Re: [gentoo-user] system with no network needs updates
On Apr 5, 2005, at 7:54 pm, Grant wrote: PS and I dont see how the line in the wiki could have worked well unless emerge -fp used to have different behavior. Thanks a lot Eugene, that second line worked great. Let me know if I should update the wiki: gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Gentoo_for_dialup_users Yes, you should. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] system with no network needs updates
On Apr 5, 2005, at 1:27 am, Grant wrote: Each line in your links.txt is a list of different mirror urls for the same package separated by '%20'. This should take the first link from every line and pass it to wget: cat links.txt | sed -e 's/%20.*//' | xargs -n 1 wget or alternatively: sed -e 's/%20.*//' links.txt links1.txt wget -i links1.txt ... Actually that first line of code ends up trying to download the same file over and over. Won't wget's -c flag resolve this? IE: sed -e 's/%20.*//' links.txt links1.txt wget -ci links1.txt or perhaps (I haven't tested): sed -e 's/%20.*//' links.txt links1.txt | wget -ci In any case `man wget` is your friend. I think there are a bunch of different paths specified for each file so it can always find one that works. Uh.. that's the point. The file is a list of full paths to the file(s) on all the mirrors specified in the make.conf on the machine that created it. Thus one can be sure that when one takes the links.txt to another machine downloads the files it won't fail simply because a single mirror is inaccessible. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] adding to the wiki
On Apr 3, 2005, at 4:39 am, Grant wrote: I tried your code with similar strange results. I can not figure that thing out. Any chance you can post te URL to the article you're writing, so I can see? Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] system with no network needs updates
On Apr 4, 2005, at 1:25 am, Grant wrote: Looking a little closer at the output of 'wget -i links.txt' : --17:14:20-- http://distfiles.gentoo.org/distfiles/sysvinit-2.86.tar.gz%20http:/ distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/distfiles/sysvinit -2.86.tar.gz%20ftp:/ftp.cistron.nl/pub/people/miquels/software/ sysvinit-2.86.tar.gz%20ftp:/sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/daemons/ init/sysvinit-2.86.tar.gz = `sysvinit-2.86.tar.gz' Connecting to distfiles.gentoo.org[216.165.129.135]:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found 17:14:20 ERROR 404: Not Found. In links.txt each of the paths for any given file are concatenated (correct usage?) with a space character, and wget is trying to fetch the entire string. Does anyone know how to make wget use this file properly? $ sed 's/%20/ /' http://distfiles.gentoo.org/distfiles/sysvinit-2.86.tar.gz%20http:/ distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/distfiles/sysvinit -2.86.tar.gz%20ftp:/ftp.cistron.nl/pub/people/miquels/software/ sysvinit-2.86.tar.gz%20ftp:/sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/daemons/ init/sysvinit-2.86.tar.gz http://distfiles.gentoo.org/distfiles/sysvinit-2.86.tar.gz http:/distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/distfiles/ sysvinit-2.86.tar.gz%20ftp:/ftp.cistron.nl/pub/people/miquels/software/ sysvinit-2.86.tar.gz%20ftp:/sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/daemons/ init/sysvinit-2.86.tar.gz Please trim your postings, Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] system with no network needs updates
On Apr 2, 2005, at 8:22 pm, Grant wrote: ...I think what I need to do is fetch a few packages on another system, burn them to a CD, and copy them from the CD to the appropriate places on the network-less system. For baselayout, would I want to get and put /usr/portage/sys-apps/baselayout/* ? To copy over only /usr/portage/sys-apps/baselayout/ is inelegant - it brings in only the ebuilds for baselayout, which might depend on other packages in the tree. The best thing to do is grab a whole Portage snapshot on a network connected machine - you'll find these at [UK mirror] http://gentoo.blueyonder.co.uk/snapshots/. When you've copied this across to the networkless machine unpacked it the right place you can then find out what packages to download by typing `emerge -pf world`. This should give you a whole list of URLs which you can wget from the networked machine. The Gentoo Wiki has an article about this - http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Gentoo_for_dialup_users. If you see any room for tidying, please update it - I think the Updating the portage tree section should come a the beginning, not the end?? Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] restricted IMAP configuration
On Apr 2, 2005, at 11:24 pm, Grant wrote: I'm using email as the clock in/clock out mechanism for my employees and I'd like to make sure they can only do that when they're at work. Is there an IMAP client that will let me hide the password once it's set up? That should be enough right there. U... can't you firewall it so that the IMAP server can only be accessed from inside the building? Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] restricted IMAP configuration
On Apr 3, 2005, at 2:06 am, Grant wrote: I'm using email as the clock in/clock out mechanism for my employees and I'd like to make sure they can only do that when they're at work. Is there an IMAP client that will let me hide the password once it's set up? That should be enough right there. U... can't you firewall it so that the IMAP server can only be accessed from inside the building? I should have said the server is on my remote machine. Sorry for not broadening my approach here, but why not firewall the remote machine so it only accepts IMAP connections from the office's IP address? Your users _could_ spoof their IP addresses, but they're unlikely to do so just to beat the time clock. If you need to access IMAP yourself from other locations, have it listen on another port (to which the office IP is firewalled out). Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] adding to the wiki
On Apr 3, 2005, at 3:06 am, Grant wrote:
I can't figure this out. I tried to add this to the wiki:
== Burning ISO images with cdrecord ==
This is a section title, so should be shown at the top of the preview
page.
Here is a pretty self-explanatory line for burning an ISO image to a
CD with cdrecord:
{{Box_Code|Burn the ISO image:|
# cdrecord -dev=/dev/cdrom blank=fast ~/image.iso
}}
I think the # needs a space before it to indicate that it's
preformatted.
I usually use something like:
{{Box_Code|Burn the ISO image:|
pre
# cdrecord -dev=/dev/cdrom blank=fast ~/image.iso
/pre
}}
If in doubt, copy paste from the edit box of some other article
that displays right.
But since it is a single line of code, it might be more appropriate to
use:
Here is a pretty self-explanatory line for burning an ISO image to a
CD with cdrecord:
br
{{Codeline|cdrecord -dev=/dev/cdrom blank=fast ~/image.iso}}
p
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Re: [gentoo-user] sometimes internet works only after /etc/init.d/net.eth0 restart
On Mar 31, 2005, at 8:01 pm, Antonio Coralles wrote: Maybe this is also helpfull: Portage 2.0.51.19 (default-linux/x86/2004.3, gcc-3.3.5, glibc-2.3.4.20041102-r1, 2.6.10-gentoo-r6 i686) Which version of baselayout are you using, please? I can't pretend to be an expert on it, but I have done some experimentation with the testing ebuilds around 1.11.10 this sort of behaviour sounds kinda familliar. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo for the Windows NT Kernel
On Apr 1, 2005, at 5:59 pm, Leo wrote: Is the part about MS buying the posix interface it true? I can't believe I fell for this even if just for the 5 minutes I though about how useless running linux on the NT kernel would be. I'd like to have that second sentence framed hung on the wall of every corporate manager on the planet. It won't make any difference, of course, but the engineers will at least be able to point at it afterwards and say we told you so. I'm not sure of the details, and whether the project is completed or under development, but Microsoft do indeed intend that one should be able to run Linux apps on their XP server products. I _think_ this is via system calls rather than a virtual machine, but I don't really know - I'm sure a Google would reveal more. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Users and errors (was: help line 6: B: command not found FIXED, user error in config file...)
On Mar 30, 2005, at 2:20 pm, Dave Nebinger wrote: 2. Totally configurable via gui - no low-level file editing. As power users this is something that we want/need, but the windows user expects to pull up a dialog for the program and click checkboxes to turn things on and off. I can just imagine the dialogs necessary to configure something like postfix or sendmail ;-) This is exactly why Windows is so aggravating - mandatory GUI configuration is Windows' major failing, IMO. All applications have idiosyncratic, unexpected, or just plain quirky behaviour, and many have bugs. Trying to document or reproduce that from a GUI perspective is a nightmare. Can you imagine being trying to reproduce the behaviour to file a bug report saying if the `update file progress' checkbox on the `server statistics' tab is checked when the application is running in `silent mode` then uploads will stall unless the `apply' button is pressed on the `configuration' window prior to exiting the menu? Yet such a bug is quite conceivable. Let's compare that with a similar bug report for a Linux application - changing config file to say UPDATE_FILE_PROGRESS=1 causes uploads to stall when `/etc/init.d/msexchange reload` is called. Isn't that much easier? No wonder changes to the registry are so often needed on Windows machines in order to configure advanced behaviour. If you can imagine the dialogs necessary to configure something like postfix or sendmail, then perhaps that's because you've worked on MS Exchange. Or even Outlook! Software is a compromise, and if you have a powerful, versatile application then you will by necessity have many configuration options; there comes a point at which wrapping those up in a GUI is no longer beneficial, as administrators have to wade through through different menus and dialog boxes in order to find them. Certainly this is no problem for experienced admins undertaking familiar tasks, but it's easy to forget a single step of even a frequently-used procedure - the alternative of a single configuration file allows one to edit from top to bottom, safe in the knowledge that no configuration options are hidden by an advanced button or an inadequately-labelled checkbox. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] a closet server
On Mar 29, 2005, at 4:21 am, Grant wrote: Where do you guys go when you want a barebones server for the closet? I've built machines before but it seems like it might make more sense to buy one these days. http://tinyurl.com/53r2z No connection, just a happy customer. I got a quad-Xeon with hot-swappable SCSI RAID hot-swappable PSUs from this guy for £79. You *know* you want one. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] a closet server
On Mar 29, 2005, at 6:03 am, Jerry McBride wrote: On Monday 28 March 2005 10:21 pm, Grant wrote: Where do you guys go when you want a barebones server for the closet? I've built machines before but it seems like it might make more sense to buy one these days. How much horsepower do you want? I get my servers at Walmart for $149.00. After I sell of the unneeded accessories, it ends up costing me less than $100.00. Works great for mundane server duties, but not suited for high performance demands The name of the product? XBOX by microsoft. About the only thing they make right and price right and runs gentoo beautifully. I was thinking about this just the other day - could an Xbox handle IMAP for 3 or 4 users, do you think? I'd really like an Xbox that would handle that for 10. I heard that older Xboxes run Linux more easily - do current ones need chipping in order to do so? Thanks, Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Ssh DSA/RSA log in
On Mar 29, 2005, at 4:51 pm, Pupeno wrote: Je Lundo Marto 28 2005 06:26, Henrik Andersson skribis: you may have to check file permisson of authorized_keys ... I don't think that's my problem: Not being paying attention, because this has always worked for me, so apologies if you've already checked: $ ls -l /etc/ssh/sshd_config -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2747 Jul 27 2004 /etc/ssh/sshd_config $ grep -ie RSAAuthentication -ie PubkeyAuthentication -ie AuthorizedKeysFile /etc/ssh/sshd_config #RSAAuthentication yes #PubkeyAuthentication yes #AuthorizedKeysFile .ssh/authorized_keys #RhostsRSAAuthentication no # RhostsRSAAuthentication and HostbasedAuthentication $ Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] suggestions: buying a new computer
On Mar 30, 2005, at 4:51 am, Peter Gordon wrote: A. Khattri wrote: I have to agree: SCSI disks just blow away IDE drives in terms of performance under heavy load. From experiences with SCSI RAID setups on the servers where I work, SCSI disks also blow away IDE drivers in terms of noise too ;-) PARDON? Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Wireless went kaboom
On Mar 27, 2005, at 8:24 pm, Jason Cooper wrote: /etc/init.d/net.wlan0 start: Starting wlan0 Configuring wireless network for wlan0 Couldn't associate with any access points on wlan0 Failed to configure wireless for wlan0 I've recently had the same trouble with gentoo's init scripts, hence, the above command. Have you tried reporting it as a bug? Uberlord is making quite active development on the next generation network configuration at the moment. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Wireless went kaboom
On Mar 27, 2005, at 7:41 pm, Ed Jabbour wrote: /etc/conf.d/wireless is unchanged from when it worked, as is /etc/conf.d/net. The symlinks in /etc/init.d are also unchanged.I have baselayout 1.11.10-r4. That's an unstable baselayout isn't it? I don't have a current Gentoo box up right now on which to check, but I think at least it's quite recent. Check out /etc/conf.d/net.example /etc/conf.d/wireless.example if you have them - I think that if you do you might find there are quite a few changes in the way configuration should be made. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] yarmouth?
