Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] vmware virtual disk expanded but invisible in VM

2008-04-02 Thread Stroller


On 2 Apr 2008, at 06:23, Alan McKinnon wrote:

...
 This is reason 1 of many that LVM should always be used.


lol!

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[gentoo-user] Master - Slave MySQL Database Server

2008-04-02 Thread Kaushal Shriyan
hi,

Is there a step by step guide to set up Master - Slave MySQL Database
Server on Gentoo

Thanks and Regards

Kaushal
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Re: [gentoo-user] X crashes on Suspend to Disk ( hibernate )

2008-04-02 Thread Thomas Kahle

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Eric Martin wrote:
| Thomas Kahle wrote:
| | Hi,
| |
| | for a couple of days now, no idea how it started, my X-Server crashes
| | when coming back from suspend to disk. I use kernel 2.6.25-rc6,
| | xorg-server 1.4.0.90 and coming back from suspend to ram works
| | perfectly. There is absolutely nothing in the logs. Just when the
| | applications awake from sleep, they all report broken pipes and find
| | X-Server is gone.
| | X.org.log shows nothing.
| |
| | any ideas where to start investigaion?
|
| Are you using anything on top of X?
Openbox Desktop with some kde4-apps like konsole, okular, etc...

is your swap file = RAM?
yes it is, and actually it used to work more or less before i started to
fiddle with the display driver. So, to be more explicit:
One week ago I was using the 2.2.1 version of i810 display driver.
Coming back from Suspend (Disk OR Ram) it freezed the system in around
1/4 of the cases. I wanted to solve that. Now I am using the 2.2.99
version of the i810 driver and suspend to RAM works perfectly, is very
fast and shows no freezes, while suspend to Disk gives the crashes of X.
But the system resumes perfectly from console. And after X crashed
startx brings it back and everything is fine...
The strange thing here is, that changing the driver back does not change
the behaviour back. It is something else appearently.

~  I don't
| know if it will even let you suspend if that's not the case but I'll ask
| anyway.
I use hibernate-script which can be run with verbose output and
everything looks fine there. A attached a typical run below...

~ Does /var/log/messages and/or dmesg show anything?
no :(

- --- snip 
output of hibernate-script:
hibernate: [01] Executing NoteLastResume ...
hibernate: [01] Executing LockFilePut ...
hibernate: [01] Executing CheckLastResume ...
hibernate: [01] Executing CheckRunlevel ...
hibernate: [01] Executing LockFileGet ...
hibernate: [01] Executing NewKernelFileCheck ...
hibernate: [10] Executing EnsureSysfsPowerStateCapable ...
hibernate: [11] Executing XHacksSuspendHook1 ...
hibernate: [12] Executing IbmAcpiStartSuspend ...
hibernate: [59] Executing RemountXFSBootRO ...
hibernate: [61] Executing NMSuspend ...
hibernate: [89] Executing SaveKernelModprobe ...
hibernate: [91] Executing ModulesUnloadBlacklist ...
hibernate: [91] Executing ModulesUnloadBlacklist ...
hibernate: [95] Executing XHacksSuspendHook2 ...
hibernate: [98] Executing CheckRunlevel ...
hibernate: [99] Executing DoSysfsPowerStateSuspend ...
hibernate: Activating sysfs power state disk ...
hibernate: [90] Executing ModulesLoad ...
hibernate: [89] Executing RestoreKernelModprobe ...
hibernate: [85] Executing XHacksResumeHook2 ...
hibernate: [70] Executing ClockRestore ...
hibernate: [70] Executing ClockRestore ...
hibernate: [61] Executing NMResume ...
hibernate: [59] Executing RemountXFSBootRW ...
hibernate: [12] Executing IbmAcpiEndResume ...
hibernate: [11] Executing XHacksResumeHook1 ...
hibernate: [01] Executing NoteLastResume ...
hibernate: [01] Executing LockFilePut ...
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Re: [gentoo-user] What is setting =x11-libs/openmotif-2.3.0 ????

2008-04-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:40:44 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:

 I figure that an older version of program x should
 not be considered as a block to a newer version of program x.  Isn't
 that the whole point of --update?

It is, but the way portage updates packages is to install the new version
and then uninstall the old. This means that at some point, you have files
from both releases installed. This usually causes no problems, but
occasionally it does so you have to remove the old package first, hence
the block.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror Go menu - missing items

2008-04-02 Thread Crayon Shin Chan
On Wednesday 02 April 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:

 Short question: What determines how the Go menu in Konqueror is
 populated?

have you fiddled with:

right-click (on the taskbar menu button) -
[Panel Menu] -
[Configure Panel] -
[Menus]

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Re: [gentoo-user] X crashes on Suspend to Disk ( hibernate )

2008-04-02 Thread Thomas Kahle

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Thomas Kahle wrote:
| Hi,
|
| for a couple of days now, no idea how it started, my X-Server crashes
| when coming back from suspend to disk. I use kernel 2.6.25-rc6,
| xorg-server 1.4.0.90 and coming back from suspend to ram works
| perfectly. There is absolutely nothing in the logs. Just when the
| applications awake from sleep, they all report broken pipes and find
| X-Server is gone.
| X.org.log shows nothing.
|
| any ideas where to start investigaion?
|
| Thanks
| Thomas

Hi, just for the records: I found the reason and the solution.
The 1.4.0.99 server uses hal to detect input devices etc. To configure
that properly one needs policy files inside /etc/hal/fdi/policy
Google for hal xorg gentoo input or hal xorg evdev to read more
about this.
Also if your keyboard stops working, your layout changed to US, Xorg
crashes on plugging in USB Keyboards, etc. you should look after this.
Furthermore it can't be bad to have up to date input drivers, currently
this means in particular evdev-1.2.0

thanks
Thomas
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Re: [gentoo-user] What is setting =x11-libs/openmotif-2.3.0 ????

