date:20110525

James writes:

 Anyone running pf-sources?
 
 AMD64?

Yes! Since two hours after I read your posting, never heard before of pf-
sources or BFS before.
And they run great! My system was somewhat unresponsive, especially when 
things like emerges were going on, video playback was stuttering, sometimes 
Amarok did this, too. Now, it's no problem any more. Well, activating Strigi 
desktop indexing and Nepomuk still slows things down, though.

 Your insights and experiences are most welcome,
 including your opinion of BFS...

It rocks!
But then, I have been running ck-sources before. And they also have the BFS 
patch. And it has been set in my .config. So, I should already have seen the 
benefits all the time.

Maybe this is all wishful thinking only? The system already performs much, 
much better since I added another 2G of RAM one week ago. Now I have 8G, and 
do not notice that much swapping any more. Although... right now,  swap is 
at 600M, and the system is swapping right now. Weird. I'm running rdiff-
backup, this seems to increase swap size. Maybe too much of the stuff it 
precesses is being cached? Swap is at 800M now.

Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:00:03AM +0200, Walter Dnes wrote:
 On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 11:31:40PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote
 
  No, I think you need to get real. It's 2011, what did you expect? 
 
   Here's what I don't expect.  I run a tight ship on my machine.  I
 currently have gnumeric and AbiWord and libreoffice-bin running uncer
 icewm.  In order to get emerge -p app-office/kword to actually start,
 I had to...
 
 !) remove sys-apps/dbus from /etc/portage/package.mask
 
 2) add the following to /etc/portage/package.use
 
 x11-libs/qt-sql qt3support
 x11-libs/qt-core qt3support ssl exceptions
 x11-libs/qt-gui  qt3support accessibility dbus
 x11-libs/qt-qt3support accessibility kde
 x11-libs/qt-svg accessibility
 x11-libs/qt-opengl qt3support
 x11-libs/qt-webkit kde
 sys-block/parted device-mapper
 sys-fs/udev extras
 sys-auth/consolekit policykit
 x11-libs/qt-declarative qt3support
 
 3) and here is the 390 megabytes of stuff to emerge...
 gebuild  N] dev-libs/libgpg-error-1.10  USE=-common-lisp -nls 
 -static-libs 
 [ebuild  N] dev-libs/libical-0.43 
 [ebuild  N] dev-util/boost-build-1.42.0  USE=-examples -python 
 [ebuild  N] sys-apps/sdparm-1.03 
 [ebuild  N] sys-power/pm-quirks-20100619 
 [ebuild  N] sys-block/eject-2.1.5-r2  USE=-nls 
 [ebuild  N] kde-base/oxygen-icons-4.6.2  USE=(-aqua) (-kdeenablefinal) 
 (-kdeprefix) 
 [ebuild  N] sys-apps/dbus-1.4.6  USE=X -debug -doc (-selinux) 
 -static-libs -test 
 [ebuild  N] dev-cpp/eigen-2.0.13  USE=-debug -doc -examples 
 [ebuild  N] dev-libs/libassuan-2.0.1  USE=-static-libs 
 [ebuild  N] dev-libs/cyrus-sasl-2.1.23-r1  USE=-authdaemond -berkdb 
 -crypt -gdbm -java -kerberos -ldap -mysql -ntlm_unsupported_patch -pam 
 -postgres -sample -sqlite -srp -ssl -urandom 
 [ebuild  N] dev-libs/libksba-1.2.0  USE=-static-libs 
 [ebuild  N] dev-libs/libgcrypt-1.4.6  USE=-static-libs 
 [ebuild  N] dev-libs/pth-2.0.7-r2  USE=-debug 
 [ebuild  N] app-admin/eselect-boost-0.3 
 [ebuild  NS   ] app-text/docbook-xml-dtd-4.2-r2 [4.3-r1]
 [ebuild  N] dev-libs/libpcre-8.12  USE=bzip2 (unicode) zlib -cxx 
 -recursion-limit -static-libs 
 [ebuild  N] x11-libs/libXScrnSaver-1.2.1  USE=-static-libs 
 [ebuild  N] kde-base/kde-env-4.6.2  USE=(-aqua) (-kdeenablefinal) 
 (-kdeprefix) 
 [ebuild  N] sys-apps/attr-2.4.44  USE=-nls 
 [ebuild  N] dev-cpp/clucene-0.9.21b-r1  USE=threads -debug -doc 
 -static-libs 
 [ebuild  NS   ] virtual/libusb-0 [1]
 [ebuild  N] virtual/eject-0 
 [ebuild  N] app-crypt/pinentry-0.8.0  USE=-caps -gtk -ncurses -qt4 
 -static 
 [ebuild  N] dev-libs/dbus-glib-0.92  USE=-bash-completion -debug -doc 
 -static-libs -test 
 [ebuild  N] app-crypt/gnupg-2.0.17  USE=bzip2 -adns -caps -doc -ldap 
 -nls -openct -pcsc-lite (-selinux) -smartcard -static 
 [ebuild  N] dev-libs/boost-1.42.0-r2  USE=-debug -doc -eselect -icu -mpi 
 -python -static-libs -test -tools 
 [ebuild  N] app-misc/strigi-0.7.1  USE=exif -clucene -dbus -debug -fam 
 -hyperestraier -inotify (-log) -qt4 -test 
 [ebuild  N] sys-apps/acl-2.2.49  USE=(-nfs) -nls 
 [ebuild  N] sys-power/pm-utils-1.4.1  USE=-alsa -debug -networkmanager 
 -ntp VIDEO_CARDS=intel -radeon 
 [ebuild   R   ] sys-fs/udev-151-r4  USE=extras* 
 [ebuild  N] app-crypt/gpgme-1.3.0  USE=-common-lisp -pth 
 [ebuild  N] sys-fs/lvm2-2.02.73-r1  USE=(-clvm) (-cman) -lvm1 -readline 
 (-selinux) -static 
 [ebuild  N] dev-libs/libatasmart-0.17  USE=-static-libs 
 [ebuild  N] sys-block/parted-2.3  USE=device-mapper -debug -nls 
 -readline (-selinux) 
 [ebuild  N] x11-libs/qt-core-4.7.2-r1  USE=exceptions qt3support ssl 
 (-aqua) -debug -glib -iconv -jit -optimized-qmake -pch -private-headers 
 [ebuild  N] x11-libs/qt-sql-4.7.2  USE=qt3support (-aqua) -debug 
 -exceptions (-firebird) -freetds -iconv -mysql -odbc -pch -postgres -sqlite 
 [ebuild  N] x11-libs/qt-script-4.7.2  USE=(-aqua) -debug -exceptions 
 -iconv -jit -pch -private-headers 
 [ebuild  N] x11-libs/qt-test-4.7.2  USE=(-aqua) -debug -exceptions 
 -iconv -pch 
 [ebuild  N] dev-util/automoc-0.9.88 
 [ebuild  N] x11-libs/qt-dbus-4.7.2  USE=(-aqua) -debug -exceptions -pch 
 [ebuild  N] x11-libs/qt-xmlpatterns-4.7.2  USE=(-aqua) -debug -pch 
 [ebuild  N] dev-libs/soprano-2.6.0  USE=-clucene -dbus -debug -doc 
 -raptor -redland -test -virtuoso 
 [ebuild  N] app-crypt/qca-2.0.3  USE=(-aqua) -debug -doc -examples 
 [ebuild  N] dev-libs/libattica-0.2.0  USE=-debug 
 [ebuild  N] x11-libs/qt-gui-4.7.2  USE=accessibility dbus mng qt3support 
 tiff (-aqua) -cups -debug -egl -exceptions -glib -gtkstyle -nas -nis -pch 
 -private-headers -raster -trace -xinerama 
 [ebuild  N] x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.7.2  USE=accessibility kde (-aqua) 
 -debug -exceptions -pch -phonon 
 [ebuild  N] x11-libs/qt-svg-4.7.2  USE=accessibility (-aqua) -debug 
 -exceptions -iconv -pch 
 [ebuild  N] x11-libs/qt-opengl-4.7.2

[gentoo-user] Re: pf-sources Kernel

2011-05-25 Thread Nikos Chantziaras


On 05/25/2011 03:12 PM, Alex Schuster wrote:

[...] Now I have 8G, and
do not notice that much swapping any more. Although... right now,  swap is
at 600M, and the system is swapping right now. Weird. I'm running rdiff-
backup, this seems to increase swap size. Maybe too much of the stuff it
precesses is being cached? Swap is at 800M now.


You can tweak this in /etc/sysctl.conf:

  vm.swappiness = 30

Or maybe 20.  The default is 60.  IMO way too high for desktop systems.

[gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird bug?

2011-05-25 Thread James

Jeremy McSpadden deface at uberpenguin.net writes:


 Make sure your client is set to auth before sending. Simple fix.

Been down that road can had conversations with ISP admins.
That's not the issue. The same email address works, if
I cut and past it into the To field of thunderbird.
All other email address work just fine from thunderbird.

I cannot find any related bugs..?


Does click the blue redirected address work on craigslist for
 anyone running thunderbird on Gentoo?


If so, it might be my flag setting?

