Re: [gentoo-user] installing gentoo (multiple OS)
@MIck I have a 1TB seagate disk drive, which I would like to install... 1. Will also have windoze whatever bs it is, since its usage is still in existence duh! - - 2. Surely Debian the universal OS - will have x86-64 image. - GNOME - Kernel 3.x. - bash 3. The Ubuntu - will have 32-bit - image. - XFCE - Kernel 3.x. - bash 4. The Slackware vanilla (stable), to get deep into the kernel :) - 32-bit image - registers and argument handling. - fluxbox - Kernel 2.xx.x - bash 5. Voiding Gentoo is like keeping the penguin out of ice cap, so will make space for it. -x86-32 image - KDE - Kernel 3.x. - sh 6. Thinking of legacy commercial unix solaris 5/09 (the original unix of them all) - 32-bit image - CDE - woohoo! I know its a bit whimsical, but would love to work on these OS'es except the #1 in order. Yes I have a PC clone, thus MBR. Any advise is welcome. On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 5:25 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 01 Dec 2011 07:24:47 srini srini wrote: Hello, I need some advise here as I am trying to install gentoo along with different other OS'es including windows. As I am new to this field I would need some guidance as to ho to go about and to know the subtleties between LILO and GRUB. Can anyone help me about this. How big is the disk(s)? Which OS' are you thinking of installing and in which order? Do you have installation CDs for all OS (including MSWindows)? Does your PC feature an MBR or an UEFI? -- Regards, Mick
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge ignoring -v switch
On Saturday 03 Dec 2011 16:45:19 Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 09:23:48AM -0500, Indi wrote: About a month or so ago I did an update which seems to have caused portage to lose the ability to work verbosely. Ever since it looks like this: paste idd@gh:[~]9:07:23 $ sudo emerge -vauND adobe-flash These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild U ] sys-libs/glibc-2.14.1-r1 [2.14.1] USE=nls -debug -gd -glibc-omitfp (-hardened) (-multilib) -profile (-selinux) -vanilla 150 kB [ebuild R] sys-devel/binutils-2.22 USE=nls zlib%* -multislot -multitarget -static-libs -test -vanilla 0 kB [ebuild U ] dev-libs/openssl-1.0.0e-r1 [1.0.0e] USE=bindist kerberos sse2 zlib -gmp -rfc3779 -static-libs% -test 3,950 kB [ebuild U ] net-misc/curl-7.23.1 [7.22.0] USE=ipv6 ssl threads -ares -gnutls -idn -kerberos -ldap -nss -ssh% -static-libs -test (-libssh2%) 2,321 kB [ebuild U ] dev-libs/cyrus-sasl-2.1.25 [2.1.23-r6] USE=berkdb openldap ssl -authdaemond -gdbm -java -kerberos -ldapdb% -mysql -pam -postgres -sample -sqlite% -srp -static-libs% -urandom (-crypt%*) (-ntlm_unsupported_patch%) 5,088 kB [ebuild U ] dev-vcs/git-1.7.8 [1.7.8_rc4] USE=blksha1 cgi curl cvs iconv perl python subversion threads webdav -doc -emacs -gtk (-ppcsha1) -tk -xinetd 3,941 kB Total: 6 packages (5 upgrades, 1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 15,448 kB Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No] y Verifying ebuild manifests Starting parallel fetch Emerging (1 of 6) sys-libs/glibc-2.14.1-r1 Jobs: 0 of 6 complete, 1 runningLoad avg: 2.16, 1.66, 1.10 /paste Remerged python, verified the right python via eselect, remerge portage, etc etc etc etc I just can't seem to get proper output from emerge anymore no matter what. Other than that everything is working fine, but I do need to see actual output. Anyone know what to do to fix this? Did you enable parallel builds? I.e. added --jobs and/or --load related options to EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS? In that case emerge uses this kind of output, because obviously you can’t display multiple builds at the same time in one window. The -v flag, to my knowledge, only affects the output of -p and -a, adding information like used and changed use flags and file size to download for each package to be installed. I've got both -j and -l set in my MAKEOPTS and portage is quite verbose as it has always been. I don't know if EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS has a different effect. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] clamav and spamassassin
On Dec 4, 2011 10:10 AM, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote: On 12/03/2011 09:48 PM, Pandu Poluan wrote: Thanks! Very helpful resources. You mentioned amavisd-new. What's their relationship? I mean, if I deploy postscreen, how will it affect amavisd-new? Postscreen sits in front of smtpd, and handles all incoming connections. It hands the good connections off to the real smtpd daemon. Amavisd-new (in both before/after-queue configurations) interacts with the real smtpd, so postscreen doesn't directly affect it at all. What was I talking about? With amavisd-new, a before-queue filter is generally nicer, because you can reject spam, notifying the sender, rather than discarding it or backscattering. But, amavisd-new is a hog, and with a before-queue filter, an amavis process gets used every time ANY connection is made. Since 95% of your connections will be crap (that is a technical term), you waste tons of resources creating/killing amavisd-new processes for botnets and other scum that will be rejected quickly. On a busy server, it will kill you. Postscreen only passes the good connections to a real smtpd, so with postscreen running, new amavis processes only get used for those good connections. If postscreen can get reject 90% of the incoming connections, you'll use an order of magnitude less resources doing before-queue filtering than you would without postscreen. So, in essence, postscreen is what allows you to run the before-queue filter with comparable resources to the after-queue filter. Thanks for all the information. You really should write a wiki.g.o article about the new setup :-) Rgds,
Re: [gentoo-user] installing gentoo (multiple OS)
As far as I know all/most of these OS will interfere with your MBR and potentially your /boot partition and install their boot code in there. This is not a problem per se, as long as you are aware of it. Booting from a LiveCD is all you will need to do to fix things. Given the number of OS' that you want to play with I would strongly advise to consider using virtualbox or any similar virtual machine, running in your favourite OS (e.g. Debian as the host) and then create VM images for each guest OS that you want installed. Performance will be only slightly slower than booting into these OS separately from BIOS, but on the other hand you won't need to be repartitioning or zeroing/formatting partitions when you want to get rid of an OS. Also, you may end up running out of partitions - I think SATA used to read up to 15 partitions only. So, with virtualbox you can add new OS images at a click of a button, instead of creating new partitions, moving partitions around and what not. LVM will help with sizing partitions on the fly, but will add another layer of complexity. Before I give specific OS suggestions below, let me propose a booting architecture for separate partitions for you to consider: Create one 'master' boot partition and install GRUB in it with a LiveCD. I'd use legacy GRUB because it is simpler, slimmer and easy to fix. Others may recommend GRUB2, which installs what looks to me like a mini OS in itself and automates a lot of the configuration. I've been less successful editing the boot options from the command line at boot time with GRUB2, but it is more stable these days. Anyway, both will work fine. Never delete this GRUB master partition, or you will need a LiveCD to be able to boot again. I'd create one swap partition for all OS except MSWindows, which will create its own paging file, fragment its own NTFS fs, corrupt this paging file without any help from you and then use up all the partition space and crash! ha, ha, ha! :)) Well, it's not always that bad, but it has happened here more than once. With the disk space available to you, you may create more than one swap partition. I seem to recall (could be wrong) with 32bit OS that 128M was the amount that would be accessed at a time by the kernel or something similar - so people used to create multiple 128M swap partitions. These days with 64bit OS and large RAM modules you may not need swap at all, unless you start running http servers, big databases, etc. In any case, I'd set up a 2G swap as a minimum and up to the size of your RAM as a maximum. Then if you decide to have separate real partitions on the disk for each OS instead of VM images, I would install each OS in their own partition without a separate boot partition for each, to keep the number of partitions down. You will then be able to chainload from your master boot menu.lst any OS boot system. If you will prefer to dual boot MSWindows and at least one main Linux system (which will host your virtual machines) I would refrain from using the MSWindows OS boot system to chainload Linux from it - because it is complicated and messy: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/226452 Specifics below. PS. I merely express a view here - how I would go about it. There are probably as many views on the things I suggest above as readers on this mailing list. Thankfully with Linux there's more than one way to skin a cat. PPS. No cats were harmed in preparing these suggestions! LOL! :)) On Sunday 04 Dec 2011 08:21:52 srini srini wrote: @MIck I have a 1TB seagate disk drive, which I would like to install... 1. Will also have windoze whatever bs it is, since its usage is still in existence duh! - - If you don't install this/these OS' in a VM, then bear in mind that Vista and Windows 7 create a separate hidden 200MB boot partition. This will eat up one more partition out of the 15 physical partitions on your SATA drive (you can use LVM if you're planning to exceed the 15). 2. Surely Debian the universal OS - will have x86-64 image. - GNOME - Kernel 3.x. - bash This can be a workhorse for your guest OS. It doesn't change often and things should *just* work. You can/should store the various OS' images on a separate physical partition. So you can always reinstall/upgrade your Debian without affecting all other OS. 3. The Ubuntu - will have 32-bit - image. - XFCE - Kernel 3.x. - bash 4. The Slackware vanilla (stable), to get deep into the kernel :) - 32-bit image - registers and argument handling. - fluxbox - Kernel 2.xx.x - bash Fluxbox is slim but needs a lot of configuration to make it look nice. I'd consider Englightenment (e17) from svn because it is both lighter on resources and looks nicer with minimal configuration. 5. Voiding Gentoo is like keeping the penguin out of ice cap, so will make space for it. -x86-32 image - KDE - Kernel 3.x. - sh Your Gentoo will take more space
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo + HP + Quickmedia