2008-04-02 Thread Walter Dnes
  I had interpreted the error message to read that some other package
required = openmotif-2.3.0

On Tue, Apr 01, 2008 at 08:53:48PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote

 What's confusing about that? The reason is in the ebuild for 
 x11-libs/openmotif-2.3.0-r1 where it's configured to not co-exist with 
 any earlier version. Look carefully at the = and version numbers...
 
 To fix: unmerge the existing openmotif, merge the new one

  But, but, but... isn't the whole point of --update --world to
*UPDATE* to the latest available version?  Why is it that openmotif
requires *MANUALLY* deleting the old version, when 99% of non-slottable
apps and libs allow portage to delete the old version and replace it
with the new version?  I'm obviously missing something here.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Konsole, Gentoo and colors

2008-04-02 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Tuesday 01 April 2008 14:25:56 Kevin O'Gorman wrote:

 One of the things I don't like about black background is that on all
 monitors the background seems to crowd the glyphs -- the markings seems
 more slender than when the colors are reversed.

That's odd - I get exactly the converse impression - black lettering on 
white is less easy to pick out.

On the other hand, my eyes always have been a bit strange.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Nvidia drivers

2008-04-02 Thread James
Gregory Shearman zekeyg at gmail.com writes:

 It looks like the kernel devs are trying to update references to the include
 asm files and the nvidia devs are yet to catch up. Maybe one day nvidia will 
 release its driver specs and save itself a lot of trouble and money building 
 catchup linux drivers. Maybe hell will also freeze over on that day.


Thanks for the info... Maybe I give it a whirl in a few days.

Have you seen Nvidia's stock plummet?
Maybe they'll wake up and embrace open source


Linux and open source are so mainstream now that the (magazine) Linux 
Journal is moving on to Be OS. 


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Re: [gentoo-user] What is setting =x11-libs/openmotif-2.3.0 ????

2008-04-02 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 02 April 2008, Walter Dnes wrote:
  To fix: unmerge the existing openmotif, merge the new one

   But, but, but... isn't the whole point of --update --world to
 *UPDATE* to the latest available version?  Why is it that openmotif
 requires *MANUALLY* deleting the old version, when 99% of
 non-slottable apps and libs allow portage to delete the old version
 and replace it with the new version?  I'm obviously missing something
 here.

In general that is the way it works. Neil posted to that effect a few 
hours ago. However, just because it usually works that way doesn't mean 
it always should or will work that way. There's this pesky thing 
called real life and the pesky corner cases that come with it.

Sometimes a new version of a package simply cannot co-exist with an 
older version because of the way it's coded. Portage first builds a 
package and installs it to a sandbox environment to ensure that the 
package is buildable. Only when tis is established and proven, will it 
delete the old version and move the new one onto the live filesystem. 
If you have this co-exist problem with that package, you have to 
manually unmerge the older one, as portage will not take the risk of 
leaving you with an unusable package (that correctly is a decision that 
a human must take, it is TheUnixWay(tm) and 
TheOneTrueWayOfComputing(tm).

The lesstif/openmotif mess is slightly different. Openmotif has an odd 
licensing scheme, so odd the Fedora (I think) has decided to not 
support it at all. The relevant Gentoo dev wants to set things up so 
that you have to have one or the other but not both. The sanest way to 
deal with this is to force the user to make a decision and implement 
it, and to not have to put up with whatever choice the dev happens to 
think is ideal. This could have been better documented. In fact, there 
should have been some documentation about it at all, but there isn't - 
just a mysterious blocker. I only know it because I read the new 
comments in $PORTDIR/profiles/packages.mask after every sync :-) And I 
see those comments are no longer there :-(

It's just one of those things that we have to put up with occasionally 
in real life

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Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Liviu Andronic
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  By the way the safest and recommended command, although a bit longish
  should be ALT+SysRq(or print)+S(ync)+U(mount)+B(Reboot).
 

  Since I wanted to shutdown instead of reboot, it would be ALT + SysRq + S +
 U + O then correct?

Are there any potential harms to the hardware / system in case one
tends to abuse (i.e. use more often than necessary) of this command?
It's so often so tempting to shut down your system fast.
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[gentoo-user] Re: Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Michael Schmarck
Liviu Andronic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Are there any potential harms to the hardware / system in case one
 tends to abuse (i.e. use more often than necessary) of this command?

You're not shutting down the system in a clean way. Because of
this, filesystem and/or applications might get corrupt (eg. think
of a database, which was in the middle of writing to some of
its tables).

 It's so often so tempting to shut down your system fast.

Yeah, it sure is :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Mittwoch, 2. April 2008 schrieb ext Michael Schmarck:

 You're not shutting down the system in a clean way.