On Mar 25, 2005, at 4:34 pm, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: During gentoolkit emerge: Unpacking source... Unpacking gentoolkit-0.2.0.tar.gz to /var/tmp/portage/gentoolkit-0.2.0/work Source unpacked. echo YARMOUTH (vb.) To shout at foreigners in the belief that the louder you speak, the better they'll understand you. YARMOUTH (vb.) To shout at foreigners in the belief that the louder you speak, the better they'll understand you. echo `python-config | sed 's/-l//' | sed 's/ -lm.*//'` Where does that message come from? It's from the book The Meaning Of Liff which I thought, appropriately enough for the ebuild, was written by members of the Monty Python team. However a Google would have told you that Douglas Adamns is the author. http://tinyurl.com/5wsz4 I would imagine the ebuild is just checking to ensure that the echo command works. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo on a MiniMac?
On Mar 24, 2005, at 1:53 am, Christoph Eckert wrote: Guess you didn't look very hard. Errr, OK, I'm just on holidays so I have no access to the machine, but I'd bet that there was no fstab at all as I tried to check it out. Maybe its existance depends on any environment parameters? Under Jaguar it used to contain comments along the lines of this is unused, except during the boot process. don't modify it, but don't bother using it, either. The Panther /etc/fstab/ is more terse, but I'm sure the situation is the same. I think this is why jnichols said :P in his post. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] sys-libs/glibc-2.3.4 b0rkage with segmentation fault
Any suggestions? I get this as part of an `emerge -u world`
System is a Duron 1300 installed from a stage 3 two or three months
ago. I was running with -j5 distcc, but reset those as shown in
`emerge info` below to reproduce. Remerging now with CCACHE disabled.
I refuse to believe the problem might be bad memory, as I'm a stubborn
bugger this machine has been up running for some weeks, compiling
everything else with no problems.
Thanks for any suggestions,
Stroller.
ti_ET.UTF-8... done
tig_ER.UTF-8... done
tl_PH.ISO-8859-1... done
tr_TR.UTF-8...LC_MONETARY: value of field `int_curr_symbol' does not
correspond to a valid name in ISO 4217
done
tr_TR.ISO-8859-9...LC_MONETARY: value of field `int_curr_symbol' does
not correspond to a valid name in ISO 4217
done
tt_RU.UTF-8... done
uk_UA.UTF-8... done
uk_UA.KOI8-U... done
ur_PK.UTF-8... done
uz_UZ.ISO-8859-1... done
[EMAIL PROTECTED] done
vi_VN.TCVN5712-1... done
vi_VN.UTF-8... done
wa_BE.ISO-8859-1... done
[EMAIL PROTECTED] done
wa_BE.UTF-8... done
xh_ZA.UTF-8... done
xh_ZA.ISO-8859-1... done
yi_US.CP1255... done
zh_CN.GB18030... done
zh_CN.GBK... done
zh_CN.UTF-8... done
zh_CN.GB2312... done
zh_HK.UTF-8... done
zh_HK.BIG5-HKSCS... done
zh_SG.GBK... done
zh_SG.GB2312... done
zh_TW.EUC-TW... done
zh_TW.UTF-8... done
zh_TW.BIG5... done
zu_ZA.UTF-8... done
zu_ZA.ISO-8859-1... done
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/glibc-2.3.4.20041102-r1/work/glibc-2.3.3/localedata'
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/glibc-2.3.4.20041102-r1/work/glibc-2.3.3'
* Installing man pages and docs...
/usr/portage/sys-libs/glibc/glibc-2.3.4.20041102-r1.ebuild: line 1006:
21980 Segmentation fault env LD_LIBRARY_PATH=${D}/$(get_libdir)
${x} /dev/null
!!! ERROR: sys-libs/glibc-2.3.4.20041102-r1 failed.
!!! Function src_install, Line 1008, Exitcode 139
!!! simple run test (ls) failed
!!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, NOT this status
message.
$ emerge info
Portage 2.0.51.19 (default-linux/x86/2004.3, gcc-3.3.5,
glibc-2.3.4.20040808-r1, 2.6.9-gentoo-r13 i686)
=
System uname: 2.6.9-gentoo-r13 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) Processor
Gentoo Base System version 1.6.10
Python: dev-lang/python-2.3.4-r1 [2.3.4 (#1, Feb 22 2005,
16:31:53)]
distcc 2.16 i686-pc-linux-gnu (protocols 1 and 2) (default port 3632)
[disabled]ccache version 2.3 [enabled]
dev-lang/python: 2.3.4-r1
sys-devel/autoconf: 2.59-r6, 2.13
sys-devel/automake: 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.5, 1.4_p6, 1.6.3, 1.9.4
sys-devel/binutils: 2.15.92.0.2-r1
sys-devel/libtool: 1.5.10-r4
virtual/os-headers: 2.4.22-r1
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=x86
AUTOCLEAN=yes
CFLAGS=-march=athlon-xp -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer
CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CONFIG_PROTECT=/etc /usr/kde/2/share/config /usr/kde/3/share/config
/usr/share/config /var/qmail/control
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK=/etc/gconf /etc/terminfo /etc/env.d
CXXFLAGS=-O2 -mcpu=i686 -pipe
DISTDIR=/usr/portage/distfiles
FEATURES=autoaddcvs autoconfig ccache distlocks sandbox sfperms
GENTOO_MIRRORS=http://distfiles.gentoo.org
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo;
MAKEOPTS=-j1
PKGDIR=/usr/portage/packages
PORTAGE_TMPDIR=/var/tmp
PORTDIR=/usr/portage
SYNC=rsync://rsync.europe.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage
USE=x86 apm arts atm avi berkdb bitmap-fonts crypt cups curl emboss
encode extensions font-server foomaticdb fortran gdbm gif gtk2 imlib
jpeg justify kde libg++ libwww mad mikmod motif mp3 mpeg ncurses nls
oggvorbis opengl oss pam pdflib perl pica png python qt quicktime
readline sdl slang spell ssl svga tcpd tiff truetype truetype-fonts
type1-fonts xml2 xmms xv zlib
Unset: ASFLAGS, CBUILD, CTARGET, LANG, LC_ALL, LDFLAGS, PORTDIR_OVERLAY
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Re: [gentoo-user] sys-libs/glibc-2.3.4 b0rkage with segmentation fault
On Mar 24, 2005, at 2:01 pm, Dave Nebinger wrote:
CFLAGS=-march=athlon-xp -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer
CXXFLAGS=-O2 -mcpu=i686 -pipe
You really should try to match your CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS. It's safer
that
way.
Ooops thanks for pointing that out.
$ grep FLAGS /etc/make.conf
CFLAGS=-march=athlon-xp -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer
# If you set a CFLAGS above, then this line will set your default C++
flags to
#CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS}
I had always believed that the last line above was not simply
commented out but was also a comment to indicate that CXXFLAGS would
default to CFLAGS, or you could set it here. Looks like I was mistaken.
In any case, setting CXXFLAGS correctly has made no difference. :(
A bit of searching suggested that dev-perl/Locale-gettext might be
responsible for stuff associated with `env
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=${D}/$(get_libdir), so I just remerged that am
trying again glibc. Any other suggestions whilst I waitr to see if
that worked would be very gratefully received, however.
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Re: [gentoo-user] glibc-2.3.4.20041102-r1
I have a similar error, see my posting sys-libs/glibc-2.3.4 b0rkage
with segmentation fault, March 24, 2005 12:00:57 pm GMT.
I originally didn't notice the similarity with LostSon's problem,
because his postings display funny on my Mac for some reason, but I
consistently get a segmentation fault referring to `env
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=${D}/$(get_libdir) ` at a different line of emerging
glibc-2.3.4.20041102-r1.
Stroller.
On Mar 24, 2005, at 11:28 pm, Stanislaw Jesmanowicz wrote:
I have the same error, the same line in /usr/lib/portage/bin/ebuild.sh
And I am using gentoo on my Tecra laptop for some time already ...
* On Thu Mar-24-2005 at 03:38:13 AM +, LostSon said:
[...]
Ok still failing with this error
* Installing man pages and docs...
/usr/lib/portage/bin/ebuild.sh: line 1874: 32219 Segmentation fault
env LD_LIBRARY_PATH=${D}/$(get_libdir) ${x} /dev/null
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo on a MiniMac?
On Mar 25, 2005, at 1:33 am, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:31:20 -0800 Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | So that's a pretty cool idea to me anyway. What percentage of programs | in portage will work when compiled within OS X? Very few. Our OS X port is mismanaged, misimplemented and basically doomed to failure. Ciaran, I'm not saying you're wrong or anything - you're clearly far better qualified than I am to post on any of the subjects you do - but do you have a little magic 8-ball or something that you run when you get up in the morning, which tells you who you're gonna alienate today? Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] glibc-2.3.4.20041102-r1
On Mar 25, 2005, at 6:44 am, D. Wokan wrote: Sarpy Sam wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:58:56 -0600, LostSon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow i dont rember this happening before. Glibc is over 24 hours and still running. I dont remember this taking so long b4. Its on my laptop which is a 1.2ghz amd with 256 megs of ram. This seems a little weird to me that it is taking this long any opions ?? KDE 3.4 only took 12 hours to compile. Im confused. -- I thought it was only me. I have only been at it 11 hours but I am really begining to wonder about it. Consider yourselves lucky. I can't even compile it without getting a segfault during the localedata phase. Doesn't it say later in the thread that LostSon has the same problem. As do I. Could you post the last dozen lines of your output, please? If you need to reattempt the emerge of glibc in order to do this then you may find it's quicker with USE=userlocales. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] find + ls + grep + cp + CLI + Bash madness
On Feb 17, 2005, at 8:42 am, Ow Mun Heng wrote:
On Sat, 2005-01-15 at 08:10, Matt Wilson wrote:
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daniel wrote:
| On January 14, 2005 01:19 pm, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
|
|On Friday 14 January 2005 07:00 am, Ow Mun Heng
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| you could probably use:
|
| $ find . -type f -maxdepth 1 -name '*gentoo*' -print0 | \
| xargs -0 --replace mv {} /path/to/new/dir/
I'm always a little confused as to why people always jump to suggest
the
use of xargs when find's -exec works perfectly well;
$ find . -type f -maxdepth 1 -name *gentoo* -exec mv {}
/path/to/new/dir/ \;
Is there any particular reason why people would recommend using xargs
over -exec?
I may not be correct, but reading through xargs and some other docs,
suggest that there is a _limit_ on the # of arguments accepted on the
CLI before it gets too many arguments
It can also be much faster - I use xargs in a script which finds all
files in $MAILDIR/$JUNK newer than .bogofilter/wordlist.db and calls
bogofilter with the add to spam database flags, then does the same
thing in all non-junk directories, adding to the ham database.
Using `find -newerthan whatever -print0 | xargs -0 bogofilter -s -v -B
` completes in seconds a database rebuild (working upon thousands
thousands of messages) that takes over 40 minutes using `find
-newerthan whatever -exec bogofilter -n -v -B \{} \;`.
I also believe that xargs saves problems with whitespace quoting in
the filename.
Stroller.
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[gentoo-user] How many days have elapsed?