On Tuesday 29 Nov 2011 06:51:30 Carlos Sura wrote: Hello Mates, I have a new HP laptop i5, this came with Windows 7 pre-installed with HP quickweb (a tool that let me skype, check my email and navigate Interne, whitout loading WINDOWS). I believe that HP are using Splashtop OS to achieve 'Instant-on' functionality, which is running an embedded Linux kernel from ROM, with bootsplash, squashfs, and blackbox as the main binaries. Asus, Acer and others also joined in the fun. I'm wondering if there any way to leave quickweb with gentoo, or windows + quickweb + gentoo would be fine... Unless I got this wrong, the PC is essentially dual booting between the ROM resident OS and the disk OS. The latter can be any OS inc. Gentoo of course. Also if someone has suceffuly installed gentoo in HP DM4-1190la please let me know or a document of WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DO NOT WORKS would be fine. Regards -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] gnome3 hotkey for searching in overview
Am 03.12.2011 10:51, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Am 2011-12-02 16:57, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Good to hear. Maybe I will give it a try after doing some snapshot of my /-fs ... quick rollback possible ... emerged it on my thinkpad. Looks good and feels a bit more performant here than gnome-2 before. I think I like it on the laptop, here the keyboard-oriented usage makes more sense to me than on the desktop where I have a real mouse. I will keep it that way and see how I like it. Decided to migrate my main workstation as well. Clean cut. And fits the change of hardware somehow ;-) Looks good so far. So I might remove all that compiz-related stuff now ... and look how to run hamster-applet, for example. S
Re: [gentoo-user] gnome3 hotkey for searching in overview
ah, one more: Now would be the time to clean up gnome-related config-stuff. I see a rather long login-time (between entering the password and getting the started desktop). I also had that under gnome-2 and somehow hoped that this would magically disappear w/ gnome-3. What files may I safely remove without losing too much of my useful setting? .gconf(d) .gnome .gnome2 .gnome2_private ? Thanks, Stefan
[gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
One point no one has mentioned and I've wondered from time to time myself is whether one can expect gentoo to continue into the future for a long while, as compared to the likely hood of opensuse or maybe debian that has been around a very long time. It seemed at one time a year or so ago that gentoo's longevity was questionable. (Possibly my own mis-perception) For the OP, a few posters have mentioned that under gentoo, every thing is compiled from scratch, but it was not made clear that it happens again and again at most updates. No one has made clear that there is a very HUGE amount of time sunk into compiling absolutely everything. A single update, if one lets updating slip a bit, can literally take days to compile. And more days to reconfigure so that everything works again.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 07:44:32 -0600, Harry Putnam wrote: It seemed at one time a year or so ago that gentoo's longevity was questionable. (Possibly my own mis-perception) The discussions about Gentoo's imminent demise are an annual tradition. For the OP, a few posters have mentioned that under gentoo, every thing is compiled from scratch, but it was not made clear that it happens again and again at most updates. If the OP had read so little about Gentoo that they haven't gleaned that much, it certainly is not the distro for them. No one has made clear that there is a very HUGE amount of time sunk into compiling absolutely everything. A single update, if one lets updating slip a bit, can literally take days to compile. And more days to reconfigure so that everything works again. Is the time it takes the computer (not you) to compile updates that much of an issue. Unless you desperately need some feature only in the new release, you can carry on using the computer while it compiles the new versions for you. As for reconfiguring, that has nothing to do with whether the packages were compiled on your computer or a distro's build server, but configs rarely change that significantly. -- Neil Bothwick Love is grand. Divorce is a few grand more. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Controlling mkisofs output
The default behaviour for mkisofs is to display detailed progress information and a summary at the end. I don't want the progress information but do want the summary, but the -quiet argument suppresses both. Is there a way of telling mkisofs to omit only the progress information or am I forced to pipe stderr through grep? -- Neil Bothwick Bury a lawyer 12 feet under, because deep down they're nice. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge ignoring -v switch
On Sun, Dec 04, 2011 at 08:27:33AM +, Mick wrote: Remerged python, verified the right python via eselect, remerge portage, etc etc etc etc I just can't seem to get proper output from emerge anymore no matter what. Other than that everything is working fine, but I do need to see actual output. Anyone know what to do to fix this? Did you enable parallel builds? I.e. added --jobs and/or --load related options to EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS? In that case emerge uses this kind of output, because obviously you can’t display multiple builds at the same time in one window. The -v flag, to my knowledge, only affects the output of -p and -a, adding information like used and changed use flags and file size to download for each package to be installed. I've got both -j and -l set in my MAKEOPTS and portage is quite verbose as it has always been. I don't know if EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS has a different effect. Indeed it has. MAKE_OPTS contains options to make, whereas EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS contains those for emerge. Both have a -j option. If you tell -j (jobs) to emerge, it will do as many emerges simultaneously. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' I forbid any use of my email addresses with Facebook services. ...still, there is life before death! pgp717bZSW2Mg.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] What is the latest version for a new install
At distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/x86 I see 10.1, 11.0, 11.2 Which is the latest usable?
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: One point no one has mentioned and I've wondered from time to time myself is whether one can expect gentoo to continue into the future for a long while, as compared to the likely hood of opensuse or maybe debian that has been around a very long time. It seemed at one time a year or so ago that gentoo's longevity was questionable. (Possibly my own mis-perception) From my rudimentary gatherings while reading related blogs and historical perspectives, there are just two or three people who have been at the core of Gentoo for a very, very long time. Gentoo has long been the work of many hands, but these guys have been around the block a far more times. I don't know how well Gentoo would fare if one or three of them were to drop off the face of the earth. For the OP, a few posters have mentioned that under gentoo, every thing is compiled from scratch, but it was not made clear that it happens again and again at most updates. No one has made clear that there is a very HUGE amount of time sunk into compiling absolutely everything. I'd say bull, but that depends *greatly* on your hardware. When I talk about Gentoo with my friends, they admit to having tried it, but then say it took them a long, long time to build a system on their 486. You don't want to run Gentoo compiles on a 486. You probably ought not to run Gentoo compiles on any x86 processor older than an Athlon64 or Intel Core chip. For me, an emerge -e @world takes somewhere between four and ten hours, depending if it's the eight-core Xeon box or the quad-core Phenom box. As others noted in the build-speed optimization thread, it's pretty trivial to tune the system so that it doesn't impact many (most?) normal user activities, and can go on in the background. Otherwise, a full system rebuild isn't much more time consuming than something like a dist-upgrade on Debian or Ubuntu. There are factors you can tweak to go one way or the other, too. You might use bindists for chromium, firefox, thunderbird, xulrunner, libreoffice... That'd probably cut my Phenom system's compile time by about a quarter. I know installing a full KDE package set would *increase* build time on my system by about the same. The vast majority of the time, you're not building a full package set, but just ten or eleven packages. (if you let things slip a week or two, like I'm apt to do) A single update, if one lets updating slip a bit, can literally take days to compile. AFAIK, it can't take longer than an emerge -e @world, which I described above. And more days to reconfigure so that everything works again. That seems very unusual, unless by a bit you're talking on the order of six months. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] What is the latest version for a new install
Harry Putnam wrote: At distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/x86 I see 10.1, 11.0, 11.2 Which is the latest usable? 11.2 should work. I haven't tested it but it should be fine. It will also have less to update too. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
Harry Putnam wrote: One point no one has mentioned and I've wondered from time to time myself is whether one can expect gentoo to continue into the future for a long while, as compared to the likely hood of opensuse or maybe debian that has been around a very long time. It seemed at one time a year or so ago that gentoo's longevity was questionable. (Possibly my own mis-perception) For the OP, a few posters have mentioned that under gentoo, every thing is compiled from scratch, but it was not made clear that it happens again and again at most updates. No one has made clear that there is a very HUGE amount of time sunk into compiling absolutely everything. A single update, if one lets updating slip a bit, can literally take days to compile. And more days to reconfigure so that everything works again. People have been claiming Gentoo is dying for years. I seriously doubt that is going to happen anytime soon. I did sort of mention the compile times. Thing is, we don't know what sort of rig the OP has. If he has a really old rig, that could result is some long compile times. If it is a recently bought/built rig, then it may be fast enough to not matter. It seems no matter how much info a post has, there is always something missing. :/ I'm just glad I buy my tea loose. I can read the tea leaves easier. O_O Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] What is the latest version for a new install
I have used 11.2. It works fine. Linux Blog: http://xtreme-linux.blogspot.com/ Fedora Blog: http://xtreme-fedora.blogspot.com/ My Blog: http://sharedonweb.blogspot.com/ On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Harry Putnam wrote: At distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/**x86http://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/x86 I see 10.1, 11.0, 11.2 Which is the latest usable? 11.2 should work. I haven't tested it but it should be fine. It will also have less to update too. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
[gentoo-user] Re: Listing applications with eix...
