[gentoo-user] A couple questions related to fbsplash

2012-05-30 Thread Paul Hartman
In all my years of Gentoo I've never set up fbsplash and fbcondecor,
so I finally did so on my old laptop. It all worked, pretty easy to
set up -- however, there are 2 things I have questions about:

1) I see much of OpenRC's colorful output before the fbsplash kicks
in. Is there any trick to prevent that stuff from showing and/or
making the splash screen show up earlier?

2) With the fbsplash enabled, xdm (slim) starts in the background. I
have to alt-7 to see the graphical login screen. xdm starts at default
runlevel. With splash disabled, xdm (slim) starts in the foreground.
Why is that?

I'm using radeon/kms and gentoo-sources-3.4.0 with the livedvd-12.0 theme.

Thanks,
Paul



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xfce4 4.10 xsane and Application -- Run Program not working

2012-05-30 Thread Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
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On 30.05.2012 04:37, Joseph wrote:
 On 05/29/12 19:23, walt wrote:
 On 05/29/2012 06:23 PM, Joseph wrote:
 
 2.) Application -- Run Program a windows pups up.  When I
 type: nano 1.txt
 
 Nothing happens.
 
 Please be more specific about 'nothing'.  Does nano just close 
 immediately with no error message?  Does it hang forever until
 you hit ^C, or what?
 
 What do you see if you type 'which nano'?  What about 'echo
 $PATH'?
 
 which nano gives me: /usr/bin/nano
 
 I can run nano from command line but when type nano + file name in
 Run Program it should open that file but it doesn't, no windows
 pops up.
 

Since I haven't installed XFCE it's a bit of guesswork: have you tried
xterm nano?
That works for me (I'm using gnome, though). You could also try to run
a program with a gui (like firefox).
I don't think that it ever worked for me to enter a shell command and
actually see the result in a window.

WKR
Hinnerk
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Re: [gentoo-user] gnome3 weather applet

2012-05-30 Thread David Abbott
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 1:56 AM, Bill Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 I am one of those poor saps who decided to try gnome3 and its not
 pleasant at all ... its an even worse hit on productivity than early
 gnome2 over 1.4 was :(

 Apparently 3.2 has a weather app available, but I cant find it or how to
 turn it on or add it to the desktop or panel.  Can someone enlighten
 me on how this works for gentoo? - I have libgweather installed which is
 what I need, right?  I cant see any other relevant packages.

 Billk




Hi Bill,
I use this weather extension [1]
More extensions here [2]

[1] https://github.com/simon04/gnome-shell-extension-weather
[2] https://extensions.gnome.org

HTH,
David



Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} hire a programmer or company?

2012-05-30 Thread Grant
 Regarding proposals, schedules, roadmaps, milestones  I've got a
 list of a million changes to make to my website's front-end and
 back-end.  There is a very specific way I want things to work, so
 everything is broken down to a granular task level.  In the old days
 I would just dig in and start grinding away on things, but I'm ready
 to pass that duty on to a real programmer and I can't imagine that
 it's productive to have him submit a proposal, set up a schedule,
 generate a roadmap, and create milestones for every little thing that
 needs to be done.  Can I hire one guy and give him one task at a time
 and see how it goes without any of that stuff?

 That will only work if you show him the big picture first so he sees
 where the bits fit in. By all means contract him to focus on one aspect
 at a time, but please don't disguise the overall view. It's
 counter-productive and he's not doing something he has already done
 many times before so he really needs to be able to see how the bit he's
 working on fits into everything else.

In the past I did plan to disguise the overall view, but I've gotten
over that thanks to folks like yourself.

 We've discussed this project of yours more than once here over the
 years, and each time the same thing gets raised - you are unwilling to
 show a programmer the whole picture. Does this mean the handover
 efforts have all failed before?

Previous handover efforts have failed, and precisely for that reason.
I didn't bring up obscuring the big picture this time, but re-reading
my top paragraph in this message I can see that it sounds like that's
what I'm getting at.  It's not at all.  I'm just trying to preload
some management knowledge and fit it into my context (which does not
include obscuring the big picture from developers).

- Grant



Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} hire a programmer or company?

