Re: [gecko]sick Uroplatus henkeli
I've got the info on Susan's new company, please e-mail me privately for it. Julie B. Neil Meister wrote: Hi Jared, Extra Ca (snails, or oral with a dropper) will usually prevent crashes. I haven't used UV for a few years, it might help, but if you're dusting with something with D3, it doesn't seem necessary. The enterals that Susan Donaghue used to sell are great for breeding Uroplatus. I think they are available through a new company, but I don't have contact info at hand. 5 months is quite long for incubation. Most hatch in 90-120 days. at 68-77F. What are your temperatures? I'm curious to know how cool they will incubate. Neil Neil Meister Promotions Secretary Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com President Nova Scotia Herpetoculture Society http://users.eastlink.ca/~nshs On 20-Aug-06, at 7:11 PM, Jared Morris wrote: Thanks for the kind words and thought Elizibeth, Julie, Neil, and everyone. As far as the other 1.1 go, they are looking great. I am keeping them together still (under a much more watchfull eye, but upping the surviving female's Ca intake juyst to be safe. I am also replacing the UV lights, and adding some Miner-all 0. Miner-all 0, since it does not contain D3, because I already supply UV and I supplement with Rep-Cal Ca+D3 intermittently with pure CaCO3). It is kind of a bitter-sweet irony that the day I began to see the female go down hill, her first egg hatched... after over 5 months incubating! That baby is doing well. On Aug 20, 2006, at 12:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jared ~ I, too, am very sorry about the passing of your female Uro. The pain, at least when my geckos die, seems greater the longer one has had the gecko, but, nonetheless, it still hurts. It seems like she left a little one behind for you and other eggs ;-} No doubt, as vigilant with supplementation as you have been, some of your techniques may change. (Neil are you there?) Each of us can learn from improved husbandry recommendations! Any news on how your remaining 1.1 are doing? So sorry, Elizabeth Jared, Uros are really tricky, especially when they decline in health. Sorry about your loss. You can use her death to better the rest of your Uros though, so it is not in vain. Julie B. Jared Morris wrote: > Your message made it, Neil, Unfortunately, my gecko did not. She was > looking pretty good for the last two nights, and was taking babyfood/ > Ca by dropper, but this morning I found her dead on the floor of her > cage. That is one seriously painful lesson learned on my part. God > I feel awful. > > On Aug 19, 2006, at 9:29 PM, Neil Meister wrote: > >> Hi Jared, >> >> I hope this gets through, I haven't had much luck posting lately. >> >> You're on the right track. If you have only been dusting insects and >> she has been laying eggs, she is far most likely to be hypo. >> I've seen the symptoms you described in several Uroplatus. >> Often they will come around with diligent oral Ca supplementation. >> Usually they will start to feed on their own if they start to recover. >> I'd recommend feeding a liquid diet with a dropper to start with over >> force feeding. It takes patience, but is still easier on you and the >> gecko. >> Often you can drip liquids on their snout and eventually they will >> start to lick >> it off. >> >> Neil >> >> >> On 16-Aug-06, at 7:52 PM, Jared Morris wrote: >> >>> >>> So, I'm going to continue oral calcium and vitamin supplements, >>> keep her well hydrated and fed (assuming she'll eat on her own - I >>> hate the idea of tube feeding, but I have done it on Uromastyx and >>> Cordylus species on a few occasions with good results. And above >>> all, I'll keep my hopes up - please do the same for me, and I'll >>> keep you all updated with her condition. >>> >>> Thanks everyone, for all your help and support. >>> >>> Jared ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkot
Re: [gecko]sick Uroplatus henkeli
Hi Jared, Extra Ca (snails, or oral with a dropper) will usually prevent crashes. I haven't used UV for a few years, it might help, but if you're dusting with something with D3, it doesn't seem necessary. The enterals that Susan Donaghue used to sell are great for breeding Uroplatus. I think they are available through a new company, but I don't have contact info at hand. 5 months is quite long for incubation. Most hatch in 90-120 days. at 68-77F. What are your temperatures? I'm curious to know how cool they will incubate. Neil Neil Meister Promotions Secretary Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com President Nova Scotia Herpetoculture Society http://users.eastlink.ca/~nshs On 20-Aug-06, at 7:11 PM, Jared Morris wrote: Thanks for the kind words and thought Elizibeth, Julie, Neil, and everyone. As far as the other 1.1 go, they are looking great. I am keeping them together still (under a much more watchfull eye, but upping the surviving female's Ca intake juyst to be safe. I am also replacing the UV lights, and adding some