Re: [Megillot] falsifying methodology; 3 cases; etc.
Dear Stephen, Some selective responses. (On the Tel Dan Inscription, your comments are both incorrect and out of place on Megillot, and will therefore be ignored.) You wrote: "Russell, your misrepresentation included declaring that there was no evidence other that what you mentioned" Au contraire, you here misrepresent me. I made two very specific declarations in my posting, neither of which conform to your statement: (1) "There is no recorded interaction of Judah the Essene with Alexander Jannaeus, and there is no way of telling how long he lived into the latter's reign, if at all." (2) "In yourreconstructed history of the Essenes, you have some sort of conflict between Judah and Alexander Jannaeus which causes Judah to emigrate from Jerusalem to the Transjordan. There you have him attacked by Alexander Jannaeus. There is no historical record for any of these events, or indeed for antagonism of Alexander Jannaeus for the Essenes." Do you agree? If not, where is the historical record for contact between Judah and Jannaeus, for a hypotheticalemigration of Judah the Essene to Transjordan, or an attack on Judah by Alexander Jannaeus, or antagonism of Alexander Jannaeus for the Essenes? You continued: "whereas you know I that draw on other evidence." I do know that you have advanced certain IMO faulty arguments from Strabo the geographer for Alexander Jannaeus as Wicked Priest that you have declined to discuss on this list. But I don't see how those arguments relate to the specific questions posed above regarding historical sources on an alleged assault on Judah the Essene by Alexander Jannaeus. You wrote: "Local and some foreign groups of every stripe had cause for worry during Jannaeus' long time." Again, I see no basis for this broad assertion in the historical sources. And specifically, no basis in historical sources for a proposed antagonism of Jannaeus and the Essenes. You wrote:"Some things are more readily falsified or more completely falsified than others. Falsification may not be our only tool. Another observation or invitation was to consider the most probable (tentative) reconstruction of history, the confluence of evidence." The basic methodological question as I see it is whether one should insist on systematic historical corroboration from ancient sources for one's proposals, or whether it is acceptable to advancehistorical proposals lacking historical corroboration, or even the possibility of falsification in the sources. If you can't falsify a scientific hypothesis through experimentation or observation, you aren't doing science.If you can't falsify ahistorical hypothesis through reading the sources - the historical analog to observation in the hard sciences - you aren't doing history, IMO. As an example of how this is done, take my historical hypothesis that the scrolls date to the Hellenistic Crisis and Maccabean War. I have already demonstrated the Maccabean backgroundof the War Scroll in articles in DSD, so let us instead here take on the Wicked Priest. During the Hellenistic Crisis we have Onias III, whom II Macc. 3.1; 4.2, 35characterize as a very righteous high priest; Simon the temple captain, his opponent, whom 2 Macc. 3.4-6, 11; 4.1-3 designates as a liar, plotter, and murderer; and Menelaus, whom 2 Macc. 4.23-25, 50 describes as exceedingly wicked - and qualifies as the most wicked high priest of the second temple period. These three make obvious candidates for the Teacher of Righteousness, the Man of Lies, and the Wicked Priest of the scrolls. Focussing exclusively on the hypothesis that Menelaus was the Wicked Priest, we may corroborate the following details: that he "ruled" Israel (with the root moshel=ruler, not malek=king, in 1QpHab 8.9-10); that he "stole" and "seized public money" (2 Macc. 4.32, 39; cf. 1QpHab 8.11-12); that he conspired to assassinate the Teacher of Righteousness in exile (and eventually succeeded, 2 Macc. 4.33-34; cf. 1QpHab 11.4-8; 4QpPs[a] 4.8); that he performed repulsive acts and defiled the sanctuary (the looting and desecration of the temple in 167-164 BCE in 2 Macc. 4.39; 5.15, 21, etc.; cf. 1QpHab 12.8-9); that he "betrayed the law for the sake of riches" (2 Macc. 5.15; cf. 1QpHab 8.10); that he was eventually turned over to the dreadful nations who cruelly executed him (2 Macc. 13.3-8 by suffocation in hot ashes; cf. 1QpHab 9.10; 10.5 by "sulferous fire"). All these historical events described in the scrolls are directly corroborated in conventional historical sources. None of these same events are corroborated for Jonathan, Simon, Alexander Jannaeus, or other Hasmonean Era candidates for Wicked Priest. One could go through the same procedure of testing against the historical data for Onias III as Teacher of Righteousness or Simon as Man of Lies, with similar results. But the basic point is I think amply illustrated: the historical content of the scrolls can and should be systematically tested against the sources, and
Re: [Megillot] falsifying methodology; 3 cases; etc.