R   ] mail-client/thunderbird-3.1.10  USE=alsa crypt dbus 
gnome ldap libnotify lightning startup-notification

I'm running kde 4.6, if that should matter...
I'm going to rebuild thunderbird, just for grins.

Stumped.

James

Swap performance (was: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: pf-sources Kernel)

Nikos Chantziaras writes:

 On 05/25/2011 03:12 PM, Alex Schuster wrote:
  [...] Now I have 8G, and
  do not notice that much swapping any more. Although... right now,  swap
  is at 600M, and the system is swapping right now. Weird. I'm running
  rdiff- backup, this seems to increase swap size. Maybe too much of the
  stuff it precesses is being cached? Swap is at 800M now.
 
 You can tweak this in /etc/sysctl.conf:
 
vm.swappiness = 30
 
 Or maybe 20.  The default is 60.  IMO way too high for desktop systems.

Good idea, but I'm using 20 already.

I'll start another thread about this.

Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Indi thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com wrote:
 For people already running kde it's ok, but for the rest of us
 it's a bit ridiculous, isn't it?

If he was already using Qt4, it might not have seemed so bad. ;) I
think much of that list are from Qt4 and its dependencies. Other than
kdelibs, kde-env, kdepimlibs, oxygen-icons I don't see much generic
KDE stuff (not counting koffice since that's what he was installing).

[gentoo-user] Swap performance

Hi there!

I still wonder why my KDE4 system starts swapping so early. Until a week 
ago, I had 6G of RAM, but after a day of being logged in, I usually had some 
swap usage. Sometimes this goes up to 1.5G, this is when the system becomes 
way too slow and I log out.

Normally I don't mind having swap, I always had. But to me it looks like
this is worse than it should be. From the point when swapping starts, it's 
nearly permanent, like, when switching applications and desktops. As if
important stuff were swapped out that will be needed again soon. While 
unimportant stuff stays in memory.

This was even worse when using the ati-drivers/fglrx, but at the moment
I'm using xf86-video-ati with xorg-server-1.10.1.901 and KMS.
echo 1  /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches helps a little, but not much. And not
for long.

Sometimes I quit memory-hungry applications like Kontact, Amarok and TV
Browser and restart them immediately afterwards. Memory usage has
dropped, and desktop switching is fast again, once I went to every desktop 
so that stuff will be swapped in. BTW, vm.swappiness is set to 20.

Or I do a 'swapoff -a  swapon -a', this empties the swap and also
frees memory. But this takes _quite_ _a_ _while_. Once I measured 37 minutes 
to clear 1G of swap.
But I do not remember how much memory was being used then, so I tried 
again, after closing memory-intensive applications:

weird ~ # free -m
 total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:  5721   4184   1536  0 34111
-/+ buffers/cache:   4039   1682
Swap: 4093885   3208

weird ~ # time swapoff -a

real27m8.757s
user2m12.284s
sys 21m37.089s

weird ~ # free -m
 total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:  5721   4785936  0 53409
-/+ buffers/cache:   4322   1398
Swap:0  0  0

So, 27 minutes to put 885MB of swap back into RAM, with the double amount of 
that being free RAM.  I monitored with iotop, and the transfer rate started 
around 60-100 K/s, later it went higher. But the average transfer rate is 
550K/s. Shouldn't swap be, like, a little faster?

My swap is on an LUKS-encrypted LVM volume, but I tried with a fresh new
LVM volume, and it was a little better only. The SATA drive gives 80-100 
MB/s according to hdparm -t. dd'ing /dev/zero directly to the swap volume 
gives around 100 MB/s.

I'm running ck-sources 2.6.38, but I experience this for a long time
now, and changed from tuxonice-sources (another thing that just doesn't
work well for me) to ck-sources, to try if this would improve things. I
even cloned a .config from some live cd, in case I had some stupid option
activated that slowed things down.

Lowering swappiness helped, as did more memory. With 3.7G of RAM, KDE4
was barely usable. But two years ago, when this PC was new, I ran KDE 4.2 on
x86, compiled all except OpenOffice in tmpfs, often had a virtual
machine running in VMplayer, and it was fine.

I sure run lots of applications (Kontact, Amarok, TV Browser which uses an 
incredible amount of RAM), some Dolphins, some Konsoles, a few Konquerors, 
about 15-26 Chromium tabs, KMyMoney, some editors, sometimes Qt Creator, and 
some Okulars. When I file some photos from my camera with Digikam, I 
normally do not close it afterwards, hoping that it gets swapped out if 
needed, and unless I start using it again this should not cost too much of 
my RAM. This has always been my style of working, I don't like to close an 
applications just after working with it. And it was fine in the past, with 
much less memory, and with a virtual machine running all of the time.

Now I got another 2G of RAM, and things are better. But still, I have 800M 
of swap right now, without using special applications or VMs. At this 
moment, it's not problem, there is no paging going on. A little while ago, 
it was quite noticeable. I was running rdiff-backup stuff at that moment, 
but so I am doing now. Weird.
Oh, even weirder: The phone just rang, and five minutes later, swap has gone 
to 860M. I was running rdiff-backup --list-increment-sizes, maybe this uses 
much memory, and caches the stuff. Now the command has finished, and paging 
has stopped. The rdiff-backup process itself does not use much memory.

BTW, does anyone else's kwin use 750M? That's pretty high, I think it used 
to be more like 300M.

Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] Ctrl+C not working over ssh?

2011-05-25 Thread Todd Goodman

* Andy Wilkinson drukar...@gmail.com [110524 18:02]:
 On 05/24/2011 12:38 PM, Todd Goodman wrote:
  * Andy Wilkinsondrukar...@gmail.com  [110524 12:24]:
  I can't say for sure when this started, as I have gone a while without
  accessing my computer remotely much, but perhaps since my last upgrade
  (which may have included openrc), ctrl-c doesn't work over ssh.  I have
  tested this from multiple workstations and even my droid, using
  different terminal emulators, and have got consistent results.
 
  I'm not even sure where to start looking.  Googling didn't find me much
  (at least, not much that's current at all; 5 year-old ubuntu bugs aren't
  very useful), and I'm not sure at all what might be causing this.  Could
  anyone here point me to something that might be causing this?
 
  Thanks,
 
  -Andy
  I don't have any problems.  What does 'stty -a' show for the intr= bit?
 
  Todd
 
 $ stty -a
 speed 38400 baud; rows 23; columns 80; line = 0;
 intr = ^C; ...
 
 Which looks right, but when I try to use Ctrl-C, this happens:
 
 $ ping localhost
 PING localhost (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
 64 bytes from localhost (127.0.0.1): icmp_req=1 ttl=64 time=0.037 ms
 ^C64 bytes from localhost (127.0.0.1): icmp_req=2 ttl=64 time=0.032 ms
 ^C^C^C64 bytes from localhost (127.0.0.1): icmp_req=3 ttl=64 time=0.032 ms
 ^C^C^C^C^C^C64 bytes from localhost (127.0.0.1): icmp_req=4 ttl=64 
 time=0.034 ms
 ^C^C^C^C^C^C64 bytes from localhost (127.0.0.1): icmp_req=5 ttl=64 
 time=0.032 ms
 ^Z
 
 This does NOT happen locally: from a console or terminal at the machine, 
 I can interrupt just fine.  Ctrl-Z does//work over ssh.
 
 Thanks,
 
 -Andy

Very strange (as someone else said.)

Only thing I can think of is that something in your startup scripts
(.profile, .bashrc, etc.) are doing something different between the
two logins.

I've seen that most often when they do things based on TERM and it's
different between a local login and remote.

Maybe make sure your startup scripts run with a 'set -x' at the
beginning and compare the output?

Good luck,

Todd

[gentoo-user] usb support in virtualbox

Hello,

I am interested in usb support within virtualbox guests. The version I
am currently using does not offer it:

   virtualbox-3.2.12-r4

would the bin package

  virtualbox-bin- 3.2.12-r1

has it?  Is the usb support the main difference between the bin versus
non-bin packages?

Thanks,

--
Valmor

Re: [gentoo-user] usb support in virtualbox

2011-05-25 Thread Neil Bothwick

On Wed, 25 May 2011 10:53:26 -0400, Valmor de Almeida wrote:

 Is the usb support the main difference between the bin versus
 non-bin packages?

Yes.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when
we created them. (Albert Einstein)


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Re: [gentoo-user] usb support in virtualbox

2011-05-25 Thread Mark Knecht

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Valmor de Almeida val.gen...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,

 I am interested in usb support within virtualbox guests. The version I
 am currently using does not offer it:

   virtualbox-3.2.12-r4

 would the bin package

  virtualbox-bin- 3.2.12-r1

 has it?  Is the usb support the main difference between the bin versus
 non-bin packages?

 Thanks,

 --
 Valmor



Valmor,
   Take a look at the Extension Pack. It might give you more of what
you need. It does seem to be in portage but I've not used it myself.

http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

HTH,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] usb support in virtualbox

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
 On Wed, 25 May 2011 10:53:26 -0400, Valmor de Almeida wrote:

 Is the usb support the main difference between the bin versus
 non-bin packages?

 Yes.


