Re: [gentoo-user] Mounting Question...

2007-12-23 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Friday 21 December 2007 18:46:52 Mick wrote:

 The problem with some distros installation scripts is that they are
 trying to be too clever for their own good.  As a result they some times
 behave like MS Windows and unless you whip them into submission they
 could trash your system!

Exactly the cause of my nervousness.

 What I always do is to create the partitions and LV that I want and then
 instruct the distro in question to install itself in there.  Of course if
 the distro in question does not have an LVM compatible kernel then you'll
 need to install it using a different medium (with a kernel that has all
 the necessary drivers) and untar the distro's fs into your partitions of
 choice. 

So much simpler just to manage my own partitions. Good for the confidence, 
too, not to mention the feeling of knowing what's going on.

The rest of the world will no doubt continue to keep up with all the latest 
developments, but in this respect I prefer to remain a dinosaur. (They did, 
after all, rule the world for hundreds of millions of years, even if 
they're not still around today - thousands of times longer than we can yet 
claim.)

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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Sudden XP death

2007-12-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:13:35 +0100, Thierry de Coulon wrote:

 You are right that XP should work - or you can install it on a virtual 
 machine. I am not sure what advantages you get from running vmware from
 a partition (unless of course you also want to dual boot).

I doubt that would work. The virtual machine identifies itself as
different hardware from the host, so the MS profit-protection would
kick in, claiming you were trying to run the same copy of the OS on two
different computers.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Paludis newbie questions [was: Excellent Paludis interview]

2007-12-23 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Saturday 22 December 2007 20:09:40 David Relson wrote:
 As I'm a paludis newbie and as it allows a multitude of settings, I used
 portage2paludis.bash to create /etc/paludis/use.conf.  Whatever is
 missing from use.conf is a combination of my ignorance and the script.

 A copy of use.conf is attached.

From use.conf:
 */* [...] -ipv6 - isdnlog [...]
 ^^^

Right after -ipv6 there's a minus that disables no flag... ;)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel File not found

2007-12-23 Thread Grant
  I just finished a re-install of my laptop to get multilib working and
  grub apparently can't find the kernel this time.  I've tried grub and
  grub-static.  I get this:
 
  root (hd0,0)
  Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83
  kernel /boot /kernel-2.6.22-hardened-r8 root: /dev/sda3
  Error 15: File not found
 
  I'm using all of the config files that were working perfectly on the
  previous install.
 
  The only things out of the ordinary are:
 
  1. I forgot to copy the kernel into the boot partition the first time
  I rebooted and got this same error.  I booted the LiveCD again and
  copied it over after mounting /dev/sda3 and /dev/sda1.  I thought for
  sure that would fix it but no.  I've verified that the correctly named
  kernel file is in /mnt/gentoo/boot when /dev/sda1 is mounted.
  grub.conf is from my previous install and references the kernel file
  correctly.
 
  2. I used -fforce-addr in make.conf this time even though I don't know
  what it does because it was included in the default make.conf.
 
  Any ideas?
 
  - Grant
 

 When the grub menu comes up, hit e twice and then try to use tab
 completion to find it and the arrow keys to navigate.  That may help.
 Tab completion works like it does in a console.  Sort of neat really.

Great!  Tab competion is awesome.  I had to specify the path like so:

kernel /kernel-2.6.22-hardened-r8 root=/dev/sda3

instead of /boot/kernel-2.6.22-hardened-r8.  Does anyone know why that
might be?  Thanks Dale.

 I hope that helps.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel File not found

2007-12-23 Thread Grant
  Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83
  kernel /boot /kernel-2.6.22-hardened-r8 root: /dev/sda3
  Error 15: File not found

 There should be no space between /boot and /kernel.

Actually just a transcription error.

- Grant
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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel File not found

2007-12-23 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
On Sunday 23 December 2007, Grant wrote:

  When the grub menu comes up, hit e twice and then try to use tab
  completion to find it and the arrow keys to navigate.  That may
  help. Tab completion works like it does in a console.  Sort of neat
  really.

 Great!  Tab competion is awesome.  I had to specify the path like so:

 kernel /kernel-2.6.22-hardened-r8 root=/dev/sda3

 instead of /boot/kernel-2.6.22-hardened-r8.  Does anyone know why that
 might be?  Thanks Dale.

