This option sets the default font color for all widgets.
# UseGettext [locale_path]
# Enable the use of the gettext mechanism which is used by the
# WindowLocaleTitle, LocaleTitle, ChangeLocaleTitle instructions and the
# Gettext function. If no argument is given, the default FvwmScript
# locale catalog is used. This catalog is under the locale fvwm
# installation direc- tory and the text domain is FvwmScript
# (install_prefix/share/locale/*/LC_MESSAGES/FvwmScript.mo). You can
# reset this catalog or add some catalogs exactly in the same way than
# with the LocalePath fvwm command (see the fvwm manual page). This
# instruction should be placed before the WindowLocaleTitle instruction.
# WindowLocaleTitle string
# This option sets the window title, but use the locale catalog(s) defined with
UseGettext.
#-
# INITIALISATION
# This part contains instructions which will be executed at the startup.
Init
Begin
Set $interval = 1
End
#-
# PERIODIC TASKS
# This part of the script contains instructions that are periodicly.
PeriodicTasks
Begin
If (RemainderOfDiv (GetTime) $interval)==0 Then
Begin
# show that we are dooing something
ChangeValue 3 1
If $interval 1000 Then
Begin
Set $interval = (Mult $interval 2)
End
Set $ip = (GetOutput {/sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep 'inet addr:' | sed
's/.*inet addr:\([0-9\.][0-9\.]*\).*/\1/'} 1 -1)
ChangeTitle 5 $ip
If $ip=={} Then
Begin
# cable modem is not connected
ChangeValue 2 0
ChangeValue 3 0
ChangeValue 4 1
End
Else
Begin
# cable modem is connected
ChangeValue 2 1
ChangeValue 3 0
ChangeValue 4 0
End
End
End
#-
# Widgets
Re: Patch Color-Colorset-problem in FvwmScript
Hi there,
On 05 Feb 2005 at 13:51:26 +0100, Uwe Pross wrote:
I wrote a small and very very straight forward patch for
FvwmScript module so that a previously (or higher) given
colorset is not overwritten by a color definition. Take a
look at the attached script and both screenshots.
For the moment I use
PipeRead echo SetEnv FvwmScriptBg `echo $[bg.cs1] | sed
's/rgb:/#/;s+../++g;s+..$++'`
PipeRead echo SetEnv FvwmScriptFg `echo $[fg.cs1] | sed
's/rgb:/#/;s+../++g;s+..$++'`
PipeRead echo SetEnv FvwmScriptSh `echo $[shadow.cs1] | sed
's/rgb:/#/;s+../++g;s+..$++'`
PipeRead echo SetEnv FvwmScriptHi `echo $[hilight.cs1] | sed
's/rgb:/#/;s+../++g;s+..$++'`
*FvwmScript: DefaultFore$[FvwmScriptFg]
*FvwmScript: DefaultBack$[FvwmScriptBg]
*FvwmScript: DefaultHilight $[FvwmScriptHi]
*FvwmScript: DefaultShadow $[FvwmScriptSh]
which gives the same result ;-) Both the patch and the
workaround do not work if not plain colorsets are used.
Colorset support seems to be very limited in FvwmScript.
Using
Colorset 10 fg $[fg.cs1], bg $[bg.cs1], HGradient 128 red yellow
and the attached script one gets the attached screenshot
(which is quite ugly).
Cheers, Uwe
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FvwmScript_Colorset.gif
Description: GIF image
#-*-shell-script-*-
#-
#- File : cable_modem.FvwmScript
#- Date : Mon May 3 20:52:04 2004
#- Author: Uwe Pross
#-
WindowTitle {CableModemFvwmScript}
# This option sets the window title.
WindowSize 60 40
# This option sets window size. width and height are numerical value.
# WindowPosition x y
# This option sets window position. x and y are numerical value.
# ForeColor {color}
# This option sets the default foreground color for all widgets.
# BackColor $[bg.cs1]
# This option sets the default background color for all widgets.
# HilightColor {color}
# This option sets the default hilight color for all widgets.
# ShadowColor {color}
# This option sets the default shadow color for all widgets.
Colorset 10
# This option sets the default colorset for all widgets.
Font -*-fixed-medium-*-*-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
# Font $[DEFAULT_FONT]
# This option sets the default font color for all widgets.
# UseGettext [locale_path]
# Enable the use of the gettext mechanism which is used by the
# WindowLocaleTitle, LocaleTitle, ChangeLocaleTitle instructions and the
# Gettext function. If no argument is given, the default FvwmScript
# locale catalog is used. This catalog is under the locale fvwm
# installation direc- tory and the text domain is FvwmScript
# (install_prefix/share/locale/*/LC_MESSAGES/FvwmScript.mo). You can
# reset this catalog or add some catalogs exactly in the same way than
# with the LocalePath fvwm command (see the fvwm manual page). This
# instruction should be placed before the WindowLocaleTitle instruction.
# WindowLocaleTitle string
# This option sets the window title, but use the locale catalog(s) defined with
UseGettext.
#-
# INITIALISATION
# This part contains instructions which will be executed at the startup.
Init
Begin
Set $interval = 1
End
#-
# PERIODIC TASKS
# This part of the script contains instructions that are periodicly.
PeriodicTasks
Begin
If (RemainderOfDiv (GetTime) $interval)==0 Then
Begin
# show that we are dooing something
ChangeValue 3 1
If $interval 1000 Then
Begin
Set $interval = (Mult $interval 2)
End
Set $ip = (GetOutput {/sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep 'inet addr:' | sed
's/.*inet addr:\([0-9\.][0-9\.]*\).*/\1/'} 1 -1)
ChangeTitle 5 $ip
If $ip=={} Then
Begin
# cable modem is not connected
ChangeValue 2 0
ChangeValue 3 0
ChangeValue 4 1
End
Else
Begin
# cable modem is connected
ChangeValue 2 1
ChangeValue 3 0
ChangeValue 4 0
End
End
End
#-
# Widgets
#-
# Title string
Widget 1
Property
Size 60 10
Type ItemDraw
Title {Internet}
Position 0 0
Flags NoReliefString Center
Main
Case message of
SingleClic :
Begin
End
End
Widget 2
Property
Type RadioButton
# Title {On}
ForeColor {green1}
Position 5 15
Flags NoReliefString Left
Main
Re: PATCH: if-elsif-else-endif syntax (v2.0)
Hi there, On 29 Jan 2005 at 14:26:03 +1100, Scott Smedley wrote: Further examples are available at: http://users.tpg.com.au/users/scottie7/tmp/config.if ... Any comments/criticism most welcome. Sorry Scott for the delay. A couple of days ago I had some problems accessing http://users.tpg.com.au. IMO the syntax and usage is quite intuitive. Sure one could do most statements using piperead but if-then-else is to me much more readable and self-explanatory. I would mostly use it for statemente like AddToMenu my_menu if ! ShellCmd /opt/myprogram + My Program menu Menu my_program_menu endif This should be possible.? Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise your mail is discarded by a filter. =---= http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FVWM website error
Hi there, On 06 Dec 2004 at 22:53:52 +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: On 06 Dec 2004 16:54:54 -0500, David Mandelberg wrote: There's a major error on fvwm.sourceforge.net: This is an automatically updated mirror. Please use the original site at http://fvwm.org/ until this error is fixed. (There is an indication that this is a mirror at the botton, but it is not shown because of the error.) Fatal error: Cannot redeclare my_get_global() in /var/local/home/groups/f/fv/fvwm/htdocs/definitions.inc /on line 50 Thanks for the hint. It seems to me that this was caused by different php versions. On fvwm.sourceforge.net php 4.3.9 is installed while fvwm.org and my servers use version 4.3.8. Maybe this broke the construct which avoided double loading of the definition file. I use now the new php4 construct include_once in all files to avoid double loading of the definiton file. This should work on all php4 or higher versions. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise your mail is discarded by a filter. =---= http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Fwd] Creation of an Fvwm Forum
Hi there, Please find below a mail from the creator of a fvwm forum. I have added a link to the fvwm homepage. Have fun, Uwe - Forwarded message from Bert Geens [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Bert Geens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:07:21 +0100 Subject: Creation of an Fvwm Forum X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) Dear mister Pross, I don't really know how to start this off, so I'll just plunge into it straight away: I have started a forum (or Bulletin Board if you prefer) for Fvwm. I had a couple of reasons for doing this, which I'll detail below, which you can skip if you think I'm ranting too much (my apoligies if I am). Well, the first and most obvious reason is that there was no Fvwm Forum before I started this project, but that doesn't say why we'd need one anyway, the Fvwm community has lots of other ways of communicating: there's the mailinglists, the wiki and the IRC channel, so why would we need a forum? I'll start with comparing the advantages of forums to each of the above mentioned forms of communication. A Wiki is a great way to generate community driven up-to-date communication, but it obviously lacks any real communication between the participants themselves, further a Wiki provides answers and doesn't allow for user questions. I'm no big fan of mailinglists, they lack every decent form of layout in their messages and their searchability is about nonexistant. If we're talking about IRC we can just forget about searching, unless you want to search through 2Mb of IRC logs just to find that answer you heard someday to the problem you think you have today. So I think forums have the following qualities: - they are easily searchable - they maintain community interaction while at the same time allowing for the building of some sort of a knowledge base, script/function resource, or just by being a FAQ on it's own. - they have a nice and easily usable layout. So I wondered if it would be possible to add a link to the forum from the main Fvwm site, the url is http://fvwm.lair.be . I'd be most grateful if you could help with this, I see this as my chance to do something back for the community that has helped me a lot already. Please don't hesistate to contact me me about any questions, suggestions or remarks you might have at this point. With kind regards, Bert Geens - End forwarded message - -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise your mail is discarded by a filter. =---= http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fvwm Wiki seems to be down
Hi there, The URL to the Fvwm Wiki (http://rvb.dyndns.org/FvwmWiki/) results in a 404 error. I have (temporarily) removed the links to this page from the fvwm homepage. Please sent a mail to fvwm-workers when this site is working again. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise your mail is discarded by a filter. =---= http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fvwm Wiki seems to be down
Hi there, On 08 Nov 2004 at 15:19:50 +, Thomas Adam wrote: That's because it is now in active development here: http://www.fvwmwiki.org Good to know. I have updated the links on the fvwm homepage. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise your mail is discarded by a filter. =---= http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fvwm Wiki seems to be down
Hi there, On 08 Nov 2004 at 16:11:15 +, Thomas Adam wrote: While you're on the topic of updating links, I noticed that the page referenced to Glen Lee Edwards is dead. Some gooling revealed his page to now be here: http://research.cmis.csiro.au/gjw/xwindows/ Thanks for the hint. I have changed the link. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise your mail is discarded by a filter. =---= http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fvwm.org link
Hi there, On 12 Aug 2004 at 13:27:12 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 11:31:11AM +0400, Andrew Dolgov wrote: I've updated my FVWM scripts page (the scripts which were used for screenshot on fvwm.org) -- I dunno, maybe it would be worth including in the links section on the official FVWM site? :) URL: http://ayukawa.spb.ru/~fox/fvwm/ Actually, I'm not maintaining the web site, but perhaps one of the others can add the link. Your link has been added to http://www.fvwm.org/links.php Nice shots and window decorations! It would be nice if you could make some of the window decorations as a package together with some screenshots so that we can add them to the window decoration page: http://www.fvwm.org/screenshots/windowdecors/ The package should be extracted to ~/.fvwm/windowdecors and useable as easy as possible. Cheers, Uwe -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Web server error logs
Quoting Jason L Tibbitts III [EMAIL PROTECTED]: www.fvwm.org's error log grows by about 2GB a week lately; this is almost exclusively due to Undefined index or Undefined variable PHP warnings. The server is running Apache 2.0.50/PHP 4.3.8. Here's a selection: I have turned on warning logging on my local box and changed the php code so that it does not produce warnings anymore (at least on my box). Jason, could you please check the log files in the next days/weeks and tell me if there are still warnings or errors? Is there a way that I can access the log file? Cheers, Uwe -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Web server error logs
Hi there,
On 08 Aug 2004 at 19:47:44 -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
www.fvwm.org's error log grows by about 2GB a week
lately; this is almost exclusively due to Undefined
index or Undefined variable PHP warnings. The server
is running Apache 2.0.50/PHP 4.3.8. Here's a selection:
Undefined variable: navigation_check in
/local/www/fvwm/documentation/index.php on line 14
I am going to check this on my box. Maybe we should
turn off warnings. I used a lot of tests like
if($navigation_check) {
...