 --
 Neil Bothwick

 We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when
 we created them. (Albert Einstein)


Would you know whether version =4.0.x will no longer have a bin
distribution? Looking at what is available on my system I still see a
bin split:


/usr/portage/app-emulation/virtualbox-bin/virtualbox-bin-4.0.6-r1.ebuild


Thanks,

--
Valmor

Re: [gentoo-user] Swap performance

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote:
 Hi there!

 I still wonder why my KDE4 system starts swapping so early. Until a week
 ago, I had 6G of RAM, but after a day of being logged in, I usually had some
 swap usage. Sometimes this goes up to 1.5G, this is when the system becomes
 way too slow and I log out.

I can't remember the last time my swap was used at all. I have 12G of
RAM, but in my prior system with 8G it was the same. Only in a rare
case when some program had run-away memory usage/memory leak did I
ever get to swap usage... I'm using vanilla kernel 2.6.39 with no
patches, no BFS. And I use proprietary nvidia-drivers. I normally
don't have so many programs running at once, but it happens sometimes.

Since 2.6.38 and enabling automatic process grouping, I don't use nice
or ionice at all anymore. I do parallel emerge with -j along with make
-j12 and never notice any slowdown or lag in UI at all.

With KDE4 logged in, and no GUI apps running (other than knutmon and
wicd), my RAM usage is slightly less than 900M (not counting
filesystem caches).

BTW, does anyone else's kwin use 750M? That's pretty high, I think it used
to be more like 300M.

My kwin (4.6.3-r1) has currently 507M VIRT, 54M RES, 37M SHR according to top.

My worst memory offenders, by resident memory:
clamd 124M
denyhosts 114M
X 75M
plasma-desktop 56M

By virtual memory:
krunner 964M
wicd-client (python) 681M
plasma-desktop 643M
kded4 581M

Or I do a 'swapoff -a  swapon -a', this empties the swap and also
frees memory. But this takes _quite_ _a_ _while_. Once I measured 37 minutes
to clear 1G of swap.

My PC doesn't swap, but in my Nokia N900, it runs Linux and X, heavy
use of gtk and Qt4 libs, it has 256M of RAM and 768M of swap on eMMC
(transfer rate about 20MB/sec). It swaps like crazy. :) Usually there
is more swap in use than RAM, actually.

When I move the swap to a slow SD card instead (2MB/sec transfer
rate), even in that slow device, swapoff on the eMMC swap partition
with ~500M in-use takes about 2 or 3 minutes at most with the data
being swapped slowly into the SD card.

So I think in your case it should be much faster than that!

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 04:30:02PM +0200, Paul Hartman wrote:
 On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Indi thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com wrote:
  For people already running kde it's ok, but for the rest of us
  it's a bit ridiculous, isn't it?
 
 If he was already using Qt4, it might not have seemed so bad. ;) I
 think much of that list are from Qt4 and its dependencies. Other than
 kdelibs, kde-env, kdepimlibs, oxygen-icons I don't see much generic
 KDE stuff (not counting koffice since that's what he was installing).

Last I tried it, you can't run much of that stuff without the
whole kdeinit thing, which is a giant resource hog (relatively
speaking, for those of us accustomed to running trim, fast, light 
systems). That why I said it's become like an OS unto itself. 
I remember when people used to carry on about bloaty GNUstep libs, 
and I said but those *are* small, fast, and light and people 
responded to me in the manner I've responded to kde people who say 
that about kde. So it really is all quite relative...
:)

My standard is simple: it has to be able to work without a mouse, 
and when I hit the keys, I want to see results *immediately* -- 
real results, not a wait dialog or spinny thing.

-- 
caveat utilitor
♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤

Re: [gentoo-user] usb support in virtualbox

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
[snip]

 Valmor,
   Take a look at the Extension Pack. It might give you more of what
 you need. It does seem to be in portage but I've not used it myself.

 http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

 HTH,
 Mark


Mark,

I see it in portage

/usr/portage/app-emulation/virtualbox-extpack-oracle/virtualbox-extpack-oracle-4.0.6.ebuild

Will give it a try.

Thanks,

--
Valmor

[gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Hartmut Figge

Indi:

 Last I tried it, you can't run much of that stuff without the
 whole kdeinit thing, which is a giant resource hog (relatively
 speaking, for those of us accustomed to running trim, fast, light 
 systems).

If i will try knode, i get this result:

Total: 69 packages (65 new, 2 in new slots, 2 reinstalls), Size of
downloads: 361,274 kB

Hart ;) mut
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Re: [gentoo-user] Swap performance

Apparently, though unproven, at 16:20 on Wednesday 25 May 2011, Alex Schuster 
did opine thusly:

 Oh, even weirder: The phone just rang, and five minutes later, swap has
 gone  to 860M. I was running rdiff-backup --list-increment-sizes, maybe
 this uses much memory, and caches the stuff. Now the command has finished,
 and paging has stopped. The rdiff-backup process itself does not use much
 memory.
 
 BTW, does anyone else's kwin use 750M? That's pretty high, I think it used 
 to be more like 300M.

I've been noticing this kind of thing too for a while now. In my case it's the 
nepomuk/akonadi/virtuoso stack doing it - it seems to trigger full scans at 
weird times and does other special things after a resume from suspend.

Virtuoso can sometimes get as high as 800M RES memory in top. Which is all 
quite bizarre, I suspect a dodgy config on my part.

As for kwin - what column are you reading the value from? Here kwin uses more 
like 60M


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Swap performance

2011-05-25 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann

On Wednesday 25 May 2011 16:20:58 Alex Schuster wrote:

 So, 27 minutes to put 885MB of swap back into RAM, with the double amount of
 that being free RAM.  I monitored with iotop, and the transfer rate started
 around 60-100 K/s, later it went higher. But the average transfer rate is
 550K/s. Shouldn't swap be, like, a little faster?

no, sounds about right. Swap in linux is brain damaging slow. If you think 
about it your gall bladder might explode. That slow.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

Apparently, though unproven, at 14:46 on Wednesday 25 May 2011, Indi did opine 
thusly:

 For people already running kde it's ok, but for the rest of us 
 it's a bit ridiculous, isn't it?
 I used to use a few k apps in the 3 days, they were small and 
 easily integrated into the system. Now kde is like it's own OS, 
 so they've basically eliminated their apps from consideration of 
 non-kde users.
 
 Not that it matters much to me, one of the strengths of gentoo 
 is how many ways there are to do a given task.
 But there are quite a few kde zealots who seem to be completely 
 unaware of what we mean by fast, light, standalone.
 
 I guess some people didn't experience the 80s or 90s.
 
 :)

It doesn't make sense running koffice without also running KDE, it's a hard 
requirement.

And not only did I experience the 80s and 90s, but the 70s as well.

So now that you have defined what fast, light, standalone means by your 
current needs, it is obvious that no such package exists and hence there is a 
gap in the market.

Now we know what your next project will be.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Swap performance

2011-05-25 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann

On Wednesday 25 May 2011 10:31:19 Paul Hartman wrote:

 When I move the swap to a slow SD card instead (2MB/sec transfer
 rate), even in that slow device, swapoff on the eMMC swap partition
 with ~500M in-use takes about 2 or 3 minutes at most with the data
 being swapped slowly into the SD card.
 
 So I think in your case it should be much faster than that!

you are comparing apples with oranges (harddisks with moving arms with solid 
state devices).

Do yourself a favour. Look up how long a harddisk needs to position its head.

Now you can calculate how many times a second a harddisk can position its 
head.

Now remember: swap is stupid, so lots and lots of head movement needed (and a 
cash flush is running too - so even more movements to write all that crap to 
disk),

The result: the whole mess is fscking slow.

You can have a nice fat raid with nice and fast harddisks - if you try to 
stream to a 15 year old DLT drive with 5/10mb/sec speed the dlt drive will 
constantly rewind - because harddisks suck when they have to seek. And swap 
(just like a backup) = lots and lots and lots of seeks.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 06:40:01PM +0200, Hartmut Figge wrote:
 Indi:
 
  Last I tried it, you can't run much of that stuff without the
  whole kdeinit thing, which is a giant resource hog (relatively
  speaking, for those of us accustomed to running trim, fast, light 
  systems).
 
 If i will try knode, i get this result:
 
 Total: 69 packages (65 new, 2 in new slots, 2 reinstalls), Size of
 downloads: 361,274 kB
 

I like mutt with the nntp patch for usenet anyway.
Add rss2email and you have email, rss, and nntp 
all in mutt. Really nice. Quick and responsive, too. 
Using leafnode you can even have filters for nntp. 
Use elinks to open linked web content and feh for 
images, and you're all set. Well, until you want to watch 
something on hulu. But conkeror works well for that... 
:)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann

On Wednesday 25 May 2011 08:46:48 Indi wrote:
 On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:00:03AM +0200, Walter Dnes wrote:
  On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 11:31:40PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote
  
   No, I think you need to get real. It's 2011, what did you expect?
   
Here's what I don't expect.  I run a tight ship on my machine.  I
  
  currently have gnumeric and AbiWord and libreoffice-bin running uncer
  icewm.  In order to get emerge -p app-office/kword to actually start,
  I had to...
  
