Re: [gentoo-user] broadcom-sta and the 3.6.x kernel
On 12/3/2012 19:22, Allan Gottlieb wrote: I believe several on this list use -sta and know many are running 3.6.x. What do you do? I should add that at present running 3.5.x is not a hardship for me. I have broadcom-sta working on my notebook with kernel-3.6, using the patches in #437898. For convenience, you can find them all in my overlay (layman -a dustin). I am actually having better luck with kernel-3.6 than I did with 3.5 because of several problems in the wl driver with regard to cfg80211. Notably, in 3.5 with cfg80211, dmesg was filled with cannot get rssi messages, several per minute. That's gone now and wpa_supplicant correctly reports receive signal strength. -- ♫Dustin
Re: [gentoo-user] Old ATI Radeon RV350 driver broken after system update
On 2012-11-30 18:47, Mick wrote: On Friday 30 Nov 2012 09:01:35 Peter Weilbacher wrote: I have the same problem and this solution sucks. :-( Before this update I had such a nice console setup with framebuffer splash, a nice small font, and a Gentoo decoration around it. Really sad to see that go. KMS should provide framebuffer now, so have you set KMS and firmware correctly? I just didn't realize that this is the case, so maybe my setup is wrong. I'll study the documentation again. Cheers, Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] Old ATI Radeon RV350 driver broken after system update
2012/12/4 Peter Weilbacher newss...@weilbacher.org On 2012-11-30 18:47, Mick wrote: On Friday 30 Nov 2012 09:01:35 Peter Weilbacher wrote: I have the same problem and this solution sucks. :-( Before this update I had such a nice console setup with framebuffer splash, a nice small font, and a Gentoo decoration around it. Really sad to see that go. KMS should provide framebuffer now, so have you set KMS and firmware correctly? I just didn't realize that this is the case, so maybe my setup is wrong. I'll study the documentation again. Cheers, Peter. Don't forget to disable all the drivers in Support for frame buffer devices of your kernel configuration. Regards, -- Jacques
Re: [gentoo-user] broadcom-sta and the 3.6.x kernel
Am 04.12.2012 09:13, schrieb Dustin C. Hatch: On 12/3/2012 19:22, Allan Gottlieb wrote: I believe several on this list use -sta and know many are running 3.6.x. What do you do? I should add that at present running 3.5.x is not a hardship for me. I have broadcom-sta working on my notebook with kernel-3.6, using the patches in #437898. For convenience, you can find them all in my overlay (layman -a dustin). I am actually having better luck with kernel-3.6 than I did with 3.5 because of several problems in the wl driver with regard to cfg80211. Notably, in 3.5 with cfg80211, dmesg was filled with cannot get rssi messages, several per minute. That's gone now and wpa_supplicant correctly reports receive signal strength. Do you actually need broadcom-sta anymore? With the recent kernel updates more chips work with the in-kernel driver (brcmsmac). But the config option is well hidden (you need to enable BCMA to even see it). Regards, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] broadcom-sta and the 3.6.x kernel
On 12/4/2012 06:11, Florian Philipp wrote: Do you actually need broadcom-sta anymore? With the recent kernel updates more chips work with the in-kernel driver (brcmsmac). But the config option is well hidden (you need to enable BCMA to even see it). Yes, I initially tried the b43 driver, which worked, but consistently dropped about 5-15% of packets, making it mostly unusable. I also tried bcrmsmac and bcrmfmac, and neither of them supported my card (432b). Unfortunately, I can't get a different card, either, because I my notebook has a whitelist of supported devices in the BIOS, and it won't even boot with a mini-pci-e card installed that isn't in that list. Thanks, HP :( Regards, -- ♫Dustin
[gentoo-user] OT: first water cooled system
Hello, My first water cooled AMD (FX8350) system build, my first Gigabyte mobo, so I have questions. Equipment Cooler: Thermaltake Water 2.0 Performer Chasis: Thermaltake Level 10 GTS V03000 Mobo: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 CPU: AMD FX8350 Ok, so the chasis came with a rear fan that is the same size as the (2) fans supplied in the water cooler package. Can I just use the original fan and one of the new fans? Sequence of Construction: Mount mobo in chasis first. Install CPU into mobo. Mount radiator and second fan to the original rear chassis fan. Then use the supplier grease on the cooler to mate the pump to the cpu (bracket details followed). Other steps or order of installation tips? I did purchase a syringe of fancy thermal grease (Arctic Silver 5). Should I wipe the pump clean and use this grease instead of what the kit shipped with? OS Installation. OK so now I'd have the system completed. Since cooling is critical, I guess I first power up go into the bios and setup the specs (4.0 GHZ with no over-clocking for now) and monitor the temperature to ensure the pump/cooler are working? Just being cautious as to not end up with burnt toast; so any and all words of advise are welcome. tentatively, James