Russell Gmirkin, In response: I do not agree with many of your recent statements. I'll mention some and try to look for a more productive way forward than the recent exchange. Briefly, as you called my comments incorrect, G. Athas, on detailed observation, declared that dalets were carved in a direction that, if true, falsifies the proposed scenario that a forger carved the arms of the dalet both toward the left and stopped before a stone break; further, Athas claimed that the dalet goes all the way to the break, that, if true, redundantly falsifies what you described. This is relevant here, because what constitutes falsification, and recognition of it, is at issue. Back to Qumran. You wrote of Strabo the geographer. Strabo, of course, also wrote History. The History, using Posidonios, and used by Josephus and others, is the text that I have presented much information about, again too long to repeat here. (The Histories of Posidonius and Strabo, both beginning in 146 BCE--the date Josephus borrowed to introduce Essenes and others--were once quite influential, in the time many extant Essene classical sources, many of the Stoics, got their information, but the histories fell out of favor, for reasons discussed in the literature.) Strabo's History in many ways is a more important and more ambitious work than his Geography, and it included much not in the Geography, so calling him Strabo the geographer will not do. Anyone is free to disagree with a history reconstruction. I have presented historical corroboration. You state that I have not, and you state that you have. In my view, it has not been demonstrated that the Hellenizing crisis or Maccabee proposed dating fits the evidence, though that was once a popular view. I suggest it is too early for the events named, and that it lacks corroborating Hellenistic crisis focus in the Qumran mss, and that it fails to account for the sectarian texts of Qumran. I could present these in more detail. But I wonder whether that is worthwhile at this point. In part, because I see differing levels of evidence required by you for your reconstruction than for mine. For example, your canditate has been described as wicked; so has my candidate; yet, in your post, the former is credited as evidence, and the latter is not credited as evidence. You state a candidate for, say, wicked priest, and present that candidate as falsifiable. I state a candidate for wicked priest, and--unless I read incorrectly--you implied that my canditate is not falsifiable. I could go on in response, but perhaps this much suffices for now. On one thing, at least, I think we partly agree, so I'll end with that. You wrote that these events did not happen in a corner. I partly agree. I do not think everything mentioned in the Qumran mss was necessarily public and well known, in part because Essenes and Qumran writers had some secret and/or sectarian writings. But I agree that the character they called wicked priest would be an individual known to history. One way to determine which well-known candidate fits is to pay more attention to chronology and to sectarian developments. best, Stephen Goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot
[Megillot] dead sea scrolls for sale....?
Listers may be very interested in this story: http://www.thepilot.com/features/r031605Scrolls.html (i've attempted to blog this morning but blogger seems to have been killed- so maybe I can blog this later if its revived) -- Jim West Biblical Studies Resources - http://web.infoave.net/~jwest Biblical Theology Weblog - http://biblical-studies.blogspot.com ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot
P.S. Re: [Megillot] falsifying methodology; 3 cases; etc.
P.S. I could address further claims in R. Gmirkin's latest post, and will, if seems useful. And corroboration and coherence and chronological-suitability, for instance, are all among important aspects of worthy proposals. But I would like to state more clearly than I did before that the Qumran mss also offer some new information on history, including information not available already in, say, Josephus, and the other currently available sources--some things not previously known--and that Qumran texts also help illuminate some of those sources. best, Stephen Goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot
[Megillot] dead sea scrolls for sale....? - PseudoJubilees??