  !) remove sys-apps/dbus from /etc/portage/package.mask
  
  2) add the following to /etc/portage/package.use
  
  x11-libs/qt-sql qt3support
  x11-libs/qt-core qt3support ssl exceptions
  x11-libs/qt-gui  qt3support accessibility dbus
  x11-libs/qt-qt3support accessibility kde
  x11-libs/qt-svg accessibility
  x11-libs/qt-opengl qt3support
  x11-libs/qt-webkit kde
  sys-block/parted device-mapper
  sys-fs/udev extras
  sys-auth/consolekit policykit
  x11-libs/qt-declarative qt3support
  
  3) and here is the 390 megabytes of stuff to emerge...
  gebuild  N] dev-libs/libgpg-error-1.10  USE=-common-lisp -nls
  -static-libs [ebuild  N] dev-libs/libical-0.43
  [ebuild  N] dev-util/boost-build-1.42.0  USE=-examples -python
  [ebuild  N] sys-apps/sdparm-1.03
  [ebuild  N] sys-power/pm-quirks-20100619
  [ebuild  N] sys-block/eject-2.1.5-r2  USE=-nls
  [ebuild  N] kde-base/oxygen-icons-4.6.2  USE=(-aqua)
  (-kdeenablefinal) (-kdeprefix) [ebuild  N] sys-apps/dbus-1.4.6 
  USE=X -debug -doc (-selinux) -static-libs -test [ebuild  N]
  dev-cpp/eigen-2.0.13  USE=-debug -doc -examples [ebuild  N]
  dev-libs/libassuan-2.0.1  USE=-static-libs
  [ebuild  N] dev-libs/cyrus-sasl-2.1.23-r1  USE=-authdaemond -berkdb
  -crypt -gdbm -java -kerberos -ldap -mysql -ntlm_unsupported_patch -pam
  -postgres -sample -sqlite -srp -ssl -urandom [ebuild  N]
  dev-libs/libksba-1.2.0  USE=-static-libs
  [ebuild  N] dev-libs/libgcrypt-1.4.6  USE=-static-libs
  [ebuild  N] dev-libs/pth-2.0.7-r2  USE=-debug
  [ebuild  N] app-admin/eselect-boost-0.3
  [ebuild  NS   ] app-text/docbook-xml-dtd-4.2-r2 [4.3-r1]
  [ebuild  N] dev-libs/libpcre-8.12  USE=bzip2 (unicode) zlib -cxx
  -recursion-limit -static-libs [ebuild  N]
  x11-libs/libXScrnSaver-1.2.1  USE=-static-libs [ebuild  N]
  kde-base/kde-env-4.6.2  USE=(-aqua) (-kdeenablefinal) (-kdeprefix)
  [ebuild  N] sys-apps/attr-2.4.44  USE=-nls
  [ebuild  N] dev-cpp/clucene-0.9.21b-r1  USE=threads -debug -doc
  -static-libs [ebuild  NS   ] virtual/libusb-0 [1]
  [ebuild  N] virtual/eject-0
  [ebuild  N] app-crypt/pinentry-0.8.0  USE=-caps -gtk -ncurses -qt4
  -static [ebuild  N] dev-libs/dbus-glib-0.92  USE=-bash-completion
  -debug -doc -static-libs -test [ebuild  N] app-crypt/gnupg-2.0.17 
  USE=bzip2 -adns -caps -doc -ldap -nls -openct -pcsc-lite (-selinux)
  -smartcard -static [ebuild  N] dev-libs/boost-1.42.0-r2 
  USE=-debug -doc -eselect -icu -mpi -python -static-libs -test -tools
  [ebuild  N] app-misc/strigi-0.7.1  USE=exif -clucene -dbus -debug
  -fam -hyperestraier -inotify (-log) -qt4 -test [ebuild  N]
  sys-apps/acl-2.2.49  USE=(-nfs) -nls
  [ebuild  N] sys-power/pm-utils-1.4.1  USE=-alsa -debug
  -networkmanager -ntp VIDEO_CARDS=intel -radeon [ebuild   R   ]
  sys-fs/udev-151-r4  USE=extras*
  [ebuild  N] app-crypt/gpgme-1.3.0  USE=-common-lisp -pth
  [ebuild  N] sys-fs/lvm2-2.02.73-r1  USE=(-clvm) (-cman) -lvm1
  -readline (-selinux) -static [ebuild  N] dev-libs/libatasmart-0.17
   USE=-static-libs
  [ebuild  N] sys-block/parted-2.3  USE=device-mapper -debug -nls
  -readline (-selinux) [ebuild  N] x11-libs/qt-core-4.7.2-r1 
  USE=exceptions qt3support ssl (-aqua) -debug -glib -iconv -jit
  -optimized-qmake -pch -private-headers [ebuild  N]
  x11-libs/qt-sql-4.7.2  USE=qt3support (-aqua) -debug -exceptions
  (-firebird) -freetds -iconv -mysql -odbc -pch -postgres -sqlite
  [ebuild  N] x11-libs/qt-script-4.7.2  USE=(-aqua) -debug
  -exceptions -iconv -jit -pch -private-headers [ebuild  N]
  x11-libs/qt-test-4.7.2  USE=(-aqua) -debug -exceptions -iconv -pch
  [ebuild  N] dev-util/automoc-0.9.88
  [ebuild  N] x11-libs/qt-dbus-4.7.2  USE=(-aqua) -debug -exceptions
  -pch [ebuild  N] x11-libs/qt-xmlpatterns-4.7.2  USE=(-aqua)
  -debug -pch [ebuild  N] dev-libs/soprano-2.6.0  USE=-clucene
  -dbus -debug -doc -raptor -redland -test -virtuoso [ebuild  N]
  app-crypt/qca-2.0.3  USE=(-aqua) -debug -doc -examples [ebuild  N   
  ] dev-libs/libattica-0.2.0  USE=-debug
  [ebuild  N] x11-libs/qt-gui-4.7.2  USE=accessibility dbus mng
  qt3support tiff (-aqua) -cups -debug -egl -exceptions -glib -gtkstyle
  -nas -nis -pch -private-headers -raster -trace -xinerama [ebuild  N   
  ] x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.7.2  USE=accessibility kde (-aqua) -debug
  -exceptions -pch -phonon [ebuild  N] x11-libs/qt-svg-4.7.2 
  USE=accessibility (-aqua) -debug -exceptions

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 07:20:01PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
 
 and have you ever heard of 'code reuse' or 'modularity'?
 
 It seems - no.
 
 Because KDE itself might be huge. But once loaded the apps are pretty small - 
 because they reuse code. kmail does not have its own html engine. It does not 
 matter where you type your text etc pp.


I'm sorry, but the once you load this GB of libs argument is 
missing the point entirely...

 Overall KDE uses LESS ram then most 'lightweight' solutions.


No. 

Been around the block investigating this, it's BS.
I've investigated this quite thoroughly because I have to support 
users who need everything to be easy and automatic and pointy-clicky 
(and preferably shiny too). 

Frankly, arguing that kde4 is a lighter weight solution is something 
only a hardcore zealot or someone who's not used a WM without a DE could do 
with a straight face.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 07:20:01PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
 
 Oh - and you should spend some time on Alan's postings. He is not only a 
 certified OLD FART, he has some serious first hand, real world experience 
 that 
 makes most of the other OLD FARTs on this list look like noobs.

Sorry, I meant to address this as well:
Don't get caught in the approval/disapproval trap.
My preferences and opinions have nothing to do with personal stuff.
I read everyone's posts, regardless of whether or not I agree with 
them on anything, and have no enemies, because I'm not interested 
in that sort of thing.

There are occasionally people who dislike me, and that's fine.
I don't like everybody either.
But generally speaking, what others think is none of my business 
until they try to convince me I should also think that way.
Then it seems appropriate to address it.

You know, Linus uses gnome last I heard.
So I'm well aware that my personal preferences have nothing to do 
with whether or not I am proficient or knowledgeable.
Maybe I'm pushing peoples' buttons by sounding like some inflexible, 
judgemental old fart you met before. If so, sorry! I'm more of a 
live and let live, yet strongly opinionated old fart. :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 07:10:01PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
 Apparently, though unproven, at 14:46 on Wednesday 25 May 2011, Indi did 
 opine 
 thusly:
 
  For people already running kde it's ok, but for the rest of us 
  it's a bit ridiculous, isn't it?
  I used to use a few k apps in the 3 days, they were small and 
  easily integrated into the system. Now kde is like it's own OS, 
  so they've basically eliminated their apps from consideration of 
  non-kde users.
  
  Not that it matters much to me, one of the strengths of gentoo 
  is how many ways there are to do a given task.
  But there are quite a few kde zealots who seem to be completely 
  unaware of what we mean by fast, light, standalone.
  
  I guess some people didn't experience the 80s or 90s.
  
  :)
 
 It doesn't make sense running koffice without also running KDE, it's a hard 
 requirement.
 
 And not only did I experience the 80s and 90s, but the 70s as well.
 
 So now that you have defined what fast, light, standalone means by your 
 current needs, it is obvious that no such package exists and hence there is a 
 gap in the market.
 
 Now we know what your next project will be.
 

Writing a virus that destroys all msoffice installs once and for all 
so we can finally just use sane formats editable as text?
:D

(kidding, of course, I would never do malware)

Actually, writing an add-on for vim that can edit word documents 
is an idea I plan to look into when I get some time.  
Right now I use up all my poor little brain's ability to focus 
on other things, but maybe soon there'll be a break.

