Re: [gentoo-user] OT: I want to get excited, but I just *know* they're going to mess it up...
On 30 Jan 2010, at 00:06, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:21:33 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On the other hand, centralised storage means you shouldn't get idiots posting out CDs with millions of people's bank account details. There again, if the admins are lax enough to allow people to do this, and people are daft enough to do it, they would have real trouble understanding the concept of central storage :( You seem to grossly under-estimate the ability of the average idiot. We don't have average idiots in /our/ civil service! No, we hire them as consultants. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] gnome keychain
On Friday 29 January 2010 19:45:53 Roger Mason wrote: Hello, I have previously used keychain as per the gentoo docs. Once I supplied the SSH passphrase at the console I was able to access other machines without providing a password. I have just started using gnome and am logging in using gdm. When I log in I am not asked for a passphrase. If I start a screen session in an xterm I'm prompted for my passphrase. Then I start a new xterm and use it to ssh to another machine and a dialogue opens asking for the passphrase. I would like to know how to configure gdm/gnome to ask for the passprhase once, at login so that I don't have to enter it multiple times. Thanks, Roger try to install app-crypt/seahorse and maybe app-crypt/seahorse-plugins
Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot print pdf documents from KDE4
On Friday 29 January 2010 22:04:44 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:19:46 +, Mick wrote: I checked another machine (of a similar build) which does not seem to have app-text/poppler emerged (only app-text/poppler-data, app-text/poppler-utils, dev-libs/poppler, dev-libs/poppler-qt4, virtual/poppler, virtual/poppler-qt4, virtual/poppler-utils). What arch are you running on these machines? poppler recently moved from dev-libs to app-text on ~arch. This looks like you could be running the stable arch with a number of packages in portage.keywords? They are both running stable x86, with the only keyworded package being: ~kde- misc/kim4-0.9.5 What's the right way to proceed here? I see that app-text/poppler does not show the lcms flag until version 0.12.3-r2, which is currently in testing. I take it that app-text/poppler is not a dependency because it would have been pulled in when I emerged whichever meta package brought in Dophin/Konqueror. Is it that in time dev-libs/poppler will be deprecated and app-text/poppler will be pulled in then? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Firefox-bin does not find my CUPS-Printers
As of lately my Firefox-bin (running on AMD64) does not find any of my CUPS Printers, only Print to File and LPR are available for printing. From every other program I can print normally (even from gtk-demo - printing) I have looked at http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=266678 but that did not help. -- Dan Johansson, http://www.dmj.nu *** This message is printed on 100% recycled electrons! ***
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: I want to get excited, but I just *know* they're going to mess it up...
On Saturday 30 January 2010 02:06:42 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:21:33 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On the other hand, centralised storage means you shouldn't get idiots posting out CDs with millions of people's bank account details. There again, if the admins are lax enough to allow people to do this, and people are daft enough to do it, they would have real trouble understanding the concept of central storage :( You seem to grossly under-estimate the ability of the average idiot. We don't have average idiots in /our/ civil service! What? You actively seek out the *special* idiots then? [Or this is a Monty Python in-joke and I'm not getting it] -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] gnome keychain
Hi Alexander, Alexander b3n...@yandex.ru writes: On Friday 29 January 2010 19:45:53 Roger Mason wrote: I would like to know how to configure gdm/gnome to ask for the passprhase once, at login so that I don't have to enter it multiple times. Thanks, Roger try to install app-crypt/seahorse and maybe app-crypt/seahorse-plugins I have seahorse installed and it is in the list of startup apps under Preferences. I _am_ being asked for a _passphrase_ when I try to ssh to another machine (although the dialogue calls it a _password_). I have no idea which application is popping up this dialogue. Having supplied the passphrase I can ssh to the remote machine without being asked again for the passphrase. However, if I then open an xterm on my local machine and start an xterm inside it I am prompted for the passphrase again, on the xterm, not in a dialogue box. Thanks, Roger
Re: [gentoo-user] skype masked because of eula?