2012-05-30 Thread Grant
  You can get away with almost anything except these two things:
 
  Do not micro-manage
  Do not tell them how to do what they do

 Could you give me an example of this last one?

 - I see you are using Perl with hashrefs to do function xyz. Have you
 considered (i.e. I would like you to) using $INSERT_SOMETHING_HERE?

So if I see a way that their coding could be improved (faster
execution, greater legibility, etc) I just keep quiet about it?

 - Wanting to personally review the code often. I've seen some managers
  want to do this daily.

How often should I read their code?  I was planning on reading it a lot.

- Grant



Re: [gentoo-user] what's wrong with pulseaudio?

2012-05-30 Thread Easior
 CPV == Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com writes:

CPV On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Easior eas...@tom.com wrote:
  Hi, all!
 
  I found that there were some strange files or directories under root
CPV directory. Let's
  see what happened?
 
  $ ls -a
  .    boot  home        media  opt     .pulse-cookie  sbin  usr
  ..   dev   lib         mnt    proc    root           sys   var
  bin  etc   lost+found  null   .pulse  run            tmp
 
  As to my experience, .pulse and .pulse-cookie should be in the $HOME
CPV directory. How to
  resovle this problem?

CPV Delete them. Look at the date, they probably got created a long time
CPV ago under weird circumstances (perhaps booting using a livecd), and
CPV they remained there.

CPV Just delete them.

CPV Regards.
CPV -- 
CPV Canek Peláez Valdés
CPV Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
CPV Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Thanks.

I have tried to delete them. However, It didn't take any effect.
They will apear again in that place every time the Gentoo is booted.
As a fact, let's see:

# ls -al .pulse*
-rw--- 1 root root  256 May 27 20:53 .pulse-cookie

.pulse:
total 8
drwx--  2 root root 4096 May 30 15:59 .
drwxr-xr-x 21 root root 4096 May 27 20:53 ..
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root   23 May 30 15:59 
ceba4124b7a0c408493ce5bb001e-runtime -
/tmp/pulse-PKdhtXMmr18n

what happened?


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[gentoo-user] Re: A couple questions related to fbsplash

2012-05-30 Thread Nikos Chantziaras

On 30/05/12 09:42, Paul Hartman wrote:

In all my years of Gentoo I've never set up fbsplash and fbcondecor,
so I finally did so on my old laptop. It all worked, pretty easy to
set up -- however, there are 2 things I have questions about:

1) I see much of OpenRC's colorful output before the fbsplash kicks
in. Is there any trick to prevent that stuff from showing and/or
making the splash screen show up earlier?


Yes.  Compile the KMS driver in-kernel rather than as a module.



2) With the fbsplash enabled, xdm (slim) starts in the background. I
have to alt-7 to see the graphical login screen. xdm starts at default
runlevel. With splash disabled, xdm (slim) starts in the foreground.
Why is that?


Sounds like a bug.  I use KDM and it switches to console 7 automatically.




Re: [gentoo-user] xfce4 4.10 xsane and Application -- Run Program not working

2012-05-30 Thread Joseph

On 05/30/12 07:43, Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote:
[snip]

when I run it as user: scanimage -L

No scanners were identified. If you were expecting something
different, check that the scanner is plugged in, turned on and
detected by the sane-find-scanner tool (if appropriate). Please
read the documentation which came with this software (README, FAQ,
manpages).

Any pointers why it can not detect scanner as user?



Is your user in the scanner group?



You are correct, the user wasn't in a scanner group :-/

--
Joseph



[gentoo-user] Re: {OT} hire a programmer or company?

2012-05-30 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 30/05/12, Grant wrote:

 So if I see a way that their coding could be improved (faster
 execution, greater legibility, etc) I just keep quiet about it?

Improvements is only one aspect of where to focus the efforts.

 How often should I read their code?  I was planning on reading it a lot.

In small teams, these tasks (including making releases) are usually done
by the software maintainer.  To know what to do, you should be clear
about who will be in charge of releasing the software. A SVC is
*required* and the tool choice should be a team choice.

