Re: [gentoo-user] audiocd:/mnt/cdrom not working

2007-09-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
Hello Richard Marzan,

 Run mount, When you insert the CD before you take the step that fails to
 work for you and show me the output. Does the cd have to be mounted
 before any operation takes place?

You cannot mount audio CDs (unless they also contain a data track).
Either put audiocd:/ in the location bar or select Audio CD Browser
from the Services tab in the Konqueror sidebar.

Alternatively, with a suitable setting in the Audio CD tab or Control
Centre-Peripherals-Removable Storage, you can have Konqueror open the
window automatically or give a choice of doing this or playing the CD. 


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[gentoo-user] Need help with routing

2007-09-02 Thread Florian Philipp

Hi list!

I'm trying to set up my laptop as the router for my PC.

In the end it should look like this:

ppp0 - laptop - eth0 ---  eth0 - PC

My problem: As soon as set up eth0 with ifconfig 192.168.1.1 netmask 
255.255.255.0 eth0 ppp0 is no longer used.


I tried to follow this howto:
http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_quick_routing
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[gentoo-user] problem with gentoo-sources on sparc32-platform

2007-09-02 Thread Konstantinos Agouros
Hi,

I built a 2.6.22-r5 kernel on a sparc32-platform. However elftoaout
refuses to convert this with the message 'wrong elf version'.

File on the kernel gives me:

vmlinux: ELF 32-bit MSB relocatable, SPARC, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped

So I guess elftoaout is right since the kernel is not statically linked.
My question, what do I have to change in the kernel-config to get
a statically linked vmlinux like on every other machine I have?

Regards,

Konstantin
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Re: [gentoo-user] Need help with routing

2007-09-02 Thread Dale
Florian Philipp wrote:
 Hi list!

 I'm trying to set up my laptop as the router for my PC.

 In the end it should look like this:

 ppp0 - laptop - eth0 ---  eth0 - PC

 My problem: As soon as set up eth0 with ifconfig 192.168.1.1 netmask
 255.255.255.0 eth0 ppp0 is no longer used.

 I tried to follow this howto:
 http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_quick_routing

I do this too and I have this in my /etc/conf.d/net file on the one that
connects to the internet.

gateway=ppp0

You may want to try that.

Dale

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[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo still not up -- now no kbd driver

2007-09-02 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 19:52:11 +0200, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:

 On Saturday 01 September 2007 19:24:51 Hendrik Boom wrote:
  Have you enabled the keyboard USE flag under INPUT_DEVICES in
  xorg-xserver? You can set this in make.conf.

 make.conf ends with the lines

 INPUT_DEVICES=keyboard mouse
 VIDEO_CARDS=radeon

 Is this what you mean?
 
 *nod*
 

Aha!  xorg-server!  All I saw in the docs I had been
looking at was xorg-x11.

 # emerge -pv xorg-server

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies  . done!
[ebuild  N] x11-drivers/xf86-input-keyboard-1.1.1  USE=-debug 230 kB
[ebuild   R   ] x11-base/xorg-server-1.2.0-r3  USE=dri ipv6 nptl xorg -3dfx 
-debug -dmx -kdrive -minimal -sdl -xprint INPUT_DEVICES=keyboard* mouse 
-acecad -aiptek -calcomp -citron -digitaledge -dmc -dynapro -elo2300 
-elographics -evdev -fpit -hyperpen -jamstudio -joystick -magellan -microtouch 
-mutouch -palmax -penmount -spaceorb -summa -synaptics -tek4957 -ur98 -vmmouse 
-void -wacom VIDEO_CARDS=radeon -apm -ark -chips -cirrus -cyrix -dummy -epson 
-fbdev -fglrx -glint -i128 -i740 -i810 (-impact) -imstt -mach64 -mga -neomagic 
(-newport) -nsc -nv -nvidia -r128 -rendition -s3 -s3virge -savage 
-siliconmotion -sis -sisusb (-sunbw2) (-suncg14) (-suncg3) (-suncg6) (-sunffb) 
(-sunleo) (-suntcx) -tdfx -tga -trident -tseng -v4l -vesa -vga -via -vmware 
-voodoo 0 kB

Total: 2 packages (1 new, 1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 230 kB

 # equery check x11-drivers/xf86-input-keyboard

-bash: equery: command not found

 

So I proceeded to emerge xorg-server for real.  No more keyboard problems.
 Instead I get the black screen of death.  The monitor on light starts
 bliking, indicating it is getting no signal, ctrl-alt-backspace and
 ctrl-alt-delete don't work, and only a hard reset on the box itself
 gets anything going.