Hihi, I needed just now to count today how many days have elapsed since the 3rd of January. Rather than reach for a calendar and count days arduously, I figured this was a task very suited to a computer. I'm sure, however, my solution took me longer than the manual one would have - can anyone suggest a better one? I know that `date` can provide the date in seconds since the epoc, and after a couple of readings of the `man` page I discovered that `info date` is FAR more comprehendible. $ date +%s 1107845877 $ date +%s -d '3 Jan' 1104710400 Ok... so a Google for Bash mathematics turns up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bash#Integer_mathematics, and after some experimentation I came up with: $ echo $(( $((`date +%s` - `date --date='3 Jan' +%s`)) / 60 / 60 / 24 )) That's a pretty unmemorable command, however, and next time I want to work out how many days have elapsed since $ARBITRARY_DATE I'll have to look up how to do it again. Can anyone suggest a more concise command line, please? I'm sure I'm missing something obvious like the bash-builtin command `dayssince` or `emerge cal-tools` - what I really want to do is type `how many days since 3rd January` and get the answer. Gold stars will not be awarded for telling me to make my own alias in .bash_profile. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] problem with emerge of gnome
On Feb 15, 2004, at 5:32 pm, Stroller wrote: Downloading http://www.mikmod.org/files/libmikmod/libmikmod-3.1.10.tar.gz --04:15:30-- http://www.mikmod.org/files/libmikmod/libmikmod-3.1.10.tar.gz When I click on this URL in my mail-client it opens a browser. Try it now: http://www.mikmod.org/files/libmikmod/libmikmod-3.1.10.tar.gz It seems the URL for the file has changed, or a typo has been made. I forgot to say: please file a bug for this issue at http://bugs.gentoo.org/ TY, Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Mail confirmation requests
On Feb 15, 2004, at 5:42 pm, Jeff Smelser wrote: On Sunday 15 February 2004 10:13 am, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: ... That might require a little work on your part to train it and perhaps some scripts to automate some useful processes, but that is what I use and my false positive rate is 0% and my false negative rate is about 3% (meaning it catches 97% of the spam). What Bayes filter is good for this?? My Spamassissin isn't catching all my spam. I like Bogofilter. It needs some scripting to handle training, which is a bit of a chore to set-up. Let me know if you want copies of mine, which seem to work pretty well. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Mail confirmation requests
On Feb 15, 2004, at 7:18 pm, Grendel wrote: There was a article about spam on freshmeat sometime back, please take a look at it and make a decision. http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/964/ The training database used in this article was too small (c 1200 messages). As you know, Bayesian spam-filters depend upon learning the spamminess of emails from the content of already determined messages. If the training database is too small then results will not be of a predictable accuracy. The maintainers of Bogofilter recommend that 5000 emails is a good size, and their tuning utility is known to give fallacious results with less than a couple of thousand results. In Paul Graham's original A Plan For Spam Article, he states that he used databases of 4000 each of ham spam email, and if you subscribe to the Bogofilter mailing list you will see that test comparisons are regularly made using 20,000 emails. This is not to say that those numbers of messages are required before Bogofilter, or any other statistical-analysis tool, will be useful, but due to the essential similarity of the statistical approach used by the filters reviewed, I would guess that empirical results cannot be relied upon with smaller databases. In Grahams Better Bayesian Filtering article he quotes a paper given in 1998 by Pantel and Lin which tends to confirm this - their filter only caught 92% of spam, with 1.16% false positives. Graham remarks that 92% is a fairly poor success rate by the standards of his results, and the first possible cause of this that he suggests is the low volume of messages tested by Pantel and Lin - only c 620 messages in total. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] UT2004
On Feb 15, 2004, at 9:49 pm, Brendan Sullivan wrote: For any gamers out there, UT2004 demo is out for linux. www.unrealtournament.com My linux box is too slow for gaming so unfortunately i can only test it for windows, but the tar.bz2 is available. Hopefully they'll realease the linux installer with the game like they did for 2003. Pay attention! $ locate ut2004 | grep ebuild /usr/portage/games-fps/ut2004-demo/ut2004-demo-3120.ebuild Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Mail confirmation requests
On Feb 15, 2004, at 10:27 pm, Ralph Slooten wrote: On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:09:58 + Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: only caught 92% of spam, with 1.16% false positives. So far I've been running it (bmf) for a week Note that the figure of 92% did *NOT* refer to bmf or Bogofilter, but to a filter written only for some tests done c 1998. So far I've been running it (bmf) for a week (yes wow, lol, but hear me out ;-) ), and it's gotten 100% of the approx 70+ spams I've received. Initially 2 good mails got through, but it's simply a matter of reprocessing those 2 incorrect mails through bmf again, stating they are incorrectly detected as spam, and you're set.. That's not *actually* 100%, then is it..? It's about (77/79*100)% = 97.4%. [1] That seems to me to be a very good figure for a brand-new database - that's because you have wisely used a large corpus to train with. In terms of general success rates of Bayesian filters, however, it's not particularly stunning. You will probably find that the next spam to slip through isn't for a week or two, and your success rate will get higher. For my good mail I fed it with most of my my friends ... and from all the mailing lists I belong to from this 2 weeks +-(can be downloaded from their monthly archives if need be). For me, this is would be unrepresentative, because all my messages I receive from mailing lists are filtered into folders based on headers such as List-Post: - there's no advantage in statistically classifying them. For each mail caught as spam, the database automatically updates itself with any new contents of that mail, making it learn as it's catching mails. I regard this as risky business - if you fail to reclassify any mistakes, then the filter will be more likely to make errors in future. You do state that bmf allows you to reclassify mistakes, but IMO it's better only to add spam/ham messages to the token database when the user specifically requests them. It's quick easy enough to review a week's worth of messages in the suspected-spam folder drag them to the confirmed-spam folder, and for me a false-positive is FAR more worrying than several false-negatives. Once you have a large enough database (I think maybe 20,000+ messages), it's worth no longer training it on messages that the filter has caught correctly. If you train it only on messages that it has failed to classify correctly (called training-on-error) those messages will have a stronger impact on the database, and lead to higher accuracy in future. Stroller. [1] I'm using 79 as an arbitrary figure to estimate your term 70+. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Mail confirmation requests
On Feb 16, 2004, at 12:02 am, Grendel wrote: A Plan For Spam Article, he states that he used databases of 4000 each of ham spam email, and if you subscribe to the Bogofilter Well obviously you have researched this subject in detail and its a pleasure to discuss this with you. You flatter me, Grendel. I just like to understand how things work, is all. Perhaps I remember well where I read thing - I had to Google for those figures, but they were easy to find. 1. It is better that if the 4000 spam is your own spam, ie not ones downloaded from spamarchive.com or anywhere else... Indeed. I was saving spam for several months whilst procrastinating over installing Bogofilter, but deleted them during a disk-space crisis. The following week, when I finally got around to it, I had only 100 to train with! But I think Ralph made a good compromise - 4000 of someone else's spam is probably better than only 100 of your own. I try to save all my spam, just in case my database ever gets corrupted (I keep meaning to tar.gz them); if one was short at the time of installing a statistical filter one could train one's original db with a mixture of foreign and self-harvested spam, and only retain one's own spam. Later, once enough of one's personalised spam has been acquired, one could delete the database retrain afresh with that. I think that this would allow both excellent initial filtering results (besides, what's the difference between 97% 99%, really?) and a later tailored fit. 2. Which gives better results, feeding a large spam and ham archive at once, or starting from scratch let the filter make the decisions and correct it appropriately? I thought that starting from a clean slate and letting the filter make its choices and correcting them will give better results. I don't see that it makes any difference. I think one should work with what one has got. When the filter analyses an incoming message it judges its sum bogosity [1] by giving each word a percentage rating, based on the number of times that word has been encountered in ham:spam (plus a default score for new, unknown words). A product of the 10 most extreme words in the message (IE: those closest to either 0% or 100%) is calculated, so that several very hammy words (90% say) will cause this product to remain high, but only one or two very spammy words (15%) will significantly decrease it. So, IIRC the total probable spamicity of the message is (in Graham's original algorithm) the inverse of the product just arrived at. I don't see why it should matter when the word tokens used to calculate this spamicity are collected. If you train the database with several thousand messages over a period of several months, it should result in the same database as you'd achieve by creating a new database afresh with those same messages. Of course not many Bayesian filters are based directly upon Graham's original algorithm nowadays, and yours may see fit to weight more recent words more heavily (but I think it would probably be a clupea rubra for it to do so). 2. Equal volumes of spam and ham. I personally find that this tends to let in more spam than when the filter is initially trained with say a 2:1 ration of spam:ham. So I prefer to train it with more spam. That's probably because the author(s) of your spam filter think that it's better to let in a few spam (false negatives) than to forget your wedding anniversary because your filter has misclassified a message from your wife (false positive). What I think you may [3] be doing here is simply retuning your filter's heuristics - if the word bellicose occurs once in 1000 spam once in every 1000 ham, by training with 2000 spam 1000 ham, one might [3] fool a simplistic statistical spam-filter into thinking that Ah, I have received 2 spam emails containing this word, and only one ham, so it must be a spammy word [3]. If this is the case, there may be better ways of tuning your filter, but if you can comprehend http://www.bgl.nu/bogofilter/tuning.html then you're a better man than I. Hope this verbose mail is of interest, Stroller. [1] I shall use ESR's term here for the sake of brevity. [2] Note to the mathematically challenged: 90% * 10% is NOT 900%, but 9%. This can equally be represented as (0.9 * 0.1) != 9 but (0.9 * 0.1) = 0.09. 0.09 is the same as saying 9%. [3] But I have no idea how your spam-filter or mine works, as far as internals is concerned, so I may be mistaken. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Mail confirmation requests
On Feb 16, 2004, at 12:19 am, Grendel wrote: For each mail caught as spam, the database automatically updates itself with any new contents of that mail, making it learn as it's catching mails. I regard this as risky business - if you fail to reclassify any mistakes, then the filter will be more likely to make errors in future. You do state that bmf allows you to reclassify mistakes, but IMO it's better only to add spam/ham messages to the token database when the user specifically requests them. Actually I thought that a bayesian filter is supposed to do exactly the above, ie it learns and autoupdates its database as as time goes by it gets better and better. Indeed, very much so. But it is important not to teach the filter incorrectly - if it slings an important email in the trash, and you don't notice correct it, then having the database automatically update itself is a Bad thing (tm), because it will misclassify ALL the words in the email as spammy, not just the handful that tripped it up. It's safer to place bogus-looking messages in a spam/suspected folder, and only update the database when the user consciously checks through them consciously moves them to a spam/definite folder. Additionally, the larger one's corpus of messages, upon which the filter has been taught, the less effect additional messages have upon the database - once we have established that viagra occurs in 1000 spam, but only in 1 ham, adding it as a spammy word doesn't really teach our spam-filter much new. But if a friend were to forward us the joke about the vicar's marquee (in which the punch-line is viagra), then training the database on this joke as ham will *double* the hamminess of this particular word. In order for this to be useful, to teach our filter that it's ok for `viagra' to appear sometimes in a message, depending on the context of the (other words in the) message, it's helpful if viagra does not have an overwhelming number of spammy instances in the database. One should avoid allowing one's database to become so large that it gains too much inertia against the addition of new words or reuse of learned ones in new contexts. (cf random dictionary words in spam). If we visualise this as a graph (showing effectiveness of the statistical-filter on the vertical axis against the number of messages added to the corpus on the horizontal) then we both agree that the curve rises sharply at first and slows, eventually reaching a plateau. When the angle of the curve becomes difficult to distinguish from the horizontal, it's redundant to add messages that the filter is already classifying correctly - if one adds only messages that the filter has classified incorrectly, then these corrections will be more effective. I hope this explanation is somewhat helpful. I'm no mathemetician, so I've found it a little difficult to explain. I should also add that these remarks are not from my own experience, but from comments posted to the Bogofilter mailing list by those who claim to have tested them empirically. Your statistical-filter may already operate differently in order to account for these conditions (but I doubt it). Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge lists too many programs
On Feb 16, 2004, at 1:11 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: E.g., emerge -p xine lists xmms as a download. I don't want xmms, and if I don't have xmms, I don't think I need flac... I think you might have found `emerge -p -v xine` useful, if you haven't fixed it already. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge problems
On Feb 14, 2004, at 7:35 am, riki wrote: I get a lot of downloading errors when using emerge. Usually it cannot find the necessary files on the mirror I'm using. I have to the google for the file, download it and place it in the /usr/portage/distfiles directory, then emerge again. Does your FETCHCOMMAND in /etc/make.conf have --passive-ftp enabled..? I see it's set default, so this is unlikely to be the problem, but I can't think of anything else. The script to set the mirror did not seem to work from behind my firewall, so I'm still using whatever emerge's defaults are Should I set a different mirror by hand? Definitely. The mirrors are listed at http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/mirrors.xml - you can just copy paste the link's URLs into make.conf's GENTOO_MIRRORS line. However again I'm not sure that you'll see much difference, as your email domainname seems to indicate you're in the USA, not *too* far (as the fibre-optic cable lies) from Gentoo's main hosting site in Washington State. So I would be inclined to take a closer look at your firewall, and also consider checking wget's proxy settings. See if wget has a verbose mode you can run it in whilst downloading a tarball from a Gentoo mirror - this may help you debug. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Setting up 2.6 system from scratch
On Feb 14, 2004, at 5:00 pm, Aaron Walker wrote: Use bootstrap-2.6.sh if you want to use 2.6 headers and NPTL. There are still a few rough edges to smooth out with certain packages compiling with 2.6 headers though, so beware (see my post shortly after yours). From only a cursory glance ntpl seems like a Good Thing (tm). is it very hard to enable it, if one has failed to bootstrap with it..? Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 2.6 newbie, compiling kernel
On Feb 14, 2004, at 7:04 pm, Paul Vint wrote: Christopher Robison wrote: Why did this happen? How did the configuration of the old kernel source infect my new source tree? And more critically, how/WHY did the kernel from the new source tree pick up the same version *name* as the old one (with the mm1)? Why would a person ever want this behavior? Is this a gentoo thing? My only guess would be that when you merged the new kernel source, portage copied your old .config file from /usr/src/linux. Just guessing though - I've never used emerge to install kernel source (I don't really see any advantage to it), I just go to kernel.org and get the vanilla source there. (That way makes patches easy too). Maybe someone else can confirm if portage would copy a .config file? (I could understand if it did - I usually do that myself anyway ;) I believe that's the case. Copying your old .config over to the new /usr/src/linux.whatever directory is generally desirable, IMO. But I can't address the OP's other complains - I'm guessing he's using Genkernel, and in that case I advise him to compile by hand instead. Portage can still handle emerging of the new sources if he does so. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: baselayout redefines /etc/fstab
On Feb 15, 2004, at 2:58 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on the topic, i still believe 'baselayout' s~b changing 'fstab', esp when what it offers is basically useless. It's not *actually* baselaylout or emerge changing /etc/fstab, but careless use of etc-update afterwards. After an emerge one should check every file in the list supplied by etc-update, considering the differences between them /or whether one has ever changed that file oneself. But otherwise, I agree. As you are aware this issue has been discussed in -dev recently, so I refer you to Seemant Kulleen's posting of February 8, 2004 6:18:35 am GMT. 'fstab' is one of those files every Gentoo user shd design him/herself maintain by hand in whatever form s/he needs for the h/ware. Indeed. I find the idea of my fstab being over-written quite horrific. That users are doing so is probably simply a reflection upon Gentoo's popularity - when I started using Gentoo I had already 3 years experience with Mandrake and another (old-fangled) Unix. I've learned a lot in last year since starting to use Gentoo, however I had edited fstab just a handful of times before, and knew enough that fstab was an IMPORTANT file, and to be edited with caution thought. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which kernel version to select?