Hi, add to your /etc/portage/package.license : net-im/skype skype-eula This will unmask skype. regards, Boris Could someone explain the purpose of this new portage feature? I was hoping adding a license to package.license would negate the need to agree to the license when emerging, but it doesn't seem to do that. - Grant This is confusing me ... I have skype-2.0.0.72 installed for some time now. eix -l skype shows: [I] net-im/skype Available versions: 2.0.0.72!m!s amd64 x86 [qt-static] ~ 2.1.0.81+i!m!s ~amd64 ~x86 [qt-static] Installed versions: 2.0.0.72!m!s(06:22:21 04/15/09)(-qt-static) Homepage: http://www.skype.com/ Description: A P2P-VoiceIP client. However, after updating portage I see: Calculating dependencies... done! Total: 0 packages, Size of downloads: 0 kB !!! The following installed packages are masked: - net-im/skype-2.0.0.72 (masked by: skype-eula license(s)) A copy of the 'skype-eula' license is located at '/usr/portage/licenses/skype- eula'. Is portage telling me that I need to do something about the eula? eix does not show this version as being masked. -- Regards, Mick
[gentoo-user] icedtea6-bin or sun-jdk?
It looks like my installed icedtea6-bin and sun-jdk are both depended on by virtual/jdk-1.6.0. I think I can choose one or the other, right? Does icedtea6-bin work as well as sun-jdk? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] icedtea6-bin or sun-jdk?
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 09:48:52AM -0800, Grant wrote: It looks like my installed icedtea6-bin and sun-jdk are both depended on by virtual/jdk-1.6.0. I think I can choose one or the other, right? Does icedtea6-bin work as well as sun-jdk? You *should* be able to use either one. There is one (non-portage) java software I use that has problems with icedtea: it runs, but cannot play any sounds. sun-jdk does not have the problem. Pick one, set your java-vm to it, and you should be able to unmerge the other with no ill effects. Cheers, W -- Willie W. Wong ww...@math.princeton.edu Data aequatione quotcunque fluentes quantitae involvente fluxiones invenire et vice versa ~~~ I. Newton
Re: [gentoo-user] skype masked because of eula?
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 09:43:22AM -0800, Grant wrote: Hi, add to your /etc/portage/package.license : net-im/skype skype-eula This will unmask skype. regards, Could someone explain the purpose of this new portage feature? I was hoping adding a license to package.license would negate the need to agree to the license when emerging, but it doesn't seem to do that. Really? are you sure you don't have a typo? I don't use package.license, but I put ACCEPT_LICENSE=skype-eula in my make.conf and emerged skype with no problems nor prompts. What did you see after performing Boris's suggestions? W -- Willie W. Wong ww...@math.princeton.edu Data aequatione quotcunque fluentes quantitae involvente fluxiones invenire et vice versa ~~~ I. Newton
Re: [gentoo-user] icedtea6-bin or sun-jdk?
Am Samstag, 30. Januar 2010 schrieb Willie Wong: On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 09:48:52AM -0800, Grant wrote: It looks like my installed icedtea6-bin and sun-jdk are both depended on by virtual/jdk-1.6.0. I think I can choose one or the other, right? Does icedtea6-bin work as well as sun-jdk? You *should* be able to use either one. There is one (non-portage) java software I use that has problems with icedtea: it runs, but cannot play any sounds. sun-jdk does not have the problem. Pick one, set your java-vm to it, and you should be able to unmerge the other with no ill effects. My Question about RDEPEND (from 18 hours ago) was about the very same topic, though from the other end. I've got only one installed, but jdk wants to pull in both. I’m also pondering with the idea of ditching sun-jdk for icedtea, because the latter is only a third in size of the former. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' Do not handicap your children by making their lives easy. (R. Heinlein) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: I want to get excited, but I just *know* they're going to mess it up...