My make.conf specifies VIDEO_CARDS=radeon, even though the automatically
generated /root/xorg.conf.new specifies

Driver  ati

in the Device section.  Could this be a problem?  The hardware is a. ATI
Radeon all-in-wonder card.

I tried replacing ati by fbdev just to get something working, but it just
told me it couldn't find fbdev.  Presumably this driver was not installed.
 Is the proper way to install this add in fbdev to the make.conf file:

 VIDEO_CARDS=radeon fbdev

or even 

 VIDEO_CARDS=radeon ati fbdev

and then re-emerge xorg-server?  Or is there a more straightforward way?  I
still haven't found a way to browse the list of available packages the way
I used to do in Debian using aptitude or packages.debian.org.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo still not up -- now no kbd driver

2007-09-02 Thread Eric Martin
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Hendrik Boom wrote:
 Total: 2 packages (1 new, 1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 230 kB
 
 # equery check x11-drivers/xf86-input-keyboard
 
 -bash: equery: command not found
 
 

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Re: [gentoo-user] proper proxy syntax to synchronize time via rdate

2007-09-02 Thread Roman Zilka
Hi Liviu,

it seems you're only allowed to access web, FTP and rsync services on
the Internet through your proxy. Both rsync and NTP use their own ports
and protocols, different from HTTP/FTP/rsync. Firstly, you need a proxy
server (or some other form of tunnel) that will allow for rdate/NTP
traffic between your computer and Internet.

Secondly, you have to configure rdate/NTP to make use of the proxy, but
AFAIK there's nothing like ntp_proxy or rdate_proxy env. variables
these programs would honor. Instead, timeserver proxies are more common
in the form of a local timeserver which sync's with an external
timesource and offers its services to the local network via standard
protocols. You would then sync time using this proxy directly, e.g.
rdate -s timeproxy.localaddress.dom. Try asking around if there's such
a service available in your local network.

-Roman


 Hello everyone,
 
 I'm trying to synchronize the system time with the help of rdate
 (openNTPD is on the list in case of failure). I have one problem,
 though: I connect to the Internet through a proxy server. I have set
 up the necessary environment, but I doubt that rdate listens to it:
 
 localhost init.d # env | grep -i proxy
 http_proxy=proxy.address.dom:port
 ftp_proxy=proxy.address.dom:port
 rsync_proxy=proxy.address.dom:port
 https_proxy=proxy.address.dom:port
 
 localhost init.d # rdate pool.ntp.org
 rdate: couldn't connect to host pool.ntp.org: Connection refused
 
 Please advise on how to correctly specify the proxy server in the NTP
 server address. I am wondering if there is a syntax similar to
 proxy.address.dom:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternatively, how can I make
 rdate honour the proxy settings?
 
 Regards,
 Liviu
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Re: [gentoo-user] proper proxy syntax to synchronize time via rdate

2007-09-02 Thread Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman
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There is a tool in portage or freshmeat, if my memory doesn't fail me, that 
uses HTTP to sync time/date.

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Re: [gentoo-user] proper proxy syntax to synchronize time via rdate

2007-09-02 Thread Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman
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 Homepage:http://www.clevervest.com/htp/
 Description: Synchronize local workstation with time offered by 
remote webservers


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[gentoo-user] Re: X now starts. (was: Gentoo still not up ...)

2007-09-02 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 11:30:03 +, Hendrik Boom wrote:

 
 So I proceeded to emerge xorg-server for real.  No more keyboard problems.
  Instead I get the black screen of death.  The monitor on light starts
  bliking, indicating it is getting no signal, ctrl-alt-backspace and
  ctrl-alt-delete don't work, and only a hard reset on the box itself
  gets anything going.
 
 My make.conf specifies VIDEO_CARDS=radeon, even though the automatically
 generated /root/xorg.conf.new specifies
 
 Driver  ati
 
 in the Device section.  Could this be a problem?  The hardware is a. ATI
 Radeon all-in-wonder card.
 
 I tried replacing ati by fbdev just to get something working, but it just
 told me it couldn't find fbdev.  Presumably this driver was not installed.
  Is the proper way to install this add in fbdev to the make.conf file:
 
  VIDEO_CARDS=radeon fbdev
 
 or even 
 
  VIDEO_CARDS=radeon ati fbdev
 
 and then re-emerge xorg-server? 

