[gentoo-user] «-»: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-user] «-»: [gentoo-user] Gnupg 2 and BZIP2 preference
few times my bzip2 flag is set from installation of systemabd since then I needed gpg 1.4 one time so I needed emrege it (downgrading gpg 2) and then again upgrading it back and then I even tried (few times) to emrege gpg (for rebuilding) because of this problem If you want to see emerge --info gnupg follow my bug https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=390163 S On 2011-12-06 01:51, Claudio Roberto França Pereira wrote: Are you sure you've re-emerged the package after adding the bzip2 use flag? Run eix app-crypt/gnupg to confirm. -- Samuraiii e-mail: samura...@volny.cz GnuPG key ID: 0x80C752EA (obtainable on http://pgp.mit.edu) Full copy of public timestamp block signatures id- (from ) is included in header of html.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: I no longer run Gentoo on my Pentium IBM laptop - let's face it with 72M RAM even fluxbox was a bit sluggish! Ha! ;)- I do however run it on my 1998 vintage Pentium 3 laptop and before that on a Pentium 3 Coppermine. KDE is sluggish and rebuilding KDE takes a day or so. That's why I don't run a full KDE ... ;p Only some KDE apps on e17. I guess, if Gentoo is required to be learned first and that's why it is not so popular like Ubuntu and lag far behind than it. When I asked a stranger do you know about Computers? He says, no but I know what it is. Then I asked him of Linux, he says, yes I heard of Ubuntu but I don't know! At least he heard of Ubuntu and Gentoo (when asked about) he says: Is it a country? /o\
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: I do however run it on my 1998 vintage Pentium 3 laptop and before that on a Pentium 3 Coppermine. KDE is sluggish and rebuilding KDE takes a day or so. That's why I don't run a full KDE ... ;p Only some KDE apps on e17. However, Getoo could be great (I really don't know) but installing Ubuntu is working like a charm (I still don't know anything in Linux!) But I don't know why the creators of Gentoo made it so difficult for beginners! It is typical then
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 05:54:22 -0500, LinuxIsOne wrote: But I don't know why the creators of Gentoo made it so difficult for beginners! Because Gentoo is not for beginners, there are already plenty of distros, like Mandriva and Ubuntu, catering for first time users. Gentoo is a power users distro. -- Neil Bothwick A printer consists of three main parts: the case, the jammed paper tray and the blinking red light. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Installing Gentoo: Grub, alternate GNU/Linux system on another partition
On 5 December 2011, at 23:43, Neil Bothwick wrote: ... I wouldn't bother, Mint already has Grub2, which makes adding extra distros a piece of cake. Install Gentoo, without a bootloader, reboot into Mint and run sudo grub-update. This one. Everyone else who is replying is part of a conspiracy to confuse and cloud the issue. What version of Grub you're using isn't so important as the principle that *you already have a bootloader, so there's no need to install another one*. Just skip the bootloader section of the Gentoo install completely and add Gentoo to the option list of your exiting bootloader configuration. Were you installing Gentoo alongside an existing installation of another distro that used Grub 0.9x (for instance) then this could be done (for instance) by booting to the other distro and entering `mount /boot vi /boot/grub/grub.conf`. Stroller.
[gentoo-user] Re: Gnupg 2 and BZIP2 preference
Am 06.12.2011 11:18, schrieb Samuraiii: few times my bzip2 flag is set from installation of systemabd since then I needed gpg 1.4 one time so I needed emrege it (downgrading gpg 2) and then again upgrading it back and then I even tried (few times) to emrege gpg (for rebuilding) because of this problem If you want to see emerge --info gnupg follow my bug https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=390163 S There is also a GnuPG mailing list with some highly competent participants. Maybe you should ask there. Maybe something about your gpg config or key file is off. Regards, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] thinkpad w/ core i5-2xxx ?
I have an offer to sell my Lenovo ThinkPad R61 (Intel Core2Duo T8100). I am rather happy with that notebook, after having upgraded RAM, SSD and a new batterypack. The opportunity to get some money for it instead of using it until it isn't worth anything anymore makes me look for a new thinkpad. I'd like to keep with thinkpads as I like the overall quality ... Now there are so many variants and additionally it is always the question how the specific device behaves with linux and/or gentoo. Maybe anyone in here has some good recommendation out of personal experience? wishlist: core i5-2xxx CPU =4 GB RAM any hdd (I will put my SSD in there) ~15 inches of matte display I like that thinklight feature ... though it's not a must ;-) That's about it for a first thought. Thanks, looking forward to any tips, Stefan
Re: [gentoo-user] thinkpad w/ core i5-2xxx ?
Am 06.12.2011 13:29, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: That's about it for a first thought. second thought: I'd like it to be cheaper than ~1000 EUR So those big irons fall out of choice. S
Re: [gentoo-user] thinkpad w/ core i5-2xxx ?