}
I think most warnings come from these contructs. I have
a look if there is another way to avoid these warnings.
Cheers, Uwe
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Re: CVS uwp fvwm-web: fixed navigation on first top page
Quoting FVWM CVS fvwm-workers@fvwm.org: Modified files: ... It seems that the automatic update of the web page failed. The updates I did on July 25 and 26 are not visible on the homepage. Regards, Uwe -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CVS domivogt fvwm-web: * Corrected a typo.
Quoting FVWM CVS fvwm-workers@fvwm.org: Modified files: web-theme/classes: pager_on_top_class.inc Log message: * Corrected a typo. It's always astonishing to see how long such major typos live ;-) Cheers, Uwe -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Homepage cleaning
Hi, The desktop screenshot page is growing and growing. Some of them are quite old. To save a bit space and keep the pages actual we may remove some of the old shots. Any thoughts or suggestions? I also plan to remove the birthday stuff from the homepage soon. Further I would like to add a window decoration screenshot page which replaces the current one. On the page _complete_ window decoration setups with button descriptions, pixmaps, mouse bindings and menus should be provided. The idea is to provide small packages which are useable without or only with minor changes (Actually just a Read from fvwmrc should be enough). (According to last discussions we should also provide useable fvwmrcs which show a the features of fvwm.) Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive your mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sample menu
Hi there, On 28 Jan 2004 at 16:56:41 +0100, Petou wrote: joined a sample menu Could you please provide the configuration for this menu style? It would be nice if we can put it on the web site as well. Please provide pixmaps as well if you use some special ones. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive your mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: disallow posting for non-members?
Quoting Dominik Vogt fvwm-workers@fvwm.org: It is sad that I have to ask. What do you think about allowing only members to post on the fvwm mailing lists in the future? The amount of spam has got out of control. How about asking posters to put a keyword in the subject line? Mails could be filtered easily. For spammers it will be to much work to send special mails to different addresses. Cheers, Uwe -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Menu Screenshot
Hi there, On 22 Jan 2004 at 15:24:59 +, Tavis Ormandy wrote: If you are planning on changing the pages, I have making beautiful looking Icons with fvwm down to a fine art..I have impressed a lot of people (and made a few fvwm converts) with this little hack :) Would you be interested in showing this on the website? Here's a little demo: http://taviso.decsystem.org/files/icons_demo.png Wow, the icons on the left side look great! Are they generated automatically - do they change if the window contents changes? If so could you share your setup? It would be great to have icons which offer a preview of the windows contents ;-) Do you want this screenshot appear on the fvwm screenshot page? Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive your mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Menu Screenshot
Hi there, On 24 Jan 2004 at 15:21:45 +, Tavis Ormandy wrote: They are generated automatically, the icons are little screenshots of the windows before they were iconified, pretty simple to do with the new WindowStyle command, but they look really cool :) I have to check this out. At the first look it seems to me that it would take a while if window is iconified. sure, I have it online here http://dev.gentoo.org/~taviso/fvwm2rc.html Do you want this screenshot appear on the fvwm screenshot page? Sure! :) I have added your shot to the fvwm screenshot list. I converted it to a high quality jpg since the png's size was bit too large ;-). I have also added your fvwm2rc to this list. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive your mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Menu Screenshot
Hi there, On 19 Jan 2004 at 22:40:52 +, Tavis Ormandy wrote: There only seems to be two examples on the menu screenshots section of the website, so I thought I'd contribute one of mine :) http://taviso.decsystem.org/files/menu_screenshot.png http://taviso.decsystem.org/files/fvwm2rc_menus Thanks - Really great menu style. I am going to rework the menu screenshot page (and the window decoration page) soon. Then I will add your menu screenshot. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive your mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Menu Screenshot
Hi there, On 20 Jan 2004 at 10:57:43 +1100, Scott Smedley wrote: Yeah, the ones on the web site look pretty ... ordinary. Yes :-\ I offered screenshots of my menus a while back: http://users.tpg.com.au/users/scottie7/fvwmmenus.html but noone seemed interested. Sorry, I must have missed this one. I am going to add some of your shot soon. Could you please provide a configuration for the menus as well? It would be nice if other users who like your menu style can see how this can be achieved. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive your mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Beep when opening menus
Hi there, On 17 Jan 2004 at 00:36:43 +0100, Olivier Chapuis wrote: If you use my version of FVWM you never get these beeps (and the function will be executed). But, for some reasons dominik does not want that your setup work. The last thread on this subject start here: ven 07 nov Olivier Chapuis Re: FVWM: gkrellm and FVWM v2.5.8 Yes, it describes the same I meant. on the fvwm workers list (there was an other thread on this subject during the summer). I attach a patch (small) against the current cvs which always execute totally immediate function. I have been running 2.5.7. at work for a while and want to stay at this version since other users use this installation as well - So I don't want to change for compatibility reasons. I do not understand what you want to do with your FvwmEvent, but you can apply the patch and see if it causes problem (when you use your transient FvwmWinList or FrameMaker). I use FvwmEvent to remember the focused window on the current page. For the focused window FvwmEvent sets windowstate 2. When I move to another page, move the pointer and come back to a page I was before the last focused window gets the focus again. Since this does not work for all cases. I am not to unhappy if I have to disable this function. However, since this seems to be a general problem and you have a solution to it, it should be considered to apply this patch to avoid this problems in later versions. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive your mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Beep when opening menus
Hi there,
A couple of weeks ago I reported an nerving beep when
opening FvwmWindowList or menus of some programs. In the
last days I used FrameMaker which shows this behaviour quite
often when a submenu is opened and closed. I added some
debug statement to 2.5.7 to see where the beep comes from.
It says that the beep comes from functions.c [987]:
/* we have to grab buttons before executing immediate actions because
* these actions can move the window away from the pointer so that a
* button release would go to the application below. */
if (!GrabEm(CRS_NONE, GRAB_NORMAL))
{
func-use_depth--;
fprintf(stderr,*** FVWM Bell: %s line %d ***\n, __FILE__,
__LINE__);
cf_cleanup(depth, arguments);
return;
}
I have no idea what this code does. The beep in conjuntion
with FvwmWindowList comes from the same source.