Well, that worked.

  X -config /root/xorg.conf.new

gives me the usual grey tweed pattern and an X cursor.  Both the ati and
radeon drivers work, but fbdev doesn't -- not that I need it any more, of
course.

 Or is there a more
straightforward way?
  I still haven't found a way to browse the list of available packages
 the way I used to do in Debian using aptitude or packages.debian.org.
 
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Re: [gentoo-user] audiocd:/mnt/cdrom not working

2007-09-02 Thread Arnau Bria
On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 09:25:30 +0100
Neil Bothwick wrote:

 Hello Richard Marzan,
[...]
 You cannot mount audio CDs (unless they also contain a data track).
 Either put audiocd:/ in the location bar or select Audio CD Browser
 from the Services tab in the Konqueror sidebar.
with audiocd:/ worked fine.

Thanks for your reply!


Cheers,
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[gentoo-user] 500 meg / partition (including /boot) *WITHOUT USING LVM*

2007-09-02 Thread Walter Dnes
  While installing Gentoo recently, I managed to pull off a cute stunt
that...
a) minimizes wasted disk space
b) retains the ability to wipe and re-install the OS, without wiping
   user data

  I'm considering doing a Gentoo Wiki entry, if one hasn't already been
done.  First, I'll run it past the list for comments and any problems
you may find.  (Update: after a read-through, it occurs to me that I
should probably bindmount /opt similarly to /tmp, /usr, and /var).

  The example below uses /dev/sda.  Substitute as appropriate for your
system (hda or wharever)

Step 1) Partition a blank hard drive.

- partition the entire hard drive (500 gigabytes in my case) as one
  gigantic extended partition (partition 1)

- create a 500 megabyte logical linux (type 83) partition of at the
  beginning of the extended partition (partition 5).  This will be the
  / partition

- next, create a logical linux swap (type 82) partition approx twice
  the size of your ram (partition 6).

- next, create a logical linux (type 83) partition using the remainder
  of the drive (partition 7).  This will be mounted as /home.  Here's
  what my drive looks like, according to fdisk -l

Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   1   60801   4883840015  Extended
/dev/sda5   1  62  497952   83  Linux
/dev/sda6  63 549 3911796   82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda7 550   60801   483974158+  83  Linux

  Step 2) File system creation... *WARNING* the following script wipes
all data on partitions 5, 6, and 7.  Use this only when you want to wipe
everything, *INCLUDING ALL YOUR DATA*, and start fresh.  For mounting
the drive after a reboot during install (or booting off the install CD
for rescue work) use the script in step 3.

#!/bin/bash
mke2fs /dev/sda5
mkswap /dev/sda6
mkreiserfs /dev/sda7
swapon /dev/sda6
mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/gentoo -o noatime
mkdir /mnt/gentoo/home
mount /dev/sda7 /mnt/gentoo/home -o noatime,notail
mkdir /mnt/gentoo/tmp
chmod 1777 /mnt/gentoo/tmp
mkdir /mnt/gentoo/usr
chmod 755 /mnt/gentoo/usr
mkdir /mnt/gentoo/var
chmod 755 /mnt/gentoo/var
mkdir /mnt/gentoo/home/bindmounts
mkdir /mnt/gentoo/home/bindmounts/tmp
chmod 1777 /mnt/gentoo/home/bindmounts/tmp
mkdir /mnt/gentoo/home/bindmounts/usr
chmod 755 /mnt/gentoo/home/bindmounts/usr
mkdir /mnt/gentoo/home/bindmounts/var
chmod 755 /mnt/gentoo/home/bindmounts/var
mount --bind /mnt/gentoo/home/bindmounts/tmp /mnt/gentoo/tmp
mount --bind /mnt/gentoo/home/bindmounts/usr /mnt/gentoo/usr
mount --bind /mnt/gentoo/home/bindmounts/var /mnt/gentoo/var

  Again, substitute as appropriate if your harddrive is not /dev/sda.
Let's examine the script in detail...

mke2fs /dev/sda5
mkswap /dev/sda6
mkreiserfs /dev/sda7
swapon /dev/sda6

  The first 4 commands format the partitions and activate the swapdrive.
Partition 5 really should be ext2fs for a few reasons...