On Tue, 2011-12-06 at 13:29 +0100, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: I have an offer to sell my Lenovo ThinkPad R61 (Intel Core2Duo T8100). I am rather happy with that notebook, after having upgraded RAM, SSD and a new batterypack. The opportunity to get some money for it instead of using it until it isn't worth anything anymore makes me look for a new thinkpad. I'd like to keep with thinkpads as I like the overall quality ... Now there are so many variants and additionally it is always the question how the specific device behaves with linux and/or gentoo. Maybe anyone in here has some good recommendation out of personal experience? wishlist: core i5-2xxx CPU =4 GB RAM any hdd (I will put my SSD in there) ~15 inches of matte display I like that thinklight feature ... though it's not a must ;-) That's about it for a first thought. Thanks, looking forward to any tips, Stefan I too have an R61... was happy that it came preinstalled with Linux (albeit SuSe Linux) and the general experience with it has been rather pleasant. It was my first ThinkPad and what got me hooked on them. Earlier this year I bought an X1.. I was specifically looking for something thinner/lighter and without things I don't use (e.g. optical drive and VGA port). The X1 fits the bill, but with some caveats.. it's a glossy widescreen. While I've gotten use to the screen (and actually like it in many ways), I'd still rather have a 4:3 screen. The thinness and lightness, and nice backlit keyboard make up for it though. The X1 is pretty much Gentoo-friendly. all the hardware I have is supported (well I haven't tried the fingerprint reader in Gentoo, but it works to boot/resume the machine). Bluetooth and SDHC adapter works. All extra keys work (there aren't really many extra keys, which I like). HDMI works (though I haven't tried audio via HDMI yet). The USB3 port works. The eSATA port works. Bluetooth works. Things you may not like: built-in battery. The battery life is kinda only so-so, which is disappointing for a thin/light. I get about 3-4 hours on a charge. I've heard reports of bigger ThinkPads getting better battery life. It does have an option. Oh, the keyboard is different, but I like it. I type pretty well on it (as a programmer I bang on it quite a lot). I originally had a problem where the up arrow seemed not to fit correctly, and had to apply a little extra pressure to get it to work, but I guess normal wear on it has made it act normally. Some people complained that there is not CAPS lock indicator on the machine, but as I have CAPS mapped to another CTRL key, it has not been an issue for me. When I got my X1 it kept shutting down.. overheating or whatever. It was *very* annoying. I took it to the authorized repair center a few times. First they replaced the fan, then the battery. Finally I quasi-purposefully bricked it (updated the firmware and it shut off midway). I took it to the repair center again. This time they shipped it to Lenovo. Lenovo replaced the motherboard. And, quite surprisingly, they replaced my i3 processor with an i7 for free. Since the motherboard replacement, the machine has not shut down on me once (and I stress it pretty good with Gentoo) so perhaps it was just a bad capacitor or something. When it's cool it's quiet. When it's hot the fan is pretty audible. But it usually cools down pretty quick after an emerge. All-in-all, I really like the thin/lightness of the machine. It's very portable, but not one of those netbooks (which are too small for my tastes and I never touched one with a keyboard that I liked). It's powerful enough for my needs and the build quality is good (not withstanding the original heating issue (repaired), the keyboard issue (fixed itself), and the glossy screen (learned to live with it). Hope this helps, -a
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
111206 LinuxIsOne wrote: Then I asked him of ... Gentoo he says: Is it a country? No, it's a miniature penguin (smile). -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] thinkpad w/ core i5-2xxx ?
Am 06.12.2011 14:05, schrieb Albert W. Hopkins: I too have an R61... was happy that it came preinstalled with Linux (albeit SuSe Linux) and the general experience with it has been rather pleasant. It was my first ThinkPad and what got me hooked on them. Same here, yes ... Earlier this year I bought an X1.. I was specifically looking for something thinner/lighter and without things I don't use (e.g. optical drive and VGA port). The X1 fits the bill, but with some caveats.. it's a glossy widescreen. While I've gotten use to the screen (and actually like it in many ways), I'd still rather have a 4:3 screen. The thinness and lightness, and nice backlit keyboard make up for it though. X1 - too expensive for my current budget and needs. Especially with glossy screen :-) Thinner/lighter, yes, I would also like that. The X1 is pretty much Gentoo-friendly. all the hardware I have is supported (well I haven't tried the fingerprint reader in Gentoo, but it works to boot/resume the machine). Bluetooth and SDHC adapter works. All extra keys work (there aren't really many extra keys, which I like). HDMI works (though I haven't tried audio via HDMI yet). The USB3 port works. The eSATA port works. Bluetooth works. Things you may not like: built-in battery. The battery life is kinda only so-so, which is disappointing for a thin/light. I get about 3-4 hours on a charge. I've heard reports of bigger ThinkPads getting better battery life. It does have an option. Yep, builtin battery is a minus. I had to buy a new one already for the R61. Oh, the keyboard is different, but I like it. I type pretty well on it (as a programmer I bang on it quite a lot). I originally had a problem where the up arrow seemed not to fit correctly, and had to apply a little extra pressure to get it to work, but I guess normal wear on it has made it act normally. Some people complained that there is not CAPS lock indicator on the machine, but as I have CAPS mapped to another CTRL key, it has not been an issue for me. When I got my X1 it kept shutting down.. overheating or whatever. It was *very* annoying. I took it to the authorized repair center a few times. First they replaced the fan, then the battery. Finally I quasi-purposefully bricked it (updated the firmware and it shut off midway). I took it to the repair center again. This time they shipped it to Lenovo. Lenovo replaced the motherboard. And, quite surprisingly, they replaced my i3 processor with an i7 for free. Since the motherboard replacement, the machine has not shut down on me once (and I stress it pretty good with Gentoo) so perhaps it was just a bad capacitor or something. Good to hear they were cooperative ... When it's cool it's quiet. When it's hot the fan is pretty audible. But it usually cools down pretty quick after an emerge. All-in-all, I really like the thin/lightness of the machine. It's very portable, but not one of those netbooks (which are too small for my tastes and I never touched one with a keyboard that I liked). It's powerful enough for my needs and the build quality is good (not withstanding the original heating issue (repaired), the keyboard issue (fixed itself), and the glossy screen (learned to live with it). Hope this helps, -a Albert, thanks a lot for your detailled report ... although I won't get an X1 it helps anyway. I currently look at the cheaper ones: Edge E520, L520, T420 ... Stefan
Re: [gentoo-user] Listing applications with eix...