Cheers, Uwe
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Re: Beep when opening menus
Hi there, On 16 Jan 2004 at 13:13:34 +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: The code grabs the pointer before executing any complex function. As it fails, another application must have already grabbed the pointer. Is it essential to grab the pointer before starting the menu as it may otherwise not get the button release event which is important for menu operation. Okay. Is there a way to find out which application has grabbed the pointer? Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive your mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Beep when opening menus
Hi there, On 16 Jan 2004 at 13:52:17 +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: Okay. Is there a way to find out which application has grabbed the pointer? Perhaps if you describe exactly what you are doing. Nothing special I guess: Fvwm is running. A couple of applications have been started. I do a middle click on the root window which is defined as: Mouse 2 R A Module FvwmWinList -transient Mouse 2 A 4 Module FvwmWinList -transient (http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/Ablage/beep.jpg) When FvwmWinList is opened I wait for 2 seconds while moving the mouse pointer up and down over FvwmWinList until 2 beeps occur. The problem does not occur if I run fvwm with an empty config. If I find the time I could try to find out which parts of my config causes this problem. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive your mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Beep when opening menus
Hi there, On 16 Jan 2004 at 15:20:35 +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: Um, it's FvwmWinList of course. It grabs the pointer when run in transient mode, forcing you to close it before you can continue working on the desktop. The -transient option is meant to be used this way: 1. Click to open FvwmWinList. 2. Drag pointer to item you want to activate. 3. Select entry by releasing the mouse. 4: FvwmWinList closes and releases the pointer. FvwmWinList opens when I release the mouse pointer. When I keep the mouse button pressed a little clock apears after a while but not FvwmWinList. You probably have soething running that sends commands to fvwm while the pointer is grabbed. Maybe FvwmWinList should grab the whole X server. Could it be that this is caused by FvwmEvent? After disabling it the the prob seems to be gone. Here is my setup: #- # Events #- DestroyFunc CurrentPageFocusFunc AddToFunc CurrentPageFocusFunc I Next (CurrentPage State 2) Focus NoWarp + I None (CurrentPage Focused) Prev (CurrentPage !Iconified !Sticky) Focus NoWarp DestroyFunc CurrentDeskFocusFunc AddToFunc CurrentDeskFocusFunc + I Current FlipFocus DestroyFunc MarkWindowAsActiveFunc AddToFunc MarkWindowAsActiveFunc I Current (!Iconified) All (CurrentPage !Focused) State 2 False + I Current (!Iconified) State 2 True DestroyModuleConfig FvwmEvent* *FvwmEvent: Cmd Function *FvwmEvent: new_page CurrentPageFocusFunc *FvwmEvent: new_desk CurrentDeskFocusFunc *FvwmEvent: destroy_window CurrentPageFocusFunc *FvwmEvent: focus_change MarkWindowAsActiveFunc Any suspicions? Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive your mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Beep when opening menus
Hi there, On 16 Jan 2004 at 14:58:58 +0100, Olivier Chapuis wrote: Use fprintf(stderr,*** FVWM Bell: Abort function %s\n, action); I got: *** FVWM Bell: functions.c line 987 [MarkWindowAsActiveFunc] *** which comes from FvwmEvent. So I guess it is my fault :-\ DestroyFunc MarkWindowAsActiveFunc AddToFunc MarkWindowAsActiveFunc I Current (!Iconified) All (CurrentPage !Focused) State 2 False + I Current (!Iconified) State 2 True DestroyModuleConfig FvwmEvent* *FvwmEvent: Cmd Function *FvwmEvent: focus_change MarkWindowAsActiveFunc I disable it for now. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive your mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Converting the winning logo to appropriate formats
Hi there, On 07 Jan 2004 at 10:21:44 +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: I would like to ask you to convert it to some useful formats: * make the logo variant that is colorful by applying some nice texture * make the logo variant that is transparent * make the logo variant sutable for FvwmBanner (no white background) * make the logo variant looking well on the dark background * make the logo variant sutable for the side image in menus Felix, could you please send to us the logo in a (linux-compatible) vector format so that we can play around with it? I would like to create a version for the web page and also provide some versions for download on the web page. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive your mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Second stage logo voting rules?
Quoting Mikhael Goikhman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Since we had a large number of logos in the first stage (108), I would allow any logo that passed the 10% barrier to participate in the second stage (i.e. 28 logos, about 1/4 of all). - The same people who were allowed to vote in the first stage are allowed in the second stage. - Everybody may vote for each logo separately, but unlike the first stage rules there is no minimum number of votes. I made a preview version of the voting page at http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/fvwm-web/logo-competition/logos/voting/index.php The voting id is remains the same as last time. If you think this is okay I make a few test and generate the mails to the voters. Dominik: I did not enlarge the pictures since the page became to big. Cheers, Uwe -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: getting logo voting started
Hi there, On 10 Oct 2003 at 11:06:49 +0200, Uwe Pross wrote: To get the voting finally started, I suggest the following voting process that tries to take all the concerns into account. Unless one of the people with commit access voices a veto, I want to begin the election within one week. I am quite busy at the moment. So I would like to start the voting on 15. October. I would like to finish the voting sites and start voting as soon as possible. - Anybody may vote if he or she: - submitted a logo - was subscribed to the fvwm or fvwm-workers mailing list prior to 10-Oct-2003 (regardless of whether he/she is still subscribed). [to prevent cheating] This is a good idea. How will we check if someone is subscribed? Do we have access to the subscriber list? Has anyone a solution for this? Jason, can the lists of subscribed users accessed somehow? If I had the email addresses I could generate an id for each address and sent them to the user. Cheers, Uwe -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: getting logo voting started
Hi there, On 10 Oct 2003 at 10:28:56 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: To get the voting finally started, I suggest the following voting process that tries to take all the concerns into account. Unless one of the people with commit access voices a veto, I want to begin the election within one week. I am quite busy at the moment. So I would like to start the voting on 15. October. - Anybody may vote if he or she: - submitted a logo - was subscribed to the fvwm or fvwm-workers mailing list prior to 10-Oct-2003 (regardless of whether he/she is still subscribed). [to prevent cheating] This is a good idea. How will we check if someone is subscribed? Do we have access to the subscriber list? - The election is done in two stages [one stage would be better, but I think we would get too few votes per logo on average] - During the election, no results are published and the logo mailing list is closed for all but the contest maintainers. - In the first stage: - Any number of votes may be cast, but at least 10. [to get enough votes in total] - The voting period is two weeks. - Second stage: - The winning 15 logos of the first stage reach the second stage. - Any number of votes may be cast. - The voting period is two weeks. I am not sure about the 10 votes but I have no objections. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive your mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Status of logo voting?
Hi there, On 01 Oct 2003 at 00:02:02 +0300, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: Suggestions: * Use #808080 bg or darker, do not rely on the user's browser default (which is usually white). I used #305050 now which looks good on my monitor. * Use [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the From address, not [EMAIL PROTECTED] Done. * Add some words on being responsible when voting, so we don't end up with a random winner logo. :) To be done. Hopefully in the next days. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive your mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Status of logo voting?
Hi there, On 30 Sep 2003 at 00:51:43 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You probably mean we can not avoid cheating completely. Being unable to prevent it at all would be a sad prospect :-) ;-) Right. I think forcing voters to vote for at least 20 logos might lead to wrong results. If I like only 3 logos I would like vote for 3 logos only. So if I have to vote for 20 logos I would spread randomly my other 17 votes over the remaining logos, which means that I have to vote for logos I don't like. After the voting time we may look through the votes and see if there are any suspicions. We may check domains and user names. (and a few other things we should not announce now) But the question is if we find any suspicions what can we do. Shall we delete this votes? What if two people have similar email addresses? I'd add a comment to the voting rules that the voting committee (whoever that is) may reject votes if there is strong evidence that they are forged. I'll do that. We can think about the details later. The important part is to collect as many data as possible right from the start (i.e. the complete mails should be archived). Actually there are not any mails. Currently the voter is asked to state its email address only. I store some further information about the voting access (IP, Browser, Hostname, ..) which may be used to detect cheating. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive your mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Status of logo voting?
Hi there, On 29 Sep 2003 at 10:22:19 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: I think we need to start the voting process soon before the logo artits get angry :-) I got hardly feedback for the actual voting page. You reported one problem I could not reproduce. Using the actual voting page voting should be possible. Could you please check if you can vote with the actual page? I don't think we should state any voting results during the voting time. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive our mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Status of logo voting?