meino.cramer at gmx.de writes: is there a way to list all -- for exmaple -- audio related applications without without being burried under audio related system libs for example or entries with (also as an exmaple) this application does not supprt audio but only imageing So the easy thing to is use the debian software index and find what your want (or a selection of applications) and then hope some of them are in portage or an overlay repository: http://packages.debian.org/stable/sound/ cd /usr/portage/media-sound eix -e package hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge ignoring -v switch
On Sunday 04 Dec 2011 14:05:29 Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Sun, Dec 04, 2011 at 08:27:33AM +, Mick wrote: Remerged python, verified the right python via eselect, remerge portage, etc etc etc etc I just can't seem to get proper output from emerge anymore no matter what. Other than that everything is working fine, but I do need to see actual output. Anyone know what to do to fix this? Did you enable parallel builds? I.e. added --jobs and/or --load related options to EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS? In that case emerge uses this kind of output, because obviously you can’t display multiple builds at the same time in one window. The -v flag, to my knowledge, only affects the output of -p and -a, adding information like used and changed use flags and file size to download for each package to be installed. I've got both -j and -l set in my MAKEOPTS and portage is quite verbose as it has always been. I don't know if EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS has a different effect. Indeed it has. MAKE_OPTS contains options to make, whereas EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS contains those for emerge. Both have a -j option. If you tell -j (jobs) to emerge, it will do as many emerges simultaneously. Oh I see! Thanks for explaining this. But then if there were say 5 ebuilds running in parallel and all their output printed in the same terminal, it would be almightily difficult to untangle the spaghetti that may show up in an error? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Re: What is the latest version for a new install
Harry Putnam reader at newsguy.com writes: At distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/x86 I see 10.1, 11.0, 11.2 Which is the latest usable? I have always just burned the latest install dvd, to take shopping and boot up potential computers and have a spin, right in the store. The last HP laptop I tried DV7-6178US did not boot ( I even when into the bios to try to get it to boot) off the dvd (11.2); so that was a new experience for me. What instructions are you using to install off of the 11.2 DVD? You can just boot the 11.2 dvd and run gentoo from the dvd, if you like. The handbook steps are somewhat different that installing off of the 11.2 dvd. I ran across some instructions on installing directly off the 11.2 dvd a while ago, but I did not try it: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Install_LiveDVD_11.2_to_hard_disk_drive hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Sun, 4 Dec 2011 13:55:28 + Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: For the OP, a few posters have mentioned that under gentoo, every thing is compiled from scratch, but it was not made clear that it happens again and again at most updates. If the OP had read so little about Gentoo that they haven't gleaned that much, it certainly is not the distro for them. I'd go so far as to say that if a user does not already have a reasonable grasp of how Gentoo works, can't give you a one-paragraph description of Gentoo that is reasonably accurate, and can't describe the concepts of how an ebuild would work, then Gentoo is not the distro for that user. Gentoo is like fine Italian vehicles - you can get stunning performance IF you know what you are doing, know what all the bits mean and are prepared to invest the insane amount of time and effort it requires (per the rule of diminishing returns). There's always a few edge cases like James, who simply cannot find any other useful way to build his embedded images. I suspect James looked at the landscape and saw two choices: build his own build machinery, or use Gentoo's which fits most of his needs most of the time. As soon as someone asks a question like which is better, OpenSuSE or Gentoo? you almost always know the answer cannot possibly be Gentoo. That user has to play with OpenSuSE for a while to discover for himself why this is so. I'm going to get flamed for this, and be accused of being elitist. It happens every time. And that's OK: If SuSE/RedHat were likened to good ready-made furniture, Debian would be top-grade DIY kits (they follow a formula but the user has some freedom to tweak what they build) and Gentoo wouldn't be furniture, it would be a cabinet-maker (with a concession that the user doesn't have to grow their own trees anymore, he can at least buy ready cut planks). LFS is the one that requires you to grow your own trees as well. There's a place in this world for amateur and professional cabinet-makers, but do we really want to recommend that the average DIY guy has to become one? I say suggest that the potential tinkerers cut their teeth on Debian first then switch to Gentoo on their own determinism when they understand the cost/benefit ratio themselves and can make an informed decision. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
[gentoo-user] kernel .config that works for gentoo as guest vm
Installing fresh gentoo in guest vm on win7 Before I even try to configure a kernel, because I've been down this road a few times, and so far have always had trouble getting a kernel config that boots first time on gentoo vm. The vm is a gentoo guest installed with Vbox on windows 7. Its been a while since I've done this but I recall having trouble getting the right drivers so that disks are properly discovered during boot. I think this kind of config is pretty generic but still manage to get it wrong repeatedly. Can anyone post a kernel .config that is known to boot a gentoo Vbox vm installed on windows 7. Or is there a generic config that will do that? I've tried genkernel in the past too, and still no boot on a vm. I guess it would be kernel-3.1.4.