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Re: [gentoo-user] e17 fails to build from svn

2011-05-25 Thread Mick

On Wednesday 18 May 2011 21:51:25 Mick wrote:
 On Wednesday 18 May 2011 21:31:54 Alan McKinnon wrote:
  Apparently, though unproven, at 21:34 on Tuesday 17 May 2011, Mick did
  opine
  
  thusly:
   Anyway, tonight it failed right on the first package:
   
   
Emerging (1 of 10) dev-libs/eina- from enlightenment
  
  [snip]
  
   ../../src/include/eina_binbuf.h:209: note: previous declaration of
   'eina_binbuf_length_get' was here
   eina_amalgamation.c:17936: error: redefinition of '__STRBUF_MAGIC_STR'
   eina_amalgamation.c:1222: note: previous definition of
   '__STRBUF_MAGIC_STR' was here
  
  FYI, this is fixed in svn now

I wonder if I can start using the 1.0.0 versions of enlightenment packages 
yet, or am I supposed to continue using everything from svn and not mix them?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Swap performance

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
 On Wednesday 25 May 2011 10:31:19 Paul Hartman wrote:

 When I move the swap to a slow SD card instead (2MB/sec transfer
 rate), even in that slow device, swapoff on the eMMC swap partition
 with ~500M in-use takes about 2 or 3 minutes at most with the data
 being swapped slowly into the SD card.

 So I think in your case it should be much faster than that!

 you are comparing apples with oranges (harddisks with moving arms with solid
 state devices).

 Do yourself a favour. Look up how long a harddisk needs to position its head.

Yeah, measuring speed in microseconds versus milliseconds. :)

My SD read/write speed is about 0.9MB/sec in benchmark, and about 2
MB/sec in real-life swap usage. Based on Alex's timings it seems his
HDD is getting about 0.5 MB/sec in swap usage. HDD benchmark random
read/write is usually faster than that. But probably you're right and
the seek operations are really killing it. HDD is about 20 times
slower than SD card in seeking.

If he has a USB flash drive, or memory card reader, he can use it for
swap and see if it's any better or worse. I am curious how it will
compare.

Or, if he has multiple disks, he could create more swap partitions
with equal priority and kernel will stripe/load balance automatically,
hopefully improving his swap performance.

Or better yet, figure out why his system is swapping at all which is
what he was going for I think. With 8 GB I think he should be able to
disable swap entirely anyway. :)

[gentoo-user] [OT] network discovery tools

2011-05-25 Thread Harry Putnam

There must be a number of people who post here that have had to do
this problem.

Discover the addresses of computers on a home network that have
connected by way of DHCP.  For example: Several wireless connections.

I've used static IPS for around 10 yrs, always seemed handier for
things like ssh between home lan computers. 

But recently started using DHCP for wireless connections.  It must be
such a popular method for some reason.

But when you do it that way, and say want to VNC or ssh or the like to
something connected by a dhcp serving WAP then how do you find the
address?

That is, besides something like accessing the WAP and checking the IPs
connected to it.

Is there some quick and sure way to discover any IPs on the home lan?

Some kind of mapper tool?

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] network discovery tools

On Wednesday 25 May 2011 21:45:07 Harry Putnam wrote:
 There must be a number of people who post here that have had to do
 this problem.
 
 Discover the addresses of computers on a home network that have
 connected by way of DHCP.  For example: Several wireless connections.
 
 I've used static IPS for around 10 yrs, always seemed handier for
 things like ssh between home lan computers.
 
 But recently started using DHCP for wireless connections.  It must be
 such a popular method for some reason.
 
 But when you do it that way, and say want to VNC or ssh or the like to
 something connected by a dhcp serving WAP then how do you find the
 address?
 
 That is, besides something like accessing the WAP and checking the IPs
 connected to it.
 
 Is there some quick and sure way to discover any IPs on the home lan?
 
 Some kind of mapper tool?

dhcp can assign static adresses ! Thus, it's easier to manage (only the dhcp 
server to admin !)

I am not english, thus, don't know website with such doc (in english) but you 
can easily find it on internet !

You have also dnsmasq that makes both dns (for lan) + dhcp (whereas commonly, 
this functions are split)
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[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] network discovery tools

2011-05-25 Thread Grant Edwards

On 2011-05-25, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote:

 There must be a number of people who post here that have had to do
 this problem.

 Discover the addresses of computers on a home network that have
 connected by way of DHCP.  For example: Several wireless connections.

 I've used static IPs for around 10 yrs, always seemed handier for
 things like ssh between home lan computers. 

 But recently started using DHCP for wireless connections.  It must be
 such a popular method for some reason.

 But when you do it that way, and say want to VNC or ssh or the like to
 something connected by a dhcp serving WAP then how do you find the
 address?

The best thing to do is to use a DHCP server and DNS server that are
connected somehow.  Then hostnames just work.  Or you can
statically assign IP addresses in the DHCP server so that DHCP clients
always get hard-wired IP addresses that match up with the /etc/hosts
file on the DNS server.

I use OpenWRT for WAP, DNS, and DHCP, and it all pretty much just
works.  When a DHCP client is assigned an IP address, the DNS server
knows about it and you can access it by it's hostname just the way you
would with a static setup.

For various reasons, I assign static IP addresses to a number of
devices, but I do it via the DHCP server's configuration, not by
configuring each individual device.

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Re: [gentoo-user] office softs

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Stéphane Guedon steph...@22decembre.eu wrote:
 Hello

 Some of you tried both LibreOffice / OpenOffice / Calligra recently ?

 What do you think of them ? Which is stable / not yet fully finish ? ...

They are both very mature and stable and should be able to do almost
anything you need, as long as that need is not 100% MS-compatibility.
;)

Re: [gentoo-user] Swap performance

Apparently, though unproven, at 18:53 on Wednesday 25 May 2011, Volker Armin 
Hemmann did opine thusly:

 On Wednesday 25 May 2011 16:20:58 Alex Schuster wrote:
  So, 27 minutes to put 885MB of swap back into RAM, with the double amount
  of that being free RAM.  I monitored with iotop, and the transfer rate
  started around 60-100 K/s, later it went higher. But the average
  transfer rate is 550K/s. Shouldn't swap be, like, a little faster?
 
 no, sounds about right. Swap in linux is brain damaging slow. If you think
 about it your gall bladder might explode. That slow.

For years now I've considered only two possible uses for linux swap:

- a teeny small one just for wiggle room to try and hold that POS called the 
oom killer at bay

- a bigger one the same size as total RAM, as a place to put the suspend image


Every other usage makes no sense at all (RAM being so cheap and all). In fact, 
I've banned swap on all company servers except databases.

I'd be interested to hear any current use cases where swap delivers a provable 
benefit.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Swap performance

Apparently, though unproven, at 18:58 on Wednesday 25 May 2011, Volker Armin 
Hemmann did opine thusly:

 On Wednesday 25 May 2011 10:31:19 Paul Hartman wrote:
  When I move the swap to a slow SD card instead (2MB/sec transfer
  rate), even in that slow device, swapoff on the eMMC swap partition
  with ~500M in-use takes about 2 or 3 minutes at most with the data
  being swapped slowly into the SD card.
  
  So I think in your case it should be much faster than that!
 
 you are comparing apples with oranges (harddisks with moving arms with
 solid state devices).
 
 Do yourself a favour. Look up how long a harddisk needs to position its
 head.
 
 Now you can calculate how many times a second a harddisk can position its
 head.
 
 Now remember: swap is stupid, so lots and lots of head movement needed (and
 a cash flush is running too - so even more movements to write all that
 crap to disk),
 
 The result: the whole mess is fscking slow.
 
 You can have a nice fat raid with nice and fast harddisks - if you try to
 stream to a 15 year old DLT drive with 5/10mb/sec speed the dlt drive will
 constantly rewind - because harddisks suck when they have to seek. And swap
 (just like a backup) = lots and lots and lots of seeks.

That reminds me of how SSDs ought to be much faster than hard disks.

But every time I use my Acer netbook (8G SSD) I curse and swear and commit 
random acts of violence - that first gen SSD controller is the worst possible 
thing to ever hit computers. I swear the 4G SDHC expansion card is leaps 
faster

(completely OT, I know. I'll keep quiet now.)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

Apparently, though unproven, at 19:13 on Wednesday 25 May 2011, Volker Armin 
Hemmann did opine thusly:

 Oh - and you should spend some time on Alan's postings. He is not only a 
 certified OLD FART, he has some serious first hand, real world experience
 that  makes most of the other OLD FARTs on this list look like noobs.

Oh, I don't know about that so much. OK, I agree on the old fart bit.

But many days Neil and Paul can make me look like a blithering idiot :-)

Incidentally, this gentoo-user list has the highest concentration of seriously 
knowledgeable folk across a wide spectrum of any list/forum/whatever I've ever 
come across. Sometimes, it's frightening. 

I just wanted to put that out there - positive reinforcement.