  - Partition 5 will rarely be written to during normal operation; only
when you are installing/updating programs/scripts that reside in
/bin or /sbin so journalling isn't that important.

  - Journalling requires disk space, which we're trying to conserve.

  - Given the small size of the / partition, ext2fs is sufficient

  - ext2fs is the easiest filesystem to shrink/grow.  If you ever need
to grow the / partition in future, you can take space from the swap
partition.  Unless you're doing a suspend-to-swap, you can screw
around with the swap partition with impunity.

  - partition 7 will require a (preferably journalling) filesystem that
can handle a large partition.  I currently use reiserfs.  There are
several competent filesystems.  The choice is yours.

mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/gentoo -o noatime
mkdir /mnt/gentoo/home
mount /dev/sda7 /mnt/gentoo/home -o noatime,notail

  The next 3 statements

  - mount partition 5 as /

  - create directory /home on partition 5

  - mount partition 7 as /home.  All physical partitions are now mounted.

mkdir /mnt/gentoo/tmp
chmod 1777 /mnt/gentoo/tmp
mkdir /mnt/gentoo/usr
chmod 755 /mnt/gentoo/usr
mkdir /mnt/gentoo/var
chmod 755 /mnt/gentoo/var

  The next 6 statements create /tmp, /usr, and /var, and set permissions.

mkdir /mnt/gentoo/home/bindmounts
mkdir /mnt/gentoo/home/bindmounts/tmp
chmod 1777 /mnt/gentoo/home/bindmounts/tmp
mkdir /mnt/gentoo/home/bindmounts/usr
chmod 755 /mnt/gentoo/home/bindmounts/usr
mkdir /mnt/gentoo/home/bindmounts/var
chmod 755 /mnt/gentoo/home/bindmounts/var

  The next 7 statements create /home/bindmounts/ on partition 7, and
then create mirrors of /tmp, /usr, and /var in /home/bindmounts, and set
permissions.

mount --bind /mnt/gentoo/home/bindmounts/tmp /mnt/gentoo/tmp
mount --bind /mnt/gentoo/home/bindmounts/usr /mnt/gentoo/usr
mount --bind /mnt/gentoo/home/bindmounts/var 

Re: [gentoo-user] Finally installed Gentoo on Dell Inspiron 530 desktop

2007-09-02 Thread b.n.
Walter Dnes ha scritto:
   I checked dell.com's support knowledgebase.  Only the most recent
 kernels support SATA drives in IDE mode, 

Sorry for the ignorance... but what does this mean?
I use a SATA disk at home but they are not in IDE mode, AFAIK... it
shows up as /dev/sda - Can you explain me the difference? Is it needed
for some chipsets?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: X now starts.

2007-09-02 Thread b.n.
Hendrik Boom ha scritto:

  I still haven't found a way to browse the list of available packages
 the way I used to do in Debian using aptitude or packages.debian.org.

Well, before the incident, http://packages.gentoo.org/ was online. Now
we have to wait.

In the meantime, emerge gentoolkit and emerge eix .Eix is a great tool.

As for Portage (X-based) GUIs, I don't use them, but AFAIK the most
mature of them is Kuroo. I don't know of text-based interfaces, I
remember me and some guy on the ML planned to write one but never did.

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[gentoo-user] amavis + dspam + dspam+web (analysis tab)

2007-09-02 Thread Norberto Bensa

Hello list,

does anyone know if the analysis tab in dspam-web is broken when dspam  
runs from amavis?


Many thanks in advance,
Norberto




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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: X now starts.

2007-09-02 Thread Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman
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b.n. wrote:
 As for Portage (X-based) GUIs, I don't use them, but AFAIK the most
 mature of them is Kuroo. I don't know of text-based interfaces, I
 remember me and some guy on the ML planned to write one but never did.

Yep. With me. Genetic. The devel team members had other things to do, so they 
said goodbye. You
started your own, and I went into the OpenPGP Extensions for HTTP project.

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[gentoo-user] Music Retrieval

2007-09-02 Thread sean
Trying both Xine and Amarok neither is pulling in music info from the 
Internet.

Use flag cddb is present.

Later after emerging K3B Xine and Amarok starting pulling in cd info.
Since emerging some other packages, they have once again stopped.

Is anyone able to give me some tips as to what to check to cure this 
problem?


Tried re-emerging the apps and some other libraries, but no luck.