On Feb 13, 2004, at 3:01 am, Grendel wrote: I will compile my own kernel from the source. my query was is there a way to ask emerge to get me the kernel-2.6.2 vanilla sources? emerge gentoo-dev-sources gives me 2.6.1-rc1 `emerge /usr/portage/sys-kernel/development-sources/development-sources -2.6.2.ebuild` If I wish to install a different version of a package from the current stable I usually `locate pckagename | grep ebuild` - there is often an older or ~ARCH ebuild in the Portage tree. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Mail confirmation requests
On Feb 13, 2004, at 3:41 am, Grendel wrote: ...it also analyses the replies to my posts and ranks a persons reply as hostile or friendly. I have been posting here a year now, and I don't think I have ever had a hostile reply to one of my posts. I find it curious that your system has identified 5 such posts already. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Mail confirmation requests
On Feb 13, 2004, at 2:12 am, Grendel wrote: If anyone else feels that I am not wellcome in the list then I will remove myself. If I ask you to calm down when you reply will you do so, please..? Otherwise I would like to exercise my voice now in stating that you aren't welcome, because I fear that you may not give the list this opportunity for peace again in the future. If you start a new thread, you should not simply reply to an existing thread change the subject, as the new message will contain In-Reply-To: headers, which cause misthreading on some (many?) mail-readers. You should instead create a new email message enter the list's address manually or from your address book. This is what Norbert was referring to in his post of February 12, 2004 10:37:38 pm GMT. If you had read the list for a little longer before posting you would have known this. Your remarks of 1:45am today were unjustified, then, as you were repeatedly in breach of netiquette. Clearly you failed to understand this, so perhaps you should have asked for further clarification. This was recently posted to another mailing list to which i subscribe; I do not think I am alone in thinking it is particularly well-worded advice: On Feb 9, 2004, at 3:45 am, Clifford H. Readout, Jr. wrote: Do not grant trivial insults a high enough status to deserve a response. Do not dignify rudeness by replying to it. Your reputation is not going to suffer from critical comments made in this kind of forum. Most of us understand that no one of us has all the right answers all the time. Most of us realize that we are going to get some outright wrong answers from time to time. Most of us can avoid being disrespectful to others on this list who are freely giving of themselves to help the rest of us with our OS X related challenges. The opinions of those who don't understand these things really aren't worth getting upset about. Idiots (from the Greek idioto, meaning unlearned, but not necessarily stupid) are recognizable to all but other idiots. As a wise friend once told me, It takes a bigger man to walk away from a fight than it does to fight. So, to all of us I suggest that we do not continue to demean ourselves by responding to posts which are not worthy of the effort, and just walk away. In fact, if no one responded in any way to an ungrateful dolt, they might just learn something valuable about isolation and rejection. None of you kind people who supply answers to this list need to defend yourselves, or point out the nonsense of others, and you especially do not need to do either on this list. Responding to a flame from someone who hasn't figured out how to behave on a list does more to damage your image than anything the flamer could say. Most list readers quickly learn the names and abilities of the other members. Most of us do not have much respect for those who depreciate volunteers, or criticize those who try to give assistance. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] More nVidia Stuff...
Hello, folks, Thanks for all the input on graphics cards last week can anyone now give me some pointers towards what I should be doing to get my nVidia GF3 running optimally..? I've already emerged KDE (of course) Xfree last week (when I still had my Matrox card), however I haven't configured them yet, as getting the framebuffer working was more interesting. I am running the 2.6.2 gentoo-development-sources kernel have emerged the nvidia-kernel-1.0.5336-r1 ebuild, but I don't really know what to do with that. A Google or a search on the forums for nVidia Gentoo 2.6 brings many many results, but I haven't found anything like a simple HOWTO for idiots like me. Can anyone point me at one..? The UT2003 LiveCD boots plays on this system, so ideally I want to set things up just like that, except with a 2.6 kernel. I'm gathering that the nVidia binary drivers come as a kernel module which needs modprobing... is that what the nvidia-kernel ebuild has given me..? Sorry for asking such dumb quuestions - I have attached some hopefully useful output about my current configuration below. Stroller. kernel-config Description: Binary data $ fbset mode 1024x768-76 # D: 78.653 MHz, H: 59.949 kHz, V: 75.694 Hz geometry 1024 768 1024 768 32 timings 12714 128 32 16 4 128 4 rgba 8/16,8/8,8/0,8/24 endmode $ dmesg | grep -ie nvidia -ie agp -ie vga -ie console -ie vesa Kernel command line: root=/dev/hda7 vga=0x318 Console: colour dummy device 80x25 ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.AGP_._PRT] vesafb: framebuffer at 0xf800, mapped to 0xe080a000, size 16384k vesafb: mode is 1024x768x32, linelength=4096, pages=1 vesafb: protected mode interface info at c000:b740 vesafb: scrolling: redraw vesafb: directcolor: size=8:8:8:8, shift=24:16:8:0 fb0: VESA VGA frame buffer device Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 128x48 Linux agpgart interface v0.100 (c) Dave Jones agpgart: Detected AMD 760MP chipset agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 439M agpgart: AGP aperture is 64M @ 0xf400 Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 128x48 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which kernel version to select?
On Feb 13, 2004, at 9:49 pm, Tom Wesley wrote: On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 20:40, Stroller wrote: ... If I wish to install a different version of a package from the current stable I usually `locate pckagename | grep ebuild` - there is often an older or ~ARCH ebuild in the Portage tree. Stroller. You ever used esearch? If you `emerge esearch eupdatedb` then `esearch -e pckagename` it will show all versions of the available ebuilds. Also, `esync` will update the tree and show the differences. Just thought I would butt in with that :-) Many thanks. I have been using esearch for a couple of weeks now, but wasn't aware of these functions. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] More nVidia Stuff...
On Feb 13, 2004, at 11:21 pm, Brendan Sullivan wrote: the nvidia README is rather helpful...it got me through setting the nvidia drivers up just fine when i started using linux. It did..?!??!? Yikes! You must be loads cleverer than me! Mind you, I think all the discussion on this list recently of the binary DRI drivers has only confused me. two basic things you need to do is modify your /etc/X11/XF86Config and in the modules section add: Load glx and remove : Load dri Okies... so I think I need to emerge the nvidia-glx package, too..? Also, in the Device section that has your video card in it, change the driver to nvidia instead of the standard 'vesa' or 'nv'. That won't affect my VESA framebuffer..? Many thanks for your speedy helpful response, Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] More nVidia Stuff...
On Feb 13, 2004, at 11:46 pm, Alan wrote: emerge nvidia-kernel and load 'nvidia' module through your /etc/modules.autoload.d/kerne-version file (or modprobe nvidia at the command line) Cool. TY. Would I be right in imagining that I might need to remerge this when I recompile my kernel..? emerge nvidia-glx for the libraries for X modify the XF86Config as noted above. Okies... furtling with that now. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo as a domain member on a Win NT network
On Feb 10, 2004, at 10:56 pm, Norbert Kamenicky wrote: I am just courious, if you are small company, what for u need NT or windblowz shit? Are u running some proprietary SW which can't be replaced by Open Source SW on (Gentoo) Linux ? Could you quit the advocacy evangelism, please, Norberto..? Everyone on here is on your side, already. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo female?
On Feb 11, 2004, at 5:38 am, LoneStar wrote: also, which CD you are using 1.4? 1.4rcX? or whatever? pentium3-1.4-20030911 It's an Intel PIII 600 MHz, MSI board w/via chipset, Award BIOS w/256 meg RAM, Liteon DVD/CDROM D-Link TX530 ATI Rage 128 Pro Maybe you could try this stage3 (/or LiveCD), which is more recent Works Here (TM). http://gentoo.oregonstate.edu/experimental/x86/stages/stage3-x86 -20040204.tar.bz2 http://gentoo.oregonstate.edu/experimental/x86/livecd/gentoo-2004.0- x86-20040204.iso HTH, Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Appropriate Stage3 tarball?
On Feb 9, 2004, at 4:01 pm, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: Is there a decent stage3 tarball that I should consider downloading to get a machine up and running quickly and yet have it as close to up-to-date with x86 as possible? I would prefer a tarball that is of a known good quality, and not an experimental or testing version. Hi Thomas, Because of the changing nature of the Portage tree, any stage tarball will out of date shortly after it is released. I think I've seen enough of your postings here to figure you know that. So really, the only important thing about a stage 3 tarball is that it gets your system bootable, so that you can run `emerge sync` `emerge world`. I don't think there's any problem with the experimental stages it's my believe that they're created from the stable tree. Personally, I've had no problems with http://gentoo.oregonstate.edu/experimental/x86/livecd/gentoo-2004.0- x86-20040204.iso and http://gentoo.oregonstate.edu/experimental/x86/stages/stage3-x86 -20040204.tar.bz2 and they're very current. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Unknown video card on Acer Aspire 1350
On Feb 10, 2004, at 9:09 pm, Jose González Gómez wrote: I also have problems with my video card on my Acer Aspire 1350 (yes, I'm the same guy with the APM/ACPI dilemma). Following the specifications in the Acer web page, my laptop should have an S3 Savage or an ATI Mobility Radeon, but whenever I run a lspci | grep VGA I get the following: Did you look on Linux for Laptops..? Perhaps this model is similar enough to yours that the notes will be of help. http://linuxnico.free.fr/index_en.html Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] More Graphics Cards Recommendations..? Was: Re: kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
On Feb 9, 2004, at 4:49 am, Ernie Schroder wrote: Frame buffer works just fine. That's not the problem.The caveat is if using an Nvidia card, you need to compile in the vesa framebuffer driver, NOT the nvidia FB support. So does this mean that Nvidia cards work well either in X, or in framebuffer, but not at the same time..? I have to have different kernel options to get the optimal in each..? Following Grendel's advice (February 9, 2004 1:39:58 am GMT) I'm disinclined to get one of these ATI cards. My supplier has Abit 128Mb Siluro 128Bit FX5200DT TV/DVI at #45, Abit 64Mb Siluro GeForce 3 VIO at #35 and 64Mb XFX GeForce4 MX440 AGP 8x DDR TV at #35. As you can see, I'm definitely on a budget, and all these numbers don't mean much to me (the 2nd, cheaper Siluro seems to have more megahertz, tho', which surprised me). My motherboard is a Tyan Tiger dual-Athlon, and describes its AGP 4X... (also accepts 1X and 2X AGP cards) so I guess an 8x card gives me no benefit. The cruicial criteria is than any card I buy must be decent in both the framebuffer AND in X, otherwise I might as well stick with the card I have. TIA for any help, Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Graphics cards recommendations...