You're not? I thought that's the purpose of the whole thing?

Bye...

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Re: [gentoo-user] gstreamer (solved sort of)

2008-04-02 Thread Ted Ozolins

Alan McKinnon wrote:



Please post the output of revdep-rebuild -p -i

Do these various packages require specifically gstreamer-0.8? If so, 
that is a bug and should be rpeorted at b.g.o. In general, unmerging 
gstreamer-0.8 will cause other things linked to it to now not work, so 
I reckon you will suffer some fallout if you just unmerge it.


A good safety net will be to look into the portage cache in /var/db/pkg, 
you will find a copy of the current gstreamer-0.8 ebuild you are using 
there. Copy it to your local overlay so you can remerge it if 
necessary. Do the same with any plugins that are also not in portage 
anymore



Thank you all for the replies, greatly appreciated.

Having followed your recommendations I found thet :
emerge -Cp gstreamer showed only gstreamer-0.10. No matter what I tried, 
no way of unmerging -0.8.. I then added search mask in make.conf so that 
  revdep-rebuild does not search /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.8 and finally 
removed 0.8 manually. I've had to rebuild a couple of packages (for now) 
and all seems to be fine except I can no longer run tvtime, kdetv nor xawtv.


xawtv reports:
This is xawtv-3.95, running on Linux/i686 (2.6.23-gentoo-r9)
WARNING: v4l-conf is compiled without DGA support.
/dev/video0 [v4l2]: no overlay support
v4l-conf had some trouble, trying to continue anyway
Warning: Cannot convert string 
-*-ledfixed-medium-r-*--39-*-*-*-c-*-*-* to type FontStruct

libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b
game over
kdetv reports nothing and I can not stop the process. Even using top and 
 k followed by PID of kdetv.


I'm sure I have to rebuild something, just not quite sure what.

I've re-emerged all three with no change. Where do I look?
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[gentoo-user] LVM2

2008-04-02 Thread Kaushal Shriyan
Hi

when i reboot the gentoo box all the lvm settings are gone, I have
followed the below steps

http://pastebin.com/d52c219ba

Please let me know if I am missing something

Thanks and Regards

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[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Michael Schmarck
Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Am Mittwoch, 2. April 2008 schrieb ext Michael Schmarck:
 
 You're not shutting down the system in a clean way.
 
 You're not? I thought that's the purpose of the whole thing?

It's more like pulling the plug, isn't it? At least none of
the shutdown scripts is run.  And if you don't run ALT + SysRq + U,
or if it just doesn't work (like hangs at some (remote) fs), 
filesystems aren't even unmounted and thus dirty and thus need
a fsck run on next boot.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Mittwoch, 2. April 2008 schrieb ext Michael Schmarck:
 Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Am Mittwoch, 2. April 2008 schrieb ext Michael Schmarck:
  You're not shutting down the system in a clean way.
 
  You're not? I thought that's the purpose of the whole thing?

 It's more like pulling the plug, isn't it? At least none of
 the shutdown scripts is run.  And if you don't run ALT + SysRq + U,
 or if it just doesn't work (like hangs at some (remote) fs),

But nobody proposed _not_ to run ALT + SysRq + U, Neil even proposed ALT + 
SysRq + EISUB, to be sure everything is killed, sync'd and unmounted.

 filesystems aren't even unmounted and thus dirty and thus need
 a fsck run on next boot.

XFS to the rescue :-)

Bye...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Dirk Heinrichs
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  But nobody proposed _not_ to run ALT + SysRq + U, Neil even proposed ALT +
  SysRq + EISUB, to be sure everything is killed, sync'd and unmounted.


There is actually a Wikipedia page that recommended remembering the
word BUSIER and then executing it backwards:

ALT+SysRq+REISUB

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Re: [gentoo-user] LVM2

2008-04-02 Thread tecnic5
What I'd check:
Make sure dm-mod is either part of the kernel or, if it's a module, make 
sure it's loaded during start-up.
Make sure lvm init script is executed on start-up.
Take a look at: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/lvm2.xml
HTH,
Abraham



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http://pastebin.com/d52c219ba

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Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:28:29 +0200, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:

 But nobody proposed _not_ to run ALT + SysRq + U, Neil even proposed
 ALT + SysRq + EISUB, to be sure everything is killed, sync'd and
 unmounted.

Just don't try to do E or I over an SSH connection. It kills the SSH
daemon and you can't reboot the box. You can guess how I learned that
one :(


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Re: [gentoo-user] gstreamer (solved sort of)

2008-04-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 08:12:27 -0600, Ted Ozolins wrote:

 Having followed your recommendations I found thet :
 emerge -Cp gstreamer showed only gstreamer-0.10. No matter what I
 tried, 

Unless you tell it otherwise, emerge always tries to operate on the
latest version of a package. You need emerge -C
media-libs/gstreamer-0.8. Even though you have manually removed the
files, you should still run this to clean up your package database.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Nvidia drivers

2008-04-02 Thread Steven Lembark


 Maybe hell will also freeze over on that day.

More likely pigs will floss...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Steven Lembark

Liviu Andronic wrote:
 On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 By the way the safest and recommended command, although a bit longish
 should be ALT+SysRq(or print)+S(ync)+U(mount)+B(Reboot).