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 2:14 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, is there a way to list all -- for exmaple -- audio related applications without without being burried under audio related system libs for example or entries with (also as an exmaple) this application does not supprt audio but only imageing I want the full dexcription, not only the heade line... Here's one way that I like to look for these, Meino: eix --stable -c -S audio Obviously there's no easy way to get a noise-free listing of what you want, but I've often found looking for text in the description with the -S is a useful method. -- Bill Longman
Re: [gentoo-user] Listing applications with eix...
Bill Longman wrote: is there a way to list all -- for exmaple -- audio related applications without without being burried under audio related system libs for example or entries with (also as an exmaple) this application does not supprt audio but only imageing I want the full dexcription, not only the heade line... Here's one way that I like to look for these, Meino: eix --stable -c -S audio Obviously there's no easy way to get a noise-free listing of what you want, but I've often found looking for text in the description with the -S is a useful method. well, there is this: (don't forget the trailing slash!) `eix -c media-sound/` but for a whole category you'll definitely want to use '-c', there is so much... but all audio related even without audio in the name or description. Rudmer
[gentoo-user] zeitgeist in Gnome 3
Anyone using that? I see three pkgs in portage: dev-libs/libzeitgeist gnome-extra/zeitgeist gnome-extra/zeitgeist-datahub This allows me to use this extension: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/33/jump-lists/ but afai see it only works with libreoffice right now, but not with other applications like thunderbird. I wonder if I need gnome-activity-journal for that (not in portage or the gnome-overlay)? Or is that so far not yet available in gnome-3.2? Stefan
Re: [gentoo-user] clamav and spamassassin
What about trouble with the DNSBL lists? I know when I changed my IP address I had to work to get the new one removed from a few blacklists it had previously been placed on. I wasn't sending spam, but my messages would have been blocked under that config if I hadn't done the work to get the IP off the lists. - Grant We do get false positives from the blacklists on rare occasion, but they're the same ones we got before postscreen. Before postscreen, we had, smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, ... reject_rbl_client psbl.surriel.com, reject_rbl_client bl.spamcop.net, reject_rbl_client zen.spamhaus.org, reject_rbl_client b.barracudacentral.org, permit After postscreen, we have, smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, ... permit postscreen_dnsbl_sites = psbl.surriel.com, bl.spamcop.net, zen.spamhaus.org, b.barracudacentral.org The two should be more or less equivalent considering that postscreen_dnsbl_threshold = 1. (I should mention that you have to register with barracuda before using their list.) Got it. Your explanations are positively lucid. I added this to /etc/postifx/main.cf: postscreen_greet_action = enforce postscreen_pipelining_enable = yes postscreen_pipelining_action = enforce postscreen_non_smtp_command_enable = yes postscreen_non_smtp_command_action = enforce postscreen_bare_newline_enable = yes postscreen_bare_newline_action = enforce and I commented this and restarted postfix: #check_policy_service inet:127.0.0.1:10030 Should this effectively disable postgrey and enable postscreen? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Configure xorg Failed
Xorg is complaining that it couldn't open IPv6 sockets. Xorg uses sockets to handle the clients, that's what makes it work with remote clients. I'd guess that you tried to built a no-network box, but Xorg need sockets. It doesn't make much sense in a Gentoo world, but it was worth trying. Another possibility is that you built your kernel without IPv6 support, but forgot to disable the ipv6 USE flag. $ emerge -pv xorg-server These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R] x11-base/xorg-server-1.11.2-r2 USE=ipv6 nptl udev xorg xvfb -dmx -doc -kdrive -minimal -static-libs -tslib -xnest 4,831 kB Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 4,831 kB $ gunzip -c /proc/config.gz | grep -i ipv6 CONFIG_IPV6=y # CONFIG_IPV6_PRIVACY is not set # CONFIG_IPV6_ROUTER_PREF is not set # CONFIG_IPV6_OPTIMISTIC_DAD is not set # CONFIG_IPV6_MIP6 is not set # CONFIG_IPV6_SIT is not set # CONFIG_IPV6_TUNNEL is not set # CONFIG_IPV6_MULTIPLE_TABLES is not set # CONFIG_IPV6_MROUTE is not set
Re: [gentoo-user] zeitgeist in Gnome 3