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Re: [gentoo-user] e17 fails to build from svn

Apparently, though unproven, at 21:01 on Wednesday 25 May 2011, Mick did opine 
thusly:

 On Wednesday 18 May 2011 21:51:25 Mick wrote:
  On Wednesday 18 May 2011 21:31:54 Alan McKinnon wrote:
   Apparently, though unproven, at 21:34 on Tuesday 17 May 2011, Mick did
   opine
   
   thusly:
Anyway, tonight it failed right on the first package:


 Emerging (1 of 10) dev-libs/eina- from enlightenment
   
   [snip]
   
../../src/include/eina_binbuf.h:209: note: previous declaration of
'eina_binbuf_length_get' was here
eina_amalgamation.c:17936: error: redefinition of
'__STRBUF_MAGIC_STR' eina_amalgamation.c:1222: note: previous
definition of
'__STRBUF_MAGIC_STR' was here
   
   FYI, this is fixed in svn now
 
 I wonder if I can start using the 1.0.0 versions of enlightenment packages
 yet, or am I supposed to continue using everything from svn and not mix
 them?


I tried pegging my system at the 1.0.0 libs that are available, that didn't 
work too well.

The wm (e17 itself) is not released yet so unless you keep it at a snapshot 
made at the time of the 1.0.0 release you quickly encounter build failures. 
Same with the various apps in svn and all the third-party modules.

Seems like the releases were meant to be a (mostly) feature-complete snapshot 
that devs could use to test and evaluate and write apps for. Real world 
dictates that if you like to stay current you should either limit yourself to 
only those things released already, or keep everything at -

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Re: [gentoo-user] office softs

Apparently, though unproven, at 22:07 on Wednesday 25 May 2011, Paul Hartman 
did opine thusly:

 On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Stéphane Guedon steph...@22decembre.eu 
wrote:
  Hello
  
  Some of you tried both LibreOffice / OpenOffice / Calligra recently ?
  
  What do you think of them ? Which is stable / not yet fully finish ? ...
 
 They are both very mature and stable and should be able to do almost
 anything you need, as long as that need is not 100% MS-compatibility.
 ;)

LibreOffice comes with a huge benefit - I do not have to see the Oracle logo 
on the splash screen. That alone was enough to make me switch.

Other than that, I reckon they are mostly on par with each other for the 
average user. According to some recent blogs I scanned over, LibreOffice ships 
with more templates or makes the process easier. I can see how many people 
would like that a lot.


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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] network discovery tools

2011-05-25 Thread Vincent-Xavier JUMEL

Le 25 mai à 21:54 Stéphane Guedon a écrit
 On Wednesday 25 May 2011 21:45:07 Harry Putnam wrote:
  There must be a number of people who post here that have had to do
  this problem.
  
  Discover the addresses of computers on a home network that have
  connected by way of DHCP.  For example: Several wireless connections.
  

« ip a s » to get your IP with your mask and then « nmap
ip.in.v4.format/mask »

  I've used static IPS for around 10 yrs, always seemed handier for
  things like ssh between home lan computers.
  
  But recently started using DHCP for wireless connections.  It must
  be such a popular method for some reason.
  
  But when you do it that way, and say want to VNC or ssh or the like
  to something connected by a dhcp serving WAP then how do you find
  the address?
  
avahi and zeroconf could be an help. With avahi-daemon running every
where and avahi-dnsconfd I just type « ssh -l login myhostname.local »
or « ssh -l login myhostname.lan » depending on your configuration.

  That is, besides something like accessing the WAP and checking the IPs
  connected to it.
  
  Is there some quick and sure way to discover any IPs on the home lan?
 
  Some kind of mapper tool?
You've got lanmap to, though it doesn't seem maintained IMHO and it
depends on nmap.

 
 dhcp can assign static adresses ! Thus, it's easier to manage (only the dhcp 
 server to admin !)
 
 I am not english, thus, don't know website with such doc (in english) but you 
 can easily find it on internet !
 
Configuration sample are even given in isc-dhcp-server default conf
file, richly commented out.

 You have also dnsmasq that makes both dns (for lan) + dhcp (whereas commonly, 
 this functions are split)
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[gentoo-user] haldaemon group/user


Hello,

I have eliminated hal long ago and noted recently in my group list that
I have a haldaemon group


haldaemon:x:104:haldaemon

and a user

haldaemon:x:102:104:added by portage for hal:/dev/null:/sbin/nologin


Should these have been eliminated or do I need to do it by hand or
something else still needs it?

Thanks,

--
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[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] network discovery tools

2011-05-25 Thread Harry Putnam

Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com writes:

[...]

 But when you do it that way, and say want to VNC or ssh or the like to
 something connected by a dhcp serving WAP then how do you find the
 address?

 The best thing to do is to use a DHCP server and DNS server that are
 connected somehow.  Then hostnames just work.  Or you can
 statically assign IP addresses in the DHCP server so that DHCP clients
 always get hard-wired IP addresses that match up with the /etc/hosts
 file on the DNS server.

 I use OpenWRT for WAP, DNS, and DHCP, and it all pretty much just
 works.  When a DHCP client is assigned an IP address, the DNS server
 knows about it and you can access it by it's hostname just the way you
 would with a static setup.

 For various reasons, I assign static IP addresses to a number of
 devices, but I do it via the DHCP server's configuration, not by
 configuring each individual device.

That sounds like a good plan... and worth some thought.  However I was
only asking to find IPs on the home lan after the fact.  Not the
general question of how to setup the lan (though I welcome the ideas
you present).

I seem to have latched onto a tool by a bit more googling, and getting
lucky, called netdiscover that is in portage now.

Just one simple command found all machines active on the home lan
including those with DHCP served addresses:

netdiscover -i eth0 ENTER

Oddly a similar command but aimed at a range misses a few:

netdiscover -i eth0 -r 192.168.0.0/24 ENTER

I guess the tool may use some heuristics if you give it less info.

And for one reason or another a plain `arp' command misses several of
those discovered with `netdiscover -i eth0'

So I found what I needed... thanks.

Re: [gentoo-user] office softs

On Wednesday 25 May 2011 22:07:15 Paul Hartman wrote:
 On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Stéphane Guedon steph...@22decembre.eu 
wrote:
  Hello
  
  Some of you tried both LibreOffice / OpenOffice / Calligra recently ?
  
  What do you think of them ? Which is stable / not yet fully finish ? ...
 
 They are both very mature and stable and should be able to do almost
 anything you need, as long as that need is not 100% MS-compatibility.
 ;)

I need a small MS-compatibility, as anyone I think.

I wonder if calligra is mature enough to be used (cause openoffice not fully 
integrated with my desktop environnement).

Openoffice/Libreoffice... = which to choose ?

Openoffice is heavy whereas I think calligra light, thus, easier to update, but 
is calligra solid enough ?
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Re: [gentoo-user] haldaemon group/user

Apparently, though unproven, at 22:37 on Wednesday 25 May 2011, Valmor de 
Almeida did opine thusly:

 Hello,
 
 I have eliminated hal long ago and noted recently in my group list that
 I have a haldaemon group
 
 
 haldaemon:x:104:haldaemon
 
 and a user
 
 haldaemon:x:102:104:added by portage for hal:/dev/null:/sbin/nologin
 
 
 Should these have been eliminated or do I need to do it by hand or
 something else still needs it?

You need to remove it by hand


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Re: [gentoo-user] office softs

On Wednesday 25 May 2011 22:20:00 Alan McKinnon wrote:
 Apparently, though unproven, at 22:07 on Wednesday 25 May 2011, Paul
 Hartman
 
 did opine thusly:
  On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Stéphane Guedon steph...@22decembre.eu
 
 wrote:
   Hello
   
   Some of you tried both LibreOffice / OpenOffice / Calligra recently ?
   
   What do you think of them ? Which is stable / not yet fully finish ?
   ...
  
  They are both very mature and stable and should be able to do almost
  anything you need, as long as that need is not 100% MS-compatibility.
  ;)
 
 LibreOffice comes with a huge benefit - I do not have to see the Oracle
 logo on the splash screen. That alone was enough to make me switch.
 
 Other than that, I reckon they are mostly on par with each other for the
 average user. According to some recent blogs I scanned over, LibreOffice
 ships with more templates or makes the process easier. I can see how many
 people would like that a lot.

I don't have oracle logo... (useless mail just to make fun) :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Swap performance

Alan McKinnon writes:

 That reminds me of how SSDs ought to be much faster than hard disks.
 
 But every time I use my Acer netbook (8G SSD) I curse and swear and commit 
 random acts of violence - that first gen SSD controller is the worst possible 
 thing to ever hit computers. I swear the 4G SDHC expansion card is leaps 
 faster
 
 (completely OT, I know. I'll keep quiet now.)

Ah, it's okay, we all need this from time to time :)

Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] haldaemon group/user

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Valmor de Almeida val.gen...@gmail.com wrote:
 Should these have been eliminated or do I need to do it by hand or
 something else still needs it?

I think you should do it by hand.

In general, you can assume portage will never delete any config files
or anything from /etc without your involvement (either manually or
with etc-update or similar).

Re: [gentoo-user] office softs

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Stéphane Guedon steph...@22decembre.eu wrote:
 Openoffice is heavy whereas I think calligra light, thus, easier to update, 
 but
 is calligra solid enough ?