The article doesn't specify what the new fragments are, but the mention of Hanan Eshel makes me think of the one recent reference to new Qumran fragments that I've seen in a scholarly publication, namely the extra fragment 6a of 4Q226 Pseudo-Jubilees included with the edition of this text on p. 114 of Parabiblical Texts (The Dead Sea Scrolls Reader vol 3.), ed. Parry and Tov, Leiden: Brill 2005. The fragment, a fuller publication of which is said to be forthcoming in DSD, seems to refer to the Aqedah. The full text is something like ] God to Abraha[m I]saac his son Take the [... ] and the angel of [Y]HWH [ Does anyone know, whether the new fragment(s) referred to in the article forwarded by Jim could be this? all the best Soren, Copenhagen -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] på vegne af Jim West Sendt:16. marts 2005 14:45 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; g-megillot@McMaster.ca Emne: [Megillot] dead sea scrolls for sale? Listers may be very interested in this story: http://www.thepilot.com/features/r031605Scrolls.html (i've attempted to blog this morning but blogger seems to have been killed- so maybe I can blog this later if its revived) -- Jim West Biblical Studies Resources - http://web.infoave.net/~jwest Biblical Theology Weblog - http://biblical-studies.blogspot.com ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot
Re: [Megillot] dead sea scrolls for sale....? - PseudoJubilees??
I'd need to check papers at home to be more sure, and I don't have DSSR 3 at hand, but, I think, tentatively, yes, this is one of the fragments mentioned in the article and on display in the Ink and Blood exhibit, there called a Genesis fragment. Photo: http://www.inkandblood.com/wysiwyg- uploads/files/downloadable_graphics/Genesis_Frag-hi.jpg best, Stephen Goranson Quoting Søren Holst [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The article doesn't specify what the new fragments are, but the mention of Hanan Eshel makes me think of the one recent reference to new Qumran fragments that I've seen in a scholarly publication, namely the extra fragment 6a of 4Q226 Pseudo-Jubilees included with the edition of this text on p. 114 of Parabiblical Texts (The Dead Sea Scrolls Reader vol 3.), ed. Parry and Tov, Leiden: Brill 2005. The fragment, a fuller publication of which is said to be forthcoming in DSD, seems to refer to the Aqedah. The full text is something like ] God to Abraha[m I]saac his son Take the [... ] and the angel of [Y]HWH [ Does anyone know, whether the new fragment(s) referred to in the article forwarded by Jim could be this? all the best Soren, Copenhagen -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:g-megillot- [EMAIL PROTECTED] på vegne af Jim West Sendt: 16. marts 2005 14:45 Til:[EMAIL PROTECTED]; g-megillot@McMaster.ca Emne: [Megillot] dead sea scrolls for sale? Listers may be very interested in this story: http://www.thepilot.com/features/r031605Scrolls.html (i've attempted to blog this morning but blogger seems to have been killed- so maybe I can blog this later if its revived) -- Jim West Biblical Studies Resources - http://web.infoave.net/~jwest Biblical Theology Weblog - http://biblical-studies.blogspot.com ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot
[Megillot] dead sea scrolls for sale....? - PseudoJubilees??