Hi there, On 29 Sep 2003 at 17:09:18 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: I think we need to start the voting process soon before the logo artits get angry :-) I got hardly feedback for the actual voting page. You reported one problem I could not reproduce. Using the actual voting page voting should be possible. Could you please check if you can vote with the actual page? I don't think we should state any voting results during the voting time. What's the URL again? http://www.fvwm.org/logo-competition/logos/voting/ You should see a page which shows a link to http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/fvwm-web/logo-competition/logos/voting where voting can be done. I could make an automatic redirection if it is wanted. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive your mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Voting page nearly ready
Hi there, On 11 Sep 2003 at 15:30:14 -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: UP I am going to keep the voting stuff at my university account since UP there I can allow the web server to change files. I could easily give you a MySQL database to play with if that would make things easier for you. Well, this would make things much easier and better to maintain. My problem at the moment is, that I running out of time. I am going to work in a foreign country for the next two or three next weeks. So I cannot do much at the web page. Since the voting files are nearly ready one needs only to change the functions function mail_is_registered($mail) function id_is_registered($id) function id_has_voted_already($id) function register_mail_and_id( $email, $id ) function save_voting() in file logo-competition/logos/voting/voting_functions.inc that they access the mysql database instead of the files. This should not be that hard but I cannot do it in the next weeks. Some notes to the files in the voting directory: fvwm-web/logo-competition/logos/voting/colors.gif grey color image for changing colors fvwm-web/logo-competition/logos/voting/index.php voting pages - displays the logos fvwm-web/logo-competition/logos/voting/login.php page for login to the logo page - handles generation of id and sends it to the user fvwm-web/logo-competition/logos/voting/logo_list.inc php array containing the logo names fvwm-web/logo-competition/logos/voting/vote.php page to display voting result fvwm-web/logo-competition/logos/voting/voting_functions.inc function descriptions for voting - is included by all php files A good documentation about php-sql can be found at http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.mysql.php If someone can do it please let me know. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive our mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Voting page nearly ready
Hi together, The voting page is nearly ready: http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/fvwm-web/logo-competition/logos/voting/ I am going to keep the voting stuff at my university account since there I can allow the web server to change files. Dominik Vogt wrote: Ideally, the order does not change if you hit the reload button. In the current version actually it does. But I think reloading this page makes not much sense so the order change is not that big issue. Is it possible to display the logos in two colums in order to save space on the page? This would make voting a bit less cumbersome. There are only few thumbnail pics that do not fit in a column. It should be easy to fix that. I skipped this as well since some logos belong together and were therefore displayed on one line. Making a two column page will be quite complicated having some logos grouped and some not. This can be changed at anytime and will not affect the voting procedure. The site can and should be tested for a couple of days and may be put officially if there are no complains. I don't want to explain anything here since the pages should be self-explained ;-) If not I did something wrong :) BTW: All files are in the cvs at fvwm.org so everyone is free to do changes. If there are changes I will do a cvs update at my university account. I am going to delete votings which are done during this test phase - so don't worry but be sure you vote again when voting is offical ;-) One last thing: The voting concept is based on email addresses. So everyone can do one voting for each email address he has. We may need to discuss this. But actually I see no other possibility to identify the user. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive our mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Draft of the voting page
Hi there, On 08 Sep 2003 at 09:46:15 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: For fairness the order of the logo is going to be randomly. Ideally, the order does not change if you hit the reload button. This makes sence, I'll keep that in mind. Is it possible to display the logos in two colums in order to save space on the page? This would make voting a bit less cumbersome. There are only few thumbnail pics that do not fit in a column. It should be easy to fix that. To make it look good this would require tables. I avoided tables on purpose to avoid rendering times. Maybe I can make small tables which contain 2 up to 3 logos. Voting rules ... This has to be rewritten. I only hacked this first sentences which came into my mind to have something on top of the page. Thanks for the comments. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive our mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logo submission
Hi there, On 04 Sep 2003 at 21:05:38 +0300, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: Of course, theoretically this may be a problem, but practically... I can't speak for others, but personally, in 95% of cases I either like or not like the artist style. But if I like some really best logo in the remaining 5%, I will vote for its artist for sure. So I see no problem. Anyway, if you may do it easy for both you to implement and voters to choose the best logo in one stage, go for it. It seems a lot of work. I already working on it. My concept is the following I got (for fairness) one page where thumbnails of all logos are displayed. Actually I am not sure about the size of this page but it may be about 1 Mb. This is quite large but I don't like to split the page since someone could think logos on the second page are disadvantaged. This is already done. Each logo gets a number to identify it. I am going to group logos which belongs obviously together. These logos will be displayed together on the page, they will have the same number and one can only vote them together. These grouping is the next step to be done. From the voting page each logo links to the big size at the authors page. - Easy since all is php. Each logo/group gets a check button for voting. Voting require to insert a email-address in a web form. This may be done on the voting page itself or an extra page. I am not sure yet. To this email-address the web server send a password string, which the voter uses to take part on the voting. I not that sure about the string yet. This may be totally random generated or an randomly taken string from a dictionary. The web server stores the email-address - string combination to a file so that it can validate the voter. When the voter comes back to the voting page. He is required to insert its password. The web server will check it together with the email-address. The can make a new voting or changes it existing one. I am not sure how the voting information is store at the servers side. Storing it as php source code will be easy to handle. But it may be done in may small files or in one large file. For security purpose I am going to keep the files on another server as fvwm.org - maybe my university account, maybe another one. The bad thing is I am running out of time since the last 2 september weeks I am going work at another place. Where I might have limited time and limited access to my university account. Hopefully someone could help me a little bit out with the scripting. On the related issue, it would be nice to hold a competition for the best fvwm art (icons, wallpapers, window decorations, menus, complete themes). We really lack good dedicated artists. Probably more than we lack a logo. Well, IMO it depends where you put the focus on fvwm. Certainly there are some other wms which have quite fancy styles and themes. But there is _none_ which is as flexible and configurable as fvwm. But you are right. Having some really good fvwm-own-themes, icons, wallpapers, ... will make fvwm more interessting. Besides fvwm-themes, it would might be nice to have complete tar-archives which extracts to ~/.fvwm and give a whole theme including icons, wallpapers, maybe sounds etc. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive our mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Logo submission
Hi there, Sun1000 sent me the logo at http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/fvwm_grill.jpg in private. The submission is belated and I don't like to put this picture on the web site. It is funny, of course, but it is not a logo actually. If someone thinks this logo should be added I will do it. If not I write a mail to him/her that the logo has been rejected. Cheers, uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive our mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logo submission
Hi there, On 04 Sep 2003 at 11:53:25 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: I guess this wasn't seriously meant as a logo. In any case, unless we officially extend the submission period, we can not accept new logo submissions. This would not be fair towards the people who submitted their logos in time or did not draw new logos because the deadline has passed. This is exactly my point. Asking this question I wanted to backup my view. Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive our mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logo submission
Hi there, On 04 Sep 2003 at 13:10:17 +0300, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: You may add it to the other fvwm related art of this artist section, like it is done for Phil Harper. I'll do so. BTW, This is exactly why I think the artist is more important then any his specific logo, a good artist may create endless logo variations for us, especially if she is dedicated to fvwm (creating several logo designs and other art). I would say, the question is which artist style most of our users prefer. I see your point and I think too that voting for the artist first and afterwards for a logo will simplify the logo procedure. But how about if you have two artists. One made a lot of quite nice logos and the other made a couple of ugly ones except one which is really good. Whom would you give your artist vote? I think fvwm needs only one logo which can be independent from the artist's other work. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive our mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: voting for the new fvwm logo?
Hi there, On 03 Sep 2003 at 09:59:02 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: * It is practically difficult to score hundreds of logos at once Most of the logos are series of the same logo in various formats. Which makes it even more difficult since votes for different logos of a serie should be count together. We have 3 (or in some rare cases more) best artists who get the largest number of points. Second stage. Choosing 1 best logo. It may be problematic to make people vote twice. That's right. It might be too complicated since there are two deadlines. I would say, only FVWM users may vote. So to ensure this, we may post a snippet that should be saved as file ~/.fvwm/logo-competition-voting and then manually read as Read logo-competition-voting. The snippet then creates a cookie like G5J54ka2H42JK4Ui that encodes $USER, $HOST and other things. Every voter should enter this cookie manually into the voting web interface. The bad cookies are dismissed. This is only an idea, the exact protection mechanism may be discussed. It is not trivial to implement this voting system (just like any other for this reason). But definitelly doable. The best part about this, it is possible to make it really easy for users to vote using the web. Does this make sence? Yes, but I think it is too complicated and too much effort for the voters. So I guess using this system we won't have many voters. The most convenient solution would be a web voting system. I think we are not the first and only ones which have this problem. So there might be already a solution for this problem. Talking to a collegue during lunch we came up to a solution were a voter is required to insert its email address into a web form and gets sent a email-password combination which is used for voting. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive our mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: voting for the new fvwm logo?
Hi there, On 03 Sep 2003 at 13:21:30 +0300, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: The main reason I think it better to find best artists first and only then go to the winning logo is that currently the competition is very artist centric. Take a look at: http://fvwm.org/logo-competition/logos_new.php BTW, I don't always understand how Uwe chooses the overview image. For example, take a look at: http://fvwm.org/logo-competition/logos/Keran/index.php?no_software_patents=ever I see at least 12 different designs, but the overview contains only 1. It is a matter of time. Most times I took one image which seems to me represent the logos and scaled it down. For some authors I used gimp to make a overview image from more than one logo. But this is quite much work. For the voting system we might need to rearrange the logo pages anyway. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive our mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: voting for the new fvwm logo?
Hi there, On 03 Sep 2003 at 16:13:53 +0300, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: You don't need to get the deadlines too precisely. We didn't expect to get hundreds of logos back then. It is interesting that you say in another message that you don't have a time to create one good overview image, but still want to go with one stage voting that requeres a lot of clean-up work, literally going through all hundreds of images and splitting them in some cases and grouping them in other cases, so different variants appear as one logo. Much *much* harder than creating overview for every artist, which is already almost ready. Anyway, since it is you that do most of the work, your thoughts have more weight. I am not sure at all how the voting should be realized. My current thoughts are: * Web voting seems to me most conventient. * Web voting requires that the web server has write permisions at least to one file, which might be a security issue. * If this is not possible at fvwm.org I may set it up at my university account. * Preselecting authors in the voting process seems to me is not the right way since we want to vote for logos not for authors. * It might be good to make a vote page(s) where all logos are displayed independently from authors. Logos which belong together should be handled as one logo. * Voting pages should be in a way that all logos have equal chances. * Hidding any information about the author of the logo on the voting page might be useful. * There are several voting scripts on the web. We might check some of them if they can be used for our issue. * Estimating how many people might vote would be quite helpful for making a decission. I fear to setup a big voting system for a handful of voters. On the other hand using emails for votes from hundreds of voters will be a lot of work. * Voting counts should be hidden in all way to make manipulations difficult. Hints and thoughts are welcome. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive our mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: voting for the new fvwm logo?
Hi there, On 02 Sep 2003 at 14:02:51 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: Someone suggested to make a web page that allows voting for the new logo. I have thought about this some time ago but I came not to a efficient solution which ensures that each person can vote for one logo only once. A solution which checks ip addresses may fail since since someone could have access to more than one ip address. The same can be said about email addresses. The only procedure which seems to be secure enough is that voters get a login and a password. This one has to be checked by a person to avoid that someone votes twice. Otherwise I'd collect votes on the logo mailing list or in private. I think sending votes to the list seems the most secure and transparent way. I could provide links for each logo to make voting easier. For instance: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] So it would be up to you to ensure that each voter can vote only once for each logo. The voting mode I'd use: - Every voter may or may not vote for each logo. The idea is to vote for all logos that one would like to see as the new official logo. - The logo with the most votes wins. - This voting mode should give us the broadest acceptance for the winning logo. Who is allowed to vote? Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive our mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: voting for the new fvwm logo?