[gentoo-user] Chrome
Dear All, Has anybody experienced that the Chrome browser is able to eat all of memory? I have this issue on both Linux and Win 7 as well. I assume flash could be the main issue. However, facebook, gmail and g+ eat more than 100 MByte memory. It's annoying... -- - - -- Csanyi Andras (Sayusi Ando) -- http://sayusi.hu -- http://facebook.com/andras.csanyi -- Trust in God and keep your gunpowder dry! - Cromwell
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sun, 4 Dec 2011 13:55:28 + Neil Bothwickn...@digimed.co.uk wrote: For the OP, a few posters have mentioned that under gentoo, every thing is compiled from scratch, but it was not made clear that it happens again and again at most updates. If the OP had read so little about Gentoo that they haven't gleaned that much, it certainly is not the distro for them. I'd go so far as to say that if a user does not already have a reasonable grasp of how Gentoo works, can't give you a one-paragraph description of Gentoo that is reasonably accurate, and can't describe the concepts of how an ebuild would work, then Gentoo is not the distro for that user. Gentoo is like fine Italian vehicles - you can get stunning performance IF you know what you are doing, know what all the bits mean and are prepared to invest the insane amount of time and effort it requires (per the rule of diminishing returns). There's always a few edge cases like James, who simply cannot find any other useful way to build his embedded images. I suspect James looked at the landscape and saw two choices: build his own build machinery, or use Gentoo's which fits most of his needs most of the time. As soon as someone asks a question like which is better, OpenSuSE or Gentoo? you almost always know the answer cannot possibly be Gentoo. That user has to play with OpenSuSE for a while to discover for himself why this is so. I'm going to get flamed for this, and be accused of being elitist. It happens every time. And that's OK: No flames from me. I agree. I wouldn't recommend Gentoo to someone who has no, or even very little, Linux experience. Looking back, I was one heck of a noob when I installed Gentoo. It had to be fools luck that I got it done. Then again, the docs were, and still are, really good. You can dang near copy and paste the commands. If SuSE/RedHat were likened to good ready-made furniture, Debian would be top-grade DIY kits (they follow a formula but the user has some freedom to tweak what they build) and Gentoo wouldn't be furniture, it would be a cabinet-maker (with a concession that the user doesn't have to grow their own trees anymore, he can at least buy ready cut planks). LFS is the one that requires you to grow your own trees as well. There's a place in this world for amateur and professional cabinet-makers, but do we really want to recommend that the average DIY guy has to become one? I say suggest that the potential tinkerers cut their teeth on Debian first then switch to Gentoo on their own determinism when they understand the cost/benefit ratio themselves and can make an informed decision. They can also do the install to a separate drive from within another distro too. That way they can have the docs, forums and other useful tools available. I know, I have heard of Knoppix too. Just saying. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
[gentoo-user] cleanup_tmp_dir()
Hi, how can I permanently and for all times and resistant against all kind of updates disable the function cleanup_tmp_dir() in /etc/init.d/bootmisc and similiar function, which automatically kill files??? best regards, mcc
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gnome 3.2.2 Block
Well I now have it all completely working and dumped my findings here: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/HOWTO_Gnome_3 Hopefully it helps the next person coming to Gnome 3 from a fresh install. On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Jason Weisberger jbdu...@gmail.com wrote: I was getting that error after syncing late last night. Here is the information I got on the situation that prompted me to remove introspection from :2 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/dev/241030 However after reading that more thoroughly and not having my system in front of me I think I might not have unmasked the latest version of pygobject:2 which uses the introspection flag not to build introspection support, but to automatically pull in pygobject:3 for it. I'm probably trying to build the old pygobject with built-in introspection support which conflicts with introspection in :3. So I think I finally figured out all my problems, I'll get home tonight after work and give it a try. Hopefully someone will Google this list and find this helpful, if not confusing. On Dec 3, 2011 10:50 AM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/02/2011 07:37 PM, Jason Weisberger wrote: Everything is compiling perfectly, albeit without fallback mode. Any ideas for resolving the pygobject:2 introspection block so I can install it? pygobject:2 needs -introspection to be able to slot :2 and :3 on the same system. That's not true on my system. I have pygobject-3.0.2 and 2.28.6-r50 *with* introspection, and I just re-emerged both of them without problem. Are you still getting that error after syncing today? -- Jason Weisberger jbdu...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
Dale writes: No flames from me. I agree. I wouldn't recommend Gentoo to someone who has no, or even very little, Linux experience. Looking back, I was one heck of a noob when I installed Gentoo. It had to be fools luck that I got it done. Then again, the docs were, and still are, really good. You can dang near copy and paste the commands. I know some people who had very few experience with Linux. But they succeeded in installing Gentoo. And they learnt a lot by doing so. If you installed Gentoo, you know Linux. That's what I like about Gentoo. You know what you are doing, and many integral parts are easier to understand than with another distro, where things are hidden by GUI config tools. But if you just want to have a Linux to play around with, go with a binary distro. You can install Gentoo later if you like, even while using the Linux you already have. If you have some space onthe disk to add other partitions. Did I mention yet that LVM is nice for this? Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel .config that works for gentoo as guest vm
On Dec 4, 2011 11:40 PM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Installing fresh gentoo in guest vm on win7 Before I even try to configure a kernel, because I've been down this road a few times, and so far have always had trouble getting a kernel config that boots first time on gentoo vm. The vm is a gentoo guest installed with Vbox on windows 7. Its been a while since I've done this but I recall having trouble getting the right drivers so that disks are properly discovered during boot. I think this kind of config is pretty generic but still manage to get it wrong repeatedly. Can anyone post a kernel .config that is known to boot a gentoo Vbox vm installed on windows 7. Or is there a generic config that will do that? I've tried genkernel in the past too, and still no boot on a vm. I guess it would be kernel-3.1.4. Did it fail halfway during boot, or was it completely unable to load the kernel? Rgds,
Re: [gentoo-user] cleanup_tmp_dir()
On Sun, 4 Dec 2011 17:47:40 +0100 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, how can I permanently and for all times and resistant against all kind of updates disable the function cleanup_tmp_dir() in /etc/init.d/bootmisc and similiar function, which automatically kill files??? In /etc/conf.d/bootmisc: # List of /tmp directories we should clean up clean_tmp_dirs=/tmp # Should we wipe the tmp paths completely or just selectively remove known # locks / files / etc... ? wipe_tmp=YES Set those variables to suit your needs. But one must ask, why? The whole point of /tmp is a scratch pad temp dir where files are not expected to survive past successive invocations of the same program and are definitely not expected to survive a reboot. If this is an issue for you, something is wrong with the code you run and you should reconfigure that code to use something other than /tmp. To the best of my knowledge bootmisc only ever runs in the first startup after a reboot. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 18:16:19 +0100 Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote: No flames from me. I agree. I wouldn't recommend Gentoo to someone who has no, or even very little, Linux experience. Looking back, I was one heck of a noob when I installed Gentoo. It had to be fools luck that I got it done. Then again, the docs were, and still are, really good. You can dang near copy and paste the commands. I know some people who had very few experience with Linux. But they succeeded in installing Gentoo. And they learnt a lot by doing so. If you installed Gentoo, you know Linux. I think we all know at least one person like that. Myself, I've trained more than just a few (the training salesperson had a knack for signing up people who had the smarts to cope with Gentoo). But for every one like that, there are at least 10 more that can't, and so often in this game I find that others are just not able to spot those 10. And worse, the 10 often give up and go back to Windows. So the question is not really can the user do it?, it is rather how will *this* person in front of me right now be best served? An equally good question is does this person right now asking me a question have what it takes to dive into Gentoo blindly, and swim? The answers to those questions are what should guide you. That's what I like about Gentoo. You know what you are doing, and many integral parts are easier to understand than with another distro, where things are hidden by GUI config tools. Precisely, which is why RedHat is great for a Windows sysadmin who really does want a plug-n-play distro. Debian is great for people who want to tinker safely - you get the plug-n-play of a binary distro and you also get build tools that don't explode in your face every time you try do something that is not exactly 100% TheTrueRedHatWay. But if you just want to have a Linux to play around with, go with a binary distro. You can install Gentoo later if you like, even while using the Linux you already have. If you have some space onthe disk to add other partitions. Did I mention yet that LVM is nice for this? Don't forget VirtualBox/VMWare/KVM/Xen and everything else like them :-) -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 18:16:19 +0100 Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote: No flames from me. I agree. I wouldn't recommend Gentoo to someone who has no, or even very little, Linux experience. Looking back, I was one heck of a noob when I installed Gentoo. It had to be fools luck that I got it done. Then again, the docs were, and still are, really good. You can dang near copy and paste the commands. I know some people who had very few experience with Linux. But they succeeded in installing Gentoo. And they learnt a lot by doing so. If you installed Gentoo, you know Linux. That's what I like about Gentoo. You know what you are doing, and many integral parts are easier to understand than with another distro, where things are hidden by GUI config tools. But if you just want to have a Linux to play around with, go with a binary distro. You can install Gentoo later if you like, even while using the Linux you already have. If you have some space onthe disk to add other partitions. Did I mention yet that LVM is nice for this? -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] cleanup_tmp_dir()
111204 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sun, 4 Dec 2011 17:47:40 +0100 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: how can I permanently disable the function cleanup_tmp_dir() in /etc/init.d/bootmisc and similiar function ? ... why ? The whole point of /tmp is a scratch pad where files are not expected to survive past successive invocations of the same program and are definitely not expected to survive a reboot. If this is an issue for you, you should reconfigure that code to use something other than /tmp. That can happen, eg if you use Mutt as your mail client leave the default tempdir in ~/.muttrc as /tmp , when your system crashes (eg power failure) in the middle of a msg, you will have to start writing the msg all over again. The way to avoid this is to change .muttrc to 'set tmpdir=/var/tmp', so that you can recall the .swp file rescue what you were writing. Perhaps the OP has some problem of that kind that is the solution. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel .config that works for gentoo as guest vm
grab my 3.0.2 virtualbox config [1] and do make oldconfig on it [1]: http://codepad.org/QreqHSMs
[gentoo-user] Re: kernel .config that works for gentoo as guest vm
Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info writes: On Dec 4, 2011 11:40 PM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Installing fresh gentoo in guest vm on win7 Before I even try to configure a kernel, because I've been down this road a few times, and so far have always had trouble getting a kernel config that boots first time on gentoo vm. The vm is a gentoo guest installed with Vbox on windows 7. Its been a while since I've done this but I recall having trouble getting the right drivers so that disks are properly discovered during boot. I think this kind of config is pretty generic but still manage to get it wrong repeatedly. Can anyone post a kernel .config that is known to boot a gentoo Vbox vm installed on windows 7. Or is there a generic config that will do that? I've tried genkernel in the past too, and still no boot on a vm. I guess it would be kernel-3.1.4. Did it fail halfway during boot, or was it completely unable to load the kernel? Well, like I said, I haven't even tried yet. But last time it booted to the point of recognizing my disks and thats what failed. So the correct mod for vm disks was missing I guess.