The picture certainly fits DSSR 3 perfectly thanks Soren -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] på vegne af Stephen Goranson Sendt:16. marts 2005 16:46 Til: g-megillot@McMaster.ca Emne: Re: [Megillot] dead sea scrolls for sale? - PseudoJubilees?? I'd need to check papers at home to be more sure, and I don't have DSSR 3 at hand, but, I think, tentatively, yes, this is one of the fragments mentioned in the article and on display in the Ink and Blood exhibit, there called a Genesis fragment. Photo: http://www.inkandblood.com/wysiwyg-uploads/files/downloadable_graphics/Genesis_Frag-hi.jpg best, Stephen Goranson Quoting Søren Holst [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The article doesn't specify what the new fragments are, but the mention of Hanan Eshel makes me think of the one recent reference to new Qumran fragments that I've seen in a scholarly publication, namely the extra fragment 6a of 4Q226 Pseudo-Jubilees included with the edition of this text on p. 114 of Parabiblical Texts (The Dead Sea Scrolls Reader vol 3.), ed. Parry and Tov, Leiden: Brill 2005. The fragment, a fuller publication of which is said to be forthcoming in DSD, seems to refer to the Aqedah. The full text is something like ] God to Abraha[m I]saac his son Take the [... ] and the angel of [Y]HWH [ Does anyone know, whether the new fragment(s) referred to in the article forwarded by Jim could be this? all the best Soren, Copenhagen -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:g-megillot- [EMAIL PROTECTED] på vegne af Jim West Sendt:16. marts 2005 14:45 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; g-megillot@McMaster.ca Emne: [Megillot] dead sea scrolls for sale? Listers may be very interested in this story: http://www.thepilot.com/features/r031605Scrolls.html (i've attempted to blog this morning but blogger seems to have been killed- so maybe I can blog this later if its revived) -- Jim West Biblical Studies Resources - http://web.infoave.net/~jwest Biblical Theology Weblog - http://biblical-studies.blogspot.com ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot
Re: [Megillot] dead sea scrolls for sale....? - PseudoJubilees??
That's worth $10,000,000? How much is 1QUsa-a worth? Andy - Original Message - From: Søren Holst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: g-megillot@McMaster.ca Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:50 AM Subject: [Megillot] dead sea scrolls for sale? - PseudoJubilees?? The picture certainly fits DSSR 3 perfectly thanks Soren -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] på vegne af Stephen Goranson Sendt: 16. marts 2005 16:46 Til: g-megillot@McMaster.ca Emne: Re: [Megillot] dead sea scrolls for sale? - PseudoJubilees?? I'd need to check papers at home to be more sure, and I don't have DSSR 3 at hand, but, I think, tentatively, yes, this is one of the fragments mentioned in the article and on display in the Ink and Blood exhibit, there called a Genesis fragment. Photo: http://www.inkandblood.com/wysiwyg-uploads/files/downloadable_graphics/Genesis_Frag-hi.jpg best, Stephen Goranson Quoting Søren Holst [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The article doesn't specify what the new fragments are, but the mention of Hanan Eshel makes me think of the one recent reference to new Qumran fragments that I've seen in a scholarly publication, namely the extra fragment 6a of 4Q226 Pseudo-Jubilees included with the edition of this text on p. 114 of Parabiblical Texts (The Dead Sea Scrolls Reader vol 3.), ed. Parry and Tov, Leiden: Brill 2005. The fragment, a fuller publication of which is said to be forthcoming in DSD, seems to refer to the Aqedah. The full text is something like ] God to Abraha[m I]saac his son Take the [... ] and the angel of [Y]HWH [ Does anyone know, whether the new fragment(s) referred to in the article forwarded by Jim could be this? all the best Soren, Copenhagen -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:g-megillot- [EMAIL PROTECTED] på vegne af Jim West Sendt: 16. marts 2005 14:45 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; g-megillot@McMaster.ca Emne: [Megillot] dead sea scrolls for sale? Listers may be very interested in this story: http://www.thepilot.com/features/r031605Scrolls.html (i've attempted to blog this morning but blogger seems to have been killed- so maybe I can blog this later if its revived) -- Jim West Biblical Studies Resources - http://web.infoave.net/~jwest Biblical Theology Weblog - http://biblical-studies.blogspot.com ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot
Re: [Megillot] dead sea scrolls for sale....? - PseudoJubilees??