Once done and roles assigned, it will be really easy for you to know
what you can/should do or not. Anybody can act/interact as different
role as long as the role is well defined (e.g. while reviewing code, you
do reviewing code /only/ and might discuss the design choices but the
final technical decision must stay in the hands of the software
maintainer).

FMPOV the key role is the maintainer. The job requires both good
technical knowlegde and a large project view.

-- 
Nicolas Sebrecht



[gentoo-user] Re: gnome3 weather applet

2012-05-30 Thread walt
On 05/29/2012 10:56 PM, Bill Kenworthy wrote:
 I am one of those poor saps who decided to try gnome3 and its not
 pleasant at all ... its an even worse hit on productivity than early
 gnome2 over 1.4 was :(

I find gnome3 to be not very different from gnome2 *if* I run it in
fallback mode.  Try it: System Settings::System Info::Graphics::
Forced Fallback Mode::On

So far I find gnome-shell to be pointless, but I'll try it every few
months to see if I change my mind.  (Normally my wife changes my mind
for me, but she's not interested in linux so she doesn't care.)






Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xfce4 4.10 xsane and Application -- Run Program not working

2012-05-30 Thread Joseph

On 05/30/12 08:59, Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote:

On 30.05.2012 04:37, Joseph wrote:

On 05/29/12 19:23, walt wrote:

On 05/29/2012 06:23 PM, Joseph wrote:


2.) Application -- Run Program a windows pups up.  When I
type: nano 1.txt

Nothing happens.


Please be more specific about 'nothing'.  Does nano just close 
immediately with no error message?  Does it hang forever until

you hit ^C, or what?

What do you see if you type 'which nano'?  What about 'echo
$PATH'?


which nano gives me: /usr/bin/nano

I can run nano from command line but when type nano + file name in
Run Program it should open that file but it doesn't, no windows
pops up.



Since I haven't installed XFCE it's a bit of guesswork: have you tried
xterm nano?
That works for me (I'm using gnome, though). You could also try to run
a program with a gui (like firefox).
I don't think that it ever worked for me to enter a shell command and
actually see the result in a window.

WKR
Hinnerk


No, xterm nano doesn't work either. 



--
Joseph



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xfce4 4.10 xsane and Application -- Run Program not working

2012-05-30 Thread kwkhui
On Wed, 30 May 2012 07:12:23 -0600
Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 No, xterm nano doesn't work either. 
 
 

More information than doesn't work either please.  For example:

Does xterm alone (or whatever terminal you use) start?
Does nano start in tty?
Does your Xsession error log record anything when 'xterm nano doesn't
work'?

Kerwin.


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Re: [gentoo-user] what's wrong with pulseaudio?

2012-05-30 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 4:35 AM, Easior eas...@tom.com wrote:
 CPV == Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com writes:

    CPV On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Easior eas...@tom.com wrote:
      Hi, all!
    
      I found that there were some strange files or directories under root
    CPV directory. Let's
      see what happened?
    
      $ ls -a
      .    boot  home        media  opt     .pulse-cookie  sbin  usr
      ..   dev   lib         mnt    proc    root           sys   var
      bin  etc   lost+found  null   .pulse  run            tmp
    
      As to my experience, .pulse and .pulse-cookie should be in the $HOME
    CPV directory. How to
      resovle this problem?

    CPV Delete them. Look at the date, they probably got created a long time
    CPV ago under weird circumstances (perhaps booting using a livecd), and
    CPV they remained there.

    CPV Just delete them.

    CPV Regards.
    CPV --
    CPV Canek Peláez Valdés
    CPV Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
    CPV Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

 Thanks.

 I have tried to delete them. However, It didn't take any effect.
 They will apear again in that place every time the Gentoo is booted.
 As a fact, let's see:

 # ls -al .pulse*
 -rw--- 1 root root  256 May 27 20:53 .pulse-cookie

 .pulse:
 total 8
 drwx--  2 root root 4096 May 30 15:59 .
 drwxr-xr-x 21 root root 4096 May 27 20:53 ..
 lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root   23 May 30 15:59 
 ceba4124b7a0c408493ce5bb001e-runtime -
 /tmp/pulse-PKdhtXMmr18n

 what happened?