Hi there, On 02 Sep 2003 at 16:50:14 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: At least we could have a page with a check box for each logo with a big button send mail to vote. I'd solve the multiple voting problem by asking for the voter's real name and possibly a mail address. This can be done. But it might take a couple of days since I am quite busy and want to add the remaining logos first. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive our mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [FVWM-LOGO] Deadline?
Hi there, On 01 Sep 2003 at 10:15:55 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: Since logos are still coming in at a steady pace, should we extend the submission period by a month? I think this is not necessary. It seems to me that some artists waited for the deadline to submit thier logos. I guess there won't be much submissions in the next month. Except we will announce this extension at well-known places like news groups. But I am not sure if it is fair to change the competition rules. BTW: Has anyone thought about the voting rules and procedure? Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive our mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sorry for cvs mails
Hi together, As seen I had some difficulties by adding all converted screenshots at once. I got some error messages from the cvs server. So I added all new directories step by step which causes a lot of cvs mails. While writing this mail my cvs copy at home has been synchronized with the cvs server - cvs commit and cvs update works as expected. There are still some files to transmit :-) Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, For personal reply/mail put fvwm (O,O) in the subject. ( ) Otherwise I won't receive our mail. --- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web page rendering time
Hi there, On 11 Aug 2003 at 08:25:44 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: I just noticed something odd (Mozilla 1.4, Linux). I started mozilla, loaded the fvwm home page and switched to another page before anything was displayed. When I finally came back to the browser page, I could watch as the frame on the internal window was drawn bit by bit. That took about one second. Is this because of the web pages or because the rendering engine is too slow? I tried that with mozilla 1.4 but could not reproduce it. Maybe it is because I started mozilla on a remote maschine and redirected X. Did you start mozilla on the local machine? Generally this may caused by a number of reasons. What kind of internet connection was it? If it was a telephone line the decoration pics should be loaded as last so you might have watched it. Maybe the RAM was full and parts of mozilla were put to the swap - I can often see this at may machine at work were RAM is always full ;-) I don't think that it is caused by the rendering engine neither by the page design (that much). The actual design has been optimized so that rendering should a bit faster than the first design or the birthday theme. I sit here on an about 300 MHz Sun Solaris with 192 MB RAM - mozilla displays the page quite fast and nicely. Regards, Uwe -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web page rendering time
Hi there, On 11 Aug 2003 at 10:29:45 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: Athlon XP 1800+ with 512 MB RAM (318 MB free). I can reproduce the effect at will: - start mozilla (on page 0 1) - use a bookmark to load http://fvwm.org/ - switch to page 0 0 immediately - wait until the page has loaded How do you know that it is loaded fully? ;-) - switch back to page 0 1 = Rendering the pager and window borders takes about 1.5 seconds. Everything else is visible almost immediately. Note that it's only slow the first time the page is displayed. Switching between pages later is as fast as expected. Using Firebird (mozilla engine) on my local box I could reproduce it randomly a couple of times. I could not see the problem when I used a remote started mozilla. It seems to me that mozilla detects in some way that it is not visible - maybe X notifies it. Could it be that this mechanism does not work it the display is redirected? Regards, Uwe -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new web page decorations
Hi there, On 22 Jul 2003 at 09:31:54 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: The reason why there are two buttons is the relief in the title. One needs left and right in title different pics. I think you misunderstood me. There is no title and no buttons. The title is completely blank. See attached picture. This is how it should look like ;-) I ran fvwm without a config and got this look. I removed the title string and the handles. We may put a string in the title like Offical FVWM Homepage or a page specific one line Fvwm - Links. If you think it is to simple or plain I can make it a bit more fancy :-) Cheers, Uwe -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new web page decorations
Hi there, On 22 Jul 2003 at 10:04:22 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: Yes, I think it's too simple. We should rather provide a better default config than adapt our web page to the bare minimum to start up :-) I have a look if I can find some time tonight to make the deco more fancy. Has anyone a window decoration screenshot as suggestion for the default theme? Regards, Uwe -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web page theme has been changed
Greetings to all, I have changed the default theme of the web page. I made a new theme which is a bit simpler and therefore a bit faster than the decorated themes we had before. As always comments are welcome. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A time to switch back from the birthday web theme
Hi there, On 11 Jul 2003 at 21:10:45 +0300, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: I think we should switch from the birthday web theme back. At least take off the colorful background. I am going to do that shortly. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The authors page
Hi there, On 10 Jul 2003 at 22:12:28 +0200, Marcus Lundblad wrote: The link on the AUTHORS page to pictures (at the top) leads back to the same page... Thank you. There was a problem converting this link - has been fixed now. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Image size disclosure for the screenshots
Hi there, On 03 Jul 2003 at 02:57:11 -0400, parv wrote: Would people working on the screen shots page(s) be kind enough to list image sizes (as in disk space, not length x width) (for those who are on dial up)? It is insane to wait for a 400 kB image to load on slow dial up. This will be done. However I am quite busy at the moment so I won't have time to revise the screenshot page that soon. The new screenshot page will be dynamic and therefore able to display the file size automatically. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Birthday theme on web site
Hi there, On 02 Jul 2003 at 04:23:54 -0500, FVWM CVS wrote: Log message: * removed new status of latest releases and birthday_celebration banner Since the birthday party is over one month ago we might want to change the default theme to a less colorful version. Dominik said he would like to keep the pager on top of the site. So we may make a new default theme which uses the birthday theme as template or we switch to the old default theme. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to update generated files on web site?
Hi there, On 30 Jun 2003 at 18:04:55 +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: I think Uwe said he will create dev_webpage.php soon. This is the next thing I am going to do. I hope I found some time this week :-) Cheers Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web layout suggestion
Hi there, On 13 Jun 2003 at 13:52:54 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: I like the pager in the birthday layout much better than on the regular page. I suggest that we switch to a horizontal pager there too, but below the page title: We can change the default theme whenever we got a new one. Since the birthday theme support a simple multi-pixmap style I would like derive a new default theme from it. Appart from that I still got in mind to provide a fvwmrc which make fvwm look the same as a web page theme. Another idea would be to provide a simple (or complex :) fvwmrc generator on the web page. The user may choose titlebar, mouse behaviour etc. and gets a fvwmrc. I leave for holiday in a couple of hours. So I would like to shift that discussion two weeks from now. Can anyone take care on new submitted logos for the logo page? Either Mikhael nor me can do that in the next two weeks. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Patch: fvwm-web: fix typo
Hi there, On 11 Jun 2003 at 10:31:53 +1000, Scott Smedley wrote: This typo annoyed me so much I had to submit a patch. Thanks. I have changed that. Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dead link on web page
Hi there, On 11 Jun 2003 at 09:52:23 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: On the page http://www.fvwm.org/documentation/developers.php the link Web site is dead. It points to http://www.fvwm.org/documentation/dev_webpage.php Fixed. I have got this file on my copy of the fvwm-web tree. I have not found the time to write something about the php concept yet - so I have not added this file to cvs. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Patch: fvwm-web: fix typo
Hi there, On 11 Jun 2003 at 07:54:24 +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: Actually it is autoheader, not autoheaders. I noticed that there is not autoheaders on my system. I have changed it to autoheader. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FVWM: fvwm man page in HTML?
Hi there, On 10 Jun 2003 at 13:41:21 +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: I think it is better to make a simple script which spilts the output from man2html. So the original man remains untached. For me the best solution is to use dhtml (with active + or -), not multiple pages, i.e. to show only sections initially, then a user may open and close any section as he likes. Or maybe the default is to open all sections for small man pages. Not very hard to add such dhtml to the existing html. I am not sure about JavaScript on the fvwm web site. We do need a solution which works even with browsers which do not support dhtml or only parts of it. The background color change on the logo page would have been possible with JavaScript too. But I thought it may not work in all browsers. But we may try to use dhtml for the man page sites if we can get it work. BTW: I am off for holiday from June 14 to 28. So I cannot check my mail nor working on the web site. Maybe I find a little bit time till the end of this week. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FVWM: FvwmPager exits when changing the desktop.
Hi there, On 02 Jun 2003 at 13:52:56 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 01:01:40PM +0200, Uwe Pross wrote: I have append a partial fvmw-config which produces a breakable pager on my system. After changing the desk the pager gets killed. The problem disappears if the three commented lines are used and the previous two are commented out. (please send bug reports to the fvwm-workers list) I don't get a crash with your config, but the window colours are screwed on desk 0 after switching. Do you get a core dump? If so, please post a stack trace: No core dump. The pager just closes or gets closed. On my Linux system at home I noticed that weired color change after changing the desk. On my computer at work the pager breaks. Both may be caused by the same problem. BTW: I changed the config a bit without success. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =---DeskTopSize 2x5 CleanupColorsets Colorset 13 fg black, bg dodgerblue3, VGradient 128 dodgerblue4 dodgerblue1 Colorset 14 fg black, bg azure3, HGradient 128 azure4 azure2 DestroyModuleConfig FvwmPagerDemo KillModule FvwmPagerDemo *FvwmPagerDemo: Rows 1 *FvwmPagerDemo: Fontnone *FvwmPagerDemo: SmallFont none *FvwmPagerDemo: Colorset * 14 *FvwmPagerDemo: HilightColorset * 13 #*FvwmPagerDemo: Fore$[fg.cs13] #*FvwmPagerDemo: Back$[bg.cs14] #*FvwmPagerDemo: Hilight $[bg.cs13] *FvwmPagerDemo: MiniIcons *FvwmPagerDemo: UseSkipList *FvwmPagerDemo: WindowBorderWidth 1 FvwmPager FvwmPagerDemo * Style FvwmPagerDemo Sticky, StaysOnTop # GotoDesk GotoDesk +1 0 2
Re: FVWM: FvwmPager exits when changing the desktop.