Am Dienstag, den 06.12.2011, 17:16 +0100 schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Anyone using that? I see three pkgs in portage: dev-libs/libzeitgeist gnome-extra/zeitgeist gnome-extra/zeitgeist-datahub This allows me to use this extension: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/33/jump-lists/ but afai see it only works with libreoffice right now, but not with other applications like thunderbird. I wonder if I need gnome-activity-journal for that (not in portage or the gnome-overlay)? Or is that so far not yet available in gnome-3.2? Stefan Applications need to support zeitgeist. If an application do not support it (Thunderbird most certainly doesn't), files and activities simply don't get recorded. For example, opening files in Nautilus will track opened files but doing something on the shell will not. Regards signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] clamav and spamassassin
On 12/06/11 11:32, Grant wrote: Got it. Your explanations are positively lucid. I added this to /etc/postifx/main.cf: postscreen_greet_action = enforce postscreen_pipelining_enable = yes postscreen_pipelining_action = enforce postscreen_non_smtp_command_enable = yes postscreen_non_smtp_command_action = enforce postscreen_bare_newline_enable = yes postscreen_bare_newline_action = enforce and I commented this and restarted postfix: #check_policy_service inet:127.0.0.1:10030 Should this effectively disable postgrey and enable postscreen? That will disable postgrey, but isn't enough to enable postscreen. There are a couple of daemons you have to enable in master.cf (steps 2 through 6): http://www.postfix.org/POSTSCREEN_README.html#enable That README refers to lines that are commented-out in master.cf; of course, if you've upgraded from an earlier of postfix, you won't have them. What I did was to untar the latest postfix release under my home directory, and find the master.cf that ships with it. Then, I copy/pasted the lines mentioned in the README over to my real master.cf. After a restart, you should see lines like this in your mail log: Dec 6 03:13:46 mx1 postfix/postscreen[2810]: CONNECT from ... that let you know its' working.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing Gentoo: Grub, alternate GNU/Linux system on another partition
On 05.12.2011 22:58, Grant Edwards wrote: Grub can chainload any bootloader that's visible to BIOS. At minimum, that means you could have grub on /dev/sda I have a setting with three bootloaders chained. First Grub2 who boots Gentoo or the Windows XP bootloader. The Windows Bootloader has to option to start Windows XP or a second Grub2 that loads a Xubuntu installed with wubi inside of a 30GB file on the ntfs drive C:. I am more then happy when I get the ok to kill Windows and Xubuntu, because that chain is very creepy ;-) Greetings Sebastian
Re: [gentoo-user] zeitgeist in Gnome 3
Am 2011-12-06 17:59, schrieb Aljosha Papsch: Applications need to support zeitgeist. If an application do not support it (Thunderbird most certainly doesn't), files and activities simply don't get recorded. For example, opening files in Nautilus will track opened files but doing something on the shell will not. That's where zeitgeist-datasources come in? https://launchpad.net/zeitgeist-datasources for example for firefox etc S
Re: [gentoo-user] clamav and spamassassin
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote: On 12/06/11 11:32, Grant wrote: Got it. Your explanations are positively lucid. I added this to /etc/postifx/main.cf: postscreen_greet_action = enforce postscreen_pipelining_enable = yes postscreen_pipelining_action = enforce postscreen_non_smtp_command_enable = yes postscreen_non_smtp_command_action = enforce postscreen_bare_newline_enable = yes postscreen_bare_newline_action = enforce and I commented this and restarted postfix: #check_policy_service inet:127.0.0.1:10030 Should this effectively disable postgrey and enable postscreen? That will disable postgrey, but isn't enough to enable postscreen. There are a couple of daemons you have to enable in master.cf (steps 2 through 6): http://www.postfix.org/POSTSCREEN_README.html#enable That README refers to lines that are commented-out in master.cf; of course, if you've upgraded from an earlier of postfix, you won't have them. What I did was to untar the latest postfix release under my home directory, and find the master.cf that ships with it. Then, I copy/pasted the lines mentioned in the README over to my real master.cf. After a restart, you should see lines like this in your mail log: Dec 6 03:13:46 mx1 postfix/postscreen[2810]: CONNECT from ... that let you know its' working. Thanks for bringing up postscreen and the rest of your responses to Grant in this thread, I wasn't aware of it either. None of the HOWTOs I read ever mentioned it. :) I'm going to give it a try and see how it goes.