Pardon my lapse, but what's DSSR 3? On Wednesday 16 March 2005 08:50, Søren Holst wrote: The picture certainly fits DSSR 3 perfectly thanks Soren -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] på vegne af Stephen Goranson Sendt:16. marts 2005 16:46 Til:g-megillot@McMaster.ca Emne: Re: [Megillot] dead sea scrolls for sale? - PseudoJubilees?? I'd need to check papers at home to be more sure, and I don't have DSSR 3 at hand, but, I think, tentatively, yes, this is one of the fragments mentioned in the article and on display in the Ink and Blood exhibit, there called a Genesis fragment. Photo: http://www.inkandblood.com/wysiwyg-uploads/files/downloadable_graphics/Ge nesis_Frag-hi.jpg best, Stephen Goranson Quoting Søren Holst [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The article doesn't specify what the new fragments are, but the mention of Hanan Eshel makes me think of the one recent reference to new Qumran fragments that I've seen in a scholarly publication, namely the extra fragment 6a of 4Q226 Pseudo-Jubilees included with the edition of this text on p. 114 of Parabiblical Texts (The Dead Sea Scrolls Reader vol 3.), ed. Parry and Tov, Leiden: Brill 2005. The fragment, a fuller publication of which is said to be forthcoming in DSD, seems to refer to the Aqedah. The full text is something like ] God to Abraha[m I]saac his son Take the [... ] and the angel of [Y]HWH [ Does anyone know, whether the new fragment(s) referred to in the article forwarded by Jim could be this? all the best Soren, Copenhagen -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:g-megillot- [EMAIL PROTECTED] på vegne af Jim West Sendt: 16. marts 2005 14:45 Til:[EMAIL PROTECTED]; g-megillot@McMaster.ca Emne: [Megillot] dead sea scrolls for sale? Listers may be very interested in this story: http://www.thepilot.com/features/r031605Scrolls.html (i've attempted to blog this morning but blogger seems to have been killed- so maybe I can blog this later if its revived) -- Jim West Biblical Studies Resources - http://web.infoave.net/~jwest Biblical Theology Weblog - http://biblical-studies.blogspot.com ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot -- Dave Washburn http://www.nyx.net/~dwashbur No good. Hit on head. -Gronk ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot
[Megillot] What's DSSR? [was DSS for sale]
Sorry about that. DSSR is the newest text edition: The Dead Sea Scrolls Reader, ed. Parry and Tov, Leiden: Brill 2004-2005. Six paperback volumes. Reproduces text and translation, often in improved and updated versions, of ALL of the non-biblical Qumran DJD volumes + all the stuff published outside of DJD (one of the MAJOR benefits is a brand new Hodayot edition by M. Abegg and others in vol 5). NOT included is the non-Qumran stuff (Daliyeh, Muraba'at, Masada -- also not the Cairo CD text), the biblical Qumran scrolls, and of course the entire commentary and notes-on-readings aspect of DJD and other editions. Diacritics to indicate uncertain readings ARE included though. I wouldn't have minded a more precise index to tell you exactly where a text is, but still it seems the best single edition around - and semi-portable too! :-) http://www.brill.nl/product_id11247.htm kol tuv Soren -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] på vegne af Dave Washburn Sendt:16. marts 2005 17:34 Til: g-megillot@McMaster.ca Emne: Re: [Megillot] dead sea scrolls for sale? - PseudoJubilees?? Pardon my lapse, but what's DSSR 3? On Wednesday 16 March 2005 08:50, Søren Holst wrote: The picture certainly fits DSSR 3 perfectly ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot
[Megillot] the teacher and the high priest?