Hi there, On 02 Jun 2003 at 14:14:40 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: Could you attach a debugger to the running pager and single step through it to see where it exits? I had a try using fvwm without a config - only with the config I posted. The problem disappeared. So it might be my configuration too. I attached an archive with my whole config, maybe you can have a try. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- fvwm-config_pager_break.tgz Description: Binary data
Re: CVS migo fvwm-web: * updated regenerated files without increasing the version number for now
Hi there, On 30 May 2003 at 20:33:33 -0500, FVWM CVS wrote: Log message: * updated regenerated files without increasing the version number for now * replaced birthday_celebration2.gif with birthday_celebration1.gif _ until Uwe adds this file into cvs - Sorry and thanks for the fix. I have added birthday_celebration2.gif now which fits to the color of the decoration. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems displaying the birthday pages.
Hi there, On 31 May 2003 at 13:58:37 +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: This is probably because of the transparent gif background. Possible. There is no really a reason to have a transparent page background. I had some tries with the ballons on different background colors. That's why it is transparent. To be honest I like the background on the posted bad-bleah.jpg more than the current one. I liked this one too, but I thought it was said to be too colorful. Pink, orange, violet, brown and lightsalad are really not my favorite colors. And the page is a bit dark for me. Uwe, can you please put into cvs transparent ballons.png instead of ballons.jpg, so I may try to work on it too. :) I changed it a bit. A couple of ballon pics should be one the cvs now. Please remove some you don't want to use. I would really like to make the birthday theme more joyful, I prefer the following color modification to the decorations: http://fvwm.sf.net/tmp/purple_smaller-2.png Can you please adjust the color scheme (including visited links)? I adapted the colors for this decorations. Feel free to change the colors if it is still not liked. - web-themes/classes/birthday_class.inc Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems displaying the birthday pages.
Mikhael, if you found a color scheme. You may set the birthday theme as default in file definitions.inc. The lines are already there they just have to be commented out. I am off for tonight and may have no time tommorow morning. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Birthday announcement draft
Hi there, On 29 May 2003 at 22:46:47 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Announcement at end of message) Mikhael, you mentioned some info on fvwm's history on the sf site. Can this be merged into the home page before Sunday? If it's not ready yet, can someone prepare a dummy page? In that case I will try to put up the text before Sunday (but no promises). Have a look at the web page. Maybe you want to put is below the pictures. If not you can copy the file birthday/index.php to say birthday/history.php and use this as dummy page. What is the status of the page with the pictures of developers and users? All pictures are on the site now. Who will take care of updating the News Flash section on the home page with links to the various birthday related sub pages? Done. Cheers, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Birthday decorations and announcement?
Hi there, On 30 May 2003 at 14:14:59 +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: Sorry, my mice pasted the wrong url. It is: My mouse always does ;-) http://www.twobarleycorns.net/fvwm/purpsilver.jpg You may ignore the LeftOfText, UnderText and RightOfText parts of the titlebar althought it is not such beautiful without them. I used this picture but it is pretty poor quality. I also think the colors do not match that good. Please no solid red theme for the birthday. :) You may try to change the decoration using the script pictures/decorations/make_decoration.sh It prints a short help message. For the birthday decoration I used in the root of fvwm-web tree: pictures/decorations/make_decoration.sh purpsilver.jpg 4 birthday/window_decor_birthday 23 -f 4 .. border width of the window 23 .. titlebar height -f .. override files in directory birthday/window_decor_birthday Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Birthday decorations and announcement?
Hi there, On 27 May 2003 at 17:01:39 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: We still need to - Write at least a minimal birthday announcement and post it (volunteers?) - Update the web page with an announcement including - a BIG birthday statement - some information on the IRC chat. I plan to hang out on IRC between about 16:00 and 22:00 GMT on Sunday on both, the German and the English channels. - Where to send congratulation messages (fvwm mailing list). - Some birthday decorations for the web page? I made a couple of banners for the web page. Maybe we can use one of them: http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/fvwm-web/birthday/ We could include one of these banners on sunday automatically by the php scripts. Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2.4.16 and 2.5.7 releases?
Hi there, On 13 May 2003 at 11:45:36 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: Anyone wants to build the next releases? Because I won't do it. Just a note about release information on the web site: To update the web site to a new release one needs only to change the variable settings, currently: $latest_stable_release = 2.4.15; $latest_unstable_release = 2.5.6; in the file definitions.inc (quite on top in the file). These settings are used in all other php-files included the links to the ftp-directory like: ftp://ftp.fvwm.org/pub/fvwm/version-2/fvwm-?php echo $latest_stable_release; ?.tar.gz Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web: some pages too wide
Hi there, On 05 May 2003 at 21:59:10 +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: This makes all command line text in the same style in the file and works with all browsers. If browsers don't obey to style sheet lines are not wrapped put displayed in fixed font. So the old browsers show the same original problem this thread is started from. Also this does not solve the confusion between the continuation lines and the leading lines. What exactly this would solve? Currently there are two different styles for command line text on the pages - the pre and p style. I would like if we use the same style for all command line text and source code examples. We don't really should use a monospace font (usually wide) The monospace font shows that either source code or command line text is shown. But variable font is ok if we signalize in an other way that this is special text. for commands. p or div with br would look nicer for a visitor, although it needs a bit more work to write. For me, we should write all commands inside p class=cmdline, but if you see a better solution, do it. Currently not. Actually the proper way to include command line text would be kbd... and for source code code... I have played around with this but came not to a satisfying solution. The problem I have with the current solution is that it uses a mix of different tags. Sometimes pre is used and sometimes p. Looking at the plain layout you cannot distinguish between normal text and the command line text formated with the p tag. That's why I suggested pre with the linebreak option. If stylesheets are used by the browser and the layout we can allow a line break within the pre tag by providing a css class. If not the user has to life with a wide page but recognizes command line text and source code. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new web page links
Hi there, On 01 May 2003 at 08:43:01 -0400, Dan Espen wrote: I'm finding the mis-match between the quick jumps and the pager labels confusing. For example, there are 4 entries in the pager under screenshots, but only 2 quick jumps labeled screenshots. Using the alt tags in the pager, for screenshots, there are the categories: screenshots desktop screenshots window decorations menu screenshots Then if I click on screenshots in the pager I get: desktop screenshots window decoration screenshots menu screenshots It would help if the quickjump was labeled window decoration screenshots. You are right. I was not that consistent. I have changed it to Window Decoration Screenshots. Then there would be 3 quick jumps but 4 pager entries. The extra entry in the pager is for the desktop sub menu. It would help if the alt tag reflected this somehow, but that would still leave desktops inconsistent with the download pager which doesn't have a sub menu. Maybe the sub menus should be eliminated. Or we may add a sub menu for the download section too. I think that's more consistent regarding to other navigation possibilities. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FAQ
Hi there, Would anyone mind if I change the links in the FAQ file in fvwm cvs from _+_A HREF=http://fvwm.org/fvwm-cats/_-_fvwm-cats_+_/A_-_ to http://fvwm.org/fvwm-cats ? The first is the old syntax probably needed for faq2html converter. For the new faq2php this is not needed anymore. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FAQ
Hi there, On 05 May 2003 at 14:02:53 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: No opinion, but we have the same style of links in the NEWS too. Good hint I didn't notice that - There are only 3 links like this. The current news2php script filters these lines. Maybe I will extend the script so that it produces the line: Note, the changes for the last STABLE release start with release on the web site as well. But these _+_.._-_ wrappers are not really needed and do not look that good in a text file either ;-) I am going to remove the _+_-wrappers but keep a private copy the files just in case someone complains ;-) Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web: some pages too wide
Hi there,
On 30 Apr 2003 at 14:48:23 +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote:
A line break inside a command descriptions may confuse the
user. That's why pre was used. I would leave it as it is
or add a statement that the following command must be without a
linebreak.
I think css allows to define different margins/alighment for continuation
lines than the corresponding properties for the leading lines.
If you may find the css solution to reduce a confusion, it would be nice.
I noticed that you have changed pre class=cvs to
p class=cmdline in file dev_cvs.php already. A better
way to achieve linebreaks is using pre class=cvs and
allow line breaking explicitly. With
pre.cvs {
white-space:normal;
}
This makes all command line text in the same style in the
file and works with all browsers. If browsers don't obey to
style sheet lines are not wrapped put displayed in fixed
font.
I would like to turn it back to pre class=cvs.
Regards, Uwe
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Re: Menu screenshots for web site.