On Sat, 2010-01-30 at 00:06 +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:21:33 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: You seem to grossly under-estimate the ability of the average idiot. We don't have average idiots in /our/ civil service! What kind of idiots do you have working here? The finest in New York! (gratuitous movie quote...) -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au When you speak to others for their own good it's advice; when they speak to you for your own good it's interference.
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about RDEPEND
On Sat, 2010-01-30 at 03:32 +0100, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: Hi there, a while ago, I emerged virtual/jdk, and prior to it sun-jdk in order to direct manually what the virtual shall pull in. But now, virtual/jdk wants to install dev-java/icedtea as well: ,--[ emerge -tpuvD world ] | Calculating dependencies... done! | [nomerge ] media-tv/tvbrowser-2.7.4 USE=-doc -source -themes | [nomerge ] dev-java/skinlf-6.7 USE=-examples -source | [nomerge ] dev-java/xalan-2.7.1 USE=-doc -source | [nomerge ]virtual/jdk-1.6.0 | [ebuild N] dev-java/icedtea6-bin-1.6.2 USE=X alsa nsplugin -doc -examples -source 35,393 kB `-- Even though I understand from the virtual’s ebuild that it needs one and only one of those: RDEPEND=|| ( amd64? ( dev-java/icedtea6-bin ) x86? ( dev-java/icedtea6-bin ) amd64? ( =dev-java/sun-jdk-1.6.0* ) x86? ( =dev-java/sun-jdk-1.6.0* ) =dev-java/ibm-jdk-bin-1.6.0* =dev-java/hp-jdk-bin-1.6.0* =dev-java/diablo-jdk-1.6.0* =dev-java/soylatte-jdk-bin-1.0* =dev-java/apple-jdk-bin-1.6.0* =dev-java/winjdk-bin-1.6.0* ) Am I getting something wrong here? Why is it pulling in icedtea? I’m on x86 BTW. from my understanding of the any of many RDEPEND=|| ... syntax, it should do what you expect and not pull in icedtea. However I remember that sun-jdk requires a license acceptance which has changed recently, so maybe sun-jdk is now masked on your system, hence the need for something else. What is the complete emerge output? Look for any masked or license restricted packages. I added this to /etc/portage/package.license: dev-java/sun-jdk dlj-1.1 HTH, -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au What does it mean in the sentence What time is it??
Re: [gentoo-user] dlna Gentoo
On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 15:21 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Friday 29 January 2010 14:12:10 Iain Buchanan wrote: what contract? I don't know how it is where you are, Australia :) but in the UK, as I understand it, every sale is deemed to embody an implied contract* between buyer and seller. Either party is always free to specify whatever conditions he likes prior to the sale, and the other can accept them or not. That sounds like a good law! Here you could take a product back if the salesperson had wrongly promised it provided some feature, but the further the feature strays from the average users requirements the less likely you are to get such a promise. For example I returned an amp because it was advertised as 7.1 but was really 5.1 with a stereo B channel, so it looked like it had 7 outputs. However if I asked if the dlna feature was system independent, I probably wouldn't get a promise. IMHO some stores are happy for me to open boxes, look at manuals, even return gear if it doesn't work like I expect, but some aren't. I understand we the people don't have the same buying power in Australia (compared to the UK), and the media doesn't have the same influence over customer service here as they do in the UK. Sorry buddy, that's just how they make 'em. Take it up with the manufacturer is what I'd expect to hear. Perhaps. Depends how badly they want the business, I suppose. Either that or You want to do what? What's Linux? Who mentioned intended use, or Linux? Just stipulate that the goods must not require any particular software to operate. Simple - assuming that your legal system works similarly enough to ours, of course. It was just a suggestion, anyway. Take it or leave it. :-) A good suggestion :) I was just surprised that your wording sounded like it's common practise to ask for slightly different terms before the sale, and have them accepted. What happens when businesses just tell their salespeople not to agree to extra terms? Surely there's still enough demand in the general simple-requirement public to keep up sales? * Apart from the ones with specific contracts, naturally. cya, -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Hitchcock's Staple Principle: The stapler runs out of staples only while you are trying to staple something.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: dlna amp; Gentoo