KOffice is more than 10 years old, I think it is solid by now. :)
(Calligra = new name for KOffice, basically)

Re: [gentoo-user] office softs

Apparently, though unproven, at 22:28 on Wednesday 25 May 2011, Stéphane 
Guedon did opine thusly:

 On Wednesday 25 May 2011 22:07:15 Paul Hartman wrote:
  On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Stéphane Guedon steph...@22decembre.eu
 
 wrote:
   Hello
   
   Some of you tried both LibreOffice / OpenOffice / Calligra recently ?
   
   What do you think of them ? Which is stable / not yet fully finish ?
   ...
  
  They are both very mature and stable and should be able to do almost
  anything you need, as long as that need is not 100% MS-compatibility.
  ;)
 
 I need a small MS-compatibility, as anyone I think.
 
 I wonder if calligra is mature enough to be used (cause openoffice not
 fully integrated with my desktop environnement).
 
 Openoffice/Libreoffice... = which to choose ?
 
 Openoffice is heavy whereas I think calligra light, thus, easier to update,
 but is calligra solid enough ?

Calligra is pretty OK. As a comparison, I'd say it's comparable quality-wise 
to ~amd64 meaning it should work just fine and as a Gentoo user you ought to 
be able to deal with issues where it isn't.

But you are asking the wrong question - you want MS-compatibility but don't 
say what that means. Keep in mind that Office is not even compatible with 
itself between versions.

What exactly are your needs? 

100% complete compatibility of all Office features requires Office.

If you don't need 100% but do need something pretty damn close, OOo is you're 
first choice. If you just want to be able to read the text of .docs and .docxs 
and to hell with the formatting, then KWord or Words should be fine.

It's a very complex question with no easy answer, and only you can tell. I say 
install KOffice and give it a test drive, see for yourself. Rest assured it 
won't eat your kittens when you run it.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Neil Bothwick

On Wed, 25 May 2011 22:11:24 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

 But many days Neil and Paul can make me look like a blithering idiot :-)

Only with your help :P


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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] network discovery tools

2011-05-25 Thread Neil Bothwick

On Wed, 25 May 2011 14:45:07 -0500, Harry Putnam wrote:

 Is there some quick and sure way to discover any IPs on the home lan?
 
 Some kind of mapper tool?

Do you know the MAC address of the device? That's usually written on the
box somewhere, so you can usually examine the output of arp -n to findthe
associated IP address.

If it's not in the arp table, and it's your network, a QAD method is

sudo nmap -sP 192.168.0.1-254 | grep -B 3 MACaddress

Substituting the address range of your network if it's not 192.168.0.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Display indirect login X app here?

2011-05-25 Thread Mark Knecht

On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
 On Tue, 24 May 2011 10:50:49 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:

  Is $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS set? Without it you will get errors like
  this.
 
  I have this in my .zshrc to set it on SSH logins.
 
  [[ -n ${SSH_TTY} ]]  export
  DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=$(cat /proc/$(pidof kded4)/environ | tr
  '\0' '\n' | grep DBUS | cut -d '=' -f2-) || return 0

    Turns out I didn't have much of anything on the machine that didn't
 come with KDE so I emerged xclock and that app opens here fine. I
 guess that points to KDE apps only.

    I'll have to do some reading about zssh and how that differs from
 openssh that I'm using here. Is there some equivalent of .zshrc that
 would allow me to do the same thing? Or maybe something globally in
 /etc/ssh?

 It's zsh, not zssh. Zsh is a shell, like Bash but better, so you'd put
 the same in .bashrc to use it with Bash.


 --
 Neil Bothwick

As always Neil, you continue to amaze me with the depth of solutions
you seem to have at the snap of your fingers. Truly you have forgotten
more than I shall ever know.

Your suggestion seemed to have worked perfectly in my .bashrc file.

I really appreciate the help.

Cheers,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] usb support in virtualbox

On 05/25/2011 12:15 PM, Valmor de Almeida wrote:
 On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
 [snip]

 Valmor,
   Take a look at the Extension Pack. It might give you more of what
 you need. It does seem to be in portage but I've not used it myself.

 http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

 HTH,
 Mark


 Mark,
 
 I see it in portage
 
 /usr/portage/app-emulation/virtualbox-extpack-oracle/virtualbox-extpack-oracle-4.0.6.ebuild
 
 Will give it a try.
 
 Thanks,
 
 --
 Valmor

For the record.

Tried and it is very nice. The 4.0.6 version with extpack uses the GPL
vbox (source).

All usb devices on the gentoo host are visible on a Windows7 guest. The
problem I am facing now is that the Windows7 virtual machine tries to
install drivers for the USB devices and it fails. Not sure what is going
on... It may be an issue with USB 1.0 versus 2.0?


--
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Re: [gentoo-user] usb support in virtualbox

2011-05-25 Thread Mark Knecht

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Valmor de Almeida val.gen...@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/25/2011 12:15 PM, Valmor de Almeida wrote:
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
[snip]

Valmor,
Take a look at the Extension Pack. It might give you more of what
you need. It does seem to be in portage but I've not used it myself.

http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

HTH,
Mark

Mark,

I see it in portage

/usr/portage/app-emulation/virtualbox-extpack-oracle/virtualbox-extpack-oracle-4.0.6.ebuild

Will give it a try.

Thanks,

--
Valmor

For the record.

Tried and it is very nice. The 4.0.6 version with extpack uses the GPL
vbox (source).

All usb devices on the gentoo host are visible on a Windows7 guest. The
problem I am facing now is that the Windows7 virtual machine tries to
install drivers for the USB devices and it fails. Not sure what is going
on... It may be an issue with USB 1.0 versus 2.0?

--
Valmor

Hi Valmor,
Good to know it at least gets you 1 step further in the right direction.

As for Win 7 installing USB drivers is there an option to not
install it automatically and then you go look for the right driver and
install it by hand?

One other possibility might be that either Linux or another VM is
claiming the device and hence it's not responding correctly to the
driver install. i typically run 3 VMs every day - 2 VMPLayer/XP and 1
virtualbox/Win 7. I've noted that I have to be a little careful to
ensure the VMs don't interfere with each other WRT USB devices.

Good luck figuring it out. Please post back if you find interesting info.

Cheers,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Swap performance

Volker Armin Hemmann writes:

 On Wednesday 25 May 2011 16:20:58 Alex Schuster wrote:
 
 So, 27 minutes to put 885MB of swap back into RAM, with the double amount of
 that being free RAM.  I monitored with iotop, and the transfer rate started
 around 60-100 K/s, later it went higher. But the average transfer rate is
 550K/s. Shouldn't swap be, like, a little faster?
 
 no, sounds about right. Swap in linux is brain damaging slow. If you think 
 about it your gall bladder might explode. That slow.

Oh. _That_ slow.

Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] Swap performance

Paul Hartman writes:

 On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote:

 I can't remember the last time my swap was used at all. I have 12G of
 RAM, but in my prior system with 8G it was the same. Only in a rare
 case when some program had run-away memory usage/memory leak did I
 ever get to swap usage... I'm using vanilla kernel 2.6.39 with no
 patches, no BFS. And I use proprietary nvidia-drivers. I normally
 don't have so many programs running at once, but it happens sometimes.

Maybe I should have bought 4G instead of 2G, so I'd have 10G, not 8G.
I'm not sure if this is recommended these days, to have one memory bank
with 4G and 3 others with 2G each.

 Since 2.6.38 and enabling automatic process grouping, I don't use nice
 or ionice at all anymore. I do parallel emerge with -j along with make
 -j12 and never notice any slowdown or lag in UI at all.

This is okay now, since I started using the pf-sources. But I have no
explanation, I have been using the BFS scheduler already before with
ck-sources.

 With KDE4 logged in, and no GUI apps running (other than knutmon and
 wicd), my RAM usage is slightly less than 900M (not counting
 filesystem caches).

I don't want to log out now, but I have logs of experiments I did half a
year ago. After a reboot, at the KDM login screen, the +/- buffers/cache
line of free -m output showed 244M used. After logging into KDE4, it's
2954M, but I have maby apps (Konsoles, Kontact, Amarok, TV-Browser,
Dolphin, Chromium) being started automatically.

 BTW, does anyone else's kwin use 750M? That's pretty high, I think it used
 to be more like 300M.
 
 My kwin (4.6.3-r1) has currently 507M VIRT, 54M RES, 37M SHR according to top.

It's growing: 1405m VIRT, 851m RES, 6m SHR. Strange, I did not actually
use the desktop after I wrote the mail you replied to, currently I'm
logged in from remote.
And it grows while I compose this mail, about 1M every 2 minutes. This
is not normal, though.

I use a little script to create a log file with some memory information,
and when I grep these 50 files for the kwin process, I see memory usage
between 410M and 520M mostly. Three were higher, up to 1.4G, but these
were plasma bugs (suddenly haveing eight activities instead of one; and
a problem of the file watcher plasmoid with very large log files).
I also found one log with kwin using only 154M, but that was when I had
KDE 3.5 running :)


 My worst memory offenders, by resident memory:
 clamd 124M
 denyhosts 114M
 X 75M
 plasma-desktop 56M

kwin851
kontact 385
java373 (TV-Browser, this is also growing)
X   124
okular  115
chrome  110
chrome  106
mysqld   93
...

BTW, with each Chromium tab being a single process, I wonder which tab
uses 100M of RAM.


 My PC doesn't swap, but in my Nokia N900, it runs Linux and X, heavy
 use of gtk and Qt4 libs, it has 256M of RAM and 768M of swap on eMMC
 (transfer rate about 20MB/sec). It swaps like crazy. :) Usually there
 is more swap in use than RAM, actually.
 
 When I move the swap to a slow SD card instead (2MB/sec transfer
 rate), even in that slow device, swapoff on the eMMC swap partition
 with ~500M in-use takes about 2 or 3 minutes at most with the data
 being swapped slowly into the SD card.
 
 So I think in your case it should be much faster than that!

Or not, with the large access times of hard drive. I don't know how
large the chunks of memory stored in swap are, I thought some megabytes
at least. Does anyone have an idea? I'd ask Volker, but I'm worried
about his gall bladder.


From another mail:

 Or better yet, figure out why his system is swapping at all which is
 what he was going for I think. With 8 GB I think he should be able to
 disable swap entirely anyway. :)

That's what I think, too. As I wrote, I always used to have many
applications open, and in the past this was no problem. If anyone is
interested, there are some screenshots of my desktop here:
http://www.wonkology.org/comp/desktop/
The 2010-11-28 shows the six desktops I have now, shortly after login.
It's made half a year ago, but my desktop still looks quite similar.
right now I have some extra stuff running, but not very much.

And looking at the 3x3 desktops in one image (desktop3x3.png) from 2004,
I see I was using 856M of RAM and 748M of swap then. With a Windows VM,
a Mozilla window, some 15 or more Galeon tabs, and some more stuff.
Without big performance problems. It might have taken a little while
before the Windows VM became fully responsive, but I did not have the
constant swapping I experience now.

Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird bug?

2011-05-25 Thread Adam Carter

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:18 PM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:

 Jeremy McSpadden deface at uberpenguin.net writes:


  Make sure your client is set to auth before sending. Simple fix.

 Been down that road can had conversations with ISP admins.
 That's not the issue. The same email address works, if
 I cut and past it into the To field of thunderbird.
 All other email address work just fine from thunderbird.


Yes the auth message is bogus because you dont use different SMTP servers
per email message, and the auth message is only being triggered on a
particular message. Other messages work fine (- did i get that right James?)

As a troubleshooting step - have you tried a new profile? IIRC the windows
version has a profile manager, if the linux version doesnt have the same
then just move the .thunderbird directory so it will re-create it with
defaults when you launch it again.

I'm not at my linux machine now, so the details may be a bit off.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

Volker Armin Hemmann writes:

 This gem is a couple of years old, but still a worthy read:
 
 http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
 
 
 Read it. Seriously.

Interesting. I'd like to also see KDE4 values :)

BTW, according to the author, the only real memory usage information
utility is Exmap. It's in portage, but when I run it (both exmtool and
gexmap, and the exmap kernel module is loaded), it outputs lots of
stuff, then aborts with 'start pgnum out of range'. Is anyone actually
using it?

Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] usb support in virtualbox

On 05/25/2011 06:14 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
[snip]

 For the record.

 Tried and it is very nice. The 4.0.6 version with extpack uses the GPL
 vbox (source).

 All usb devices on the gentoo host are visible on a Windows7 guest. The
 problem I am facing now is that the Windows7 virtual machine tries to
 install drivers for the USB devices and it fails. Not sure what is going
 on... It may be an issue with USB 1.0 versus 2.0?


 --
 Valmor
 
 Hi Valmor,
Good to know it at least gets you 1 step further in the right direction.
 
As for Win 7 installing USB drivers is there an option to not
 install it automatically and then you go look for the right driver and
 install it by hand?
 
One other possibility might be that either Linux or another VM is
 claiming the device and hence it's not responding correctly to the
 driver install. i typically run 3 VMs every day - 2 VMPLayer/XP and 1
 virtualbox/Win 7. I've noted that I have to be a little careful to
 ensure the VMs don't interfere with each other WRT USB devices.
 
Good luck figuring it out. Please post back if you find interesting info.
 
 Cheers,
 Mark
 

I think you are in the right track as far as a race between host and
guest for claiming the device. It is not the driver installation that is
the problem. The driver is installed and Windows7 says it is the latest
driver. The problem is that at the end of the installation W7 tries to
mount/start the device and that is when things do not work. The status
of the device is listed as

This device cannot start. (Code 10)

There is quite a bit on the web on the Code 10 error. Still
investigating...

fdisk -l   on the gentoo host lists the device if the guest is not
running. As soon as the guest boots, the device is not listed by fdisk
-l, this means that things are at least going in the right direction.
The vbox manual says that the device should be hidden from the host once
the guest gets a hold of it.



--
Valmor

Re: [gentoo-user] Ctrl+C not working over ssh?

2011-05-25 Thread Andy Wilkinson

On 05/25/2011 07:08 AM, Todd Goodman wrote:
 * Andy Wilkinson drukar...@gmail.com [110524 18:02]:
 On 05/24/2011 12:38 PM, Todd Goodman wrote:
 * Andy Wilkinsondrukar...@gmail.com  [110524 12:24]:
 I can't say for sure when this started, as I have gone a while without
 accessing my computer remotely much, but perhaps since my last upgrade
 (which may have included openrc), ctrl-c doesn't work over ssh.  I have
 tested this from multiple workstations and even my droid, using
 different terminal emulators, and have got consistent results.

 I'm not even sure where to start looking.  Googling didn't find me much
 (at least, not much that's current at all; 5 year-old ubuntu bugs aren't
 very useful), and I'm not sure at all what might be causing this.  Could
 anyone here point me to something that might be causing this?

 Thanks,

 -Andy
 I don't have any problems.  What does 'stty -a' show for the intr= bit?

 Todd

 $ stty -a
 speed 38400 baud; rows 23; columns 80; line = 0;
 intr = ^C; ...

 Which looks right, but when I try to use Ctrl-C, this happens:

 $ ping localhost
 PING localhost (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
 64 bytes from localhost (127.0.0.1): icmp_req=1 ttl=64 time=0.037 ms
 ^C64 bytes from localhost (127.0.0.1): icmp_req=2 ttl=64 time=0.032 ms
 ^C^C^C64 bytes from localhost (127.0.0.1): icmp_req=3 ttl=64 time=0.032 ms
 ^C^C^C^C^C^C64 bytes from localhost (127.0.0.1): icmp_req=4 ttl=64 
 time=0.034 ms
 ^C^C^C^C^C^C64 bytes from localhost (127.0.0.1): icmp_req=5 ttl=64 
 time=0.032 ms
 ^Z

 This does NOT happen locally: from a console or terminal at the machine, 
 I can interrupt just fine.  Ctrl-Z does//work over ssh.

 Thanks,

 -Andy
 Very strange (as someone else said.)

 Only thing I can think of is that something in your startup scripts
 (.profile, .bashrc, etc.) are doing something different between the
 two logins.

 I've seen that most often when they do things based on TERM and it's
 different between a local login and remote.

 Maybe make sure your startup scripts run with a 'set -x' at the
 beginning and compare the output?

 Good luck,

 Todd

Well, for no good reason, a reboot once I was back at the machine fixed
the issue.  I'm not sure why; I didn't change anything.  I hate not
knowing why reboots fix things. :(

-Andy

Re: [gentoo-user] haldaemon group/user

On 05/25/2011 04:46 PM, Paul Hartman wrote:
 On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Valmor de Almeida val.gen...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Should these have been eliminated or do I need to do it by hand or
 something else still needs it?
 
 I think you should do it by hand.
 
 In general, you can assume portage will never delete any config files
 or anything from /etc without your involvement (either manually or
 with etc-update or similar).
 

Cleaned by hand. All working.

Thanks,

--
Valmor

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Walter Dnes

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 07:13:41PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote
 On Wednesday 25 May 2011 08:46:48 Indi wrote:

 and have you ever heard of 'code reuse' or 'modularity'?
 
 It seems - no.
 
 Because KDE itself might be huge. But once loaded the apps are pretty small - 
 because they reuse code. kmail does not have its own html engine. It does not 
 matter where you type your text etc pp.

  Sorta like Internet Explorer in Windows.  It loads a lot faster and
lighter than Firefox or Opera.  That's because ie.exe is merely a front
end to a bunch of libraries that are loaded at boot time, which
contributes to the boot process taking do long.  Starting ie.exe takes
hardly any time, because 90% of the app is already loaded.

 Overall KDE uses LESS ram then most 'lightweight' solutions. Because 
 xtermabiwordsome odd pagerthunderbird don't look so good anymore.
 
 This gem is a couple of years old, but still a worthy read:
 
 http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
 
 
 Read it. Seriously.

  I don't know how good exmap is, but my personal experience is quite
different.  Between Fall 1999 and Summer 2007 I had a Dell Dimension
with a 450 mhz PIII and 128 megs of *SYSTEM RAM* (no not the video card).
It was actually quite usable to the very end, with Blackbox WM, and
running a few apps.  Meanwhile, KDE (and GNOME for that matter) would
take forever to load and make the system crawl after that, even with 1
or 2 apps loaded.

-- 
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org

Re: [gentoo-user] usb support in virtualbox