Miner-all 0. Miner-all 0, since it does not contain D3, because I already supply UV and I supplement with Rep-Cal Ca+D3 intermittently with pure CaCO3). It is kind of a bitter-sweet irony that the day I began to see the female go down hill, her first egg hatched... after over 5 months incubating! That baby is doing well. On Aug 20, 2006, at 12:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jared ~ I, too, am very sorry about the passing of your female Uro. The pain, at least when my geckos die, seems greater the longer one has had the gecko, but, nonetheless, it still hurts. It seems like she left a little one behind for you and other eggs ;-} No doubt, as vigilant with supplementation as you have been, some of your techniques may change. (Neil are you there?) Each of us can learn from improved husbandry recommendations! Any news on how your remaining 1.1 are doing? So sorry, Elizabeth Jared, Uros are really tricky, especially when they decline in health. Sorry about your loss. You can use her death to better the rest of your Uros though, so it is not in vain. Julie B. Jared Morris wrote: > Your message made it, Neil, Unfortunately, my gecko did not. She was > looking pretty good for the last two nights, and was taking babyfood/ > Ca by dropper, but this morning I found her dead on the floor of her > cage. That is one seriously painful lesson learned on my part. God > I feel awful. > > On Aug 19, 2006, at 9:29 PM, Neil Meister wrote: > >> Hi Jared, >> >> I hope this gets through, I haven't had much luck posting lately. >> >> You're on the right track. If you have only been dusting insects and >> she has been laying eggs, she is far most likely to be hypo. >> I've seen the symptoms you described in several Uroplatus. >> Often they will come around with diligent oral Ca supplementation. >> Usually they will start to feed on their own if they start to recover. >> I'd recommend feeding a liquid diet with a dropper to start with over >> force feeding. It takes patience, but is still easier on you and the >> gecko. >> Often you can drip liquids on their snout and eventually they will >> start to lick >> it off. >> >> Neil >> >> >> On 16-Aug-06, at 7:52 PM, Jared Morris wrote: >> >>> >>> So, I'm going to continue oral calcium and vitamin supplements, >>> keep her well hydrated and fed (assuming she'll eat on her own - I >>> hate the idea of tube feeding, but I have done it on Uromastyx and >>> Cordylus species on a few occasions with good results. And above >>> all, I'll keep my hopes up - please do the same for me, and I'll >>> keep you all updated with her condition. >>> >>> Thanks everyone, for all your help and support. >>> >>> Jared
Re: [gecko]sick Uroplatus henkeli
Thanks for the kind words and thought Elizibeth, Julie, Neil, and everyone. As far as the other 1.1 go, they are looking great. I am keeping them together still (under a much more watchfull eye, but upping the surviving female's Ca intake juyst to be safe. I am also replacing the UV lights, and adding some Miner-all 0. Miner-all 0, since it does not contain D3, because I already supply UV and I supplement with Rep-Cal Ca+D3 intermittently with pure CaCO3). It is kind of a bitter-sweet irony that the day I began to see the female go down hill, her first egg hatched... after over 5 months incubating! That baby is doing well.On Aug 20, 2006, at 12:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Jared ~ I, too, am very sorry about the passing of your female Uro. The pain, at least when my geckos die, seems greater the longer one has had the gecko, but, nonetheless, it still hurts. It seems like she left a little one behind for you and other eggs ;-} No doubt, as vigilant with supplementation as you have been, some of your techniques may change. (Neil are you there?) Each of us can learn from improved husbandry recommendations! Any news on how your remaining 1.1 are doing? So sorry, Elizabeth Jared, Uros are really tricky, especially when they decline in health. Sorry about your loss. You can use her death to better the rest of your Uros though, so it is not in vain. Julie B. Jared Morris wrote: > Your message made it, Neil, Unfortunately, my gecko did not. She was > looking pretty good for the last two nights, and was taking babyfood/ > Ca by dropper, but this morning I found her dead on the floor of her > cage. That is one seriously painful lesson learned on my part. God > I feel awful. > > On Aug 19, 2006, at 9:29 PM, Neil Meister wrote: > >> Hi Jared, >> >> I hope this gets through, I haven't had much luck posting lately. >> >> You're on the right track. If you have only been dusting insects and >> she has been laying eggs, she is far most likely to be hypo. >> I've seen the symptoms you described in several Uroplatus. >> Often they will come around with diligent oral Ca supplementation. >> Usually they will start to feed on their own if they start to recover. >> I'd recommend feeding a liquid diet with a dropper to start with over >> force feeding. It takes patience, but is still easier on you and the >> gecko. >> Often you can drip liquids on their snout and eventually they will >> start to lick >> it off. >> >> Neil >> >> >> On 16-Aug-06, at 7:52 PM, Jared Morris wrote: >> >>> >>> So, I'm going to continue oral calcium and vitamin supplements, >>> keep her well hydrated and fed (assuming she'll eat on her own - I >>> hate the idea of tube feeding, but I have done it on Uromastyx and >>> Cordylus species on a few occasions with good results. And above >>> all, I'll keep my hopes up - please do the same for me, and I'll >>> keep you all updated with her condition. >>> >>> Thanks everyone, for all your help and support. >>> >>> Jared