Thanks
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Re: [gentoo-user] Music Retrieval

2007-09-02 Thread b.n.
sean ha scritto:
 Trying both Xine and Amarok neither is pulling in music info from the
 Internet.
 Use flag cddb is present.
 
 Later after emerging K3B Xine and Amarok starting pulling in cd info.
 Since emerging some other packages, they have once again stopped.
 
 Is anyone able to give me some tips as to what to check to cure this
 problem?

 Tried re-emerging the apps and some other libraries, but no luck.

It seems more a problem with the cddb/freedb/whatever servers than with
your software...

Have you tried if the servers they try to connect are reachable from
you? Just to be sure it's not their fault.

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Re: [gentoo-user] 500 meg / partition (including /boot) *WITHOUT USING LVM*

2007-09-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
Hello Walter Dnes,

Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
 /dev/sda1   1   60801   4883840015  Extended
 /dev/sda5   1  62  497952   83  Linux
 /dev/sda6  63 549 3911796   82  Linux swap
 /dev/sda7 550   60801   483974158+  83  Linux

What's wrong with making sda7 an LVM partition? Then you can allocate
space to the various directories as you wish.

One disadvantage of your system that springs immediately to mind is that
if a user manages to fill /home, it will stop the whole system working
properly because /var is also full.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Music Retrieval

2007-09-02 Thread sean

b.n. wrote:

sean ha scritto:

Trying both Xine and Amarok neither is pulling in music info from the
Internet.
Use flag cddb is present.

Later after emerging K3B Xine and Amarok starting pulling in cd info.
Since emerging some other packages, they have once again stopped.

Is anyone able to give me some tips as to what to check to cure this
problem?

Tried re-emerging the apps and some other libraries, but no luck.


It seems more a problem with the cddb/freedb/whatever servers than with
your software...

Have you tried if the servers they try to connect are reachable from
you? Just to be sure it's not their fault.

m.


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Re: [gentoo-user] 500 meg / partition (including /boot) *WITHOUT USING LVM*

2007-09-02 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Sonntag, 2. September 2007 schrieb Neil Bothwick:
 Hello Walter Dnes,

 Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
  /dev/sda1   1   60801   4883840015  Extended
  /dev/sda5   1  62  497952   83  Linux
  /dev/sda6  63 549 3911796   82  Linux swap
  /dev/sda7 550   60801   483974158+  83  Linux

 What's wrong with making sda7 an LVM partition? Then you can allocate
 space to the various directories as you wish.

 One disadvantage of your system that springs immediately to mind is that
 if a user manages to fill /home, it will stop the whole system working
 properly because /var is also full.

Another one is filesystem corruption, or even human error. Placing everything 
into one single filesystem is a Bad Thing (tm). I.e. you can't mount vital 
parts of the system ro to prevent accidental deletion, or keep data or home 
volumes safely unmounted until they are really needed/accessed (by use of the 
automounter), you can't use different filesystems for different purposes, 
etc.

Kids, don't try this at home :-)

Bye...

Dirk


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Re: [gentoo-user] 500 meg / partition (including /boot) *WITHOUT USING LVM*

2007-09-02 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 10:00:50PM +0200, Dirk Heinrichs wrote
 Am Sonntag, 2. September 2007 schrieb Neil Bothwick:
 
  One disadvantage of your system that springs immediately to mind is
  that if a user manages to fill /home, it will stop the whole system
  working properly because /var is also full.

  This setup is for a desktop PC that has a user not a bunch of
users.  I am *NOT* running a server with a bunch of users.  If I was,
I'd be using quotas to prevent the problem described above.

 Another one is filesystem corruption, or even human error. Placing
 everything into one single filesystem is a Bad Thing (tm). I.e. you
 can't mount vital parts of the system ro to prevent accidental
 deletion, or keep data or home volumes safely unmounted until they
 are really needed/accessed (by use of the automounter),

  a) I'm running a home desktop PC, not a corporate server.  If the
 users (i.e. me) can't co-ordinate with each other, then I've
 got a badly split personalityg
  b) I have the system backed up on a 320 gig external USB drive
  c) automount problems seem to crop up often in this list
  d) more partitions means more things to go wrong

 you can't use different filesystems for different purposes, etc.

  You mean like ext2fs for a small rarely-written-to partition and
reiserfs for a gigantic partition with lots of files?

 Kids, don't try this at home :-)

  On the contrary, do this at home, but think twice before trying it on
a corporate server.