The path you specify in the kernel line is relative to the partition 
specified in the root line (which should be tha partition whose 
filesystem contains the kernel image). If your /boot is on a separate 
partition, this means that using kernel /boot/kernel would be 
incorrect, since there is no /boot directory in the partition mounted 
in /boot. Rather, all the files are located at the first level (from 
grub's (hd0,0) standpoint).
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[gentoo-user] dev-haskell/{cabal,haxml} -- runaway memory hog

2007-12-23 Thread felix
In a routine upgrade, I get the following message from several
haskell components:

 * The package dev-haskell/cabal is not correctly installed for
 * the currently active version of ghc (6.8.2). Please
 * run ghc-updater or re-emerge dev-haskell/cabal.

So I tried running ghc-updater, and it hangs emerging haxml by
gradually absorbing all available CPU time, memory, and swap,
eventually the oom killer kills firebird, and eventually I realize
something is going on and kill ghc-updater.

Emerging haxml directly repeats the greedy performance, and when I
kill it, it gives me this message:

 * The 'prerm' phase of the 'dev-haskell/haxml-1.13.2' package has failed
 * with exit value -1. The problem occurred while executing the ebuild
 * located at '/var/db/pkg/dev-haskell/haxml-1.13.2/haxml-1.13.2.ebuild'.
 * If necessary, manually remove the ebuild in order to skip the execution
 * of removal phases.

What the heck is going on here, and how do I manually remove haxml?  I
know nothing of haskell; it is merged only because I use darcs.  The
ebuild mentioned is short and has no prerm anywhere in it.

This happens on both a ~x86 machine and a ~amd64 machine.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel File not found

2007-12-23 Thread Johann Schmitz
Grant wrote:
 Great!  Tab competion is awesome.  I had to specify the path like so:
 
 kernel /kernel-2.6.22-hardened-r8 root=/dev/sda3
 
 instead of /boot/kernel-2.6.22-hardened-r8.  Does anyone know why that
 might be?  Thanks Dale.

IIRC, grub-install creates a symlink in /boot named boot wich points to /boot:

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 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1  1. Jul 00:01 /boot/boot - .

Now you can write
 kernel /kernel-x-y-z
and
 kernel /boot/kernel-x-y-z

and both lines will point to the same kernel ;)

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[gentoo-user] perl's Chatbot::Eliza

2007-12-23 Thread Uwe Thiem
Hi folks,

any idea whether portage contains perl's Chatbot::Eliza. And if so, where I 
can find it?

I looked around in portage but couldn't find it. Maybe it just isn't there.

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] perl's Chatbot::Eliza

2007-12-23 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Sonntag, 23. Dezember 2007 schrieb Uwe Thiem:

 any idea whether portage contains perl's Chatbot::Eliza. And if so, where I
 can find it?

 I looked around in portage but couldn't find it. Maybe it just isn't there.

It doesn't need to be, you can emerge g-cpan and use it to emerge any perl 
module from cpan.

HTH...

Dirk


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RE: [gentoo-user] brlcad users here?--RESOLVED

2007-12-23 Thread Arttu V.

 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:33:52 -0800
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Just to clarify: What does a 'pre-compiled binary' do?

I meant just regular binary files, which have been compiled -- as opposed
to the source files (non-compiled ;) ). Sorry for being unclear. :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Paludis newbie questions [was: Excellent Paludis interview]

2007-12-23 Thread David Relson
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:45:03 +0100
Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:

 On Saturday 22 December 2007 20:09:40 David Relson wrote:
  As I'm a paludis newbie and as it allows a multitude of settings, I
  used portage2paludis.bash to create /etc/paludis/use.conf.
  Whatever is missing from use.conf is a combination of my ignorance
  and the script.
 
  A copy of use.conf is attached.
 
 From use.conf:
  */* [...] -ipv6 - isdnlog [...]
  ^^^
 
 Right after -ipv6 there's a minus that disables no flag... ;)
 
 -- 
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Bo,

Good eye!  

/etc/make.conf had the same - isdnlog string.  With the space
removed, paludis is much happier.

I suspect a better worded message would have let me find the
mistake

Thank you.

David

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Re: [gentoo-user] perl's Chatbot::Eliza

2007-12-23 Thread Uwe Thiem
On 23 December 2007, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
 Am Sonntag, 23. Dezember 2007 schrieb Uwe Thiem:
  any idea whether portage contains perl's Chatbot::Eliza. And if so, where
  I can find it?
 
  I looked around in portage but couldn't find it. Maybe it just isn't
  there.