Re: [gentoo-user] zeitgeist in Gnome 3
Am Dienstag, den 06.12.2011, 19:22 +0100 schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Am 2011-12-06 17:59, schrieb Aljosha Papsch: Applications need to support zeitgeist. If an application do not support it (Thunderbird most certainly doesn't), files and activities simply don't get recorded. For example, opening files in Nautilus will track opened files but doing something on the shell will not. That's where zeitgeist-datasources come in? https://launchpad.net/zeitgeist-datasources for example for firefox etc S I wasn't aware of that project, thanks for the hint! :) Yes, they seem to provide data providers for certain applications. A look in the trunk reveals which applications: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~zeitgeist-dataproviders/zeitgeist-datasources/trunk/files signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] clamav and spamassassin
Got it. Your explanations are positively lucid. I added this to /etc/postifx/main.cf: postscreen_greet_action = enforce postscreen_pipelining_enable = yes postscreen_pipelining_action = enforce postscreen_non_smtp_command_enable = yes postscreen_non_smtp_command_action = enforce postscreen_bare_newline_enable = yes postscreen_bare_newline_action = enforce and I commented this and restarted postfix: #check_policy_service inet:127.0.0.1:10030 Should this effectively disable postgrey and enable postscreen? That will disable postgrey, but isn't enough to enable postscreen. There are a couple of daemons you have to enable in master.cf (steps 2 through 6): http://www.postfix.org/POSTSCREEN_README.html#enable That README refers to lines that are commented-out in master.cf; of course, if you've upgraded from an earlier of postfix, you won't have them. What I did was to untar the latest postfix release under my home directory, and find the master.cf that ships with it. Then, I copy/pasted the lines mentioned in the README over to my real master.cf. After a restart, you should see lines like this in your mail log: Dec 6 03:13:46 mx1 postfix/postscreen[2810]: CONNECT from ... that let you know its' working. Do you know how smtps comes into play? Right now I've got the following uncommented in master.cf: smtp inet n - n - - smtpd smtps inet n - n - - smtpd -o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes Should I write an smtpsd line or does tlsproxy make that unnecessary? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 12:00:03PM +0100, LinuxIsOne wrote: However, Getoo could be great (I really don't know) but installing Ubuntu is working like a charm (I still don't know anything in Linux!) But I don't know why the creators of Gentoo made it so difficult for beginners! It is typical then I don't know why the creators of Gentoo made it so difficult for beginners! It is typical then Whaddayatawkinbout, gentoo is more than great, it's awesome! Gentoo isn't intended for beginners, and makes no claims about user friendliness of which I'm aware. Generally speaking, making things user friendly entails adding more layers of abstraction. It's nice for those who don't want to study to learn how to use their computer, but it's not going to give the best performance. Security is also frequently impacted to some degree. Were it otherwise, there might be fewer geeky distros and more easy ones. :) There's nothig wrong with using Ubuntu though - I tend to recommend Linux Mint over Ubuntu for eginner or non-technical users. Opensuse is just a mess everytime I try it (admittedly, more than a year has passed so maybe it's killer now). Good luck and enjoy your adventures in OSes. :) -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 12:00:02PM +0100, LinuxIsOne wrote: I guess, if Gentoo is required to be learned first and that's why it is not so popular like Ubuntu and lag far behind than it. When I asked a stranger do you know about Computers? He says, no but I know what it is. Then I asked him of Linux, he says, yes I heard of Ubuntu but I don't know! At least he heard of Ubuntu and Gentoo (when asked about) he says: Is it a country? /o\ That's ok -- we don't care much about Joe Sixpack's ignorance, and not every software project is seeking world domination. -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 11:15:31AM +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 05:54:22 -0500, LinuxIsOne wrote: But I don't know why the creators of Gentoo made it so difficult for beginners! Because Gentoo is not for beginners, there are already plenty of distros, like Mandriva and Ubuntu, catering for first time users. Gentoo is a power users distro. -- Neil Bothwick A printer consists of three main parts: the case, the jammed paper tray and the blinking red light. And yet the documentation is clear enough for anyone to follow along. Which leads me to my next point: the Gentoo documentation is far and away the best of any distro I have tried. Whoever writes these docs deserves a heap of accolades for his efforts. Terry
Re: [gentoo-user] clamav and spamassassin
On 12/06/2011 04:34 PM, Grant wrote: Do you know how smtps comes into play? Right now I've got the following uncommented in master.cf: smtp inet n - n - - smtpd smtps inet n - n - - smtpd -o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes Should I write an smtpsd line or does tlsproxy make that unnecessary? SMTPS is deprecated. You probably don't need it at all, unless you do. Some older (Microsoft...) clients can't use anything else for encryption. These days, the proper way to secure your users' connections is with TLS on the submission port, 587. You should also have a commented-out 'submission' line in your master.cf; that's what it's for. The idea is that you can force encryption on port 587, and have your users connect there instead of port 25. Then, the only restriction you need for those connections is that the username/password be correct. The rest of the mail comes in on port 25, unencrypted, as usual, and is subjected to your anti-spam checks. If you're using either SMTPS or the submission service, you don't need to change them. Your users will continue to connect to port 465 (smtps) or 587 (submission), bypassing postscreen entirely. If you're not using the submission service, i.e. both external and user-submitted mail come in on port 25, then you'll probably want to exempt your users from the postscreen restrictions: http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#postscreen_access_list but you should really be using the submission port!