  Since I wanted to shutdown instead of reboot, it would be ALT + SysRq + S +
 U + O then correct?

 Are there any potential harms to the hardware / system in case one
 tends to abuse (i.e. use more often than necessary) of this command?
 It's so often so tempting to shut down your system fast.

Short of a serious emergency (e.g., UPS with
30-sec lag and no input power) stick with
'shutdown -fh now'. The main problem is that
you bypass the stop phase of all the app's
started up via init.d; very little short of
just hitting the reset switch or yanking the
power.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: 2008.0 install media

2008-04-02 Thread ionut cucu
On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:09:27 -0500
Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:46:49 + (UTC)
 James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Pongracz Istvan pongracz.istvan at gmail.com writes:
  
  
I've got several boxen that need to be installed so I was hoping
to test drive 2008.0
  
   AFAIK the releng team are working on the next release (2008.0) but
   I do not know the details.
  
  
  Thanks to all that responded. I guess I'll be messing around with
  the beta versions.
  
  Thanks to all for info...
  (I did not look at gentoo.org for a few days.)
  
  
  James
  
  
  
  
 
 Install from 2007.0 with interet:
   - most recent stage3
   - most recent portage
   therefore most recent system
 Install from 2008.0-beta with internet:
   - same stage3
   - same portage
   therefore same system
 
 net benefit of 2008.0:  none.
 net drawback of 2008.0: hassle (beta)
net drawback from 2007.0:
* chipsets newer than 965P(i think), don't have PATA controller no
more, PATA is supported through another controller 2007.0 doesn't know
that so you can imagine the hassle here
* new eth cards might not be supported so yet another hassle 
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Re: [gentoo-user] ps2pdf /undefinedfilename but only when run from perl -- NEVER MIND

2008-04-02 Thread felix
Criminy.  Turned out to be a race condition and the file truly did not
exist yet; insufficient testing showed the false correlation which
made it seem like it was caused by dashes in the file name.  But the
error message didn't help -- NO SUCH FILE would have been better than
undefined.

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[gentoo-user] old ebuild

2008-04-02 Thread Felipe de Jesús Molina Bravo
Hi

I need apache 2.0.63 but it is not in my portage ... do i need to do for
it? or does where i read for it?

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Re: [gentoo-user] old ebuild

2008-04-02 Thread Lundgren

Felipe de Jesús Molina Bravo wrote:

Hi

I need apache 2.0.63 but it is not in my portage ... do i need to do for
it? or does where i read for it?

thanks in advance
  


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Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch, 2. April 2008, Steven Lembark wrote:
 Liviu Andronic wrote:
   On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   By the way the safest and recommended command, although a bit longish
   should be ALT+SysRq(or print)+S(ync)+U(mount)+B(Reboot).
  
Since I wanted to shutdown instead of reboot, it would be ALT + SysRq
   + S + U + O then correct?
  
   Are there any potential harms to the hardware / system in case one
   tends to abuse (i.e. use more often than necessary) of this command?
   It's so often so tempting to shut down your system fast.

 Short of a serious emergency (e.g., UPS with
 30-sec lag and no input power) stick with
 'shutdown -fh now'. The main problem is that
 you bypass the stop phase of all the app's
 started up via init.d; very little short of
 just hitting the reset switch or yanking the
 power.

if you do it the right way, start with 'e' and 'i', all apps are cleanly 
terminated/killed. So if an app does not quit cleanly, it is broken.

The correct sequence is: e,i,u,b/o and it is absolutly save.
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[gentoo-user] Re: Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Michael Schmarck
· Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Am Mittwoch, 2. April 2008 schrieb ext Michael Schmarck:
 Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Am Mittwoch, 2. April 2008 schrieb ext Michael Schmarck:
  You're not shutting down the system in a clean way.
 
  You're not? I thought that's the purpose of the whole thing?

 It's more like pulling the plug, isn't it? At least none of
 the shutdown scripts is run.  And if you don't run ALT + SysRq + U,
 or if it just doesn't work (like hangs at some (remote) fs),
 
 But nobody proposed _not_ to run ALT + SysRq + U,

True, but if things come to worse, you've got to do a ALT+SysRq+B
or +O, even before +U completely returned. As said, it can happen,
that U(nmount) doesn't work - and then you'd need to shutdown
anyway.

 Neil even proposed ALT +  
 SysRq + EISUB, to be sure everything is killed, sync'd and unmounted.

Which might or might not work. But note that I was also talking
about applications being in a corrupted state (the database example).

 filesystems aren't even unmounted and thus dirty and thus need
 a fsck run on next boot.
 
 XFS to the rescue :-)

Yep. Well, to be honest, I haven't had a fs die on me, because
of a Alt+SysRq+B.

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Re: [gentoo-user] old ebuild

2008-04-02 Thread Daniel Pielmeier

Felipe de Jesús Molina Bravo schrieb:

Hi

I need apache 2.0.63 but it is not in my portage ... do i need to do for
it? or does where i read for it?

thanks in advance


http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/www-servers/apache/?hideattic=0

Take a look here 2.0.63 is not there but 2.0.61! If you really need 
2.0.63 you could tweak the ebuild a bit!