On Feb 9, 2004, at 3:14 pm, Gard Spreemann wrote: Just to make sure you know: They're all absolutely horrible cards if you're going to be doing some gaming... The ATI ones..? So a geForce would be worth the extra money..? I'm tempted by the Abit 64Mb Siluro GeForce 3 VIO at #35 or the 64Mb XFX GeForce4 MX440 AGP 8x DDR TV at #35. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] 2.6.2, framebuffer Matrox G400
Hi there, Can anyone give me a hand getting my Matrox G400 to run in framebuffer mode, please..? I've recently installed Gentoo on a dual-Althlon system, which is running on a Tyan Tiger 2466 motherboard. It's been a while since I used framebuffer, as in the last couple of years I've only run Linux on my server, headless. I've installed using the recent Gentoo-2004.0 20040204 LiveCD, and that boot-up beautifully, with the splashscreen glorious technicolour. Basically. I want my terminal to look like that! 8-D I've compiled in all the framebufferish-looking options to the 2.6.2 kernel , and everything Matroxy, I think. To start with I decided not to enable the splashscreen, and just get a decent console-resolution to start with, but I don't seem to be able to get anything like the resolution I'd expect. If I boot with these lines in my grub.conf: root (hd0,4) kernel /bzImage.2.6.2-gentoo root=/dev/hda7 vga=ask I get the option to display a list of modes; they are: Video Adaptor: VESA VGA Mode: COLSxROWS: 0 0F0080x25 0 0F0180x50 0 0F0280x43 0 0F0380x28 0 0F0480x30 0 0F0580x34 0 0F0680x60 0 0F07132x43 I have also tried booting with these grub.conf lines, which I apparently found at random on the internet. root (hd0,4) kernel /bzImage.2.6.2-gentoo root=/dev/hda7 acpi=off vga=791 and: root (hd0,4) kernel /bzImage.2.6.2-gentoo root=/dev/hda7 video=matrox:vesa:0x115 and: root (hd0,4) kernel /bzImage.2.6.2-gentoo root=/dev/hda7 video=matrox:vesa:0x193,fv:76 (I have a couple of references [1] [2] [3] to the latter notations, and I seem to have read that there are Matrox fb-drivers which are different from the regular VESA ones). After some faffing about with dodgy messages on boot-up I managed to find the right drivers for my AGP bus compile them in, so I get: $ dmesg | grep -i agp ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.AGP_._PRT] matroxfb: Matrox G400 (AGP) detected Linux agpgart interface v0.100 (c) Dave Jones agpgart: Detected AMD 760MP chipset agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 439M agpgart: AGP aperture is 64M @ 0xf800 I think the matroxfb line suggests I'm maybe pretty close, but: $ fbset mode 640x480-60 # D: 25.176 MHz, H: 31.469 kHz, V: 59.942 Hz geometry 640 480 640 26214 8 timings 39721 40 24 32 11 96 2 accel true rgba 8/0,8/0,8/0,0/0 endmode 8-( When I boot to the LiveCD - which is admittedly a different kernel, 2.4.x I'm sure - it automagically looks wonderful, and I find that it's running: # fbset mode 1024x768-76 # D: 78.653 MHz, H: 59.949 kHz, V: 75.694 Hz geometry 1024 768 1024 768 16 timings 12714 128 32 16 4 128 4 rgba 5/11,6/5,5/0,0/0 endmode I don't know how to translate this to the codes I find at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.3, and really don't know if that makes any difference, seeing as I've already tried the vga=ask parameter. I think this resolution refresh rate is perfect, because it's probably at the limitations of my poor ageing 17 monitor. If anyone could give me any pointers at all, I would be very extremely grateful, Stroller. [1] http://www.directfb.org/mailinglists/directfb-users/2003/08-2003/ msg00101.html [2] http://lkml.org/lkml/2004/1/1/23 [3] http://tinyurl.com/34r6c -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] OT: Graphics cards recommendations...
The UK supplier has some graphics cards on sale Today Only (which at the weekends means Monday, too). Has anyone got any recommendations out of the following cheap graphics cards..? Which will give best bang-per-buck..? - 64Mb ATI 7000 DDR with TV/Out for £23 - 64Mb ATI Radeon 7500LE SDR AGP TV Out for £30 - 128Mb ATI Radeon (Sapphire) 9200SE Tv/Out for £35 Does the extra RAM make much difference..? I don't really NEED a new graphics card, but I'm kinda tempted to indulge myself and it might be nice to play the odd game since I recently upgraded my machine. I'm guessing that any of these will show quite some performance gain over my ageing G400 - is that right..? Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 2.6.2, framebuffer Matrox G400
On Feb 8, 2004, at 11:18 pm, Stroller wrote: Can anyone give me a hand getting my Matrox G400 to run in framebuffer mode, please..? I've recently installed Gentoo on a dual-Althlon system, which is running on a Tyan Tiger 2466 motherboard. It's been a while since I used framebuffer, as in the last couple of years I've only run Linux on my server, headless. ... I've compiled in all the framebufferish-looking options to the 2.6.2 kernel , and everything Matroxy, I think. To start with I decided not to enable the splashscreen, and just get a decent console-resolution to start with, but I don't seem to be able to get anything like the resolution I'd expect. Duh! Meant to attach my kernel .config, which I have done now. Stroller. dot-config Description: Binary data -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hyper Threading
On Feb 7, 2004, at 12:07 pm, Manuel Pérez López wrote: Another cuestion: Does emerge need the USE flag 'thread' for compiling HT right? $ grep threads /usr/portage/profiles/use.* /usr/portage/profiles/use.local.desc:dev-lang/perl:threads - Enable Perl threads, has some compatibility problems So, no, basically. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ssh login problem
On Feb 6, 2004, at 5:38 pm, fisch wrote: hi, i have a problem when loggin in via ssh. workstation ssh server -lroot - logged in workstation ssh server -luser - access denied but server ssh localhost -luser - logged in (with warning, that no homedir exists - that's right) where is the differenz? Could you `grep ListenAddress /etc/ssh/sshd_config` please..? Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] g77 and g++ compilers
On Feb 5, 2004, at 6:30 am, Valmor de Almeida wrote: Is there a reason for g77 be installed in /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/g77 and not in say /usr/bin/g77 ? I'm not sure if this is the only reason, but I think labelling the compiler toolchain with the architecture--system-version allows ease of cross-compilation. I believe this is intended to be integrated with distcc in the next version of Portage, Portage-NG. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Using transparent terminal...
On Feb 4, 2004, at 4:34 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw some of gentoo screenshots! I haven't used Linux on the desktop in a while, but I thought it was possible, too. and what do you mean of MacOS X? MacOS X theme of X windows or real MacOS X? even we can use transparency feature in MS windows... I think Norro is kidding you on... Mac OS X's windows manager is years ahead of other o/s in terms of eye-candy, and supports transparency in a way others do not. I think that on Linux Windows any transparent window has to fake it - I believe it does this by looking at what should be behind itself, and mixing the transparency itself to paint as it's own background. On Mac OS X the transparency is handled by the o/s, and is hence a lot more efficient. Mac OS X also supports arbitrary transformations upon windows which may not sound very exciting until you actually see what it means. Check out: http://compaq.stroller.uk.eu.org/Mac/Genie1.jpg http://compaq.stroller.uk.eu.org/Mac/Genie2.jpg http://compaq.stroller.uk.eu.org/Mac/Genie3.jpg http://compaq.stroller.uk.eu.org/Mac/Genie4.jpg Notice the way that the video *keeps playing* whilst the window is minimised (you can see that Billy is looking downwards in the first screenshot towards the camera in the 2nd one). Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Problems with first boot
On Feb 3, 2004, at 10:43 pm, Peter Wu wrote: On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:44:31 -0200 (BRST), barreto wrote: However, whem I have tried my first boot, the system stops with the following message above: STEP 3: Mounting necessary filesystems per boot options Started device management daemon v1.3.25 for /dev STEP 4: Determining root device STEP 4a: Mounting root mount: Mounting /dev/hda3 on /newroot failed: Invalid argument Could not mount specified ROOT, try again Root block device unspecified or not detected Please specify a device to boot, or shell for a shell : I guess you did not edit your /etc/fstab correctly by replacing the ROOT with the actual root you have. Hmmmn... if that is the actual message he received it *does* mention /dev/hda3, which would be consistent with the root device on a standard Gentoo install as per the manual. I don't see Gentoo boot that often - is a reference to /newroot normal..? My guess is that perhaps the OP doesn't have the correct file-systems compiled into his kernel. barreto - can you check this, please..? What file systems are /boot / ..? Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Using transparent terminal...
On Feb 4, 2004, at 11:03 am, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:50:10 + Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I think Norro is kidding you on... Mac OS X's windows manager is years | ahead of other o/s in terms of eye-candy, and supports transparency in | a way others do not. I think that on Linux Windows any transparent | window has to fake it - I believe it does this by looking at what | should be behind itself, and mixing the transparency itself to paint | as it's own background. On Mac OS X the transparency is handled by the | o/s, and is hence a lot more efficient. Uh, you mean like how fdo Xserver gives true translucency on linux with the XCOMPOSITE stuff? Uh, I have no idea. I don't use X-windows. Please note I said I think and I believe. If my understanding is flawed I'd be delighted if you could post some references to simple explanations. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Using transparent terminal...
On Feb 4, 2004, at 5:40 pm, Ric Messier wrote: Uh, I have no idea. I don't use X-windows. Please note I said I think and I believe. If my understanding is flawed I'd be delighted if you could post some references to simple explanations. Only issue I had with what you said (since I don't use Macs) was your comment that the transparency was handled by the O/S. I have a fairly limited definition of O/S when it comes to issues like this. It's either kernel space or user space. You are still talking about an application that lives in user space -- it's just handled outside of the individual application. Fair enough call, I see that I said: On Feb 4, 2004, at 10:50 am, Stroller wrote: ...On Mac OS X the transparency is handled by the o/s, and is hence a lot more efficient. But I also said: On Feb 4, 2004, at 10:50 am, Stroller wrote: ... Mac OS X's windows manager is years ahead of other o/s in terms of eye-candy, and supports transparency in a way others do not. So I do know the difference, honest! Actually I think a lot of the Quartz stuff is hardware accelerated on later Macs, but I have no idea how that works WRT kernel user-space. ...I have run Trillian in transparent mode. I find it somewhat less than useful for most things because then my eyes have more to look at. Certainly it's a powerful tool for graphics applications but not so terrific for most user apps. Yeah, I agree. One of the first things I did after I installed iTerm was turn the default transparency off, and I haven't tried it with anything else, because I was quite uncomfortable with it. The transparency on icons in the dock is rather sweet, but I haven't seen any applications of it that I've found really useful. I do like the screenshots of the clock at the link Claran posted (http://freedesktop.org/Software/xserver), however. That's really quite lovely. Arbitrary transformations OTOH, *is* really useful, now that Apple have developed the Exposé concept. It may seem like simple blatant eye-candy, but when you use it you really start to appreciate it. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Using transparent terminal...
On Feb 4, 2004, at 5:06 pm, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 16:52:51 + Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Uh, you mean like how fdo Xserver gives true translucency on linux | with the XCOMPOSITE stuff? | | Uh, I have no idea. I don't use X-windows. | | Please note I said I think and I believe. If my understanding is | flawed I'd be delighted if you could post some references to simple | explanations. fdo Xserver is an alternative to xfree that can do real transparency. Screenie: http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm/screenshots/raindrop-2003-11-17b.png Ebuilds: http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/overlay-freedesktop/ Linkage: http://freedesktop.org/Software/xserver Right now it's pretty unstable and doesn't really work with nvidia cards. But it's chock full of eye candy if you don't mind the occasional segfault :) Cool. I look forward to replacing the USE=X flag with USE=fdoX. ;-] Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Problems with first boot
On Feb 4, 2004, at 4:07 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This problem has occured even if I made my / partition as ext2 or ext3 fs type. When you do so, do you reformat reinstall from the stages..? What is your root partition actually formatted as..? Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] courier-imap / maildir
On Feb 3, 2004, at 2:26 pm, Peter Wu wrote:
You probably want to change the maildir/path separater. I think there
is
an option for it can't recall right now. Will have to do some
research.
If I create a .whatever maildir under ~/.maildir/, then I can see it
from
IMAP client under the Inbox node.
Do I have to create ~/.maildir as a maildir? I mean whether I need cur,
new, tmp for the ~/.maildir itself? For me, I just create it as a
normal
folder while ~/.maildir/inbox is the real inbox on my box.
This is exactly what you were doing wrong, then. If you want inbox to
be the real inbox then
$ sudo grep -i maildir /etc/courier-imap/imapd
#Hardwire a value for ${MAILDIR}
MAILDIR=.maildir/inbox
BUT note that all subfolders must be created as sub-folders of inbox.
The main maildir would normally be created be created using
$ maildirmake .maildir
and subfolders thusly:
$ maildirmake -f Mailing Lists .maildir
$ maildirmake -f Mailing Lists.Gentoo .maildir
If you want ~/.maildir/inbox to be the real inbox:
$ maildirmake .maildir/inbox
and subfolders thusly:
$ maildirmake -f Mailing Lists .maildir/inbox
$ maildirmake -f Mailing Lists.Gentoo .maildir/inbox
So you can see there's not really much benefit in doing it this way -
it just creates an additional folder level. See `man maildirmake` for
more info.
Stroller.
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Re: [gentoo-user] iptables v1.2.8: can't initialize iptables tables 'filter'
On Feb 2, 2004, at 2:50 pm, Neil Rachynski wrote: iptables v1.2.8: can't intitialize iptables table 'filter': Tables does not exist (do you need to insmod?) Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. When I went to view the file 'rules-save' in /var/lib/iptables, the file was completely blank (explaining why it can't find the filter table). At that point, I copied rules-save file from another working PC to this one. However, it would then give me an error when restoring the ruleset (always the line containing '*filter'). The working one is running iptables-1.2.9 so I'm not sure if that'll make a difference with the rules-save file. Dumb possibly irrelevant question: is the machine you got /var/lib/iptables/rules-save (??) also a Gentoo box..? Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] courier-imap / maildir
Peter,
Others have posted that your maidir sub-folder structure is incorrect
for Courier. There is some, ahem, dispute about whether there is a
standard for this, so different authors of IMAP software choose to
implement it differently.