Re: [gecko]sick Uroplatus henkeli
Jared ~ I, too, am very sorry about the passing of your female Uro. The pain, at least when my geckos die, seems greater the longer one has had the gecko, but, nonetheless, it still hurts. It seems like she left a little one behind for you and other eggs ;-} No doubt, as vigilant with supplementation as you have been, some of your techniques may change. (Neil are you there?) Each of us can learn from improved husbandry recommendations! Any news on how your remaining 1.1 are doing? So sorry, Elizabeth Jared, Uros are really tricky, especially when they decline in health. Sorry about your loss. You can use her death to better the rest of your Uros though, so it is not in vain. Julie B. Jared Morris wrote: > Your message made it, Neil, Unfortunately, my gecko did not. She was > looking pretty good for the last two nights, and was taking babyfood/ > Ca by dropper, but this morning I found her dead on the floor of her > cage. That is one seriously painful lesson learned on my part. God > I feel awful. > > On Aug 19, 2006, at 9:29 PM, Neil Meister wrote: > >> Hi Jared, >> >> I hope this gets through, I haven't had much luck posting lately. >> >> You're on the right track. If you have only been dusting insects and >> she has been laying eggs, she is far most likely to be hypo. >> I've seen the symptoms you described in several Uroplatus. >> Often they will come around with diligent oral Ca supplementation. >> Usually they will start to feed on their own if they start to recover. >> I'd recommend feeding a liquid diet with a dropper to start with over >> force feeding. It takes patience, but is still easier on you and the >> gecko. >> Often you can drip liquids on their snout and eventually they will >> start to lick >> it off. >> >> Neil >> >> >> On 16-Aug-06, at 7:52 PM, Jared Morris wrote: >> >>> >>> So, I'm going to continue oral calcium and vitamin supplements, >>> keep her well hydrated and fed (assuming she'll eat on her own - I >>> hate the idea of tube feeding, but I have done it on Uromastyx and >>> Cordylus species on a few occasions with good results. And above >>> all, I'll keep my hopes up - please do the same for me, and I'll >>> keep you all updated with her condition. >>> >>> Thanks everyone, for all your help and support. >>> >>> Jared >> >> Neil Meister >> >> Promotions Secretary >> Global Gecko Association >> http://www.gekkota.com >> >> President >> Nova Scotia Herpetoculture Society >> http://users.eastlink.ca/~nshs
Re: [gecko]sick Uroplatus henkeli and test
Jared, Uros are really tricky, especially when they decline in health. Sorry about your loss. You can use her death to better the rest of your Uros though, so it is not in vain. Julie B. Jared Morris wrote: Your message made it, Neil, Unfortunately, my gecko did not. She was looking pretty good for the last two nights, and was taking babyfood/ Ca by dropper, but this morning I found her dead on the floor of her cage. That is one seriously painful lesson learned on my part. God I feel awful. On Aug 19, 2006, at 9:29 PM, Neil Meister wrote: Hi Jared, I hope this gets through, I haven't had much luck posting lately. You're on the right track. If you have only been dusting insects and she has been laying eggs, she is far most likely to be hypo. I've seen the symptoms you described in several Uroplatus. Often they will come around with diligent oral Ca supplementation. Usually they will start to feed on their own if they start to recover. I'd recommend feeding a liquid diet with a dropper to start with over force feeding. It takes patience, but is still easier on you and the gecko. Often you can drip liquids on their snout and eventually they will start to lick it off. Neil On 16-Aug-06, at 7:52 PM, Jared Morris wrote: So, I'm going to continue oral calcium and vitamin supplements, keep her well hydrated and fed (assuming she'll eat on her own - I hate the idea of tube feeding, but I have done it on Uromastyx and Cordylus species on a few occasions with good results. And above all, I'll keep my hopes up - please do the same for me, and I'll keep you all updated with her condition. Thanks everyone, for all your help and support. Jared Neil Meister Promotions Secretary Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com President Nova Scotia Herpetoculture Society http://users.eastlink.ca/~nshs ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]sick Uroplatus henkeli and test