[gentoo-user] Re: Anyone using libreoffice 3.5.0.0 yet?
On 12/05/2011 09:41 AM, Paul Hartman wrote: On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Albert W. Hopkins mar...@letterboxes.org wrote: IIRC, libreoffice was released with *experimental* support for gtk3, and have acknowledged that there are issues with the gtk3 port. However Gentoo decided to enable gtk3 support by default. However it *should* work as expected when built against gtk2. Looks like the ebuild has been updated and now has -gtk3 by default. :) Yes, I just finished rebuilding it and all the painting problems are gone. No hacking needed :) Just be aware that some settings may get reset to default values and you need to look in the various preferences menus or toolbar settings to get back your favorite look and feel. Not a big deal as long as you know what to do about it. All of my usual settings are still available but I had to re-enable them before I was sure they weren't removed or broken.
Re: [gentoo-user] Listing applications with eix...
On 12/06/2011 06:55 AM, Rudmer van Dijk wrote:
Bill Longman wrote:
is there a way to list all -- for exmaple -- audio related
applications without without being burried under audio related
system libs for example or entries with (also as an exmaple)
this application does not supprt audio but only imageing
I want the full dexcription, not only the heade line...
Here's one way that I like to look for these, Meino:
eix --stable -c -S audio
Obviously there's no easy way to get a noise-free listing of what you
want, but I've often found looking for text in the description with the
-S is a useful method.
well, there is this: (don't forget the trailing slash!)
`eix -c media-sound/`
but for a whole category you'll definitely want to use '-c', there is so
much... but all audio related even without audio in the name or
description.
If you know your application lives in a specific category, then you
should use the -C category. But Meino's question specifically asked
how to get ANY audio related application out of all of portage. That
means you have to search WITHOUT a category, unless of course you are
doing searches through each individual category in search of some string.
The lowercase -c compresses the output to include the header. The
uppercase -C forces a category. You can use wildcards on categories, for
instance, -C sci-* ks returns entries from
sci-{chemistry,electronics,libs,visualization}.
[gentoo-user] Re: no sound on upgraded Firefox from 7 to 8 - using pulse audio
On 12/04/2011 01:41 PM, Francisco Ares wrote: Hi, I have just upgraded Firefox from 7 to 8 and after that I was unable to hear the sound of videoclips from YouTube, for instance. I remember there was a little trick to make past versions of FF to work with pulse audio (that I use so VirtualBox machines can also play sounds), but can't find what it was. Hi Francisco. I can't answer your Firefox question, sorry, but may I ask you a question about pulseaudio instead? There are several of us old atavistic grumps (you know who you are, Alan) who can't see any use for pulseaudio and therefore disable it with useflags and any other way we can. For example, I use vbox all the time and have no problem getting sound from my vbox guests, or from firefox or any other application. Sound just works without pulseaudio -- so why do I need it? Sadly, gnome3 has made pulseaudio mandatory if I want to use the volume control applet on gnome-panel (and I do) so I now have the pulseaudio daemon running in the background, but all of my apps are built without the pulseaudio useflag and all produce good sound even when I kill the pulseaudio daemon manually. I still don't get the whole idea behind pulseaudio.
Re: [gentoo-user] thinkpad w/ core i5-2xxx ?
Am 06.12.2011 14:59, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: I currently look at the cheaper ones: Edge E520, L520, T420 ... Zooming in on a L520 w/ core i5-2430M and WXGA++ (higher resolution) Any concerns or experiences? Thanks, greets, Stefan
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 5:04 PM, ny6...@gmail.com wrote: And yet the documentation is clear enough for anyone to follow along. Which leads me to my next point: the Gentoo documentation is far and away the best of any distro I have tried. Whoever writes these docs deserves a heap of accolades for his efforts. Terry This doesn't get pointed out enough. I started out on Mandrake myself and as soon as I ran into a problem, there was such a drastic learning curve, dealing with RPMs was horrendous at the time, it just wasn't worth it to me to dig to find what was below the pretty layer when the pretty layer didn't cut it. Then I used Slackware, which was great for me, did exactly what I wanted when I asked and absolutely nothing I didn't ask for... but it wasn't until I jumped into LFS that I really learned a great deal about *how* Linux actually works. Gentoo is the only place I've found comparable documentation to LFS, and even when dealing with other distros I find myself relying on Gentoo and LFS documentation more *each* than all others combined. -- Poison [BLX] Joshua M. Murphy
[gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On 2011-12-06, Indi thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 12:00:03PM +0100, LinuxIsOne wrote: However, Getoo could be great (I really don't know) but installing Ubuntu is working like a charm (I still don't know anything in Linux!) But I don't know why the creators of Gentoo made it so difficult for beginners! Because that's the price of making it good for experienced users. A lot of people will try to tell you it doesn't have to be that way, but experience always seems to prove it is that way. It is typical then I don't know why the creators of Gentoo made it so difficult for beginners! It is typical then Whaddayatawkinbout, gentoo is more than great, it's awesome! Gentoo isn't intended for beginners, and makes no claims about user friendliness of which I'm aware. Generally speaking, making things user friendly entails adding more layers of abstraction. And removing choice. Ubuntu is _great_ if you want to accomplish the same things in the same ways as the Ubuntu developers intended. If you want to do anything they didn't think of ahead of time (or if you just want to do it in a different manner), it's like trying to swim up a cliff. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! I'm using my X-RAY at VISION to obtain a rare gmail.comglimpse of the INNER WORKINGS of this POTATO!!
[gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On 2011-12-06, ny6...@gmail.com ny6...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 11:15:31AM +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 05:54:22 -0500, LinuxIsOne wrote: But I don't know why the creators of Gentoo made it so difficult for beginners! Because Gentoo is not for beginners, there are already plenty of distros, like Mandriva and Ubuntu, catering for first time users. Gentoo is a power users distro. And yet the documentation is clear enough for anyone to follow along. Which leads me to my next point: the Gentoo documentation is far and away the best of any distro I have tried. Definitely. The Ubuntu documentation seems to be mainly user-forum threads full of wrong answers posted by people who didn't understand the question. Whoever writes these docs deserves a heap of accolades for his efforts. The Gentoo docs are indeed brilliant. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Here I am in the at POSTERIOR OLFACTORY LOBULE gmail.combut I don't see CARL SAGAN anywhere!!
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Wed, Dec 07, 2011 at 12:40:01AM +0100, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2011-12-06, ny6...@gmail.com ny6...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 11:15:31AM +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 05:54:22 -0500, LinuxIsOne wrote: But I don't know why the creators of Gentoo made it so difficult for beginners! Because Gentoo is not for beginners, there are already plenty of distros, like Mandriva and Ubuntu, catering for first time users. Gentoo is a power users distro. And yet the documentation is clear enough for anyone to follow along. Which leads me to my next point: the Gentoo documentation is far and away the best of any distro I have tried. Definitely. The Ubuntu documentation seems to be mainly user-forum threads full of wrong answers posted by people who didn't understand the question. Whoever writes these docs deserves a heap of accolades for his efforts. The Gentoo docs are indeed brilliant. They really are. When you have great documentaion, a shell, and a keyboard that *is* user-friendly! ;)! -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
Re: [gentoo-user] clamav and spamassassin
On Dec 7, 2011 2:22 AM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote: On 12/06/11 11:32, Grant wrote: Got it. Your explanations are positively lucid. I added this to /etc/postifx/main.cf: postscreen_greet_action = enforce postscreen_pipelining_enable = yes postscreen_pipelining_action = enforce postscreen_non_smtp_command_enable = yes postscreen_non_smtp_command_action = enforce postscreen_bare_newline_enable = yes postscreen_bare_newline_action = enforce and I commented this and restarted postfix: #check_policy_service inet:127.0.0.1:10030 Should this effectively disable postgrey and enable postscreen? That will disable postgrey, but isn't enough to enable postscreen. There are a couple of daemons you have to enable in master.cf (steps 2 through 6): http://www.postfix.org/POSTSCREEN_README.html#enable That README refers to lines that are commented-out in master.cf; of course, if you've upgraded from an earlier of postfix, you won't have them. What I did was to untar the latest postfix release under my home directory, and find the master.cf that ships with it. Then, I copy/pasted the lines mentioned in the README over to my real master.cf. After a restart, you should see lines like this in your mail log: Dec 6 03:13:46 mx1 postfix/postscreen[2810]: CONNECT from ... that let you know its' working. Thanks for bringing up postscreen and the rest of your responses to Grant in this thread, I wasn't aware of it either. None of the HOWTOs I read ever mentioned it. :) I'm going to give it a try and see how it goes. Indeed. They are also unclear on how to configure SASL (but that's a different story). Luckily, I'm building my mailfiltering gateway from scratch, and have been logging everything I do. When everything's finished and the mfgw works well, I'll distill my log into yet-another-wiki-article. Rgds,
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: no sound on upgraded Firefox from 7 to 8 - using pulse audio
The idea behind pulseaudio is live switching of streams. ALSA is great if you have only one audio card, but as soon as you introduce a bluetooth headset, a headphone, a HDMI display with sound output, ALSA can't handle real time stream redirection. Sure, you can use scripts to toggle .asoundrc profiles, but even then you'll need to restart the softwares that produce audio. Here I have a HDMI display (an hdtv) and a headphone. I mostly send my audio to my tv, but if I'm using the computer late at night, or if I'm to listen to high volume music, I'd switch the affecting streams to my headphone, without the need to mess with sound configuration files and to restart my sound engine. PulseAudio is to audio what X.org is to video: stream mixing software.