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: first water cooled system
Am Dienstag, 4. Dezember 2012, 17:58:49 schrieb James: Hello, My first water cooled AMD (FX8350) system build, my first Gigabyte mobo, so I have questions. Equipment Cooler: Thermaltake Water 2.0 Performer Chasis: Thermaltake Level 10 GTS V03000 Mobo: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 CPU: AMD FX8350 Ok, so the chasis came with a rear fan that is the same size as the (2) fans supplied in the water cooler package. Can I just use the original fan and one of the new fans? yes. The fans in the package usually suck. Sequence of Construction: Mount mobo in chasis first. Install CPU into mobo. Mount radiator and second fan to the original rear chassis fan. Then use the supplier grease on the cooler to mate the pump to the cpu (bracket details followed). Other steps or order of installation tips? are you going to blow the air in or out? I did purchase a syringe of fancy thermal grease (Arctic Silver 5). Should I wipe the pump clean and use this grease instead of what the kit shipped with? you know - deep down, it does not matter. OS Installation. OK so now I'd have the system completed. Since cooling is critical, I guess I first power up go into the bios and setup the specs (4.0 GHZ with no over-clocking for now) and monitor the temperature to ensure the pump/cooler are working? Just being cautious as to not end up with burnt toast; so any and all words of advise are welcome. hint: have the pump always run at full power but use fancontrol to control the fans - a lot of these pumps become pretty loud when they slow down. Also, set fancontrol to start the fan at something like 40°C with 65°C max - and most of the time the fans won't even spin, reducing the noise even more. 40, 60, 70°C won't hurt your CPU at all. -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Old ATI Radeon RV350 driver broken after system update
On 2012-12-04 11:05, Jacques Montier wrote: 2012/12/4 Peter Weilbacher newss...@weilbacher.org On 2012-11-30 18:47, Mick wrote: KMS should provide framebuffer now, so have you set KMS and firmware correctly? I just didn't realize that this is the case, so maybe my setup is wrong. I'll study the documentation again. Don't forget to disable all the drivers in Support for frame buffer devices of your kernel configuration. Right, I did that now, and have the framebuffer splash back. X also starts but the whole system locks hard once gdm tries to paint the login area. Unfortunately, after rebooting the log doesn't give me any useful output. I have to fiddle around with the setup a bit to see what's wrong, maybe something's still missing. Cheers, Peter.
[gentoo-user] Re: OT: first water cooled system
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerarmin at googlemail.com writes: are you going to blow the air in or out? Out the rear. So the 2 fans sandwich the radiator and aim outward? Also, the cpu/cooler backing supplied by Gigabyte fits well with the top bracket supplied by the cooler kit, so I'm using that in lieu of the cheap plastic back supplied with the cooler (OK?) hint: have the pump always run at full power but use fancontrol to control the fans - a lot of these pumps become pretty loud when they slow down. Also, set fancontrol to start the fan at something like 40°C with 65°C max - and most of the time the fans won't even spin, reducing the noise even more. 40, 60, 70°C won't hurt your CPU at all. The mobo has (4) fan terminals :(1) 3 wire (sysfan2) (3) four wire sysfan1, CPUfan, pwrfan. This is a dual bios system. Do both fans that sandwich the radiator run at the same setting? The kit came with a Y so both can connected to the same 4 pin (Y) connector. The chassis fan has a 3 pin connector, but the slots do fit in the (Y) harness correctly. The (Y) is wired for all 4 pins. So will there be a separate BIOS setting (control) for the rear fan, different than the fan to the inside of the radiator? If so, what settings do I set each fan to? It seems I have plenty of fan power/control terminals, but the mobo install book gives no guidance as to which, where The chassis has a large fan (sysfan1 ?) for the drives, as well as the rear chassis fan(sysfan2 ?). Once I get Gentoo installed, what's the best software to monitor this cooler rig and set alarms? Auto shutoff if it overheats? (I run the system when I'm not around quite a bit)... I'd really like to know if one fan fails the other one is still working so guidance is appreciated, or just some discussion on how all of this should work. I'm presuming all of this is in the BIOS? James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: first water cooled system