[gentoo-user] Re: kernel .config that works for gentoo as guest vm
Leho Kraav l...@kraav.com writes: grab my 3.0.2 virtualbox config [1] and do make oldconfig on it [1]: http://codepad.org/QreqHSMs Thank you.. that is exactly what I was after... I'll be trying it out in the next few hours.
[gentoo-user] cpio error still here... What
On new install, first attempt at kernel build. I hit this same old problem that was here mnths ago: usr/src/linux-3.1.14-gentoo/scripts/gen_initramfs_list.sh: Cannot open `/usr/share/v86d/initramfs [...] initramfs.cpio] Error 1 I know that one way to fix it is to emerge v86d which I am now doing, but seems like something that his a problem this long should have gone away by now... Or does it depend on user making some boneheaded selections during make menuconfig?
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kernel .config that works for gentoo as guest vm
On Sunday, December 4, 2011 9:20:02 PM UTC+2, Harry Putnam wrote: Leho Kraav le...@kraav.com writes: grab my 3.0.2 virtualbox config [1] and do make oldconfig on it [1]: http://codepad.org/QreqHSMs Thank you.. that is exactly what I was after... I'll be trying it out in the next few hours. I'm a lean n mean guy Harry. Took extra effort to disable everything not needed. So pay attention to filesystems selection etc.
Re: [gentoo-user] Chrome
On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 17:36 +0100, András Csányi wrote: Has anybody experienced that the Chrome browser is able to eat all of memory? I have this issue on both Linux and Win 7 as well. I assume flash could be the main issue. However, facebook, gmail and g+ eat more than 100 MByte memory. Chrome/Chromium is a memory-hungry app. It's annoying... Don't use Chrome.
[gentoo-user] Re: kernel .config that works for gentoo as guest vm
Leho Kraav l...@kraav.com writes: On Sunday, December 4, 2011 9:20:02 PM UTC+2, Harry Putnam wrote: Leho Kraav le...@kraav.com writes: grab my 3.0.2 virtualbox config [1] and do make oldconfig on it [1]: http://codepad.org/QreqHSMs Thank you.. that is exactly what I was after... I'll be trying it out in the next few hours. I'm a lean n mean guy Harry. Took extra effort to disable everything not needed. So pay attention to filesystems selection etc. Good man, yes I noticed it was lean... I trimmed even more. I hope I haven't shot myself in the foot... I'll be giving it its maiden voyage in a while.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Sun, 4 Dec 2011 19:37:27 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: An equally good question is does this person right now asking me a question have what it takes to dive into Gentoo blindly, and swim? The other question is do I have time to keep diving in to rescue this person when they get out of their depth. When you recommend Gentoo, you also volunteer to provide support. -- Neil Bothwick One of the nice things about standards is that there are so many of them. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge ignoring -v switch
On Sun, 4 Dec 2011 15:18:40 +, Mick wrote: But then if there were say 5 ebuilds running in parallel and all their output printed in the same terminal, it would be almightily difficult to untangle the spaghetti that may show up in an error? Which is why setting -j 1 sets wh -- Neil Bothwick I don't have any solution, but I certainly admire the problem. at is now the quiet-build option, so you only get the progress information from portage, not from gcc. If one of your ebuilds fails, the gcc output is displayed at the end. -- Neil Bothwick I've got a mind like a... a... what's that thing called? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] ECONF behavior
If I wanted to enable something during an emerge using ECONF to add a ./configure option... what is the proper syntax? I want to enable rootcommit for cvs. I thought I remembered something like: ECONF='--enable-rootcommit' USE='server' emerge -v cvs But when I watch that run I see --enable-rootcommit is not added to the configure flags. What have I done wrong? What should the cmdline look like?
[gentoo-user] Re: ECONF behavior
Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: If I wanted to enable something during an emerge using ECONF to add a ./configure option... what is the proper syntax? I want to enable rootcommit for cvs. I thought I remembered something like: ECONF='--enable-rootcommit' USE='server' emerge -v cvs But when I watch that run I see --enable-rootcommit is not added to the configure flags. What have I done wrong? What should the cmdline look like? Yikes, please disregard this request for help. I used the wrong wording altogether... it should be EXTRA_ECONF=, not just ECONF=
[gentoo-user] no sound on upgraded Firefox from 7 to 8 - using pulse audio
Hi, I have just upgraded Firefox from 7 to 8 and after that I was unable to hear the sound of videoclips from YouTube, for instance. I remember there was a little trick to make past versions of FF to work with pulse audio (that I use so VirtualBox machines can also play sounds), but can't find what it was. Any hints, please? Thanks Francisco -- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have one idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw
[gentoo-user] vbox vm no boot
Fresh install of gentoo as guest vm on win7 Configured kernel, fdisked like so: /dev/sda1 boot /dev/sda2 swap /dev/sda3 / set boot as bootable emerged various things... emerged grub and ran it grub root (hd0,0) setup (hd0,0) bla bla [...] succeeded Edited fstab /dev/sda1 /boot [...] /dev/sda2 swap [...] /dev/sda3 / [...] [...] But, when I remove the livecd and attempt to boot from hdd, its a total failure: FATAL: No bootable medium found! System halted So it appears that as has always been the case, there is some PITA stopping up the works. So what is the trick here... one googled result says to boot with something containing gparted and set the boot partition bootable.. that cfdisk doesn't work. I used fdisk... is there anything to that claim.. or better yet what do I need to do here.
Re: [gentoo-user] vbox vm no boot
On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 15:53:40 -0600 Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Fresh install of gentoo as guest vm on win7 Configured kernel, fdisked like so: /dev/sda1 boot /dev/sda2 swap /dev/sda3 / set boot as bootable emerged various things... emerged grub and ran it grub root (hd0,0) setup (hd0,0) bla bla [...] succeeded Edited fstab /dev/sda1 /boot [...] /dev/sda2 swap [...] /dev/sda3 / [...] [...] But, when I remove the livecd and attempt to boot from hdd, its a total failure: FATAL: No bootable medium found! System halted So it appears that as has always been the case, there is some PITA stopping up the works. So what is the trick here... one googled result says to boot with something containing gparted and set the boot partition bootable.. that cfdisk doesn't work. I used fdisk... is there anything to that claim.. or better yet what do I need to do here. A Gentoo VM on a Linux host works fine here with the same setup. Let's examine the host settings first as that affects booting too. What settings do you have on the System and Storage tabs on the VBox host for that vm? -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Sun, 4 Dec 2011 20:45:26 + Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 4 Dec 2011 19:37:27 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: An equally good question is does this person right now asking me a question have what it takes to dive into Gentoo blindly, and swim? The other question is do I have time to keep diving in to rescue this person when they get out of their depth. When you recommend Gentoo, you also volunteer to provide support. I was going to mention something like that too. But every time I do, I get flamed badly for being an elitist dick. Must have something to do with the way I express myself :-) I reckoned this time I'd try a different tack and attempt to keep the thread on-topic and relevant... -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Mon, 5 Dec 2011 00:11:08 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: The other question is do I have time to keep diving in to rescue this person when they get out of their depth. When you recommend Gentoo, you also volunteer to provide support. I was going to mention something like that too. But every time I do, I get flamed badly for being an elitist dick. Must have something to do with the way I express myself :-) No comment :P I reckoned this time I'd try a different tack and attempt to keep the thread on-topic and relevant... Well, it is relevant, although it is not specific to Gentoo. It's the same when you recommend that a Windows using friend tries Linux (any flavour) - be prepared for plenty of phone calls. -- Neil Bothwick What's the greatest world-wide use of cowhide? To hold cows together. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: vbox vm no boot
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: [...] A Gentoo VM on a Linux host works fine here with the same setup. Let's examine the host settings first as that affects booting too. What settings do you have on the System and Storage tabs on the VBox host for that vm? I guess the easiest is to post screen shots of those tabs: www.jtan.com/~reader/vu2/disp.cgi I did notice that on System tab the chipset is listed as piix3 and on Storage Tab it shows `type' as PIIX4. At first there were no other choices on the drop downs, so I assumed it was ok like that... now I see the dropdown on Storage has gotten populated since I last tried it. I set it to match the System `chip' PIIX3... but still the same failure. Maybe those are not related to the problem?