Your message made it, Neil, Unfortunately, my gecko did not. She was looking pretty good for the last two nights, and was taking babyfood/ Ca by dropper, but this morning I found her dead on the floor of her cage. That is one seriously painful lesson learned on my part. God I feel awful. On Aug 19, 2006, at 9:29 PM, Neil Meister wrote: Hi Jared, I hope this gets through, I haven't had much luck posting lately. You're on the right track. If you have only been dusting insects and she has been laying eggs, she is far most likely to be hypo. I've seen the symptoms you described in several Uroplatus. Often they will come around with diligent oral Ca supplementation. Usually they will start to feed on their own if they start to recover. I'd recommend feeding a liquid diet with a dropper to start with over force feeding. It takes patience, but is still easier on you and the gecko. Often you can drip liquids on their snout and eventually they will start to lick it off. Neil On 16-Aug-06, at 7:52 PM, Jared Morris wrote: So, I'm going to continue oral calcium and vitamin supplements, keep her well hydrated and fed (assuming she'll eat on her own - I hate the idea of tube feeding, but I have done it on Uromastyx and Cordylus species on a few occasions with good results. And above all, I'll keep my hopes up - please do the same for me, and I'll keep you all updated with her condition. Thanks everyone, for all your help and support. Jared Neil Meister Promotions Secretary Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com President Nova Scotia Herpetoculture Society http://users.eastlink.ca/~nshs ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]sick Uroplatus henkeli and test
Hi Jared, I hope this gets through, I haven't had much luck posting lately. You're on the right track. If you have only been dusting insects and she has been laying eggs, she is far most likely to be hypo. I've seen the symptoms you described in several Uroplatus. Often they will come around with diligent oral Ca supplementation. Usually they will start to feed on their own if they start to recover. I'd recommend feeding a liquid diet with a dropper to start with over force feeding. It takes patience, but is still easier on you and the gecko. Often you can drip liquids on their snout and eventually they will start to lick it off. Neil On 16-Aug-06, at 7:52 PM, Jared Morris wrote: So, I'm going to continue oral calcium and vitamin supplements, keep her well hydrated and fed (assuming she'll eat on her own - I hate the idea of tube feeding, but I have done it on Uromastyx and Cordylus species on a few occasions with good results. And above all, I'll keep my hopes up - please do the same for me, and I'll keep you all updated with her condition. Thanks everyone, for all your help and support. Jared Neil Meister Promotions Secretary Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com President Nova Scotia Herpetoculture Society http://users.eastlink.ca/~nshs ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]sick Uroplatus henkeli
Jared ~ This gecko is lucky to have such a caring owner. I support your difficult decisions. Hopefully, she will pull through with the added calcium. Is it possible that she has laid all the eggs that you mentioned yesterday? Is the other female younger, but still maybe mature enough to lay eggs? I've never had Uroplatus. My female Oedura castelnaui never seem to have visible endolymphatic glands, yet are laying eggs. There one needs to take caution when the Oc tails begin to narrow. Elizabeth In a message dated 8/16/06 3:53:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I actually don't have much of a choice about the vet right now anyway... My wife and I just can't afford the services right now, or at least not if I want to replace the UV lights above their enclosure, and get a new supplement to balance out any inconsistencies in the RepCal products... some non-D3 Miner-all, I think. I could put it on the card, but it's just not worth it in the end - I feel that she is just too sick and stressed to have a vet poking and prodding her right now. If she improves, I may consider taking her in for an exam in a couple months. I know this decision may ruffle some feathers, but I believe the state of vet science right now doesn't justify going. The vet I was going to take her to is quite experienced, but she has never seen a Uroplatus in person, much less treated one. Furthermore, it is just a small clinic, not UC Davis, and I just don't think they will be able to do much without hurting her more than helping her. I can't imagine her getting sub-q fluids or a calcium shot without loosing her tail, and after reviewing my Frye "Reptile Care" volumes, I think a Ca injection might be more dangerous than beneficial, as they can cause heart and liver problems in small animals, especially those that are stressed. So, I'm going to continue oral calcium and vitamin supplements, keep her well hydrated and fed (assuming she'll eat on her own - I hate the idea of tube feeding, but I have done it on Uromastyx and Cordylus species on a few occasions with good results. And above all, I'll keep my hopes up - please do the same for me, and I'll keep you all updated with her condition. Thanks everyone, for all your help and support. Jared
Re: [gecko]sick Uroplatus henkeli
I actually don't have much of a choice about the vet right now anyway... My wife and I just can't afford the services right now, or at least not if I want to replace the UV lights above their enclosure, and get a new supplement to balance out any inconsistencies in the RepCal products... some non-D3 Miner-all, I think. I could put it on the card, but it's just not worth it in the end - I feel that she is just too sick and stressed to have a vet poking and prodding her right now. If she improves, I may consider taking her in for an exam in a couple months. I know this decision may ruffle some feathers, but I believe the state of vet science right now doesn't justify going. The vet I was going to take her to is quite experienced, but she has never seen a Uroplatus in person, much less treated one. Furthermore, it is just a small clinic, not UC Davis, and I just don't think they will be able to do much without hurting her more than helping her. I can't imagine her getting sub-q fluids or a calcium shot without loosing her tail, and after reviewing my Frye "Reptile Care" volumes, I think a Ca injection might be more dangerous than beneficial, as they can cause heart and liver problems in small animals, especially those that are stressed. So, I'm going to continue oral calcium and vitamin supplements, keep her well hydrated and fed (assuming she'll eat on her own - I hate the idea of tube feeding, but I have done it on Uromastyx and Cordylus species on a few occasions with good results. And above all, I'll keep my hopes up - please do the same for me, and I'll keep you all updated with her condition. Thanks everyone, for all your help and support. Jared
Re: [gecko]sick Uroplatus henkeli
- Original Message - From: Jared Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:59 am Subject: Re: [gecko]sick Uroplatus henkeli To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com > Actually, her chalk sacs are very minimal... so it could still be > hypo, not hyper, calcemia. Exactly. Keith "got snails?" Benson ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]sick Uroplatus henkeli
Actually, her chalk sacs are very minimal... so it could still be hypo, not hyper, calcemia. On Aug 16, 2006, at 5:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Elizabeth... after doing some searching and thinking, I think I may be at fault... My overzealous supplementation may have caused Hypercalcemia. There is such a thing as too much of a good thing I guess. I'll keep the list posted. Have her radiographed and check out her chalk sacs. Uros can sometimes be calcium de-pleted even with zealous supplementation. There is definately such a thing as too much of a good thing. Keith ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]sick Uroplatus henkeli
> > >> Thanks Elizabeth... after doing some searching and thinking, > I think > >> I may be at fault... My overzealous supplementation may have > caused > >> Hypercalcemia. There is such a thing as too much of a good > thing I > >> guess. > >> > >> I'll keep the list posted. Have her radiographed and check out her chalk sacs. Uros can sometimes be calcium de-pleted even with zealous supplementation. There is definately such a thing as too much of a good thing. Keith ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]sick Uroplatus henkeli
PS Jared ~ How are the other 1.1 Uroplatus henkeli of this trio faring? Elizabeth So sorry to hear this Jared. There always IS too much of a good thing. Not that it makes your gecko's dilemma any easier to bear, but you have shared these difficulties, so we all can learn. Elizabeth Thanks Elizabeth... after doing some searching and thinking, I think I may be at fault... My overzealous supplementation may have caused Hypercalcemia. There is such a thing as too much of a good thing I guess. I'll keep the list posted. Jared > > Best wishes in discovering the cause of this female's difficulties > in time for a cure, Jared. Please keep the list posted. > > Elizabeth
Re: [gecko]sick Uroplatus henkeli
So sorry to hear this Jared. There always IS too much of a good thing. Not that it makes your gecko's dilemma any easier to bear, but you have shared these difficulties, so we all can learn. Elizabeth Thanks Elizabeth... after doing some searching and thinking, I think I may be at fault... My overzealous supplementation may have caused Hypercalcemia. There is such a thing as too much of a good thing I guess. I'll keep the list posted. Jared > > Best wishes in discovering the cause of this female's difficulties > in time for a cure, Jared. Please keep the list posted. > > Elizabeth