I don't know. What desktop do you use? Do you run it as root? What
version of PulseAudio do you have installed? Do you have
/etc/init.d/pulseaudio in any of your runlevels?

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México



Re: [gentoo-user] revdep-rebuild (gawk) issues

2012-05-30 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 29.05.2012 23:37, schrieb Rafa Griman:
 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 On Tue, 29 May 2012 22:56:07 +0200
 Rafa Griman rafagri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Vaeth :)

 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Vaeth
 va...@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de wrote:
 On Tue, 29 May 2012, Rafa Griman wrote:

 gawk: cmd. line:3: error: Unmatched [ or [^: /[^[:space:]]/


 Your gawk is broken. This happens if you emerged gawk with
 current gcc and aggressive FLAGS like -DNDEBUG or -flto.
 Not sure whether it is a bug of gawk or gcc.


 So it seems to be the CFLAGS :( As I said in my previous e-mail, I was
 experimenting a bit with them ... I'll be more conservative ;)

 Well, on the one hand the flags don;t seem to be too bad overall, but
 on the other hand there's the golden rule of Gentoo:

 Don't stuff around with CFLAGS

 Why not? Well, there's the ricer phenomenon where changed CFLAGS
 worsen performance and stability but the user's own bias convinces
 him/her that it's actually vastly improved.
 
 
 I know that rule and tried not to be too agressive but seems I was O:)
 Since it's not my min machine, I was going to experiment (nothing
 scientific, just curiosity) trying different options on different
 partitions and see how they work out.
 

Out of curiosity: What flags do you run now? Do you know which flag
exactly caused the problem? They didn't seem too experimental though
-fno-inline looked odd.

Regards,
Florian Philipp



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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xfce4 4.10 xsane and Application -- Run Program not working

2012-05-30 Thread Joseph

On 05/30/12 23:16, kwk...@hkbn.net wrote:

On Wed, 30 May 2012 07:12:23 -0600
Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote:



No, xterm nano doesn't work either.




More information than doesn't work either please.  For example:

Does xterm alone (or whatever terminal you use) start?
Does nano start in tty?
Does your Xsession error log record anything when 'xterm nano doesn't
work'?

Kerwin.


No, xterm nano doesn't work but !nano does.

--
Joseph



Re: [gentoo-user] revdep-rebuild (gawk) issues

2012-05-30 Thread Rafa Griman
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote:
 Am 29.05.2012 23:37, schrieb Rafa Griman:
 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 On Tue, 29 May 2012 22:56:07 +0200
 Rafa Griman rafagri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Vaeth :)

 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Vaeth
 va...@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de wrote:
 On Tue, 29 May 2012, Rafa Griman wrote:

 gawk: cmd. line:3: error: Unmatched [ or [^: /[^[:space:]]/


 Your gawk is broken. This happens if you emerged gawk with
 current gcc and aggressive FLAGS like -DNDEBUG or -flto.
 Not sure whether it is a bug of gawk or gcc.


 So it seems to be the CFLAGS :( As I said in my previous e-mail, I was
 experimenting a bit with them ... I'll be more conservative ;)

 Well, on the one hand the flags don;t seem to be too bad overall, but
 on the other hand there's the golden rule of Gentoo:

 Don't stuff around with CFLAGS

 Why not? Well, there's the ricer phenomenon where changed CFLAGS
 worsen performance and stability but the user's own bias convinces
 him/her that it's actually vastly improved.


 I know that rule and tried not to be too agressive but seems I was O:)
 Since it's not my min machine, I was going to experiment (nothing
 scientific, just curiosity) trying different options on different
 partitions and see how they work out.


 Out of curiosity: What flags do you run now? Do you know which flag
 exactly caused the problem? They didn't seem too experimental though
 -fno-inline looked odd.


That one's it: -fno-inline. Removed it and now the error disappears.
revdep-rebuild runs well now.

Thanks all !!!

   Rafa



Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} hire a programmer or company?

2012-05-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 30 May 2012 02:11:54 -0700
Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote:

   You can get away with almost anything except these two things:
  
   Do not micro-manage
   Do not tell them how to do what they do
 
  Could you give me an example of this last one?
 