[gentoo-user] Re: vbox vm no boot
Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: [...] A Gentoo VM on a Linux host works fine here with the same setup. Let's examine the host settings first as that affects booting too. What settings do you have on the System and Storage tabs on the VBox host for that vm? I guess the easiest is to post screen shots of those tabs: www.jtan.com/~reader/vu2/disp.cgi I did notice that on System tab the chipset is listed as piix3 and on Storage Tab it shows `type' as PIIX4. At first there were no other choices on the drop downs, so I assumed it was ok like that... now I see the dropdown on Storage has gotten populated since I last tried it. I set it to match the System `chip' PIIX3... but still the same failure. Maybe those are not related to the problem? Haa... that google hit I mentioned about resetting bootable with gparted worked... Now bootup starts. But the same old sorry bs I have always hit with gentoo when trying to setup a vm is now present and accounted for... www.jtan.com/~reader/vu1/disp.cgi
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vbox vm no boot
On Dec 5, 2011 7:19 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: [...] A Gentoo VM on a Linux host works fine here with the same setup. Let's examine the host settings first as that affects booting too. What settings do you have on the System and Storage tabs on the VBox host for that vm? I guess the easiest is to post screen shots of those tabs: www.jtan.com/~reader/vu2/disp.cgi I did notice that on System tab the chipset is listed as piix3 and on Storage Tab it shows `type' as PIIX4. At first there were no other choices on the drop downs, so I assumed it was ok like that... now I see the dropdown on Storage has gotten populated since I last tried it. I set it to match the System `chip' PIIX3... but still the same failure. Maybe those are not related to the problem? Haa... that google hit I mentioned about resetting bootable with gparted worked... Now bootup starts. But the same old sorry bs I have always hit with gentoo when trying to setup a vm is now present and accounted for... www.jtan.com/~reader/vu1/disp.cgi Seems to be a case of missing driver to me :-) Rgds,
[gentoo-user] Re: vbox vm no boot
Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info writes: On Dec 5, 2011 7:19 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: [...] A Gentoo VM on a Linux host works fine here with the same setup. Let's examine the host settings first as that affects booting too. What settings do you have on the System and Storage tabs on the VBox host for that vm? I guess the easiest is to post screen shots of those tabs: www.jtan.com/~reader/vu2/disp.cgi I did notice that on System tab the chipset is listed as piix3 and on Storage Tab it shows `type' as PIIX4. At first there were no other choices on the drop downs, so I assumed it was ok like that... now I see the dropdown on Storage has gotten populated since I last tried it. I set it to match the System `chip' PIIX3... but still the same failure. Maybe those are not related to the problem? Haa... that google hit I mentioned about resetting bootable with gparted worked... Now bootup starts. But the same old sorry bs I have always hit with gentoo when trying to setup a vm is now present and accounted for... www.jtan.com/~reader/vu1/disp.cgi Seems to be a case of missing driver to me :-) Yes it is, and its missing because I have no idea what it wants. Do you?
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vbox vm no boot
On Dec 5, 2011 7:55 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info writes: On Dec 5, 2011 7:19 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: [...] A Gentoo VM on a Linux host works fine here with the same setup. Let's examine the host settings first as that affects booting too. What settings do you have on the System and Storage tabs on the VBox host for that vm? I guess the easiest is to post screen shots of those tabs: www.jtan.com/~reader/vu2/disp.cgi I did notice that on System tab the chipset is listed as piix3 and on Storage Tab it shows `type' as PIIX4. At first there were no other choices on the drop downs, so I assumed it was ok like that... now I see the dropdown on Storage has gotten populated since I last tried it. I set it to match the System `chip' PIIX3... but still the same failure. Maybe those are not related to the problem? Haa... that google hit I mentioned about resetting bootable with gparted worked... Now bootup starts. But the same old sorry bs I have always hit with gentoo when trying to setup a vm is now present and accounted for... www.jtan.com/~reader/vu1/disp.cgi Seems to be a case of missing driver to me :-) Yes it is, and its missing because I have no idea what it wants. Do you? I'm still on my way to the office, so I can't for sure tell you what, but IIRC if you use Vbox's default settings for a Gentoo Linux VM, it's ICH9. Rgds,
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vbox vm no boot
On Mon, 5 Dec 2011 07:34:46 +0700 Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Dec 5, 2011 7:19 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: [...] A Gentoo VM on a Linux host works fine here with the same setup. Let's examine the host settings first as that affects booting too. What settings do you have on the System and Storage tabs on the VBox host for that vm? I guess the easiest is to post screen shots of those tabs: www.jtan.com/~reader/vu2/disp.cgi I did notice that on System tab the chipset is listed as piix3 and on Storage Tab it shows `type' as PIIX4. At first there were no other choices on the drop downs, so I assumed it was ok like that... now I see the dropdown on Storage has gotten populated since I last tried it. I set it to match the System `chip' PIIX3... but still the same failure. Maybe those are not related to the problem? Haa... that google hit I mentioned about resetting bootable with gparted worked... Now bootup starts. But the same old sorry bs I have always hit with gentoo when trying to setup a vm is now present and accounted for... www.jtan.com/~reader/vu1/disp.cgi Seems to be a case of missing driver to me :-) I'm not convinced. The error is: FATAL: No bootable medium found! System halted That's a BIOS error, the vm's kernel and it's drivers have not yet been loaded, never mind running when that happens. In this respect a VM works just like physical hardware, so what does one do with that error on physical hardware? you check the BIOS settings. Harry, start the VM and engage the BIOS setup, see what it has been configured to do wrt booting. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vbox vm no boot
On Mon, 5 Dec 2011 08:01:57 +0700 Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Dec 5, 2011 7:55 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info writes: On Dec 5, 2011 7:19 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: [...] A Gentoo VM on a Linux host works fine here with the same setup. Let's examine the host settings first as that affects booting too. What settings do you have on the System and Storage tabs on the VBox host for that vm? I guess the easiest is to post screen shots of those tabs: www.jtan.com/~reader/vu2/disp.cgi I did notice that on System tab the chipset is listed as piix3 and on Storage Tab it shows `type' as PIIX4. At first there were no other choices on the drop downs, so I assumed it was ok like that... now I see the dropdown on Storage has gotten populated since I last tried it. I set it to match the System `chip' PIIX3... but still the same failure. Maybe those are not related to the problem? Haa... that google hit I mentioned about resetting bootable with gparted worked... Now bootup starts. But the same old sorry bs I have always hit with gentoo when trying to setup a vm is now present and accounted for... www.jtan.com/~reader/vu1/disp.cgi Seems to be a case of missing driver to me :-) Yes it is, and its missing because I have no idea what it wants. Do you? I'm still on my way to the office, so I can't for sure tell you what, but IIRC if you use Vbox's default settings for a Gentoo Linux VM, it's ICH9. At least on a Linux host, PIIX works fine for Linux guests. Performance sucks rather majorly[1], but it does at least work. [1] sucks meaning lots of IOwaiting resulting in top showing excessive load figures on the host. Probably a case of PIIX not being optimized and running very generic, slow, code. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vbox vm no boot
On Dec 5, 2011 8:01 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Dec 5, 2011 7:55 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info writes: Yes it is, and its missing because I have no idea what it wants. Do you? I'm still on my way to the office, so I can't for sure tell you what, but IIRC if you use Vbox's default settings for a Gentoo Linux VM, it's ICH9. Here's my suggestion : 1. Go to http://www.kernel.org/doc/menuconfig/x86.html 2. Search for ICH 3. Activate / enable the setting in make menuconfig 4. The usual steps : make, make modules_install, copy kernel to /boot, edit menu.lst Good luck! Rgds,
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vbox vm no boot
On Dec 5, 2011 8:13 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 5 Dec 2011 07:34:46 +0700 Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Dec 5, 2011 7:19 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: [...] A Gentoo VM on a Linux host works fine here with the same setup. Let's examine the host settings first as that affects booting too. What settings do you have on the System and Storage tabs on the VBox host for that vm? I guess the easiest is to post screen shots of those tabs: www.jtan.com/~reader/vu2/disp.cgi I did notice that on System tab the chipset is listed as piix3 and on Storage Tab it shows `type' as PIIX4. At first there were no other choices on the drop downs, so I assumed it was ok like that... now I see the dropdown on Storage has gotten populated since I last tried it. I set it to match the System `chip' PIIX3... but still the same failure. Maybe those are not related to the problem? Haa... that google hit I mentioned about resetting bootable with gparted worked... Now bootup starts. But the same old sorry bs I have always hit with gentoo when trying to setup a vm is now present and accounted for... www.jtan.com/~reader/vu1/disp.cgi Seems to be a case of missing driver to me :-) I'm not convinced. The error is: FATAL: No bootable medium found! System halted Have you seen his last screen cap? The latest error message is now: Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root. The preceding lines don't indicate the kernel recognizing any hard disks, so I guessed the right driver has not been loaded. Rgds,
[gentoo-user] Re: vbox vm no boot
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: FATAL: No bootable medium found! System halted That's a BIOS error, the vm's kernel and it's drivers have not yet been loaded, never mind running when that happens. In this respect a VM works just like physical hardware, so what does one do with that error on physical hardware? you check the BIOS settings. Harry, start the VM and engage the BIOS setup, see what it has been configured to do wrt booting. You may have missed a post where I reported that resetting /dev/sda1 as bootable using gparted rather than fdisk, allowed the boot to proceed. We are now at a kernel panic posted at: www.jtan.com/~reader/vu1/disp.cgi Where it appears there is a missing driver.