It has sometimes been stated that the teacher of righteousness had either served as the high priest or had expected to be named the high priest. Is there good reason to state that? best, Stephen Goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot
Re: [Megillot] What's DSSR? [was DSS for sale]
On Wednesday 16 March 2005 09:52, Søren Holst wrote: [snip] I wouldn't have minded a more precise index to tell you exactly where a text is, but still it seems the best single edition around - and semi-portable too! :-) I'm not sure what kind of index you mean, but for a handy-dandy index of biblical passages in both biblical and nonbiblical scrolls, there's always this book: http://www.brill.nl/product_id11094.htm (forgive the shameless plug...) http://www.brill.nl/product_id11247.htm kol tuv Soren -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] på vegne af Dave Washburn Sendt: 16. marts 2005 17:34 Til:g-megillot@McMaster.ca Emne: Re: [Megillot] dead sea scrolls for sale? - PseudoJubilees?? Pardon my lapse, but what's DSSR 3? On Wednesday 16 March 2005 08:50, Søren Holst wrote: The picture certainly fits DSSR 3 perfectly ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot -- Dave Washburn http://www.nyx.net/~dwashbur No good. Hit on head. -Gronk ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot
Re: [Megillot] the teacher and the high priest?
No - it's just an inductive argument, first made by Stegemann, if memory serves. _Dierk - Original Message - From: Stephen Goranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: g-megillot@McMaster.ca Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 6:57 PM Subject: [Megillot] the teacher and the high priest? It has sometimes been stated that the teacher of righteousness had either served as the high priest or had expected to be named the high priest. Is there good reason to state that? best, Stephen Goranson ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot
[Megillot] D.L. Washburn: A Catalog of Biblical Passages in the Dead Sea Scrolls
Dave, I have your book and greatly appreciate it's contribution to scrolls work :-) What I was thinking about was something much simpler: The DSSR has the texts organized by genre rather than Q sigla (as DJD itself), so when I want 4Q365a I may have to do a bit of rummaging about to discover on precisely what page of what volume it occurs. An index for that would have been great. I hear Parry Tov are working on a revised one- or two volume version - they may have supplied an index when that comes out. all the best Soren -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p vegne af Dave Washburn Sendt: on 16-03-2005 18:56 Til: g-megillot@McMaster.ca Cc: Emne: Re: [Megillot] What's DSSR? [was DSS for sale] On Wednesday 16 March 2005 09:52, Sren Holst wrote: [snip] I wouldn't have minded a more precise index to tell you exactly where a text is, but still it seems the best single edition around - and semi-portable too! :-) I'm not sure what kind of index you mean, but for a handy-dandy index of biblical passages in both biblical and nonbiblical scrolls, there's always this book: http://www.brill.nl/product_id11094.htm (forgive the shameless plug...) http://www.brill.nl/product_id11247.htm kol tuv Soren -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] p vegne af Dave Washburn Sendt: 16. marts 2005 17:34 Til:g-megillot@McMaster.ca Emne: Re: [Megillot] dead sea scrolls for sale? - PseudoJubilees?? Pardon my lapse, but what's DSSR 3? On Wednesday 16 March 2005 08:50, Sren Holst wrote: The picture certainly fits DSSR 3 perfectly ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot -- Dave Washburn http://www.nyx.net/~dwashbur No good. Hit on head. -Gronk ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot
Re: [Megillot] D.L. Washburn: A Catalog of Biblical Passages in the Dead Sea Scrolls
On Wednesday 16 March 2005 11:49, Sren Holst wrote: Dave, I have your book and greatly appreciate it's contribution to scrolls work :-) Thanks. It's nice to know it's being used. What I was thinking about was something much simpler: The DSSR has the texts organized by genre rather than Q sigla (as DJD itself), so when I want 4Q365a I may have to do a bit of rummaging about to discover on precisely what page of what volume it occurs. An index for that would have been great. I hear Parry Tov are working on a revised one- or two volume version - they may have supplied an index when that comes out. Doesn't Garcia-Martinez' study edition have them arranged in numerical order? all the best Soren -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p vegne af Dave Washburn Sendt: on 16-03-2005 18:56 Til: g-megillot@McMaster.ca Cc: Emne: Re: [Megillot] What's DSSR? [was DSS for sale] On Wednesday 16 March 2005 09:52, Sren Holst wrote: [snip] I wouldn't have minded a more precise index to tell you exactly where a text is, but still it seems the best single edition around - and semi-portable too! :-) I'm not sure what kind of index you mean, but for a handy-dandy index of biblical passages in both biblical and nonbiblical scrolls, there's always this book: http://www.brill.nl/product_id11094.htm (forgive the shameless plug...) http://www.brill.nl/product_id11247.htm kol tuv Soren -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] p vegne af Dave Washburn Sendt: 16. marts 2005 17:34 Til:g-megillot@McMaster.ca Emne: Re: [Megillot] dead sea scrolls for sale? - PseudoJubilees?? Pardon my lapse, but what's DSSR 3? On Wednesday 16 March 2005 08:50, Sren Holst wrote: The picture certainly fits DSSR 3 perfectly ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot -- Dave Washburn http://www.nyx.net/~dwashbur No good. Hit on head. -Gronk ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot -- Dave Washburn http://www.nyx.net/~dwashbur No good. Hit on head. -Gronk ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot
Re: [Megillot] D.L. Washburn: A Catalog of Biblical Passages in the Dead Sea Scrolls
I've used it too, Dave. Andy - Original Message - From: Dave Washburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: g-megillot@McMaster.ca Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [Megillot] D.L. Washburn: A Catalog of Biblical Passages in the Dead Sea Scrolls On Wednesday 16 March 2005 11:49, Sren Holst wrote: Dave, I have your book and greatly appreciate it's contribution to scrolls work :-) Thanks. It's nice to know it's being used. What I was thinking about was something much simpler: The DSSR has the texts organized by genre rather than Q sigla (as DJD itself), so when I want 4Q365a I may have to do a bit of rummaging about to discover on precisely what page of what volume it occurs. An index for that would have been great. I hear Parry Tov are working on a revised one- or two volume version - they may have supplied an index when that comes out. Doesn't Garcia-Martinez' study edition have them arranged in numerical order? all the best Soren -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p vegne af Dave Washburn Sendt: on 16-03-2005 18:56 Til: g-megillot@McMaster.ca Cc: Emne: Re: [Megillot] What's DSSR? [was DSS for sale] On Wednesday 16 March 2005 09:52, Sren Holst wrote: [snip] I wouldn't have minded a more precise index to tell you exactly where a text is, but still it seems the best single edition around - and semi-portable too! :-) I'm not sure what kind of index you mean, but for a handy-dandy index of biblical passages in both biblical and nonbiblical scrolls, there's always this book: http://www.brill.nl/product_id11094.htm (forgive the shameless plug...) http://www.brill.nl/product_id11247.htm kol tuv Soren -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] p vegne af Dave Washburn Sendt: 16. marts 2005 17:34 Til:g-megillot@McMaster.ca Emne: Re: [Megillot] dead sea scrolls for sale? - PseudoJubilees?? Pardon my lapse, but what's DSSR 3? On Wednesday 16 March 2005 08:50, Sren Holst wrote: The picture certainly fits DSSR 3 perfectly ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot -- Dave Washburn http://www.nyx.net/~dwashbur No good. Hit on head. -Gronk ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot -- Dave Washburn http://www.nyx.net/~dwashbur No good. Hit on head. -Gronk ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot
[Megillot] What's DSSR? [was DSS for sale]
The DSSR has the texts organized by genre rather than Q sigla (as DJD itself), so when I want 4Q365a I may have to do a bit of rummaging about to discover on precisely what page of what volume it occurs. An index for that would have been great. I hear Parry Tov are working on a revised one- or two volume version - they may have supplied an index when that comes out. Doesn't Garcia-Martinez' study edition have them arranged in numerical order? Absolutely. That's one of the few points where it may have an advantage over DSSR. On the other hand there may be numerous advantages (e.g. when teaching) to having all texts of a specific class in the same place. The last volume of DSSR has an index that tells you in what volume to find a given Q number - but not on what page, so after that you have to go browse through the contents page of that volume. Still it's a wonderful edition, and my bickering is quite unfair :-) Soren ___ g-Megillot mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot