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[gentoo-user] failure on booting Gentoo Linux 2007 amd64 Live CD

2007-09-02 Thread LUIZ AFONSO BELLO DE CAMPOS


   Dear Sirs


After I had downloaded and burned on K3B the forementioned CD I don't
get it booted on my machine amd64 +3000. I've already its manual and doc, I
upgraded my K8VXSE motherboard BIOS...nothing! I don't know what else to do...
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Re: [gentoo-user] failure on booting Gentoo Linux 2007 amd64 Live CD

2007-09-02 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Montag, 3. September 2007, LUIZ AFONSO BELLO DE CAMPOS wrote:
Dear Sirs


 After I had downloaded and burned on K3B the forementioned CD I
 don't get it booted on my machine amd64 +3000. I've already its manual and
 doc, I upgraded my K8VXSE motherboard BIOS...nothing! I don't know what
 else to do...

have you tried different boot options? noapic, noacpi etc?

are there any messages? how far does the boot goes? 

or isn't the cd even recognized? did you make sure that the cd was burned 
correctly?
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Re: [gentoo-user] 500 meg / partition (including /boot) *WITHOUT USING LVM*

2007-09-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
Hello Walter Dnes,

   This setup is for a desktop PC that has a user not a bunch of
 users.  I am *NOT* running a server with a bunch of users.  If I was,
 I'd be using quotas to prevent the problem described above.

It only takes one user to have a runaway process, or even just one that
uses more space than you expected, that fills /home. there are good
reasons for separating user and system filesystems.

   d) more partitions means more things to go wrong

More partitions mean that when things go wrong, the effects are limited.

Why do you make such a big deal of not using LVM? It achieves everything
you want to, and more, without the compromises.

  you can't use different filesystems for different purposes, etc.  
 
   You mean like ext2fs for a small rarely-written-to partition and
 reiserfs for a gigantic partition with lots of files?

How about ReiserFS for a general purpose partition or one that has a lot
of small files and XFS for a partition that has a small number of very
large files (XFS's performance is much better than Reiser's with
multi-gigabyte files). How about a separate partition for large temporary
files (think video processing and DVD authoring) so it doesn't fill up
your home or system directories.

There are many reasons to want to keep data on a separate filesystem,
which LVM achieves but your approach does not permit.

And what happens with 500GB is no longer enough and you want to add more
space. How do you resize your partitions to use space on the second
disk?


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Not a lot more admittedly...


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[gentoo-user] ati-drivers

2007-09-02 Thread james
Hello,

Im installing a new dell laptop. Mostly the install has been routine.
I cannot seem to get ati-drivers to install.

bugs.gentoo.org did not reveal anything useful (not from what I read).

Here is the error:

/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.35.5/work/common/lib/
modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:
In function 'KAS_SlabCache_Initialize':
/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.35.5/work/common/lib/
modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:5037:
warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size
make[2]: ***
[/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.35.5/work/common/lib/
modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.o]
Error 1
make[1]: ***
[_module_/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.35.5/work/
common/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x]
Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.22-gentoo-r5'
make: *** [kmod_build] Error 2

!!! ERROR: x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.35.5 failed.
Call stack:
  ebuild.sh, line 1638:   Called dyn_compile
  ebuild.sh, line 985:   Called qa_call 'src_compile'
  ebuild.sh, line 44:   Called src_compile
  ati-drivers-8.35.5.ebuild, line 170:   Called linux-mod_src_compile
  linux-mod.eclass, line 516:   Called die

!!! Unable to make  GCC_VER_MAJ=4 KVER=2.6.22-gentoo-r5 KDIR=/usr/src/linux
kmod_build.



so I thought I'd just add an entry to /etc/portage/package.keywords and try
another version (8.39.4) that works fine on another system.

On the del laptop I cannot get  the system to try another ati-drivers version,
despite  addiing this to the /etc/portagae/package.keywords file:
x11-drivers/ati-drivers ~amd64

Identical to what I have on other systems. I lookedin /usr/portage/distfiles
and only found this ati file on the portable:
ati-driver-installer-8.35.5-x86.x86_64.run

so I downloaded the other files from a similar amd 64 system where I use
ati-drivers:
ati-driver-installer-8.27.10-x86_64.run
ati-driver-installer-8.30.3.run
ati-driver-installer-8.32.5-x86.x86_64.run
ati-driver-installer-8.33.6-x86.x86_64.run
ati-driver-installer-8.34.8-x86.x86_64.run
ati-driver-installer-8.36.5-x86.x86_64.run
ati-driver-installer-8.37.6-x86.x86_64.run
ati-driver-installer-8.39.4-x86.x86_64.run
ati-driver-installer-8.40.4-x86.x86_64.run


Still  I compiling ati-drivers-8.36.5 fails and I cannot even get the 
dell laptop to try another version of ati-drivers. I recompiled gcc,
just for grins. Did nothing to help (4.1.2).

revdep-rebuild comes back clean. Since it is a new install, I mostly
missed something, xorg-x11 is there. No clue.

Ideas?


James





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[gentoo-user] Re: failure on booting Gentoo Linux 2007 amd64 Live CD

2007-09-02 Thread James
LUIZ AFONSO BELLO DE CAMPOS luizbcampos at click21.com.br writes:

 
 
Dear Sirs
 
 After I had downloaded and burned on K3B the forementioned CD I don't
 get it booted on my machine amd64 +3000. I've already its manual and doc, I
 upgraded my K8VXSE motherboard BIOS...nothing! I don't know what else to do...


try to boot the system on knoppix or another (linux) boot cd...

Check your bios setting that the booting off the cd is an early option.
First establish that the cd will allow some linux distro to boot the system,
then we can focus in on a particular livecd (or minimal) to get you into
the installation process.


James

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Re: [gentoo-user] ati-drivers

2007-09-02 Thread Mark Knecht
You need to discover with lspci what ATI controller is in the machine
and then check which ati-drivers packages support it. After doing that
you need to make sure that the ati-drivers package you have chosen
matches up with the kernel you are attempting to build/install.

Basic lesson: Not all ati-driver packages work with all kernels. They
come in matched sets over ranges. I don't know of a good single source
for the information but the folks on the Phoronix forums have been
very helpful to me.

Hope this helps,
Mark

On 9/2/07, james [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,

 Im installing a new dell laptop. Mostly the install has been routine.
 I cannot seem to get ati-drivers to install.

 bugs.gentoo.org did not reveal anything useful (not from what I read).

 Here is the error:

 /var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.35.5/work/common/lib/
 modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:
 In function 'KAS_SlabCache_Initialize':
 /var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.35.5/work/common/lib/
 modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:5037:
 warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size
 make[2]: ***
 [/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.35.5/work/common/lib/
 modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.o]
 Error 1
 make[1]: ***
 [_module_/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.35.5/work/
 common/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x]
 Error 2
 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.22-gentoo-r5'
 make: *** [kmod_build] Error 2

 !!! ERROR: x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.35.5 failed.
 Call stack:
   ebuild.sh, line 1638:   Called dyn_compile
   ebuild.sh, line 985:   Called qa_call 'src_compile'
   ebuild.sh, line 44:   Called src_compile
   ati-drivers-8.35.5.ebuild, line 170:   Called linux-mod_src_compile
   linux-mod.eclass, line 516:   Called die

 !!! Unable to make  GCC_VER_MAJ=4 KVER=2.6.22-gentoo-r5 KDIR=/usr/src/linux
 kmod_build.



 so I thought I'd just add an entry to /etc/portage/package.keywords and try
 another version (8.39.4) that works fine on another system.

 On the del laptop I cannot get  the system to try another ati-drivers version,
 despite  addiing this to the /etc/portagae/package.keywords file:
 x11-drivers/ati-drivers ~amd64

 Identical to what I have on other systems. I lookedin /usr/portage/distfiles
 and only found this ati file on the portable:
 ati-driver-installer-8.35.5-x86.x86_64.run

 so I downloaded the other files from a similar amd 64 system where I use
 ati-drivers:
 ati-driver-installer-8.27.10-x86_64.run
 ati-driver-installer-8.30.3.run
 ati-driver-installer-8.32.5-x86.x86_64.run
 ati-driver-installer-8.33.6-x86.x86_64.run
 ati-driver-installer-8.34.8-x86.x86_64.run
 ati-driver-installer-8.36.5-x86.x86_64.run
 ati-driver-installer-8.37.6-x86.x86_64.run
 ati-driver-installer-8.39.4-x86.x86_64.run
 ati-driver-installer-8.40.4-x86.x86_64.run


 Still  I compiling ati-drivers-8.36.5 fails and I cannot even get the
 dell laptop to try another version of ati-drivers. I recompiled gcc,
 just for grins. Did nothing to help (4.1.2).

 revdep-rebuild comes back clean. Since it is a new install, I mostly
 missed something, xorg-x11 is there. No clue.