Hi there, On 04 May 2003 at 13:32:52 +1000, Scott Smedley wrote: Here's a few screenshots of my menu which I thought someone might like to add to the Fvwm/MenuScreenshots web page: http://users.tpg.com.au/users/scottie7/fvwmmenus.html There's only 2 menu screenshots on the Fvwm page, it could do with a few more - anyone? Nice shots. The screenshots pages are going to be reworked shortly. The new pages should offer a small menu shot with 4 items only for the overview page (maybe there will be default entries), a more detailed shot with sub menu, a config files which produces the shot _independent_ from the current fvwm configuration, means colorsets, fonts, etc. have to be specified and a set of icons used in this menu. I am not that sure about how this will be done in detail but we will set up a concept shortly. For the new page I would like to add one or two of your shots. So could you please provide a config and a icon package unless the icons you use are already in the fvwm-icon package available at the download page. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New web page is slow
Hi there, On 01 May 2003 at 13:16:58 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, that did not help. How about the current version? I have reserved a width of 80 pixels for the pager which may lessen the prob. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The new web pages
Hi there, On 28 Apr 2003 at 08:23:32 +0200, Uwe Pross wrote: I have not made a decision yet. My current concept (in mind) is partinioning the functions as the are now in layout_default.inc in files and add some dependencies to this functions ... This concept was not that good. I had set this up on my computer and had some tries. I realized that it uses even more cpu load than the class concept which I like more since it is structured. I made some performance messurements which showed that the class concept needs about 5 percent more cpu load on the server than the current function concept. I think that's resonable - I'd like to go with that. I have ported the current default layout from May 1. The last changes Bob made should be included. Currently I have got the following files: web-theme/classes/base_class.inc // base class description web-theme/classes/default_class.inc // class for default theme web-theme/classes/plain_class.inc// class for plain theme web-theme/helpers/members2globals.inc // converter definitions web-theme/themes/default_theme.inc// theme file web-theme/themes/plain_theme.inc // theme file The theme files are almost ready. I think the conv_link_target function has to be adapted only. The new class/theme files will be used if ?theme instead of ?layout is used in the url: http://www.fvwm.org/?theme=default // white pager to see the difference http://www.fvwm.org/?theme=plain // different navigation style I commited it today so that changes on the layout files can be made on the new files as well. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New web page is slow
Hi there, On 29 Apr 2003 at 18:09:47 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: BTW: The total size I have given was not correct. I have forgotten the window decoration pictures. They come to another 25 kByte. Wow, 25kB? Why are they so big? 25k was what du -sk showed me. If there are many small files in the directories du -sk reports quite more space than the files are together needed. Each of them is not that big: 55 bottom.gif 58 bottom_left.gif 57 bottom_right.gif 108 button_1.gif 108 button_2.gif 89 button_3.gif 110 button_4.gif 73 button_5.gif 88 button_6.gif 76 deco_definitions.inc 57 left.gif 51 middle.gif 57 right.gif 73 title.gif 55 top.gif 57 top_left.gif 58 top_right.gif 71 transparent.gif At work (fastest possible connection, I work for an internet provider), 75% of the time (2 to 2.5 seconds) is used to load and display the icons in the pager. Is there a big penalty for loading 20 small files? What do you mean by penalty in this context? The pager is implemented as a set of html-tables. The many pictures need some time to load and some time is needed to render the table. I guess with your internet connection download times can be neglected. Say you have got 10Mbit/s connection (I guess you have much more) 200 kbyte take less than 0.2 s to load (neglecting the times needed for request, request delay, processing and response delay). Most time will be needed for rendering the site. You may check this by loading the site from a locally installed web server. Since they are loaded due style sheet definition they should be loaded at last after the background pic has been loaded. By the way, it might be good to load the outline of the pager earlier so that the layout does not suddenly change later. I don't get that. What does suddenly change on your layout? Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New web page is slow
Hi there, On 28 Apr 2003 at 10:40:54 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: Any ideas why the new web page takes 30 seconds on my ISDN line to load? All files together loaded when requesting www.fvwm.org/index.php are 122880 Bytes in size. So on an ISDN line it should take about 122880 Bytes / 64 Kbit/s * 8 = 15 sec Regarding that the background picture which should be the latest file to load is 50860 Bytes in size. The loading time should be about 72020 Bytes / 64 Kbit/s * 8 = 8.8 sec before the background picuture will be requested. But the web page was described in a way that the information should be displayed before loading all images. I have got an analog modem at home which runs at about 40 Kbit/s and I think it does not take that long. I will check that tonight. What browser do you use? Does the plain layout load much faster than the default layout? How about using ISDN in dual channel mode at 128 Kbit/s? Does this half the loading time? Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New web page is slow
Hi there, On 29 Apr 2003 at 13:51:02 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: Ah so that's the reason. 120kB seems to be huge. What is using so much space? The background image plus the logo take up 57kB, so there are still about 69kB left to explain. Is it because of the (uncompressed?) gifs? Is there any alternative to gifs? The following list gives the files on index.php and its size: 1336 alternate.css 369 authors_pager.gif 369 contact_mailing_list_pager.gif 1400 default.css 955 default_pager.gif 369 doc_developers_pager.gif 369 doc_faq_pager.gif 369 doc_manpages_pager.gif 543 documentation_pager.gif 439 download_icons_pager.gif 955 download_pager.gif 699 features_pager.gif 7309 fvwm-logo-steelblue.gif 369 fvwm_cats_pager.gif 50860 gray.jpg 955 home_pager.gif 25642 index.php 4543 index_plain.php 227 item_dot_blue.gif 955 links_pager.gif 543 news_pager.gif 67 pager_empty.gif 439 screenshots_decor_pager.gif 439 screenshots_desks_pager.gif 162 screenshots_menu_pager.gif 369 screenshots_pager.gif 71 transparent.gif 71 transparent_002.gif You see the gifs are quite small. The default index.php is about 25 kB which is caused by the table/cell definitions for the window decoration. You can also see that the file index_plain.php is 5 times smaller than the default layout index.php. How about reducing the size of the background image? At 2/3 of the original size at quality 0.65 it shrinks to 17274 bytes (attached). I have changed the bg image to grey color and quality 0.35 which reduced the image size to 18660 bytes. Mozilla 1.0.something. Mozilla should use your internet connection quite efficiently. Does the plain layout load much faster than the default layout? Yes, at least ten times faster. That was one reason why I made the plain layout (or theme from now :). Browsing through the man pages or the faq is much more efficient using the plain theme. Maybe we need to adapt the default theme a bit and reduce its size. But I think we need to exchange the pager navigation with a simpler menu navigation. When I got the new modular theme concept ready - hopefully tonight or tommorow - I am going to make (a) new theme(s). Maybe we use a simpler one for default. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New web page is slow
Hi there, On 29 Apr 2003 at 14:15:18 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: I was able to reduce the size of navgen.cli and navgen.php by 25% by removing all comments (especially the comment markers waste a lot of bandwidth) and by indenting with one tab instead of two spaces. Using shorter variable names should save another couple of kBs... Yes, down from 16518 to 9860 bytes in navgen.php with one to four letter variable names. Comments are not bad :-) navgen.cli is only a helper script which is started by the user only when something has changed on the navigation structure. It generates a php array description which contains the file relations on the web site. navgen.php is obsolete. I have removed this from cvs by now. All *.php and *.inc files are executed at the server site. This means comments and long variable names will not be transmitted to the user and does therefore not effect loading times. Only the echo and print commands in these files produce traffic to the user (but navgen.cli never). If you want to reduce the traffic you need to look in the php output not in the sources. But I don't think that there is much which can be removed in there. BTW: I prefer spaces instead of tabs since they have the same size indepent from editor settings. What do you use for the fvwm souce files? Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New web page is slow
Hi there, On 29 Apr 2003 at 10:45:38 -0400, Bob Woodside wrote: It's clearly the graphics that cause it. It's is mix of the size of the graphics and the number of files to load. The window decoration requires quite a lot of small files. Each of them needs a own http request which has a response time. These times needs also to take in account. On my cable connection the load time runs between 8 12 seconds. For comparison, loading time in Lynx is sub-second; so there's no textual material that's slowing it down (which you addressed elsewhere in this thread). I just tried several more test loads - it looks like your smaller image change has propagated to the Web site - I'm now getting load times consistently in the range of about 5 - 7 seconds. How fast is your cable connection? BTW: The total size I have given was not correct. I have forgotten the window decoration pictures. They come to another 25 kByte. Since they are loaded due style sheet definition they should be loaded at last after the background pic has been loaded. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The new web pages
Hi there, On 26 Apr 2003 at 01:35:17 +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: On 25 Apr 2003 20:56:23 -0400, Dan Espen wrote: I notice that for the screenshots, the ability to move from full size image to full size image has been removed. Is there a plan to bring that back? I may enhance the script to automatically add Next/Prev links, but I think Uwe wants to redesign the whole thing later. For the moment this might be a workaround. I thought this feature might be not that important since I always go from thumbnail to the full sized shot. But if this feature is requested we may put it back. To the screenshot site: Actually I wanted to wait before discussing the screenshot pages until the php concept has been finished. The screenshot pages as they are now very good. Some desktop screenshots are quite out of date. The information about some shots is quite poor and there are no .fvwmrcs for the shots. For the desktop shot I think it would be good if a short description were given what is seen on _each_ shot - like FvwmButtons (with config), gkrellm (with theme), asmail, Taskbar (with config), and so on. If somebody uses special icons we might also say where they can be obtained from. The desktop shot page should not contain too may pictures to keep the page clearer. We may separate the shot page to pages contain 5 or 7 shots and provide prev and next buttons on each page. We should also provide simple screenshots like the fvwm default look. For the window decoration and menu screenshot pages we might need some more shots with configs to attract people. Maybe a separate FvwmButtons screenshot page would be nice. Rating for the shots would be also a fancy feature ;-) Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The new web pages
Hi there, On 26 Apr 2003 at 00:37:55 +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: This is good. Can I suggest to move all layout classes to the separate directory? I.e. layout/default.inc instead of layout_default.inc. Yes, it is good to have the files more structured. I think the navigation methods may be (if possible of course) moved to separate elements. Like: layout/navigation/pager.inc layout/navigation/parent_list.inc layout/navigation/void.inc # does not exist in the new version layout/navigation/menus.inc # does not exist yet How about to separate the decoration methods too: layout/decor/window.inc # there is also the actual image/color theme layout/decor/border.inc # there is also the actual image/color theme layout/decor/void.inc This way, the current layout=default consists of navigation=pager and decor=window, layout=plain consists of navigation=parent_list (or void) and decor=void. This is just a working suggestion without all details. The idea is good - but the current class concept needs to be changed a little bit. As far as I know php does not support deriving a class from more than one base class. So the concept you suggest is more like a construction kid where one collects all items one needs in a layout (theme) description. If I am thinking about it this make the class concept not necessary anymore. We could place function descriptions in separate files and include them in the layout files. So we don't need to descripe function more than one time and changing a function would affect all layouts. A layout file would look than just like this: include(theme_desc(navigation/parent_path.inc)); include(theme_desc(navigation/pager.inc)); include(theme_desc(decor/window.inc)); ... html ... /html This seems to me much more flexible than the class concept. Damn I should have discussed the class idea before implementing it ;-) BTW, having such function description files makes it quite easy to reuse the themes for further web designs - e.g. fvwm-theme. BTW, I think layout is not the best term for what it does. Maybe skin, view or look (other names: theme, design, looknfeel). Okay, I am not a native english speaker so some terms I have choosen might be not selected by other people. However, from your suggestions I would like theme at most since relates to fvwm-theme. From a web design view the term design might be most appropriate. I would like to leave it up to you. On the other subjects. Why do you set decoration windows to be 800 pixels tall - to always force a side scrollbar? An empty window taller than the page looks very bad. This was not on purpose - more by accident. I had some difficulties to keep the class description up to date, since the other layout files were changed a lot last week. I think we are not going to return to the old pages, so I will remove all .html files soon. Yes, good idea. I think we need to clean up the file tree a bit ;-) Another thing is that the web files currently have no license statement in it. With the modular function file concept the frame work becomes quite usable. I would like to put them under GPL like fvwm. Any disagrees? To do this is it necessary to put the GNU statement in each php and inc file? Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New website comments