On Feb 3, 2004, at 1:51 am, Peter Wu wrote:
... What's worse, Mozilla creates
Inbox and Inbox.Trash folders on the server somewhere that I cannot
find
to delete them.
. How to delete the annoying Inbox and Inbox.Trash dirs added by
Mozilla?
If you need me to post more information, please let me know. Thanks in
advance!
Could please you post the output of:
$ sudo grep -i maildir /etc/courier-imap/imapd
#Hardwire a value for ${MAILDIR}
MAILDIR=.Maildir
$ ls -la ~ | grep -i maildir
drwx-- 43 stroller users1504 Jan 17 23:47 .Maildir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] stroller $
Thanks,
Stroller.
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Re: [gentoo-user] cron and mail
On Feb 1, 2004, at 8:48 pm, Norbert Kamenicky wrote: David wrote: What ebuild(s) do I need for cron to mail its output (locally) to root? any MTA should do it, the simplest is probably ssmtp try emerge ssmtp maybe, some configuration is needed (I didn't try it.) I couldn't get ssmtp to do local delivery. I don't have SSMTP installed on my system anymore, but I have posted this previously: `man ssmpt` says: ssmtp is a send-only sendmail emulator... It provides the functionality required for humans and programs to send mail via the standard or /usr/bin/mail user agents And: ssmtp is a send-only sendmail emulator... It accepts a mail stream on *STANDARD INPUT* with recipients specified on the command line and synchronously forwards the message to the mail transfer agent of a mailhub for the mailhub MTA to process. And: it especially does not deliver to pipelines I used to have SSMTP installed root aliased to my [EMAIL PROTECTED] address - it wasn't much problem that such small output was uploaded then downloaded again gratuitously. When I recently realised that I needed local delivery (for automatic emailing of large attachments to myself) I went with Postfix http://tinyurl.com/2t5wx. I found MTAs pretty hard to wrap my head around the first time I did it... I guess I needed that time to understand it, because i feel pretty much ok on he various processes sub-processes now. I hope the OP will feel free to post any more questions he may have. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: cron and mail
On Feb 1, 2004, at 9:31 pm, David wrote: ok, thanks! vcron tries to sent to port 25 though, and ssmtp doesn't run as a daemon. Know where I cat set it so that it uses /sur/sbin/ssmtp? `man ssmpt` says: ssmtp is a send-only sendmail emulator... It accepts a mail stream on *STANDARD INPUT* with recipients specified on the command line and synchronously forwards the message to the mail transfer agent of a mailhub for the mailhub MTA to process. `emerge -c ssmpt emerge postfix` will allow your local /usr/bin/sendmail to recieve on port 25. I believe I have used SSMTP to forward root's mail to a non-local POP3 mailbox, such as [EMAIL PROTECTED] - edit /etc/ssmtp.conf. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] viruses
On Feb 1, 2004, at 6:52 am, Collins Richey wrote: On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:26:43 -0500 Peter Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 10:38:42PM +, Stroller wrote: On Jan 31, 2004, at 7:57 am, jkw wrote: [...] ... how can we prevent gentoo-user from being archived on google, or stop google from making email addresses public information? Sorry to sound unsympathetic, but it really clogs my mailbox when people complain about this issue. I can't see any way to resolve it, so don't want to hear about it unless you have suggestions for doing so. How does Google archive the gentoo mailing list? Google doesn't. A couple of mailing list archivers archive the gentoo lists, and google harvests the data just like it does any other data on the web... *cough* Google Groups *cough* recently *cough*. http://groups.google.com/groups?group=linux.gentoo.user Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] viruses
On Jan 31, 2004, at 7:57 am, jkw wrote: i *NEVER* received spam before signing up on gentoo-user, and now i receive about *1 MB* of spam/viruses each day. therefore it's obvious that gentoo-user is the source of the spam and viruses. This is an OLD thread. Yes, the list IS harvested for addresses by spammers. But it also gets pretty old pretty quick hearing about it every few weeks from people who appear to think they've discovered something new when they post on this subject. now, guess what? go to google groups (dejanews, whatever) and look at the group linux.gentoo.user. i believe that's where and how the spam/virus programs harvest addresses. Google Groups has only started carrying this list recently - the spam-to-list-addresses problem predates that. There are at least 2 other archives of the list that I am aware of, so spammers could be harvesting these, or simply have subscribed to the list themselves. ... how can we prevent gentoo-user from being archived on google, or stop google from making email addresses public information? Sorry to sound unsympathetic, but it really clogs my mailbox when people complain about this issue. I can't see any way to resolve it, so don't want to hear about it unless you have suggestions for doing so. Just get a Bayesian mail-filter like everyone else, and stop whining. $ esearch -Sc spam [MN] crm114 (20030920): A powerful text processing tools, mainly used for spam filtering [ N] Mail-SpamAssassin (2.60-r1): Perl Mail::SpamAssassin - A program to filter spam [ N] pyzor (0.4.0-r1): Pyzor is a distributed, collaborative spam detection and filtering network [ N] bmf (0.9.4): A fast and small Bayesian spam filter [ N] tmda (0.92): Python-based SPAM reduction system [ N] disspam (0.12): A Perl script that removes spam from POP3 mailboxes based on RBLs. [ N] razor (2.12): Vipul's Razor is a distributed, collaborative spam detection and filtering network [ U] bogofilter (0.13.7.3): Bayesian spam filter designed with fast algorithms, and tuned for speed. [ N] spamass-milter (0.2.0): A Sendmail milter for SpamAssassin [MN] spampd (2.11-r1): spampd is a program used within an e-mail delivery system to scan messages for possible Unsolicited Commercial E-mail content. [ N] mailfilter (0.4.0): Mailfilter is a utility to get rid of unwanted spam mails [ N] popfile (0.21.1): Anti-spam filter Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Compile Error when emerging gnome
On Jan 29, 2004, at 11:25 am, Drake Wyrm wrote: On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 11:24:38AM +0100, in [EMAIL PROTECTED], Francois M???an [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got this error when emerging gnome : /usr/sbin/ebuild.sh line 312 cabextract : command not found Error x11-base/xfree-4.3.0-r3 failed Function src_unpack, line 312 , exit code 127 (no error message) Weird. xfree-4.3.0-r3.ebuild only calls cabextract if you have truetype in your USE flags... I'm guessing that the M$ core fonts are installed, then. See http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Solved: Please confirm Re: [gentoo-user] Linux not booting
On Jan 28, 2004, at 8:09 am, Christian Herzyk wrote: ... I don't think it is a good idea to link /bin/xx to /usr/bin/xx. I am surely not the only one who has a seperate partition for it. Can someone running coreutils 5.0-r5 confirm that /bin/install is a link to /usr/bin/install? If so I will open a bug. $ ls -l /bin/install lrwxrwxrwx1 root root 18 Jan 26 00:03 /bin/install - ../usr/bin/install $ esearch coreutils ... * sys-apps/coreutils Latest version available: 5.0.91-r4 Latest version installed: 5.0.91-r4 Size of downloaded files: 4,194 kB Homepage:http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/ Description: Standard GNU file utilities (chmod, cp, dd, dir, ls...), text utilities (sort, tr, head, wc..), and shell utilities (whoami, who,...) HTH, Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] cat /proc/cpuinfo - Athlon XP or MP..?
I've borrowed an Athlon CPU from my father, to test in a Tyan Tiger dual-proc board I have acquired. As far as i knew, this processor is a bog-standard Althon XP, but both the BIOS `cat /proc/cpuinfo` show it as an MP. The markings on the processor start with the letters AX, which, according to this page http://www.techspot.com/vb/showthread.php?s=threadid=4086, indicates it's an MP. Do all Athlons show up as MP in /proc/cpuinfo, or could it be the case that this has been misbadged..? Could be the board causing such an output..? TIA for any comments, Stroller. # cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 6 model : 6 model name : AMD Athlon(tm) MP 1600+ stepping: 2 cpu MHz : 1400.083 cache size : 256 KB fdiv_bug: no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug: no coma_bug: no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 1 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow bogomips: 2791.83 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] The irony of kernel development
On Jan 27, 2004, at 12:18 am, Collins Richey wrote: 1. 2.5/2.6 has been a smoother transition on my machines (AthlonXP and P4) than 2.3/2.4 was. Nary a burp. My personal experience only. No scientific study. YMMV. My opinion and $2.00 will buy you coffee most places in the world. Clearly yours is an American-centric opinion. Others have suggested that some 2.6 kernels may have issues with non-US keyboards, I would like to point you to the story the Economist http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=2361072 published a couple of weeks ago. In Europe the average price of a tall latte is quoted as 2.93 or $3.70. I shall be printing out your posting and popping into Starbucks tomorrow to see if your opinion is worth a $1.70 discount. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] cvs filesystem ?!
On Jan 24, 2004, at 2:11 pm, raptor wrote: is there a project for a cvs like system... what I think is something like, having simulaneously different states/profiles of my system.. I have found the idea of a versioned file-sytem rather appealing, since I read about the suggestion in The UNIX HATERS Handbook http://www.simson.net/ref/ugh.pdf (see chapter 2, Like Russian Roulette with Six Bullets Loaded). I believe I read that some operating systems (pre-Unix or in the early 70s) handled file versioning automatically. I am not aware of any that versioning file-systems in widespread use, however. You may find http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5976 interesting. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Nothing to emerge ?
On Jan 22, 2004, at 12:29 pm, Rudmer van Dijk wrote: Is this normal ? winston liviu # emerge -p world I didn't ask for an upgrade. I asked for a recompile. That's why I think it is strange. There is nothing to recompile in the world group ? just checked, I get the same `emerge -p world`: nothing ... so I think portage is changed (to protect you?) this is with portage-2.0.50_pre19 To get what you want use `emerge -ep world` this will give you the complete list to build. I think emerge has always been this way. The last year or so that I've been using it, anyway. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Check if a package is installed
On Jan 22, 2004, at 12:51 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the quickest (or preferred) way of checking (in a bash script) if a given package is installed? I think the most elegant way MIGHT be to import functions from Portage / ebuild, and use DEPENDS (see `man ebuild` and `man 5 ebuild`) but I have NO IDEA how to do it. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Courier Help
On Jan 18, 2004, at 6:09 am, Dan Egli wrote:
I take it that courier is running on a different machine from that on
which you're downloading the POP3 to..? Because it would be very weird
if you downloaded POP3 into the same folder that IMAP was reading
from.
I only use courier's IMAP functions.
I want to support both becausesome of my users do not understand IMAP
(Don't
ask my why they don't take the time to learn, but they don't).
And yes this is on a separate machine
Ok... that's fine.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] stroller $ sudo grep -i maildir
/etc/courier-imap/imapd
#Hardwire a value for ${MAILDIR}
MAILDIR=.Maildir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] stroller $ ls -la | grep -i maildir
drwx-- 43 stroller users1504 Jan 17 23:47 .Maildir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] stroller $
ok, I'm getting closer I think... It lets me log in now, but it does
not
show any message folders. Not even my inbox.
Good. This is at least some improvement.
I suggest that you configure a client machine which already has some
other POP3 server a local mailbox. Try adding the server as IMAP
dragging a message from the local folders to the IMAP inbox. I think
you'll find it shows up. Some email clients will allow you to make a
new sub-folder on an IMAP server - I think that if you try this, then
`ls -a yourmaildir` on the server then you'll see what's wrong with
your current configuration.
I noticed the maildirmake. I even ran maildirmake
/home/dan/.mail/inbox, and
it said it created it. But despite the folder being present and having
the
new, cur and tmp folders inside of it, cur containing messages
(hundreds of
them) it does not show in my imap list. The pop system seems to be
working
fine now that I set the pop3d MAILDIR property to .mail/inbox then I
see
ONLY the inbox. Despite having around 10 folders there including the
inbox.
Well, POP3 doesn't support subfolders, so you would only expect to see
the inbox that way.
Let me re-state my desired config for the imap system and you can tell
me
what I've done wrong... user sally has procmail setup so that messages
from
[EMAIL PROTECTED] goes to the steve folder, and everything else
goes to
the normal inbox. So her setup looks like:
.mail
inbox steve
.mail/inbox
cur new tmp
.mail/steve
cur new tmp
Ok... I think this is where your understanding is flawed.