On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 15:14 +, James wrote: I was hoping to avoid this, with an integrated, Gentoo controllable amp/receiver unit. Nobody has found such hardware ? Surely there is an integrated product that feature embedded linux on a uP and user friendly with browser other than IExploder? surely there is an open product that could be nicely controlled, maybe / maybe not linux. Finding and testing it before you buy might be the issue. -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au No bird soars too high if he soars with his own wings. -- William Blake
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about RDEPEND
Am Samstag, 30. Januar 2010 schrieb Iain Buchanan: On Sat, 2010-01-30 at 03:32 +0100, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: Hi there, a while ago, I emerged virtual/jdk, and prior to it sun-jdk in order to direct manually what the virtual shall pull in. But now, virtual/jdk wants to install dev-java/icedtea as well. [...] Even though I understand from the virtual’s ebuild that it needs one and only one of those. [...] Am I getting something wrong here? Why is it pulling in icedtea? I’m on x86 BTW. [...] However I remember that sun-jdk requires a license acceptance which has changed recently, so maybe sun-jdk is now masked on your system, hence the need for something else. What is the complete emerge output? Look for any masked or license restricted packages. I added this to /etc/portage/package.license: dev-java/sun-jdk dlj-1.1 Indeed there's an output concerning a lincence. I ignored it because in the past I had loads of messages there about masked or missing ebuilds due to the phasing-out of KDE3, which I still run. In that case though I would have expected portage wanting to remove sun-jdk because of a licence issue. Oh well, guess that's solved then. :-) -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' Killing for peace is like fucking for virginity. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] dlna Gentoo
On Saturday 30 January 2010 06:04:58 Iain Buchanan wrote: On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 15:21 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Friday 29 January 2010 14:12:10 Iain Buchanan wrote: what contract? I don't know how it is where you are, Australia :) Ah! I'd forgotten, but I still wouldn't have known how the law works there. but in the UK, as I understand it, every sale is deemed to embody an implied contract* between buyer and seller. Either party is always free to specify whatever conditions he likes prior to the sale, and the other can accept them or not. That sounds like a good law! I don't think it was enacted specifically - it's one of a considerable body of common law that did as Topsy did, but over several centuries: it just growed. Here you could take a product back if the salesperson had wrongly promised it provided some feature, but the further the feature strays from the average users requirements the less likely you are to get such a promise. That's reasonable, but what's to stop you from calling a supervisor over and making sure they both understood your one simple requirement? You would then be able to prove, later, that they'd broken the agreement by supplying unsuitable goods. Maybe your system isn't so different from ours after all. I was just surprised that your wording sounded like it's common practise to ask for slightly different terms before the sale, and have them accepted. It isn't common practice, because of course most people just go with the flow, but I'm thinking of the case when one particular detail is especially important to you, sufficiently to warrant special measures, as it is here. There's been quite a lot of legal exploration of the possibilities over the years, and what I said is, I believe (as a non-specialist), the current, firmly established state of the art. What happens when businesses just tell their salespeople not to agree to extra terms? Surely there's still enough demand in the general simple-requirement public to keep up sales? In that case you take your custom elsewhere, and let them know why. And of course you'd expect an unusual demand such as this to be sent up the line to someone who could make a decision. -- Rgds Peter. PS. (OT) This reminds me of an experience my father had in Nottingham in the 50s. He was in a branch of a national chain of pharmacists' on a Saturday afternoon; he'd chosen his product and was waiting at the till for a girl to take his money (they were always girls on a Saturday). Several of them were in a corner, gossiping and doing their nails. Eventually he announced loudly If I'm not served soon I'll take my custom elsewhere! They looked up, blankly, and went back to their nails. He took his custom elsewhere and forever after called Nottingham a one-horse town. It didn't do his blood pressure any good either.