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Re: [gentoo-user] old ebuild

2008-04-02 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch, 2. April 2008, Felipe de Jesús Molina Bravo wrote:
 Hi

 I need apache 2.0.63 but it is not in my portage ... do i need to do for
 it? or does where i read for it?

it is in the cvs-tree (or is it subversion)?

http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/www-servers/apache/?hideattic=0only_with_tag=MAIN

hm, seems that there have never been a 2.0.63 ebuild. But 61 should give you a 
good start.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:40:37 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote:

  Neil even proposed ALT +  
  SysRq + EISUB, to be sure everything is killed, sync'd and
  unmounted.  
 
 Which might or might not work. But note that I was also talking
 about applications being in a corrupted state (the database example).

E sends a SIGTERM to all applications. Any well behaved application
should shut down cleanly on this. I sends a SIGKILL, but it only affects
programs that were so locked up they ignored E, so you have nothing to
lose by then.


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Re: [gentoo-user] old ebuild

2008-04-02 Thread Felipe de Jesús Molina Bravo

El mié, 02-04-2008 a las 18:48 +0200, Lundgren escribió:
 Felipe de Jesús Molina Bravo wrote:
  Hi
 
  I need apache 2.0.63 but it is not in my portage ... do i need to do for
  it? or does where i read for it?
 
  thanks in advance

 
 If you want a version that old, you have to build it from source.
thanks ... 


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Re: [gentoo-user] old ebuild

2008-04-02 Thread Felipe de Jesús Molina Bravo

El mié, 02-04-2008 a las 19:45 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann escribió:
 On Mittwoch, 2. April 2008, Felipe de Jesús Molina Bravo wrote:
  Hi
 
  I need apache 2.0.63 but it is not in my portage ... do i need to do for
  it? or does where i read for it?
 
 it is in the cvs-tree (or is it subversion)?
 
 http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/www-servers/apache/?hideattic=0only_with_tag=MAIN
 
 hm, seems that there have never been a 2.0.63 ebuild. But 61 should give you 
 a 
 good start.

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Re: [gentoo-user] gstreamer (solved sort of)

2008-04-02 Thread Ted Ozolins

Neil Bothwick wrote:

On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 08:12:27 -0600, Ted Ozolins wrote:


Having followed your recommendations I found thet :
emerge -Cp gstreamer showed only gstreamer-0.10. No matter what I
tried, 


Unless you tell it otherwise, emerge always tries to operate on the
latest version of a package. You need emerge -C
media-libs/gstreamer-0.8. Even though you have manually removed the
files, you should still run this to clean up your package database.


Tried that and emerge reported no package to be removed. emerge -Cp 
gstreamer shows only -0.10


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Re: [gentoo-user] gstreamer (solved sort of)

2008-04-02 Thread Ted Ozolins

Neil Bothwick wrote:

On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 08:12:27 -0600, Ted Ozolins wrote:


Having followed your recommendations I found thet :
emerge -Cp gstreamer showed only gstreamer-0.10. No matter what I
tried, 


Unless you tell it otherwise, emerge always tries to operate on the
latest version of a package. You need emerge -C
media-libs/gstreamer-0.8. Even though you have manually removed the
files, you should still run this to clean up your package database.


Tried that and emerge reported no package to be removed. emerge -Cp 
gstreamer shows only -0.10


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Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Dale

Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:

On Mittwoch, 2. April 2008, Steven Lembark wrote:
  

Liviu Andronic wrote:
  On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  By the way the safest and recommended command, although a bit longish
  should be ALT+SysRq(or print)+S(ync)+U(mount)+B(Reboot).
 
   Since I wanted to shutdown instead of reboot, it would be ALT + SysRq
  + S + U + O then correct?
 
  Are there any potential harms to the hardware / system in case one
  tends to abuse (i.e. use more often than necessary) of this command?
  It's so often so tempting to shut down your system fast.

Short of a serious emergency (e.g., UPS with
30-sec lag and no input power) stick with
'shutdown -fh now'. The main problem is that
you bypass the stop phase of all the app's
started up via init.d; very little short of
just hitting the reset switch or yanking the
power.



if you do it the right way, start with 'e' and 'i', all apps are cleanly 
terminated/killed. So if an app does not quit cleanly, it is broken.


The correct sequence is: e,i,u,b/o and it is absolutly save.
  



Folks, keep in mind why I asked this question in the first place.  My 
power supply was frying and I needed a VERY fast shutdown.  This was not 
asked as a fast way to shutdown just because we are impatient or 
something.  This was for the event of a serious emergency where I needed 
a shutdown in just a very few seconds not a minute or two.  Some of my 
services take a while to stop, foldingathome being the longest one.


Basically, this is not intended to be used to shutdown a puter on a 
regular basis, unless you burn out P/S's on a daily basis.  O-o


Just didn't want someone to be using this on a regular basis and then 
wondering why their system has a new nickname, FUBAR.  :'(


Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:

  On Mittwoch, 2. April 2008, Steven Lembark wrote:
 
 
   Liviu Andronic wrote:
 On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 By the way the safest and recommended command, although a bit
 longish
 should be ALT+SysRq(or print)+S(ync)+U(mount)+B(Reboot).

  Since I wanted to shutdown instead of reboot, it would be ALT +
 SysRq
 + S + U + O then correct?