 Ideas?


 James





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[gentoo-user] Re: ati-drivers

2007-09-02 Thread James
Mark Knecht markknecht at gmail.com writes:


 You need to discover with lspci what ATI controller is in the machine
 and then check which ati-drivers packages support it. After doing that
 you need to make sure that the ati-drivers package you have chosen
 matches up with the kernel you are attempting to build/install.

Well, I think you are on to something: on the dell lspci shows:
00:00.0 Host bridge: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 7910
00:01.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 7912
00:05.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 7915
00:07.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 7917
00:12.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 Non-Raid-5 SATA
00:13.0 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI0)
00:13.1 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI1)
00:13.2 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI2)
00:13.3 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI3)
00:13.4 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI4)
00:13.5 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB Controller (EHCI)
00:14.0 SMBus: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 SMBus (rev 14)
snip

googling produces this:
Dell Inspiron 1721 is based on AMD ATI M690T chipset, Turion 64 X2 dual core
processors with speeds from 1.8GHz to 2.2GHz, and ATI Mobility Radeon X1270
integrated graphics.


so How/where do I read which chipsets are covered by which drivers?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ati-drivers

2007-09-02 Thread Mark Knecht
On 9/2/07, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Mark Knecht markknecht at gmail.com writes:


  You need to discover with lspci what ATI controller is in the machine
  and then check which ati-drivers packages support it. After doing that
  you need to make sure that the ati-drivers package you have chosen
  matches up with the kernel you are attempting to build/install.

 Well, I think you are on to something: on the dell lspci shows:
 00:00.0 Host bridge: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 7910
 00:01.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 7912
 00:05.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 7915
 00:07.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 7917
 00:12.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 Non-Raid-5 SATA
 00:13.0 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI0)
 00:13.1 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI1)
 00:13.2 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI2)
 00:13.3 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI3)
 00:13.4 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI4)
 00:13.5 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB Controller (EHCI)
 00:14.0 SMBus: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 SMBus (rev 14)
 snip

 googling produces this:
 Dell Inspiron 1721 is based on AMD ATI M690T chipset, Turion 64 X2 dual core
 processors with speeds from 1.8GHz to 2.2GHz, and ATI Mobility Radeon X1270
 integrated graphics.


 so How/where do I read which chipsets are covered by which drivers?



I would personally visit the Phoronix forums, sign up and ask the
question there. Most likely a very helpful individual named Michael
will be able to tell you more about which driver revision, if any,
works with that Radeon.

Maybe a helpful Gentoo person can answer the question sooner but it
doesn't hurt to have a second opinion. He's very ATI knowledgeable and
don't have a strong ati-driver anti-bias like we run into here some
times.

On the other hand, why do you need the ati-driver package at all. Have
you considered just using the radeon driver in the kernel until you
get this machine up and running and then deal with this driver issue
later? That's my usual path to making a new ATI machine useful as
quickly as possible.

I run ati-drivers on some machine but prefer to stick with the kernel
driver when I Can.

Good luck whatever you do,
Mark
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Re: [gentoo-user] HAL: how to prohibit mounting certain partitions

2007-09-02 Thread Vladimir Rusinov
On 9/1/07, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I have windows  Linux installed on the same hard disk.
  In Linux I've set up KDE + hal. It allows users to mount any removable
  devices, and also windows partition.
  I don't wanna to disable ntfs in kernel, but I don't want to users be
 able
  to mount windows partition (that's a security issue).
  So, how can I prohibit hal to mount /dev/sda*?

 Try entering the respective partition in /etc/fstab as noauto and
 mountable
 only by e.g. root, or a suitable group id.

 Hope this helps.



Yeah, thanks a lot.
It's simple but it works. :)

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[gentoo-user] about permission setting for /var/tmp/portage/../work

2007-09-02 Thread William Xu
Hi, why the `work' subdir under /var/tmp/.. has this sort of permission
setting: 

,
| drwx-- 3 portage portage 80 Sep 3 10:43 work
`

This way, it seems rather difficult for a non-root user to access
them. Currently I'm trying to debug emacs, which requires me to start
emacs executable from that directory.

How to solve this problem? (even sudo doesn't seems to help here?)

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