 It doesn't need to be, you can emerge g-cpan and use it to emerge any
 perl module from cpan.

Thanks! Got it by now. Eliza still is the amazing thing it was a couple of 
decades ago when Weizenbaum wrote it. ;-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Sudden XP death

2007-12-23 Thread maxim wexler
 
 I doubt that would work. The virtual machine
 identifies itself as
 different hardware from the host, so the MS
 profit-protection would
 kick in, claiming you were trying to run the same
 copy of the OS on two
 different computers.
 
 
 -- 
 Neil Bothwick

Mebbe I'm confusing wine with vmware. I need to run a
XP-specific CAD program. So, it has to be installed in
XP and XP must be installed on the first partition of
the HDD, right? 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo on Dell PowerEdge 2600 / 2800? AMI / LSI MegaRAID driver?

2007-12-23 Thread Steve Dommett
On Thursday 20 December 2007, Stroller wrote:
  ... I was expecting something
  similar to when I've hotplugged SATA drives on my desktop machine.

 What controller is in that, please?

 Does it do hardware RAID, or is it just a regular SATA controller?
I've done it using both the onboard controllers: nVidia nForce4 CK804 SATA, 
and Silicon Image SiI 3114.  They both claim RAID but I'm sure it's done by 
the driver in both cases.

 stated that SATA controllers are not _required_ to support hot-
 plugging, either. This makes choosing an SATA more complicated, of
Eek!  Maybe I'm just lucky, but I've swapped the SATA drive from my laptop to 
my desktop and back quite a few times without an issue.  Friends have 
hotplugged their drives into this machine too many times with no ill effects.  
We plug the power into the drive first, then once it's spun up insert the 
SATA data cable.
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[gentoo-user] 2.6.23 and xorg delayed startup

2007-12-23 Thread Michael George
I just upgraded my kernel from 2.6.19 to 2.6.23 and it takes almost a
minute for X to start now.

I have changed window managers (normally ctwm, tested with twm) with the
same results.  I rebooted the 2.6.19 kernel and X fires right up as
expected.  Booting back to 2.6.23 and it's excruciatingly long.

I saw some prior posts which indicated a network problem, but in that
case the OP said that the loopback interface wasn't up.  I checked my
system (ifconfig) and both lo and eth0 are up and running.

I do have this error from startx, though:
Couldn't establish a connection to :9202: IO::Socket::INET: Bad hostname ':9202'

I forgot to check if I had that error when running 2.6.19...  I tried
a web search for this type of error and came up empty.  What part of X
would this error be from?

Thanks!

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Re: [gentoo-user] smartd Prefailure messages

2007-12-23 Thread Dan Farrell
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:08:36 -0600
Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It makes me wonder if the drives are sensitive to something.  This
 seems to be common with Maxtor.  Is Hitachi made by the same company
 as Maxtor I wonder?

I've been told Hitachi bought up IBM's drive manufacturing operation a
few years ago, but am not sure if it's true.  I think of all three as
inferior drive manufacturers that aren't to be trusted, if it can be
avoided.  
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Re: [gentoo-user] smartd Prefailure messages

2007-12-23 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Montag, 24. Dezember 2007, Dan Farrell wrote:
 On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:08:36 -0600

 Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  It makes me wonder if the drives are sensitive to something.  This
  seems to be common with Maxtor.  Is Hitachi made by the same company
  as Maxtor I wonder?

 I've been told Hitachi bought up IBM's drive manufacturing operation a
 few years ago, but am not sure if it's true.  I think of all three as
 inferior drive manufacturers that aren't to be trusted, if it can be
 avoided.

Maxtor got bought by Seagate

Hitachi bought IBM's harddisk operations.
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Re: [gentoo-user] smartd Prefailure messages

2007-12-23 Thread Dale
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
 On Montag, 24. Dezember 2007, Dan Farrell wrote:
   
 On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:08:36 -0600

 Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 It makes me wonder if the drives are sensitive to something.  This
 seems to be common with Maxtor.  Is Hitachi made by the same company
 as Maxtor I wonder?
   
 I've been told Hitachi bought up IBM's drive manufacturing operation a
 few years ago, but am not sure if it's true.  I think of all three as
 inferior drive manufacturers that aren't to be trusted, if it can be
 avoided.
 

 Maxtor got bought by Seagate

 Hitachi bought IBM's harddisk operations.
   

So they are two different drives then, manufacturer wise?  Makes me
think about those errors even more. 

Strange.

Dale

:-)  :-)