 Are there any potential harms to the hardware / system in case one
 tends to abuse (i.e. use more often than necessary) of this command?
 It's so often so tempting to shut down your system fast.
  
   Short of a serious emergency (e.g., UPS with
   30-sec lag and no input power) stick with
   'shutdown -fh now'. The main problem is that
   you bypass the stop phase of all the app's
   started up via init.d; very little short of
   just hitting the reset switch or yanking the
   power.
  
  
 
  if you do it the right way, start with 'e' and 'i', all apps are cleanly
 terminated/killed. So if an app does not quit cleanly, it is broken.
 
  The correct sequence is: e,i,u,b/o and it is absolutly save.
 
 


  Folks, keep in mind why I asked this question in the first place.  My power
 supply was frying and I needed a VERY fast shutdown.  This was not asked as
 a fast way to shutdown just because we are impatient or something.  This was
 for the event of a serious emergency where I needed a shutdown in just a
 very few seconds not a minute or two.  Some of my services take a while to
 stop, foldingathome being the longest one.

  Basically, this is not intended to be used to shutdown a puter on a regular
 basis, unless you burn out P/S's on a daily basis.  O-o

  Just didn't want someone to be using this on a regular basis and then
 wondering why their system has a new nickname, FUBAR.  :'(

  Dale

  :-)  :-)


Understood. I think it sort of morphed into something more general,
like what to do when the rest of us run into the occasional problem we
all run into. Yesterday our MythTV backend server crashed 4 times. It
hung completely killing X, etc. and I was in need of a good way to
bring the machine down. I found this topic both timely and helpful, at
least for future problems.

Cheers,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch, 2. April 2008, Dale wrote:
 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
  On Mittwoch, 2. April 2008, Steven Lembark wrote:
  Liviu Andronic wrote:
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
By the way the safest and recommended command, although a bit
longish should be ALT+SysRq(or print)+S(ync)+U(mount)+B(Reboot).
   
 Since I wanted to shutdown instead of reboot, it would be ALT +
SysRq + S + U + O then correct?
   
Are there any potential harms to the hardware / system in case one
tends to abuse (i.e. use more often than necessary) of this command?
It's so often so tempting to shut down your system fast.
 
  Short of a serious emergency (e.g., UPS with
  30-sec lag and no input power) stick with
  'shutdown -fh now'. The main problem is that
  you bypass the stop phase of all the app's
  started up via init.d; very little short of
  just hitting the reset switch or yanking the
  power.
 
  if you do it the right way, start with 'e' and 'i', all apps are cleanly
  terminated/killed. So if an app does not quit cleanly, it is broken.
 
  The correct sequence is: e,i,u,b/o and it is absolutly save.

 Folks, keep in mind why I asked this question in the first place.  My
 power supply was frying and I needed a VERY fast shutdown.  This was not
 asked as a fast way to shutdown just because we are impatient or
 something.  This was for the event of a serious emergency where I needed
 a shutdown in just a very few seconds not a minute or two.  Some of my
 services take a while to stop, foldingathome being the longest one.

 Basically, this is not intended to be used to shutdown a puter on a
 regular basis, unless you burn out P/S's on a daily basis.  O-o

 Just didn't want someone to be using this on a regular basis and then
 wondering why their system has a new nickname, FUBAR.  :'(

 Dale

 :-)  :-)

even in an emergency, e,i,u,b/o is the right thing to do. Just don't wait 
after the e and follow it directly by the i.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror Go menu - missing items

2008-04-02 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 02 April 2008, Crayon Shin Chan wrote:
 On Wednesday 02 April 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
  Short question: What determines how the Go menu in Konqueror is
  populated?

 have you fiddled with:

 right-click (on the taskbar menu button) -
 [Panel Menu] -
 [Configure Panel] -
 [Menus]

Thanks for answering, only one so far?

That's for the K-menu, I'm looking to populate Go on Konqueror's menu 
bar, which is something else entirely.

Anyone know? Or is my question so way out there that no-one knows?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Master - Slave MySQL Database Server

2008-04-02 Thread Mick
On Wednesday 02 April 2008, Kaushal Shriyan wrote:
 hi,

 Is there a step by step guide to set up Master - Slave MySQL Database
 Server on Gentoo

By Master - Slave do you mean a server and a client?

These may help: 

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/mysql-howto.xml
http://gentoo-wiki.com/MySQL
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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror Go menu - missing items

2008-04-02 Thread darren kirby
quoth the Alan McKinnon:

 Thanks for answering, only one so far?

 That's for the K-menu, I'm looking to populate Go on Konqueror's menu
 bar, which is something else entirely.

 Anyone know? Or is my question so way out there that no-one knows?

I've often found that the answer to these sorts of questions can by found by 
poking through the ~/.kde directory. Have a look through 
~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/ and see if you can find something promising. 
There are still a few things in kde that can only be configured through the 
text files I think...

Anyway, hopefully this will get you started until someone can give you a real 
answer ;)


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Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread darren kirby
quoth the Neil Bothwick:
 On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:28:29 +0200, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
  But nobody proposed _not_ to run ALT + SysRq + U, Neil even proposed
  ALT + SysRq + EISUB, to be sure everything is killed, sync'd and
  unmounted.