  - I see you are using Perl with hashrefs to do function xyz. Have
  you considered (i.e. I would like you to) using
  $INSERT_SOMETHING_HERE?
 
 So if I see a way that their coding could be improved (faster
 execution, greater legibility, etc) I just keep quiet about it?
 
  - Wanting to personally review the code often. I've seen some
  managers want to do this daily.
 
 How often should I read their code?  I was planning on reading it a
 lot.


Perhaps I was too literal. Those examples should be read in the context
of obsessively fiddling with someone else's work. Alternatively, doing
those examples and not producing anything worthwhile from doing it.

Code reviews and suggestions are valuable, but there's a time and a
place and a forum for them. All productive teams eventually reserve a
time slot for review and demos of running code. You and the entire team
can and should discuss optimizations then.

Let me put it another way - you likely don't like it if someone else
fiddles with your work while you are trying to do it, or gives
helpful suggestions while you are trying to concentrate. All I'm
saying is to avoid doing that to others. Good old common sense will
tell you when this is happening - you already know how to do it, no
need to analyze the thing any further than that

-- 
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com




Re: [gentoo-user] what's wrong with pulseaudio?

2012-05-30 Thread Easior
 CPV == Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com writes:

CPV On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 4:35 AM, Easior eas...@tom.com wrote:
  CPV == Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com writes:
 
     CPV On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Easior eas...@tom.com
CPV wrote:
       Hi, all!
     
       I found that there were some strange files or directories
CPV under root
     CPV directory. Let's
       see what happened?
     
       $ ls -a
       .    boot  home        media  opt     .pulse-cookie  sbin
CPV  usr
       ..   dev   lib         mnt    proc    root           sys  
CPV var
       bin  etc   lost+found  null   .pulse  run            tmp
     
       As to my experience, .pulse and .pulse-cookie should be in
CPV the $HOME
     CPV directory. How to
       resovle this problem?
 
     CPV Delete them. Look at the date, they probably got created a
CPV long time
     CPV ago under weird circumstances (perhaps booting using a
CPV livecd), and
     CPV they remained there.
 
     CPV Just delete them.
 
     CPV Regards.
     CPV --
     CPV Canek Peláez Valdés
     CPV Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
     CPV Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
 
  Thanks.
 
  I have tried to delete them. However, It didn't take any effect.
  They will apear again in that place every time the Gentoo is booted.
  As a fact, let's see:
 
  # ls -al .pulse*
  -rw--- 1 root root  256 May 27 20:53 .pulse-cookie
 
  .pulse:
  total 8
  drwx--  2 root root 4096 May 30 15:59 .
  drwxr-xr-x 21 root root 4096 May 27 20:53 ..
  lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root   23 May 30 15:59
CPV ceba4124b7a0c408493ce5bb001e-runtime -
  /tmp/pulse-PKdhtXMmr18n
 
  what happened?

CPV I don't know. What desktop do you use? Do you run it as root? What
CPV version of PulseAudio do you have installed? Do you have
CPV /etc/init.d/pulseaudio in any of your runlevels?

I use Gnome 3 as my DE and also run it as normal user. I use PulseAudio 2.0:

$ eix media-sound/pulseaudio
[I] media-sound/pulseaudio
 Available versions:  0.9.22 0.9.22-r2 (~)0.9.23-r1 (~)1.1 1.1-r1 (~)2.0 
** {{+X +alsa +asyncns avahi bluetooth +caps dbus doc equalizer +gdbm +glib 
gnome ipv6 jack libsamplerate lirc +orc oss realtime ssl system-wide tcpd test 
+udev +webrtc-aec}}
 Installed versions:  2.0(06:44:00 AM 05/27/2012)(X alsa asyncns caps dbus 
gdbm glib gnome lirc orc ssl tcpd udev webrtc-aec -avahi -bluetooth -doc 
-equalizer -ipv6 -jack -libsamplerate -oss -realtime -system-wide -test)
 Homepage:http://www.pulseaudio.org/
 Description: A networked sound server with an advanced plugin 
system

And pulseaudio is not in the runleves, even not in /etc/init.d.