[gentoo-user] Re: vbox vm no boot
Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info writes: On Dec 5, 2011 7:55 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info writes: On Dec 5, 2011 7:19 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: [...] A Gentoo VM on a Linux host works fine here with the same setup. Let's examine the host settings first as that affects booting too. What settings do you have on the System and Storage tabs on the VBox host for that vm? I guess the easiest is to post screen shots of those tabs: www.jtan.com/~reader/vu2/disp.cgi I did notice that on System tab the chipset is listed as piix3 and on Storage Tab it shows `type' as PIIX4. At first there were no other choices on the drop downs, so I assumed it was ok like that... now I see the dropdown on Storage has gotten populated since I last tried it. I set it to match the System `chip' PIIX3... but still the same failure. Maybe those are not related to the problem? Haa... that google hit I mentioned about resetting bootable with gparted worked... Now bootup starts. But the same old sorry bs I have always hit with gentoo when trying to setup a vm is now present and accounted for... www.jtan.com/~reader/vu1/disp.cgi Seems to be a case of missing driver to me :-) Yes it is, and its missing because I have no idea what it wants. Do you? I'm still on my way to the office, so I can't for sure tell you what, but IIRC if you use Vbox's default settings for a Gentoo Linux VM, it's ICH9. I'll try that, but I think I've noticed what is missing when I clicked on the storage tab and then on the sata controller... it shows type AHCI and that suddenly rang a bell. I think that may be it... but right now I've ditched the vm I was trying to setup and started over. So I'll be a little while getting to the boot from disc stage again.
[gentoo-user] pg_upgrade91 - You must have read and write access in the current directory
I'm upgrading form posgresql 9.0 to 9.1, it seem to the upgrade went OK but when try to transfer the data base: pg_upgrade91 -v --old-datadir=/var/lib/postgresql/9.0/data/ --new-datadir=/var/lib/postgresql/9.1/data --old-bindir=/usr/lib/postgresql-9.0/bin/ --new-bindir=/usr/lib/postgresql-9.1/bin/ Running in verbose mode Performing Consistency Checks - Checking current, bin, and data directories You must have read and write access in the current directory. Failure, exiting What am I doing wrong? Is it a bug? http://postgresql.1045698.n5.nabble.com/Problem-with-pg-upgrade-s-directory-write-check-on-Windows-td4626004.html -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] pg_upgrade91 - You must have read and write access in the current directory
In linux.gentoo.user, Joseph wrote: I'm upgrading form posgresql 9.0 to 9.1, it seem to the upgrade went OK but when try to transfer the data base: pg_upgrade91 -v --old-datadir=/var/lib/postgresql/9.0/data/ --new-datadir=/var/lib/postgresql/9.1/data --old-bindir=/usr/lib/postgresql-9.0/bin/ --new-bindir=/usr/lib/postgresql-9.1/bin/ Running in verbose mode Performing Consistency Checks - Checking current, bin, and data directories You must have read and write access in the current directory. Failure, exiting What am I doing wrong? Have you checked that you have read and write access in the current directory before running the command? I did the upgrade as the postgres user and made sure that I ran the command from a read/writable directory for that user. -- Regards, Gregory.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vbox vm no boot
On Dec 5, 2011 8:35 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info writes: On Dec 5, 2011 7:55 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info writes: On Dec 5, 2011 7:19 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: [...] A Gentoo VM on a Linux host works fine here with the same setup. Let's examine the host settings first as that affects booting too. What settings do you have on the System and Storage tabs on the VBox host for that vm? I guess the easiest is to post screen shots of those tabs: www.jtan.com/~reader/vu2/disp.cgi I did notice that on System tab the chipset is listed as piix3 and on Storage Tab it shows `type' as PIIX4. At first there were no other choices on the drop downs, so I assumed it was ok like that... now I see the dropdown on Storage has gotten populated since I last tried it. I set it to match the System `chip' PIIX3... but still the same failure. Maybe those are not related to the problem? Haa... that google hit I mentioned about resetting bootable with gparted worked... Now bootup starts. But the same old sorry bs I have always hit with gentoo when trying to setup a vm is now present and accounted for... www.jtan.com/~reader/vu1/disp.cgi Seems to be a case of missing driver to me :-) Yes it is, and its missing because I have no idea what it wants. Do you? I'm still on my way to the office, so I can't for sure tell you what, but IIRC if you use Vbox's default settings for a Gentoo Linux VM, it's ICH9. I'll try that, but I think I've noticed what is missing when I clicked on the storage tab and then on the sata controller... it shows type AHCI and that suddenly rang a bell. I think that may be it... but right now I've ditched the vm I was trying to setup and started over. So I'll be a little while getting to the boot from disc stage again. Just before emerging the source, you really should tarball *everything* (except /proc, /sys, /var/tmp/*, and /usr/portage/distfiles/*), so you can just 'pick up where you left it' :-) Rgds,
Re: [gentoo-user] pg_upgrade91 - You must have read and write access in the current directory
On 12/05/11 13:37, Gregory Shearman wrote: In linux.gentoo.user, Joseph wrote: I'm upgrading form posgresql 9.0 to 9.1, it seem to the upgrade went OK but when try to transfer the data base: pg_upgrade91 -v --old-datadir=/var/lib/postgresql/9.0/data/ --new-datadir=/var/lib/postgresql/9.1/data --old-bindir=/usr/lib/postgresql-9.0/bin/ --new-bindir=/usr/lib/postgresql-9.1/bin/ Running in verbose mode Performing Consistency Checks - Checking current, bin, and data directories You must have read and write access in the current directory. Failure, exiting What am I doing wrong? Have you checked that you have read and write access in the current directory before running the command? I did the upgrade as the postgres user and made sure that I ran the command from a read/writable directory for that user. -- Regards, Gregory. Yes, I did su postgres and ls -al /var/lib/postgresql/9.1/ drwx-- 13 postgres postgres 4096 Dec 4 18:20 data so it should work. -- Joseph
[gentoo-user] Re: vbox vm no boot
Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info writes: Just before emerging the source, you really should tarball *everything* (except /proc, /sys, /var/tmp/*, and /usr/portage/distfiles/*), so you can just 'pick up where you left it' :-) That's almost as slow as starting over from scratch... hehe.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vbox vm no boot
On Dec 5, 2011 10:42 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info writes: Just before emerging the source, you really should tarball *everything* (except /proc, /sys, /var/tmp/*, and /usr/portage/distfiles/*), so you can just 'pick up where you left it' :-) That's almost as slow as starting over from scratch... hehe. In my case, I've successfully re-used the stage3.5 tarball anytime I need to deploy a new Gentoo VM. Saves on download time :-) (I also have gcc upgraded to 4.5.3 and performed the acrobatics necessary to activate gcc's Graphite feature, and upgraded glibc, *before* creating stage3.5, so yes it's a huge timesaver for me) Rgds,
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vbox vm no boot
On Monday 05 Dec 2011 01:25:06 Harry Putnam wrote: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: FATAL: No bootable medium found! System halted That's a BIOS error, the vm's kernel and it's drivers have not yet been loaded, never mind running when that happens. In this respect a VM works just like physical hardware, so what does one do with that error on physical hardware? you check the BIOS settings. Harry, start the VM and engage the BIOS setup, see what it has been configured to do wrt booting. You may have missed a post where I reported that resetting /dev/sda1 as bootable using gparted rather than fdisk, allowed the boot to proceed. We are now at a kernel panic posted at: www.jtan.com/~reader/vu1/disp.cgi Where it appears there is a missing driver. Did you try to untick the floppy drive (from the storage tab)? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Advice on system monitoring