 Just don't try to do E or I over an SSH connection. It kills the SSH
 daemon and you can't reboot the box. You can guess how I learned that
 one :(

Ha. Hopefully the machine wasn't too far away physically.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:57:21 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:

 Yesterday our MythTV backend server crashed 4 times. It
 hung completely killing X, etc. and I was in need of a good way to
 bring the machine down.

You have X and a keyboard on your MythTV backend? There's no way I could
shut mine down quickly, first I have to get the ladder to get into the
loft...


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Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:19:36 -0500, Dale wrote:

 Folks, keep in mind why I asked this question in the first place.  My 
 power supply was frying and I needed a VERY fast shutdown.

I'd shutdown and stay shutdown until I could replace the PSU. PSUs are
cheap, the components a dying one can take with it are not :(


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Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Dale

Neil Bothwick wrote:

On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:19:36 -0500, Dale wrote:

  
Folks, keep in mind why I asked this question in the first place.  My 
power supply was frying and I needed a VERY fast shutdown.



I'd shutdown and stay shutdown until I could replace the PSU. PSUs are
cheap, the components a dying one can take with it are not :(


  


Well, the P/S went out right when it was unmounting at the very end of 
the shutdown process.  I had one file system that it had to replay a few 
things when I rebooted.  It was a close call since the file systems that 
wasn't unmounted was not a critical one.


I did replace the P/S with a new one tho.  After getting the rubber band 
off the fan, I did check to see if it would boot up but it just sat 
there.  I took it back apart and one of the transistors had a burnt 
spot, actually, it was a diode.  Since when those things burn out they 
are basically not repairable, I just got a new one locally.  I plan to 
get a permanent replacement from newegg soon.  The P/S I have right now 
is a A-Open or something.  It was all they had.  I did notice that the 5 
volt rail is higher than the other P/S's I have had before tho.  This 
one is at 4.97 volts where it is usually 4.91 or something.


You are right about burning out other components tho.  I have had two 
P/S's to burn out in this one rig.  So far, nothing else hurt.  I have 
some good luck I guess.


Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] uvesafb fails to work

2008-04-02 Thread Mick
On Sunday 30 March 2008, Daniel Pielmeier wrote:

 So this depend on the Video Bios of your card and you maybe can't do
 anything about it!

 Although 1280x1024 should normally work and i guess you use this
 resolution for your Desktop. How do you generate your initrd? Which card
 do you have?

 dmesg | grep uvesafb and fbset --info -v?

# dmesg | grep uvesafb
Kernel command line: root=/dev/sda3 video=uvesafb:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED],ywrap,mtrr:4 
splash=silent,fadein,theme:emergence quiet CONSOLE=/dev/tty1
uvesafb: ATI Technologies Inc., V380, 01.00, OEM: ATI RV380, VBE v2.0
uvesafb: protected mode interface info at c000:5884
uvesafb: pmi: set display start = c00c5918, set palette = c00c5964
uvesafb: pmi: ports = b010 b016 b054 b038 b03c b05c b000 b004 b0b0 b0b2 b0b4 
uvesafb: no monitor limits have been set, default refresh rate will be used
uvesafb: VBE state buffer size cannot be determined (eax=0x0, err=0)
uvesafb: scrolling: ywrap using protected mode interface, yres_virtual=1536
uvesafb: framebuffer at 0xd000, mapped to 0xf888, using 6144k, total 
16384k

fbset gives me bash: command not found.  Should have I emerged something here?  
Can't remember seeing this in the wiki article, as in it wasn't a must for fb 
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[gentoo-user] installing vmware?

2008-04-02 Thread luis jure


hello list,

i bought i laptop with windows xp pre-installed. i shrunk the windows
partition to install my gentoo linux, which is what i normally use. but
the machine is still dual boot.

several years ago (8-9) i tried a 30-days demo version of vmware and it
was quite efficient running windows in a virtual machine under linux.

now i found that there are many ebuilds to install vmware, and i'm a
bit confused:

first, there are many different ebuilds, what do i need to run the
windows xp i have installed in a different partition?

second, vmware is not free in the sense that you have to buy it, what
does the ebuild install? a free version? a demo?

i found a few pages on the net explaining how to install vmware on
gentoo, but i'm not clear about those issues. thanks for any hint.

best,

lj
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Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:58:22 -0600, darren kirby wrote:

  Just don't try to do E or I over an SSH connection. It kills the SSH
  daemon and you can't reboot the box. You can guess how I learned that
  one :(  
 
 Ha. Hopefully the machine wasn't too far away physically.

Yards, fortunately :)


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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror Go menu - missing items

2008-04-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 22:06:37 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

 That's for the K-menu, I'm looking to populate Go on Konqueror's menu 
 bar, which is something else entirely.

Does it reappear if you create a new user?


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Re: [gentoo-user] installing vmware?

2008-04-02 Thread b.n.

Michael Higgins ha scritto:

On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 19:10:20 -0300
luis jure [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



hello list,


[8]


i found a few pages on the net explaining how to install vmware on
gentoo, but i'm not clear about those issues. thanks for any hint.


http://archiver.mailfighter.net/gentoo-user/2008/January/1600.html

My recent experience.