There is NO separate inbox. .mail IS the inbox - that's why it has
cur/new/tmp. steve should be a subfolder of INBOX, and made with
`maildirmake -f Steve ~/.mail`
Let's take a look at my configuration:
$ sudo grep -i maildir /etc/courier-imap/imapd
#Hardwire a value for ${MAILDIR}
MAILDIR=.Maildir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] stroller $ ls -a ~ | grep -i maildir
.Maildir
$ cd ~/.Maildir/
$ ls
courierimapkeywords courierimapsubscribed courierimapuiddb cur
new tmp
$ ls -ad .[A-G]*
.BMW Lists.Geek.FreeDNS User
.BMW Lists.Airheads .Geek.Halime
.BMW Lists.UK Club.Geek.Linux
.Drafts .Geek.Linux.Bogofilter List
.EuroPG .Geek.Linux.Gentoo Lists
.EuroPG.Archived .Geek.Linux.Gentoo Lists.Dev
.Geek .Geek.Linux.Gentoo Lists.User
.Geek.Apple .Geek.Linux.Leafnode List
.Geek.Apple.Lists .Geek.Linux.mgetty List
.Geek.Apple.Lists.Gentoo-osx .Geek.Parsec Lists
.Geek.Apple.Lists.OS X For Users .Geek.SGI
.Geek.Apple.Lists.USB .Geek.Vaio Lists
.Geek.Apple.Lists.Unix For OS X
$ maildirmake -f A\ New\ Folder ./
[EMAIL PROTECTED] .Maildir $ ls -ad .[A-G]*
.A New Folder .Geek.Apple.Lists.Unix For OS X
.BMW Lists.Geek.FreeDNS User
...
Hope this clarifies,
Stroller.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Courier Help
On Jan 17, 2004, at 10:56 pm, Dan Egli wrote:
Anyone know how to configure Courier?
I just installed Courier Imap and Courier pop. I got courier pop to
work
barely by simlinking the maildir dirs new cur tmp to my home dir,
but imap
refuses to work. I need to know how to configure courier so that it
will
always look for mail like this:
pop3:
/home/user/.mail/inbox
imap:
/home/user/.mail/ (all folders below here)
Any help is really apprecaited. I do not want any virtual hosting or
the
like. This is a very simple mailbox setup.
I take it that courier is running on a different machine from that on
which you're downloading the POP3 to..? Because it would be very weird
if you downloaded POP3 into the same folder that IMAP was reading from.
I only use courier's IMAP functions.
Anyway, you should already have looked in /etc to see if your install
has put an configuration files there, and taken a look at them so you
can edit accordingly. You should find:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] stroller $ sudo grep -i maildir
/etc/courier-imap/imapd
#Hardwire a value for ${MAILDIR}
MAILDIR=.Maildir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] stroller $ ls -la | grep -i maildir
drwx-- 43 stroller users1504 Jan 17 23:47 .Maildir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] stroller $
Please note also `man maildir` and particularly `man maildirmake`:
DESCRIPTION
The maildirmake command creates maildirs, and maildir
folders. This
documentation describes the maildirmake command from the
Courier mail
server, which creates an extended form of maildirs that
implements
additional extensions beyond the basic maildir properties
that were
first implemented in the Qmail mail server.
..
By itself, maildirmake makes a new subdirectory maildir, and
creates
all the necessary structures. The -f option creates a new
folder
within an existing maildir. maildir must already exist,
and the
maildirmake command will create a new folder in the maildir.
Stroller.
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[gentoo-user] Bash Scripting - pipes, quoting stuff
Ok... I'm stuck. I'm trying to use vgetty as an answerphone. I have got it answering the calls, playing the out-going message recording peoples' messages to me fine. vgetty has an option in its config file to execute a command when it has finished recording the message, and will pass that command the message's filename as its argument. I want vgetty to email me the incoming messages, but some processing needs to be done first; since the file is saved by vgetty in .rmd (Rockwell Modem Device?) format it has to be converted to .pvf (Portable Voice File?) before being converted to .wav. I then want to convert it to .mp3 (to save bandwidth, and because the MP3 seems the most ubiquitous compressed format) before emailing it to myself. I *can* use `cat foo.wav | uuencode foo.wav | sendmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] to send a binary file to myself and it would seem to be readable using my Mac's email client, but to be tidy and because I don't know on which system I'll be listening to messages in the future I want to add the correct MIME headers. After some Googling, reading of the fine manual, use of `apropos` c c it seems that I have a command called `makemime` installed on my Gentoo system (by CourierIMAP or maildrop) which should do the task. So I start to write a little shell script as a wrapper. I've spent a little time making sure each part works ok... piping text-files into sendmail, and renaming the original file after the timedate when the script has finished. But when I get to the actual piping of a file into `makemime` it falls over. Now this is really weird, because I can do it from the commandline fine, but not it seems as part of a shell script. At the commandline: $ cat foo.wav | makemime -c audio/x-wav -e base64 - Content-Type: audio/x-wav Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 UklGRqaKAQBXQVZFZm10IBABAAEAIBwAACAcAAABAAgAZGF0YYGKAQCAf39/f39/ gICAgICA gICAgIB/f39/f39/f4CAgICAgICAf39/fn5+fn9/gICAgYGBgYGAgH9/f39/ f3+AgICAgICAgH9/ ... I've attached my script. I'm guessing that someone out there will find it laughably easy to explain why this isn't working for me, but I'm absolutely baffled. If I run this script the result of the 2nd-last (uncommented) line indicates that I am trying the very same commands variables as I've shown above, and if I copy paste that line back into my terminal, it works fine. But when I run the script I `makemime` always fails with its usage message: Usage: makemime -c type [-o file] [-e encoding] [-C charset] [-N name] \ [-a Header: Contents] file ... I'm extremely indebted for any clarification, Stroller. voiceemail.sh Description: Binary data -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Buying a new NIC
On Jan 14, 2004, at 6:37 pm, Scharf Yuval wrote: Tomorrow I'll buy a new NIC (I'm tired of USB-ADSL). My question is can I buy whatever NIC I want or some NICs will not in Linux? Many cheap 100mbps cards are based on the Realtek 8139 (*makes sign of the Holy chipset*), which works fine using the 8139too driver. These are sold under many brandnames, so look for 8139 stamped on the largest chip on the card. if it's there then you'll be alright. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] distcc on linux and mac
On Jan 10, 2004, at 2:49 am, Lotas T Smartman wrote: ... the reason is because my mac is seriously underpowered. there is a few things i need to compile on it and distcc makes sence. it would use the power of my dual athlon, a duron 700 and a soon to be added to the network 1.33Gz Athlon too. I believe it is planned to make cross-compilation native to Portage-NG. I am waiting for this, too, as I'd like to compile x86 Linux binaries on my Mac OS X. You may find this link useful http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=29985 - I keep meaning to try it, but will probably find it easier just to wait for the new Portage in a year or so. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] distcc on linux and mac
No. You missed the bit that said *if cross-compilers are installed*. Different processors use different sets of commands, and hence the binaries produced by compilers for different platforms are different. distcc calls gcc the same way it would be called by the local machine; since you wouldn't expect to be able to compile on your Linux PC for your Mac (even if you run `./configure` on the source on the Mac copy the Makefile across), you shouldn't expect the results produced by distcc to work that easily, either. It's my understanding that to produce a cross-compilation toolchain you need to do stuff like recompile a separate set of the c-libraries (I think glibc perhaps others) using suitable flags to gcc to tell it which architecture the libraries are intended to produce binaries for; I think you then need to compile a separate instance of gcc, again using suitable flags when compiling to tell it which architecture for which the resultant compiler should produce suitable binaries for. When I started researching this I wasn't easily able to find anyone with the time experience to teach me. I'd like to learn more about it, but will probably end up waiting for Portage-NG which (I think) should handle this seamlessly. Stroller. On Jan 11, 2004, at 6:36 pm, Lotas T Smartman wrote: so, since gcc is version 3.3.2 20031218 (Gentoo Linux 3.3.2-r5, propolice-3.3-7) on my workstation and 3.3 20030304 (apple computer, inc. build 1495) on the mac, it should in theory work, yea? ... Quite so. As it says at their home page http://distcc.samba.org/ distcc does not require all machines to share a filesystem, have synchronized clocks, or to have the same libraries or header files installed. They can even have different processors or operating systems, if cross-compilers are installed. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] AutoConf = 2.50
On Jan 7, 2004, at 9:07 pm, Kurt Guenther wrote: # which autoconf /usr/bin/autoconf # autoconf --version Autoconf version 2.13 Strange, but I'll push onward. Thanks for the assist. Kurt, What Doug has installed on his box does not represent what's on yours. $ qpkg -f /usr/bin/autoconf sys-devel/autoconf * $ grep autoconf /var/cache/edb/world $ grep autoconf /usr/portage/profiles/default-x86-1.4/* /usr/portage/profiles/default-x86-1.4/packages:*sys-devel/autoconf I think that autoconf is specified in /usr/portage/profiles/ indicates that it is part of baselayout, and the lack of version information in that file (compare the line in /usr/portage/profiles/default-x86-1.4/packages which says *=sys-devel/gcc-3.2) means that *some* version of autoconf is required for baslayout, but not any version in particular. I think that this means that autoconf won't be upgraded when you `emerge -u world` (because that only upgrades the packages listed in your world favorites file) but only when you `emerge -ud world` or maybe `emerge -ue world`. On this ocassion, however you should be able to upgrade just autoconf by running: # emerge sync emerge --oneshot /usr/portage/sys-devel/autoconf/autoconf-2.57-r1.ebuild HTH, Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] how long does it take to commit a patch to portage
On Jan 2, 2004, at 3:40 pm, Tom Hosiawa wrote: I'm looking to use the the latest patch for bootsplash that works against the 2.4.22 kernel. I found a bug created for it on nov 11, 2003 but it's still not in the portage tree, so I'm wondering, does it really take this long to commit a patch? Also, I'm using kernel 2.4.23 because of that security bug in 2.4.22... I'm not familiar with all the details you provide in your posting, but I find that: $ esearch vanilla-sources gentoo-sources ... * sys-kernel/vanilla-sources Latest version available: 2.4.23 ... * sys-kernel/gentoo-sources Latest version available: 2.4.22-r2 From what I've read the Gentoo-sources have quite a number of patches applied to them, and a great deal of testing is done upon them by a small team before they're committed to the tree. That is the cause of the delay, but it may also be the case that that security bug in [vanilla] 2.4.22 is fixed in Gentoo-sources. A search of the archives may (or may not) confirm this. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Local mail delivery - ssmtp maildrop...?
Folks, Happy festive stuff. I hope you have all sated much consumerist avarice and enjoyed gouts of inebriated hedonism at this time of religious spiritual neglect. I'm hoping that someone can advise me about local mail delivery. At present any messages produced by my cron jobs are emailed, using ssmtp, to my POP3 mailbox at my ISP, from where I retrieve them using the usual sorts of methods, however a recent ADSL outage has made me realise that it's more desirable for messages to be plonked straight into users' local maildir directories, rather than having the overhead of uploading downloading again. However, ssmtp doesn't seem to be the way to do this, its manpage says it especially does not deliver to pipelines. When mail is collected by fetchmail I use mailfilter to sort it, but if I run `/usr/bin/maildrop -d stroller` then I find the body of the message is delivered without any headers. I'd rather not have sendmail sitting listening on an open port, as I recall happening on a comment during some of my earliest Unix reading on Usenet that it's easy to configure sendmail as an open-relay; I know that this was in the days when SGI shipped Irix with sendmail enabled out-of-the-box, and that it would probably be straightforward for me to secure it, however it just seems inelegant to have a daemon running a port open when this probably could be handled with a pipe. Ideally I don't want to use postfix, as I understand that to replicate the functionality for which I'm presently using mailfilter. Is there a sendmail replacement which does what I require, please..? Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Local mail delivery - ssmtp maildrop...?
On Dec 27, 2003, at 9:51 pm, Spider wrote: begin quote On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 21:38:10 + Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a sendmail replacement which does what I require, please..? with the risk of being selfpromoting, might this setup be what you require? http://dev.gentoo.org/~spider/local-mail-0.3.0/local-email.html it sets up postfix for local delivery, then uses fetchmail to pull email into postfix, which is then sorted by procmail into users directories. I believe I read your excellent article some time ago, when I setup Courier-IMAP. However at that time I'd already committed to mailfilter for filtering of incoming mail; it's my understanding that postfix does many of the same things as mailfilter. Is this correct..? Or am I confusing postfix with procmail..? Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Local mail delivery - ssmtp maildrop...?