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about RDEPEND
On Saturday 30 January 2010 06:13:16 Iain Buchanan wrote: What does it mean in the sentence What time is it?? The present; the moment we're existing in. More profound: what does time mean in the sentence What time is it?? -- Rgds Peter.
[gentoo-user] Kaffeine-1.0_pre2: No dvbt source
Hi, As desktop I am using openbopx, no session manager like xfce, gnome, kde and such. But I am using kde-applications as needed like k3b and kaffeine. My previous installation of kaffeine (0.98/KDE3* or something like this) works same goes for k3b in the kde3 version. No I installed kaffeine and k3b for kde4*. Neither k3b nor kaffeine seems to see any device under /dev/. I cannot start a channel scan since kaffeine has no source. Neither I can read nor write any cd with k3b since with the installation of the new k3b all my cd/dvd-burners seem to have gone away :-/ Addtionally the configuration dialog of k3b give me no chance to configure the devices by hand despite the fact that the help states the opposite. The permissions of /dev/hda /dev/hdb (burners) and the dvb-t device hasn't changed since the installation. Something is missing and being installed or configured. Searching with google gaves me entries of the kaffeine mailing list of 2008. What can I do to fix this problem? Kind regards, mcc -- Please don't send me any Word- or Powerpoint-Attachments unless it's absolutely neccessary. - Send simply Text. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html In a world without fences and walls nobody needs gates and windows.
Re: [gentoo-user] Kaffeine-1.0_pre2: No dvbt source
meino.cra...@gmx.de meino.cra...@gmx.de [10-01-31 06:28]: Hi, As desktop I am using openbopx, no session manager like xfce, gnome, kde and such. But I am using kde-applications as needed like k3b and kaffeine. My previous installation of kaffeine (0.98/KDE3* or something like this) works same goes for k3b in the kde3 version. No I installed kaffeine and k3b for kde4*. Neither k3b nor kaffeine seems to see any device under /dev/. I cannot start a channel scan since kaffeine has no source. Neither I can read nor write any cd with k3b since with the installation of the new k3b all my cd/dvd-burners seem to have gone away :-/ Addtionally the configuration dialog of k3b give me no chance to configure the devices by hand despite the fact that the help states the opposite. The permissions of /dev/hda /dev/hdb (burners) and the dvb-t device hasn't changed since the installation. Something is missing and being installed or configured. Searching with google gaves me entries of the kaffeine mailing list of 2008. What can I do to fix this problem? Kind regards, mcc -- Hi, ...now it works! DONT ASK ME WHY! But both applications now see the devices. Best regards, mcc -- Please don't send me any Word- or Powerpoint-Attachments unless it's absolutely neccessary. - Send simply Text. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html In a world without fences and walls nobody needs gates and windows.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: dlna amp; Gentoo
On Saturday 30 January 2010 07:56:12 Iain Buchanan wrote: On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 15:14 +, James wrote: I was hoping to avoid this, with an integrated, Gentoo controllable amp/receiver unit. Nobody has found such hardware ? Surely there is an integrated product that feature embedded linux on a uP and user friendly with browser other than IExploder? surely there is an open product that could be nicely controlled, maybe / maybe not linux. Finding and testing it before you buy might be the issue. It sounds like the hardware the OP is after is a bit unusual, not the kind of thing you'd get in a High St department store. Here where I live, it's quite easy to find specialists for that kind of stuff, small firms that often do installations as well. I've always found them to be very willing to cater to the customer - they don't have thousands of them streaming in the door. Approach them on the basis of two knowledgeable techies figuring something out, and they are usually quite helpful. Well that's how it generally works here. Different attitudes might prevail elsewhere. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