Wow, what an hell!
My experience with vmware itself (I use vmware-player and that known 
website that creates images, I don't remember the url) is a lot 
smoother. However I never tried to run a system already installed on 
another partition.


I've never tried Virtualbox, but I heard a lot of praise on it. Can it 
run a system installed on a disk partition?


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Re: [gentoo-user] installing vmware?

2008-04-02 Thread Michael Higgins
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 19:10:20 -0300
luis jure [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 hello list,

[8]

 
 i found a few pages on the net explaining how to install vmware on
 gentoo, but i'm not clear about those issues. thanks for any hint.

http://archiver.mailfighter.net/gentoo-user/2008/January/1600.html

My recent experience.

HTH.

Cheers,

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Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Hal Martin
Dale wrote:
 Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:19:36 -0500, Dale wrote:

  
 Folks, keep in mind why I asked this question in the first place. 
 My power supply was frying and I needed a VERY fast shutdown.
 

 I'd shutdown and stay shutdown until I could replace the PSU. PSUs are
 cheap, the components a dying one can take with it are not :(


   

 Well, the P/S went out right when it was unmounting at the very end of
 the shutdown process.  I had one file system that it had to replay a
 few things when I rebooted.  It was a close call since the file
 systems that wasn't unmounted was not a critical one.
I can no longer contain my curiosity. How did you know it was frying?
Smell, smoke? Normally, when something like that fails, it will fail too
quickly for you to do anything about it.

 I did replace the P/S with a new one tho.  After getting the rubber
 band off the fan, I did check to see if it would boot up but it just
 sat there.  I took it back apart and one of the transistors had a
 burnt spot, actually, it was a diode.  Since when those things burn
 out they are basically not repairable, I just got a new one locally. 
 I plan to get a permanent replacement from newegg soon.  The P/S I
 have right now is a A-Open or something.  It was all they had.  I did
 notice that the 5 volt rail is higher than the other P/S's I have had
 before tho.  This one is at 4.97 volts where it is usually 4.91 or
 something.
Ah yes, the old dead fan problem... that's why I keep a can of
compressed air near my desk, and if not that, a pair of full lungs. ;-)

A low quality PSU shouldn't be too bad, for the time being. However, I
wouldn't recommend running on one for longer than necessary. I've had
friends who trusted case PSUs a little too much, and paid the price.

 You are right about burning out other components tho.  I have had two
 P/S's to burn out in this one rig.  So far, nothing else hurt.  I have
 some good luck I guess.
Sounds like it. Hey, can I borrow some of that luck? You'll get it back
in *almost* mint condition.

 Dale

-Hal
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Re: [gentoo-user] installing vmware?

2008-04-02 Thread luis jure
El Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:12:15 +0200
b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:

 My experience with vmware itself (I use vmware-player and that known 
 website that creates images, I don't remember the url) is a lot 
 smoother. However I never tried to run a system already installed on 
 another partition.

that's a good question. does anyone know if vmware-player can run a
system already installed on a different partition?

 
 I've never tried Virtualbox, but I heard a lot of praise on it. Can
 it run a system installed on a disk partition?

i just discovered virtualbox, it looks like an interesting alternative.
has anyone tried it? after reading michael's experience i'm not very
enthusiastic about installing vmware...
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Re: [gentoo-user] Master - Slave MySQL Database Server

2008-04-02 Thread Daniel da Veiga
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 4:39 AM, Kaushal Shriyan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hi,

  Is there a step by step guide to set up Master - Slave MySQL Database
  Server on Gentoo


AFAIK there is no such howto (I assume you mean Replication when you
say Master x Slave setup). Maybe cause MySQL has a complete howto on
how to enable this on ANY MYSQL installed on any system, even on
different OSs. There's no difference on the OS part if the MySQL
database is replicating or not...

Just follow:

http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/replication-howto.html
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/replication.html

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[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Michael Schmarck
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:40:37 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote:
 
  Neil even proposed ALT +
  SysRq + EISUB, to be sure everything is killed, sync'd and
  unmounted.
 
 Which might or might not work. But note that I was also talking
 about applications being in a corrupted state (the database example).
 
 E sends a SIGTERM to all applications. Any well behaved application
 should shut down cleanly on this. 

No doubt :) But if the app hangs, it might not respond to TERM.

 I sends a SIGKILL, but it only affects 
 programs that were so locked up they ignored E, so you have nothing to
 lose by then.

Correct.

But nonetheless, there's still the risk that the KILL has 
destroyed the application database (sort of - more correctly:
that the application and its database was in a non consistent
state when it received the signal).

Michael

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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror Go menu - missing items

2008-04-02 Thread Uwe Thiem
On Wednesday 02 April 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On Wednesday 02 April 2008, Crayon Shin Chan wrote:
  On Wednesday 02 April 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
   Short question: What determines how the Go menu in Konqueror is
   populated?
 
  have you fiddled with:
 
  right-click (on the taskbar menu button) -
  [Panel Menu] -
  [Configure Panel] -
  [Menus]

 Thanks for answering, only one so far?

 That's for the K-menu, I'm looking to populate Go on Konqueror's
 menu bar, which is something else entirely.

 Anyone know? Or is my question so way out there that no-one knows?


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Basically, it is the history of your browsing. *You* populate it by 
browsing different sites.

Uwe

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