On Dec 27, 2003, at 10:52 pm, Spider wrote: begin quote On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 22:03:04 + Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's my understanding that postfix does many of the same things as mailfilter. Is this correct..? Or am I confusing postfix with procmail..? as a followup to my other reply : http://www.firstpr.com.au/web-mail/RH90-Postfix-Courier-Maildrop-IMAP/ Look down below the : Configure Postfix to use Maildrop About halfway down the page Ah! Looks perfect. Many thanks. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Excluding maildirs from updatedb
On Dec 4, 2003, at 8:03 pm, Paul Varner wrote: Stroller wrote: Personally, I just execute 'updatedb -e dir1,dir2,dir3 where dir1, etc. is the fully qualified path for a directory I want to exclude. Whilst this is practical on my current system, it wouldn't be should I expand to 50... 500... 5000 users. So I guess that in that case I'd have to write a script to read usernames from /etc/passwd enter /home/$USERNAME/.Maildir into PRUNPATHS, which is rather a chore. Any other suggestions much appreciated. Actually, the solution is to use the -e option. In the /etc/cron.daily/slocate script change the line the reads: /usr/bin/updatedb to: /usr/bin/updatedb -e $(echo /home/*/.Maildir | tr ' ' ',') When you execute the command updatedb, it always reads the /etc/updatedb.conf file, so all you are doing here is adding those directories to the exclude list that is defined in the updatedb.conf file. Perfect! Many thanks, this works a treat. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Excluding maildirs from updatedb
On Dec 4, 2003, at 2:11 am, Collins Richey wrote: On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 01:52:42 + Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is conceivable, however, that I might have several users on the system, each of whom has a large Maildir who yet may desire to be able to locate other files in /home. PRUNEPATHS=/tmp /var/tmp /home/*/.Maildir does not work, nor does PRUNEPATHS=/tmp /var/tmp /.Maildir. Can anyone possibly suggest to me how I can exclude from the slocate database users' Maildirs, but NOT their other /home files..? I would think add one statement for each user. /home/user1/.maildir Personally, I just execute 'updatedb -e dir1,dir2,dir3 where dir1, etc. is the fully qualified path for a directory I want to exclude. Whilst this is practical on my current system, it wouldn't be should I expand to 50... 500... 5000 users. So I guess that in that case I'd have to write a script to read usernames from /etc/passwd enter /home/$USERNAME/.Maildir into PRUNPATHS, which is rather a chore. Any other suggestions much appreciated. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Excluding maildirs from updatedb
On Dec 4, 2003, at 2:54 am, Jeff Smelser wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 03 December 2003 07:52 pm, Stroller wrote: My problem is that updatedb is including the all the contents of my mail folders, located in ~/.Maildir so that when I run `locate 123`, for example looking for the media-sound/mpg123 ebuild, I get very many entries like /home/stroller/.Maildir/.Some Folder/cur/1233445437574657345476 scrolling right off the screen. Clearly this is undesirable This isn't possible. Slocate has privs in mind when you use locate. Do you think you could possibly clarify, please..? Why do privileges prevent wildcarding of pruned directories..? Since slocate presently reads stores the full path of each file, what's to prevent it from discarding files that match /path/to/*/.Maildir/*..? Thanks for any enlightenment, Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] what is wrong with head and tail?
On Dec 4, 2003, at 10:51 am, Rudmer van Dijk wrote: I noticed this about a week ago: head: `-1' option is obsolete; use `-n 1' Try `head --help' for more information. ... why is this obsoleted? And the most irritating part is that is not phased out, like giving a warning and then continue, but it only gives an error and stops. From http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_mono/ coreutils.html#SEC7: In a few cases, the GNU utilities' default behavior is incompatible with the POSIX standard. To suppress these incompatibilities, define the POSIXLY_CORRECTenvironment variable. Unless you are checking for POSIX conformance, you probably do not need to define POSIXLY_CORRECT. Newer versions of POSIX are occasionally incompatible with older versions. For example, older versions of POSIX required the command `sort +1' to sort based on the second and succeeding fields in each input line, but starting with POSIX 1003.1-2001 the same command is required to sort the file named `+1', and you must instead use the command `sort -k 2' to get the field-based sort. The GNU utilities normally conform to the version of POSIX that is standard for your system. To cause them to conform to a different version of POSIX, define the _POSIX2_VERSION environment variable to a value of the form mm specifying the year and month the standard was adopted. Two values are currently supported for _POSIX2_VERSION: `199209' stands for POSIX 1003.2-1992, and `200112' stands for POSIX 1003.1-2001. For example, if you are running older software that assumes an older version of POSIX and uses `sort +1', you can work around the compatibility problems by setting `_POSIX2_VERSION=199209' in your environment. I seem to recall that this sort of behavior is problematic to the porting of Portage to other Unices (BSD Mac OS X spring to mind) so I took a look at http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/gentoo-alt/macos-1.xml: while Portage itself can run on these platforms, some ebuilds and eclasses currently contain Linux-specific conventions, particularly in how auxilliary programs like xargs, find and tar are called. These variations can cause an ebuild to execute correctly in a GNU environment but not in a BSD environment, or vice-versa. drobbins proposes this solution, so hopefully the Gentoo developers will remedy your situation: The general strategy to address these issues should be as follows. First, an emphasis should be placed on writing shell code that is truly cross-platform in nature. Second, when there is no suitable cross-platform code, Portage should provide a general framework to allow ebuilds to easily adapt to situations to where variant calls are needed. Here is how Portage addresses the situation currently. HTH, Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] running a cron job more frequent than one hour
On Dec 3, 2003, at 11:11 am, Aaron Walker wrote: I am trying to run a cron job more frequent than one hour, but that's as small as it goes in /etc/cron.* I read both the cron and crontab man pages but neither says anything about the /etc/crontab format. I couldnt tell just by looking at it.. looked confusing :) Anyone know how to add an entry to run a certain program say every 10 min? You want `man 5 crontab`. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Excluding maildirs from updatedb
Hi, I hope someone can help me, I'm looking a bit stuck on this one. My problem is that updatedb is including the all the contents of my mail folders, located in ~/.Maildir so that when I run `locate 123`, for example looking for the media-sound/mpg123 ebuild, I get very many entries like /home/stroller/.Maildir/.Some Folder/cur/1233445437574657345476 scrolling right off the screen. Clearly this is undesirable, as I am never going to try locate an email by its unique ID, and I have also noticed that the midnight updatedb is becoming very slow. This is the default /etc/updatedb.conf supplied with slocate: $ cat /etc/updatedb.conf # This file sets environment variables which are used by updatedb # filesystems which are pruned from updatedb database PRUNEFS=NFS nfs afs proc smbfs autofs auto iso9660 devfs tmpfs ncpfs export PRUNEFS # paths which are pruned from updatedb database PRUNEPATHS=/tmp /var/tmp export PRUNEPATHS # netpaths which are added NETPATHS= export NETPATHS I have found that if I change PRUNEPATHS=/tmp /var/tmp /home/stroller/.Maildir then my emails are safely ignored, updatedb runs fairly quickly. It is conceivable, however, that I might have several users on the system, each of whom has a large Maildir who yet may desire to be able to locate other files in /home. PRUNEPATHS=/tmp /var/tmp /home/*/.Maildir does not work, nor does PRUNEPATHS=/tmp /var/tmp /.Maildir. Can anyone possibly suggest to me how I can exclude from the slocate database users' Maildirs, but NOT their other /home files..? Thanks, Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome games
On Nov 29, 2003, at 9:16 am, Oliver Lange wrote: Why does gnome depend on gnome games ? Is there really anybody in the world really playing any of these absolute mega crap games ? That's a big package which i just don't want to see on my box... Have you considered reading the ebuild..? DESCRIPTION=Meta package for the GNOME desktop. # Note to developers: # This is a wrapper for the complete Gnome2 desktop, # This means all components that a user expects in Gnome2 are present # please do not reduce this list further unless # dependencies pull in what you remove. # With emerge gnome a user expects the full standard distribution of Gnome and should be provided with that, consider only installing the parts needed for smaller installations. As I understand it, Gentoo's policy is not to pass judgment upon what the upstream developers consider standard parts of their distribution. This is a Good Thing (tm) IMHO. For every person who whinges (bitterly, like a little girl) that the Gnome games are included, there would be someone else who would complain were they neglected. Should you require other parts of Gnome without Gnome-games, I suggest you emerge those parts separately - I think that `emerge gnome-desktop` will pull in much of what you require. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] re: Internal Modem - which tty to use..?
On Nov 26, 2003, at 5:48 am, Bob Barry wrote: I use an internal Lucent modem. It took some work to get it going, but it works well. The driver documentation says will not work with Conexant, etc. but recommends: Possible support by soft modem drivers available at: * Conexant - http://www.mbsi.ca/cnxtlindrv/hsf/index.html Also try http://www.linmodem.org. You need to get a driver installed and working before you can think about which tty. If a driver is available, it should create the tty for you. Good luck. Thanks for your email, Bob. I didn't realise until late last night that this is winmodem. Fortunately I have borrowed several internal modems to test with, so am this morning trying to find one that is suitable. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Internal Modem - which tty to use..?
On Nov 26, 2003, at 10:52 am, Keith Dart wrote: On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 15:27, Stroller wrote: # cat /proc/pci PCI devices found: ... Bus 0, device 13, function 0: Communication controller: Conexant HCF 56k Data/Fax/Voice Modem (rev 8). IRQ 11. Master Capable. Latency=64. Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0x4210 [0x4210]. I/O at 0x2020 [0x2027]. ... That looks like a winmodem. You should look at the howto for that. They can be difficult to set up. Yup, I realised that late last night, after I'd originally posted. My father loaned me 6 internal PCI modems, and they all turn out to be winmodems!!! I'm not going to faff around with them, but will try to locate a proper hardware modem instead - I'm sure one will only cost me a few quid, and will save me the effort of learning any of that Linmodem stuff. Many thanks in advance for any help or comments. I would be particularly interested to hear from anyone else who is using vgetty to answer the phone. I use a voice modem with vgetty for an answering machine. It is a pretty basic setup right now. I have plans to write a better answering machine system soon (in Python). I have attached my vgetty voice.conf file to use as an example for you. Many, many thanks. I fear I may have to post again as this project progresses, and it is reassuring to know of someone else who has been successful at this. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Internal Modem - which tty to use..?
Hi all, I want to use my Linux box for voicemail. I believe this is done using mgetty / vgetty to answer the phone after a few rings, and that it should be possible to get it to play then an audio file of the outgoing message (sorry, I'm not here right now) and record another one for incoming messages. The documentation on vgetty is sparse /or 404ing, but I have installed an internal modem in my machine started following the modem-HOWTO at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Modem-HOWTO.html. In section 2.4 it starts by discussing the IO address and IRQ mentions that a PlugPlay BIOS can do this. I believe that the following output indicates that this has been done successfully: # cat /proc/pci PCI devices found: ... Bus 0, device 13, function 0: Communication controller: Conexant HCF 56k Data/Fax/Voice Modem (rev 8). IRQ 11. Master Capable. Latency=64. Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0x4210 [0x4210]. I/O at 0x2020 [0x2027]. ... Section 1.9 of the modem-HOWTO then says: For PnP modems: If the BIOS has already set these in the physical device (which a PnP BIOS will do if it thinks you don't have a PnP OS) then you need to determine the IRQ and IO address and then tell this to setserial. Could someone explain how I should do this, please..? The physical serial ports on the motherboard seem to have been allocated correctly at boot up: # dmesg | grep tty ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A But there are no other /dev/ttyS slots available: # ls /dev/ttyS* /dev/ttyS0 /dev/ttyS1 # setserial /dev/ttyS2 /dev/ttyS2: No such file or directory How do I create one, please..? Many thanks in advance for any help or comments. I would be particularly interested to hear from anyone else who is using vgetty to answer the phone. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] compile on other computer, emerge on mine
On Nov 25, 2003, at 11:12 pm, Adrian Pirciu wrote: I have a pretty slow computer, p3/700, and i can use a P4 to compile my packages. Given that on the P4 there's gentoo installed, how can I compile the packages I need on the P4 then merge them on my gentoo on P3 ? There must an easy way to do this. From `man emerge`: --buildpkgonly (-B) Creates binary packages for all ebuilds processed without actu- ally merging the packages. This comes with the caveat that all build time dependencies must already be emerged on the system. --usepkg (-k) Tells emerge to use binary packages (from $PKGDIR) if they are available, thus possibly avoiding some time-consuming compiles. This option is useful for CD installs; you can export PKGDIR=/mnt/cdrom/packages and then use this option to have emerge pull binary packages from the CD in order to satisfy dependencies. HTH, Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] newbie install bewilderments
On Nov 25, 2003, at 8:11 pm, Glenn English wrote: It's time to compile the kernel. The system boots from the hard disk, and root can log in, with a kernel compiled using the default config, but DMA isn't enabled for the disks. The 'Enable IDE DMA if available' config switch is on. Why isn't DMA? Try `/etc/init.d/hdparm start` see if it works. You'll wish to add this to the default runlevel, I think. HTH, Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