Hi there, On 24 Apr 2003 at 22:21:04 +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: If lynx and links support cookies, what not. If we have many layouts (and not 2 like now) how may we know which one is preferred by a user? The default layout should work on any browser. :) I had a try with emacs this morning. The site was not viewable at all with this browser. It may be a bug in this browser but I don't like if this page is not viewable. I have set the default layout to plain if the user agent contains Emacs or Lynx. Currently this settings can be overridden with GET variables - cookies or others will follow ;-). Doing a request on fvwm.org should look good with lynx and emacs now. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The new web pages
Hi there, I have finished the layout description using php classes. The current two layouts have been ported to php class descriptions. Currently the new layout files are not used since I have not tested them very carefully :-| The new layouts are accessable via www.fvwm.org/?layout=plain_class and www.fvwm.org/?layout=default_class Don't be disappointed. They hardly look different to the current layouts. (On the plain layout the navigation is different. On the default layout the pager color is changed a bit to show that a different layout descriptions is used.) The difference is that classes are used for the layout description which makes it quite easy to derive new layouts from a existing ones. Currently the following files are used: class_layout_base.inc: description of base layout class interface_definitions.inc: mapping of object functions to global functions. layout_default_class.inc: default layout using classes (might be splitted) layout_plain_class.inc: plain layout using classes (might be splitted) navgen.cli produces currently a array for the class _and_ the current concept. Comments are welcome. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The new web pages
Hi there, On 23 Apr 2003 at 22:40:04 -0400, Bob Woodside wrote: The standard way to prevent this is to specify the exact width height of each icon image, so the browser knows how much space to layout for it before loading it. I think most of the current browsers will pick up the title attribute for the balloon help if alt is missing, but older ones don't, and I've no idea what Lynx does; so I think we should keep the alt attribute. Opera renders good now - even if the pager pictures do not exist ;-) Lynx uses the alt attribute to display the picture's name since it does not display the picture itself. So at least for this browser the alt attribute which describes the link is really neccessary. Netscape uses the alt attribute to pop up a little ballon which shows the image description. Other browsers as mozilla use the title attribute for the ballon. I think it is a good way to have both attributes meaningful since the pager icons only says not that much. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The new web pages
Hi there, On 23 Apr 2003 at 15:10:17 +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: In the alternative css the visited links are not different from the non-visited one, they should be clearly distinguishable. In the alternative css the active pager page is not marked. The existence of an alternate style will not be discovered by most users. It is really a fancy feature, but if there are problems with some browsers I think it is reasonable to live without it. I think the empty title is less interesting than the title with text. At least with old logos, the title text (empty now) carries the meaning. In the pages where the window decoration title should better be void we may just define it empty. What do you think? You are right, the title looks that empty ;-) I think we may choose a window title which it quite different from the header. On the start page it could be Welcome to the fvwm homepage or on the screenshot page it may say Click on the image for the full sized version. ... Some thoughts: It would be good if the pages stable and unstable belong to the navgation structure and would be displayed in the pager. The link at bottom of the man pages return to index would not be needed in that case. The same is with the perl library page and the logo sub pages. These pages are hidden from the navigation structure. I think it is not good to hide that much from the navigation structure. Hiding should be done by the layout-file so that further layouts may be designed as flexible as possible. For that case we may introduce a new header variable which tells the layout algorithm to do not step further down in the navigation tree. Layout files may descide of the use this variable of not. For example a layout could display all available man pages on the left side of the page. If they are not in the navigation structure is will be not possible to set up such a layout. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Input on new Website
Hi there, On 24 Apr 2003 at 11:07:29 +0200, Andre Bonhote wrote: Here comes what I feel about the new page: - On the start page, there is Desktops as link to the screenshots. IMO, this should read Screenshots, as most people (well, at least I do) look for this first. You are right, this will be done. - The screenshots page: Could this be reorganized somehow? Maybe it would be an idea to move the existing ones to another page (archive?) and shoot some new screenshots, especially for the new website. Some of these screenshots are quite outdated (I count my year-2k screenshot to those). Maybe some things could be included for the new shots: o Date o Mail address of the author, if available, printed with permission o Website of the author, if available and permitted o Links to configuration file snippets or to whole configs o Special things, like what's on the screen o Comments o Rating (Yes, the shots could be rated by visitors!) I don't like the current screenshot page that much either. For the new web page we decided to convert all old pages to the new layout first and make some changes afterwards. For the screenshot page it is planned to split the current page in pages containing only a few shots, say five, to minimize download times. There will be some more information about the shot like you say. I thought about providing a php-template file which describes the shot like: $author = Name; $date = 24.04.2003; $email = ... This template needs to be filled out by the author of a shot and send it together with the shot to fvwm-workers. Rating requires the ability to write data on the web server. This is not implemented yet. We need to discuss this regarding to space and security issues. We also need a good concept which avoids that a shot is rated serveral times by the same person. But I like the idea maybe we can set it up. As well, there could be a submission form for screenshots, which would make it easier for Dan to sort out the good from the bad. The submission requires the ability to upload files to the web server. This may also lead to space and security problems. Maybe we can set up a web form which generates the php file to be attached to the shot to make it easier to place a shot on the page. Thanks hints. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switching to the new web design
Hi there, On 23 Apr 2003 at 00:39:22 +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: Ok, I added the logo that I like much more than the old one. It matches our FvwmBanner, just nicer. If you want it in another color, tell me. But I think this is a purpose of the logo competition. :) I changed the color a little bit so that it matches the actual window decoration. Maybe we move the logo selection (color selection) to the layout files, so that one layout has a red colorized logo and another one a blue colorized one. I like the actual link colors more than the one I choosen since the actual colors are not that bright. But I think they do not match to the actual steelblue window decor that good. Maybe we use a steelblue color for the links as well. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Minor bug on manpages
Hi there, On the web manual pages the link Return to main index on top of the pages does not seem to use conv_link_target. When this link is used the default layout will be used. Mikhael could you please fix that? You might find it faster than me. I found also links to other man pages which do not belong to fvwm. For example: FvwmConsole refers to xterm man page on localhost. We might link to external man pages on a man page server like http://www.cs.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/man2html?xterm:1 Maybe there is a more official one. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switching to the new web design
Hi there, On 23 Apr 2003 at 10:40:31 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: Yes, this looks much better, I think. Nicely integrated with the page title too and also adds the missing spacing above and below the title. The bullet in the Quick Jumps list looks good. May I suggest to use a different colour for the bullets? At the moment, we have too many different colours: blue (logo), greenish blue (Quick Jumnps), yellow (links), pale pink (selected links), and the colour in the bullets (blueish red). I have attached a new version that uses blue tones instead and is slightly dimmed (in PNG format, gimp does not like GIFs) as a suggestion. And finally, the list of links on the front page should be centered in the window. The actual version uses your bullet and less colors on the same tone. The link and section colors might be a bit too dark. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switching to the new web design
Hi there, On 23 Apr 2003 at 11:31:01 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: I think the yellow links were fine. The current blue is too similar to the section title. You can not distinguish between links, visited links and normal titles anymore. I switched back to yellow links. Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switching to the new web design
Hi there, On 23 Apr 2003 at 13:33:56 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: - The pager is now wider than before (mozilla 1.2.1). The pages do not have 4:3 ratio anymore. It looks more like 2:1 (see attached picture). Yes, I have noticed this as well, but I am not sure why it is like this. I will have a look ... - Despite the additional space, the Mailing List desk still has the 't' cut off. I have given one more character to destop names ;-) - Visited links are not marked with a different colour. Visited links are a bit darker now. - On the logo page, when you move the pointer over one of the pictures, a yellow bar is drawn below them as if there were a link to hilight. Fixed. How do I change the order of the Quick Jumps and their names? Have a look in /index.php and search for insert_quick_jump_list. The names for external links are given there. The names for internal links, means to sub pages, are given by the php-file header in the target file. e.g. in screenshots/desktops.php: ... $link_name = Desktops; ... Says that other pages refering to this pages use Desktops as link name. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switching to the new web design
Hi there, On 23 Apr 2003 at 14:58:57 +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: Yes, I have noticed this as well, but I am not sure why it is like this. I will have a look ... Now it has become even wider, about 5:2. Are you tuning it in the right direction? ;-) I found the bug. Should be fixed now. Visited links are a bit darker now. A bit more, please. Changed to light blue The names for internal links, means to sub pages, are given by the php-file header in the target file. e.g. in screenshots/desktops.php: ... $link_name = Desktops; ... Says that other pages refering to this pages use Desktops as link name. Is that the string that is displayed in the QJ list? Currently, yes. If you want to distiguish between link_name and a quick_jump_name we may add this in the file headers. The link_name may be used if quick_jump_name is not given. navgen.cli must be changed to support this. If you are happy with one link_name and like to change the link name for some pages, don't forget to run navgen afterwards to get a actual navigation.inc. Regards, Uwe -- ,_, Uwe Pross (O,O) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp =--- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at URL:http://www.fvwm.org/. To unsubscribe from the list, send unsubscribe fvwm-workers in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