Re: [gecko]sick Uroplatus henkeli
Thanks Elizabeth... after doing some searching and thinking, I think I may be at fault... My overzealous supplementation may have caused Hypercalcemia. There is such a thing as too much of a good thing I guess. I'll keep the list posted. Jared Best wishes in discovering the cause of this female's difficulties in time for a cure, Jared. Please keep the list posted. Elizabeth plays with geckos l ll ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ (~~) ~~ ~~ (~~ ) () () ( ) () lappert(a) robert(a)hubert(a) 17.75 yor.i.p. r.i.p. (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!) ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
Re: [gecko]sick Uroplatus henkeli
In a message dated 8/15/06 10:06:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj:[gecko]sick Uroplatus henkeli Date:8/15/06 10:06:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jared Morris) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: gecko@lists.gekkota.com To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com So I was just walking past the big viv with my trio of U. henkeli, when I heard a weird hissing noise. I looked in to find my large, normally robust, female lying on the ground looking dead. Turns out she's not dead, but she may be heading in that direction - she is displaying these symptoms: Aggression when handled, left rear leg paralysis, toe twitching on the same leg, and her tail is curled in on itself along its length. Just last night I sprayed them down, and fed them, and she ate two roaches and drank heavily, so I am really perplexed by this sudden turn for the worse. Anyone have this problem before, or have any ideas? I can only think of three distinct possibilities 1)egg binding 2)calcium deficiency or even overdoes 3)Gut impaction. I've got her separated and hopefully I can get a good stool sample to see if it could even be something microbial. She is only one year old, but she is quite large, weighing in at about 56-60 grams. She has always eaten well and has laid no more than four clutches so far, two single, and either one or two doubles (I have two females in the enclosure, so it is often hard to tell who laid what). I dust with calcium at every feed, alternating between RepCal Ca+D3 and pure pharmaceutical grade CaCO3, and RepCal Herptivite once a week. I feed gut loaded Lobster roaches which I breed as feeders. When they began laying, I also began giving each female a once monthly dose of .125 ml Calcium Glubionate syrup, administered by injection into a feeder roach. I'll be getting into the vet as soon as possible for either an appointment or, god forbid, a necropsy. Wish me luck, and let me know if you have any ideas or advice. Thanks, Jared Best wishes in discovering the cause of this female's difficulties in time for a cure, Jared. Please keep the list posted. Elizabeth plays with geckos l l l ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ ^^ /..\ ^^ l l ^^ \\\ l l /// l l \\\ l l ~~ /// ~~ ( ~~ ) ~~ ~~ ( ~~ ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) lappert(a) robert(a) hubert(a) 17.75 yo r.i.p. r.i.p. (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!)
[gecko]sick Uroplatus henkeli
So I was just walking past the big viv with my trio of U. henkeli, when I heard a weird hissing noise. I looked in to find my large, normally robust, female lying on the ground looking dead. Turns out she's not dead, but she may be heading in that direction - she is displaying these symptoms: Aggression when handled, left rear leg paralysis, toe twitching on the same leg, and her tail is curled in on itself along its length. Just last night I sprayed them down, and fed them, and she ate two roaches and drank heavily, so I am really perplexed by this sudden turn for the worse. Anyone have this problem before, or have any ideas? I can only think of three distinct possibilities 1)egg binding 2)calcium deficiency or even overdoes 3)Gut impaction. I've got her separated and hopefully I can get a good stool sample to see if it could even be something microbial. She is only one year old, but she is quite large, weighing in at about 56-60 grams. She has always eaten well and has laid no more than four clutches so far, two single, and either one or two doubles (I have two females in the enclosure, so it is often hard to tell who laid what). I dust with calcium at every feed, alternating between RepCal Ca+D3 and pure pharmaceutical grade CaCO3, and RepCal Herptivite once a week. I feed gut loaded Lobster roaches which I breed as feeders. When they began laying, I also began giving each female a once monthly dose of .125 ml Calcium Glubionate syrup, administered by injection into a feeder roach. I'll be getting into the vet as soon as possible for either an appointment or, god forbid, a necropsy. Wish me luck, and let me know if you have any ideas or advice. Thanks, Jared ___ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