I haven't yet needed to do this kind of system monitoring, so I'm very much a newbie here. Let's start with that dual-xeon box I was using to benchmark emerge -e @world, figure I'm looking for how better to tune my MAKEOPTS and EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS variables, and assume I'd like to get more information about the following factors: * What was the 1m, 5m 15m load averages? * What were the similar averages for CPU spent in user time, system time and I/O wait? * What was network usage like? (I have a caching proxy server on the network, so even if distfiles are lost on-system, well, a cache hit transfers at up to around 50MB/s. It'd be better, except for read performance limitations on the router box, and write performance limitations on the local machine) * What was the temperature of each CPU core, RAM module and hard drive? (Not so relevant for improving system performance, but still of interest.) I'd like to have a web interface I could navigate to which would show graphs of these counters. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Advice on system monitoring
On Monday 05 December 2011 07:29:34 Michael Mol wrote: I haven't yet needed to do this kind of system monitoring, so I'm very much a newbie here. Let's start with that dual-xeon box I was using to benchmark emerge -e @world, figure I'm looking for how better to tune my MAKEOPTS and EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS variables, and assume I'd like to get more information about the following factors: * What was the 1m, 5m 15m load averages? * What were the similar averages for CPU spent in user time, system time and I/O wait? * What was network usage like? (I have a caching proxy server on the network, so even if distfiles are lost on-system, well, a cache hit transfers at up to around 50MB/s. It'd be better, except for read performance limitations on the router box, and write performance limitations on the local machine) * What was the temperature of each CPU core, RAM module and hard drive? (Not so relevant for improving system performance, but still of interest.) I'd like to have a web interface I could navigate to which would show graphs of these counters. There are many web interface for that. You should look at munin, rrdtool, nagios, this kind of stuff. I have set my own. Have a look there : https://www.22decembre.eu/status/ (I have setup my own certificate authority for ssl). If you need help, don't hesitate to contact me ! But you may find also better help around ! See you... -- Stéphane Guedon http://www.22decembre.eu/ http://lectures.22decembre.eu/ carte de visite : http://www.22decembre.eu/downloads/Stephane-Guedon.vcf signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] usb mount problem
When I try to mount my mp3-player as usb storage device, an error 'bad block device' occurs. I re-checked usb part of kernel config, all relevant devices compiled. where should I dig? some diagnostics lsusb Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 003 Device 002: ID 05d5:8001 Super Gate Technology Co., Ltd Bus 004 Device 002: ID 045e:0039 Microsoft Corp. IntelliMouse Optical Bus 004 Device 003: ID 056a:00d1 Wacom Co., Ltd Bamboo Pen Touch (CTH-460-DE) Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0402:7108 ALi Corp. # == my player dmesg is polluted with something like this usb-storage: *** thread sleeping. usb-storage: queuecommand_lck called usb-storage: *** thread awakened. usb-storage: Command ALLOW_MEDIUM_REMOVAL (6 bytes) usb-storage: 1e 00 00 00 01 00 usb-storage: Bulk Command S 0x43425355 T 0x28b L 0 F 0 Trg 0 LUN 0 CL 6 usb-storage: usb_stor_bulk_transfer_buf: xfer 31 bytes usb-storage: Status code 0; transferred 31/31 usb-storage: -- transfer complete usb-storage: Bulk command transfer result=0 usb-storage: Attempting to get CSW... usb-storage: usb_stor_bulk_transfer_buf: xfer 13 bytes usb-storage: Status code 0; transferred 13/13 usb-storage: -- transfer complete usb-storage: Bulk status result = 0 usb-storage: Bulk Status S 0x53425355 T 0x28b R 0 Stat 0x1 usb-storage: -- transport indicates command failure usb-storage: Issuing auto-REQUEST_SENSE usb-storage: Bulk Command S 0x43425355 T 0x28c L 18 F 128 Trg 0 LUN 0 CL 6 usb-storage: usb_stor_bulk_transfer_buf: xfer 31 bytes usb-storage: Status code 0; transferred 31/31 usb-storage: -- transfer complete usb-storage: Bulk command transfer result=0 usb-storage: usb_stor_bulk_transfer_sglist: xfer 18 bytes, 1 entries usb-storage: Status code 0; transferred 18/18 usb-storage: -- transfer complete usb-storage: Bulk data transfer result 0x0 usb-storage: Attempting to get CSW... usb-storage: usb_stor_bulk_transfer_buf: xfer 13 bytes usb-storage: Status code 0; transferred 13/13 usb-storage: -- transfer complete usb-storage: Bulk status result = 0 usb-storage: Bulk Status S 0x53425355 T 0x28c R 0 Stat 0x0 usb-storage: -- Result from auto-sense is 0 usb-storage: -- code: 0x2, key: 0x5, ASC: 0x24, ASCQ: 0x0 usb-storage: (Unknown Key): (unknown ASC/ASCQ) usb-storage: scsi cmd done, result=0x2 usb-storage: *** thread sleeping. usb-storage: queuecommand_lck called usb-storage: *** thread awakened. usb-storage: Command REQUEST_SENSE (6 bytes) usb-storage: 03 00 00 00 60 00 usb-storage: Bulk Command S 0x43425355 T 0x28d L 96 F 128 Trg 0 LUN 0 CL 6 usb-storage: usb_stor_bulk_transfer_buf: xfer 31 bytes usb-storage: Status code 0; transferred 31/31 usb-storage: -- transfer complete usb-storage: Bulk command transfer result=0 usb-storage: usb_stor_bulk_transfer_sglist: xfer 96 bytes, 1 entries usb-storage: Status code -121; transferred 18/96 usb-storage: -- short read transfer usb-storage: Bulk data transfer result 0x1 usb-storage: Attempting to get CSW... usb-storage: usb_stor_bulk_transfer_buf: xfer 13 bytes usb-storage: Status code 0; transferred 13/13 usb-storage: -- transfer complete usb-storage: Bulk status result = 0 usb-storage: Bulk Status S 0x53425355 T 0x28d R 0 Stat 0x0 usb-storage: scsi cmd done, result=0x0 usb-storage: *** thread sleeping. usb-storage: device_reset called usb-storage: usb_stor_Bulk_reset called usb-storage: usb_stor_control_msg: rq=ff rqtype=21 value= index=00 len=0
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vbox vm no boot
On Mon, 5 Dec 2011 08:20:22 +0700 Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Dec 5, 2011 8:13 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 5 Dec 2011 07:34:46 +0700 Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Dec 5, 2011 7:19 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: [...] A Gentoo VM on a Linux host works fine here with the same setup. Let's examine the host settings first as that affects booting too. What settings do you have on the System and Storage tabs on the VBox host for that vm? I guess the easiest is to post screen shots of those tabs: www.jtan.com/~reader/vu2/disp.cgi I did notice that on System tab the chipset is listed as piix3 and on Storage Tab it shows `type' as PIIX4. At first there were no other choices on the drop downs, so I assumed it was ok like that... now I see the dropdown on Storage has gotten populated since I last tried it. I set it to match the System `chip' PIIX3... but still the same failure. Maybe those are not related to the problem? Haa... that google hit I mentioned about resetting bootable with gparted worked... Now bootup starts. But the same old sorry bs I have always hit with gentoo when trying to setup a vm is now present and accounted for... www.jtan.com/~reader/vu1/disp.cgi Seems to be a case of missing driver to me :-) I'm not convinced. The error is: FATAL: No bootable medium found! System halted Have you seen his last screen cap? The latest error message is now: Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root. The preceding lines don't indicate the kernel recognizing any hard disks, so I guessed the right driver has not been loaded. Yes, I see the latest screenshot now. Must have missed that one. Harry, that error almost always indicates you do not have the drivers for PIIX compiled into the kernel. I assume you are not using an initramfs so that driver must be compiled in, not a module. In make menuconfig, it's found at Device Drivers - Serial ATA and Parallel ATA drivers Similar for the file system driver (presumably ext2|3|4) for the partition hosting /boot, that too must be compiled in (not a module) -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