Maybe, the pulseaudio is misconfigured. But I couldn't find any useful 
information on
how to generate the run-time file /.pulse in the configuration directory 
/etc/pulse.
Do you know how to generate them?

CPV Regards.
CPV -- 
CPV Canek Peláez Valdés
CPV Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
CPV Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Best wishes,

Easior

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gnome3 weather applet

2012-05-30 Thread Alecks Gates
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 7:57 AM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 05/29/2012 10:56 PM, Bill Kenworthy wrote:
 I am one of those poor saps who decided to try gnome3 and its not
 pleasant at all ... its an even worse hit on productivity than early
 gnome2 over 1.4 was :(

 I find gnome3 to be not very different from gnome2 *if* I run it in
 fallback mode.  Try it: System Settings::System Info::Graphics::
 Forced Fallback Mode::On

 So far I find gnome-shell to be pointless, but I'll try it every few
 months to see if I change my mind.  (Normally my wife changes my mind
 for me, but she's not interested in linux so she doesn't care.)


I find the grouped windows of the same application to be quite
convenient and efficient, been using gnome-shell for months now and
love it.  Was forced to learn all the keyboard shortcuts and I'm much
more productive.  Alt-tab for switching between applications and Alt-`
for switching between the same application, very nice.

Just in case someone here hasn't yet come across it, here's the Gnome
3 cheat sheet (quite useful):
https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/CheatSheet

Plus the extensions are great and also simple to use.  I didn't
install a single extension until yesterday, and I was really surprised
at how easy it was and how useful some of them are.  Here's a short
list of what I found useful:
Remove Accessibility - Removes the accessibility icon from the upper right
Calculator - Allows you to do simple calculations from within the
shell, just press the super key and start typing
Notifications Alert - Makes notifications more apparent in case you miss one
Media player indicator - Sort of like Ubuntu's Unity music indicator
Advanced Volume Mixer - Lists all the app's sound levels right in
the drop-down mixer
Panel Settings - Some settings to change the panel visibility and location

Yes, normally I would prefer a lot of these features to be included in
the desktop environment.  But they made them so easy to install and
try, I was really surprised and impressed.  It's as if they want the
weird simplicity so everyone can customize it with extensions, which
is a nice approach to it, in my opinion.  I've always disliked the
bloat and complexity of KDE's built-in settings, etc.  But I don't
mean to start a flame war, that's just my taste and opinion.



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A couple questions related to fbsplash

2012-05-30 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 4:45 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 30/05/12 09:42, Paul Hartman wrote:

 In all my years of Gentoo I've never set up fbsplash and fbcondecor,
 so I finally did so on my old laptop. It all worked, pretty easy to
 set up -- however, there are 2 things I have questions about:

 1) I see much of OpenRC's colorful output before the fbsplash kicks
 in. Is there any trick to prevent that stuff from showing and/or
 making the splash screen show up earlier?


 Yes.  Compile the KMS driver in-kernel rather than as a module.

Thanks, that fixed it. I saw my OpenRC through Waiting for uevents to
be processed before, so that makes perfect sense now. Radeon starts
in dmesg at 0.3 seconds instead of 2.8 seconds. :)

I see Tux for a microsecond, then the splash screen appears and
flashes black three times before stabilizing. I don't think it is the
display changing modes (the backlight stays on), it just looks like
it's switching between blank screen and back to showing the graphics.
It happens at the very beginning of the splash, before root is
remounted and the progress bar is moving. I'm using dracut's gensplash
module to generate the initrd, maybe it's doing something funny.

 2) With the fbsplash enabled, xdm (slim) starts in the background. I
 have to alt-7 to see the graphical login screen. xdm starts at default
 runlevel. With splash disabled, xdm (slim) starts in the foreground.
 Why is that?


 Sounds like a bug.  I use KDM and it switches to console 7 automatically.

I just tried plain xdm as well as slim and both wind up in the
background when splash is enabled. Weird.

What specifically happens is: I see the graphical login screen for a
split second, then it changes back to tty1, I briefly see the last
parts of OpenRC finishing and then the console login prompt. alt-7
will take me back to the graphical login screen and it works normally
once I'm there.

I will keep hunting.