Re: [gentoo-user] clamav and spamassassin
That will disable postgrey, but isn't enough to enable postscreen. There are a couple of daemons you have to enable in master.cf (steps 2 through 6): http://www.postfix.org/POSTSCREEN_README.html#enable That README refers to lines that are commented-out in master.cf; of course, if you've upgraded from an earlier of postfix, you won't have them. Don't you let etc-update add them for you? What I did was to untar the latest postfix release under my home directory, and find the master.cf that ships with it. Then, I copy/pasted the lines mentioned in the README over to my real master.cf. After a restart, you should see lines like this in your mail log: Dec 6 03:13:46 mx1 postfix/postscreen[2810]: CONNECT from ... that let you know its' working. Working now, thanks a lot. I should only need the tlsproxy line if my users connect to port 25 to send mail, correct? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] clamav and spamassassin
SMTPS is deprecated. You probably don't need it at all, unless you do. Some older (Microsoft...) clients can't use anything else for encryption. These days, the proper way to secure your users' connections is with TLS on the submission port, 587. You should also have a commented-out 'submission' line in your master.cf; that's what it's for. The idea is that you can force encryption on port 587, and have your users connect there instead of port 25. Then, the only restriction you need for those connections is that the username/password be correct. The rest of the mail comes in on port 25, unencrypted, as usual, and is subjected to your anti-spam checks. If you're using either SMTPS or the submission service, you don't need to change them. Your users will continue to connect to port 465 (smtps) or 587 (submission), bypassing postscreen entirely. If you're not using the submission service, i.e. both external and user-submitted mail come in on port 25, then you'll probably want to exempt your users from the postscreen restrictions: http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#postscreen_access_list but you should really be using the submission port! Aye aye. Should I make the change like this: #smtps inet n - n - - smtpd # -o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes submission inet n - n - - smtpd -o smtpd_tls_security_level=encrypt # -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes # -o smtpd_client_restrictions=permit_sasl_authenticated,reject # -o milter_macro_daemon_name=ORIGINATING And then switch my clients from port 465 to 587? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] clamav and spamassassin
On Dec 7, 2011 8:01 AM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: That will disable postgrey, but isn't enough to enable postscreen. There are a couple of daemons you have to enable in master.cf (steps 2 through 6): http://www.postfix.org/POSTSCREEN_README.html#enable That README refers to lines that are commented-out in master.cf; of course, if you've upgraded from an earlier of postfix, you won't have them. Don't you let etc-update add them for you? What I did was to untar the latest postfix release under my home directory, and find the master.cf that ships with it. Then, I copy/pasted the lines mentioned in the README over to my real master.cf. After a restart, you should see lines like this in your mail log: Dec 6 03:13:46 mx1 postfix/postscreen[2810]: CONNECT from ... that let you know its' working. Working now, thanks a lot. I should only need the tlsproxy line if my users connect to port 25 to send mail, correct? I've perused the relevant documentation, and to my knowledge you need to enable tlsproxy if you want to use TLS, be it through port 25 or 587. Don't forget to test it using openssl s_client. Rgds,
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 11:23:22PM +, Grant Edwards wrote: I don't know why the creators of Gentoo made it so difficult for beginners! It is typical then Whaddayatawkinbout, gentoo is more than great, it's awesome! Gentoo isn't intended for beginners, and makes no claims about user friendliness of which I'm aware. Generally speaking, making things user friendly entails adding more layers of abstraction. And removing choice. Ubuntu is _great_ if you want to accomplish the same things in the same ways as the Ubuntu developers intended. If you want to do anything they didn't think of ahead of time (or if you just want to do it in a different manner), it's like trying to swim up a cliff. That’s why you have a different Ubuntu distribution for every single medium and major desktops. *SCNR* -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' I forbid any use of my email addresses with Facebook services. In order for more and more people having to do even less, less and less people have to do even more. pgpnP11EUicE8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: no sound on upgraded Firefox from 7 to 8 - using pulse audio
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:00 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/04/2011 01:41 PM, Francisco Ares wrote: Hi, I have just upgraded Firefox from 7 to 8 and after that I was unable to hear the sound of videoclips from YouTube, for instance. I remember there was a little trick to make past versions of FF to work with pulse audio (that I use so VirtualBox machines can also play sounds), but can't find what it was. Hi Francisco. I can't answer your Firefox question, sorry, but may I ask you a question about pulseaudio instead? There are several of us old atavistic grumps (you know who you are, Alan) who can't see any use for pulseaudio and therefore disable it with useflags and any other way we can. For example, I use vbox all the time and have no problem getting sound from my vbox guests, or from firefox or any other application. Sound just works without pulseaudio -- so why do I need it? Sadly, gnome3 has made pulseaudio mandatory if I want to use the volume control applet on gnome-panel (and I do) so I now have the pulseaudio daemon running in the background, but all of my apps are built without the pulseaudio useflag and all produce good sound even when I kill the pulseaudio daemon manually. I still don't get the whole idea behind pulseaudio. Hi, How do you manage to get VirtualBox sounds without pulseaudio? That's the only point that keeps me from removing it. Oops! When did VBox start to use ALSA? Let me try... Thank you all! Francisco
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge ignoring -v switch
On Sunday 04 Dec 2011 20:49:55 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 4 Dec 2011 15:18:40 +, Mick wrote: But then if there were say 5 ebuilds running in parallel and all their output printed in the same terminal, it would be almightily difficult to untangle the spaghetti that may show up in an error? Which is why setting -j 1 sets wh Did you mean to finish this message later on, or does wh mean something? o_O -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