Am Dienstag, 4. Dezember 2012, 19:55:30 schrieb James: Volker Armin Hemmann volkerarmin at googlemail.com writes: are you going to blow the air in or out? Out the rear. So the 2 fans sandwich the radiator and aim outward? Also, the cpu/cooler backing supplied by Gigabyte fits well with the top bracket supplied by the cooler kit, so I'm using that in lieu of the cheap plastic back supplied with the cooler (OK?) don't know - my cooler had a steel backplate and some screw-in mechanism... (not a boxed water cooler). hint: have the pump always run at full power but use fancontrol to control the fans - a lot of these pumps become pretty loud when they slow down. Also, set fancontrol to start the fan at something like 40°C with 65°C max - and most of the time the fans won't even spin, reducing the noise even more. 40, 60, 70°C won't hurt your CPU at all. The mobo has (4) fan terminals :(1) 3 wire (sysfan2) (3) four wire sysfan1, CPUfan, pwrfan. This is a dual bios system. so connect the pump to the 3 wire, the others to the four pwm connectors. Do both fans that sandwich the radiator run at the same setting? The kit came with a Y so both can connected to the same 4 pin (Y) connector. The chassis fan has a 3 pin connector, but the slots do fit in the (Y) harness correctly. The (Y) is wired for all 4 pins. So will there be a separate BIOS setting (control) for the rear fan, different than the fan to the inside of the radiator? If so, what settings do I set each fan to? really, get pwm (for pin) fans and connect them to the four pin connectors. It seems I have plenty of fan power/control terminals, but the mobo install book gives no guidance as to which, where The chassis has a large fan (sysfan1 ?) for the drives, as well as the rear chassis fan(sysfan2 ?). doesn't matter at all. Because you won't use the bios to drive the dans. Once I get Gentoo installed, what's the best software to monitor this cooler rig and set alarms? Auto shutoff if it overheats? (I run the system when I'm not around quite a bit)... I'd really like to know if one fan fails the other one is still working so guidance is appreciated, or just some discussion on how all of this should work. I'm presuming all of this is in the BIOS? sensors, pwmconfig, fancontrol. No need to get the bios involved (except maybe shutdown at 95°C)
[gentoo-user] Cannot compile polkit-0.107-r1 or polkit-0.108 on one computer
Hi, I've run into a really strange problem during an upgrade from KDE 4.8 to KDE 4.9. This upgrade includes an upgrade in polkit from version 0.104 to 0.107-r1. The problem with the latter release is that I cannot emerge polkit for release=0.107-r1 (did not tes it with plain 0.107), because I get a linker error: polkitbackendjsauthority.c: In function 'set_property_strv': polkitbackendjsauthority.c:640:17: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned integer expressions polkitbackendjsauthority.c: In function 'js_polkit_spawn': polkitbackendjsauthority.c:1352:3: warning: implicit declaration of function 'WIFEXITED' polkitbackendjsauthority.c:1352:3: warning: nested extern declaration of 'WIFEXITED' polkitbackendjsauthority.c:1352:3: warning: implicit declaration of function 'WEXITSTATUS' polkitbackendjsauthority.c:1352:3: warning: nested extern declaration of 'WEXITSTATUS' polkitbackendjsauthority.c:1362:7: warning: implicit declaration of function 'WIFSIGNALED' polkitbackendjsauthority.c:1362:7: warning: nested extern declaration of 'WIFSIGNALED' polkitbackendjsauthority.c:1366:35: warning: implicit declaration of function 'WTERMSIG' polkitbackendjsauthority.c:1366:35: warning: nested extern declaration of 'WTERMSIG' CC libpolkit_backend_1_la-polkitbackendactionpool.lo CC libpolkit_backend_1_la-polkitbackendconfigsource.lo CC libpolkit_backend_1_la-polkitbackendactionlookup.lo CC libpolkit_backend_1_la-polkitbackendsessionmonitor.lo CCLD libpolkit-backend-1.la CC polkitd-polkitd.o CCLD polkitd ./.libs/libpolkit-backend-1.a(libpolkit_backend_1_la-polkitbackendjsauthority.o): In function `js_polkit_spawn': polkitbackendjsauthority.c:(.text+0x318f): undefined reference to `WIFEXITED' polkitbackendjsauthority.c:(.text+0x31b1): undefined reference to `WIFEXITED' polkitbackendjsauthority.c:(.text+0x31c4): undefined reference to `WEXITSTATUS' polkitbackendjsauthority.c:(.text+0x3237): undefined reference to `WEXITSTATUS' polkitbackendjsauthority.c:(.text+0x326f): undefined reference to `WIFSIGNALED' polkitbackendjsauthority.c:(.text+0x3282): undefined reference to `WTERMSIG' polkitbackendjsauthority.c:(.text+0x3292): undefined reference to `WTERMSIG' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[4]: *** [polkitd] Error 1 make[4]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/sys-auth/polkit-0.107-r1/work/polkit-0.107/src/polkitbackend' make[3]: *** [all] Error 2 make[3]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/sys-auth/polkit-0.107-r1/work/polkit-0.107/src/polkitbackend' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/sys-auth/polkit-0.107-r1/work/polkit-0.107/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/sys-auth/polkit-0.107-r1/work/polkit-0.107' make: *** [all] Error 2 * ERROR: sys-auth/polkit-0.107-r1 failed (compile phase): * emake failed OK - so somehow the definitions inside stdlib.h or sys/wait.h do not make it to polkitbackendjsauthority.c. What is going on here? - Weirded out in vienna -- Wolfgang Liebihc
Re: [gentoo-user] xorg, mtrack on a macbook air
On Tue, 2012-12-04 at 14:08 +0800, Bill Kenworthy wrote: On Tue, 2012-12-04 at 13:59 +0800, Bill Kenworthy wrote: Hi, I have a mouse issue with the trackpad on a late 2012 macbook air. In X I am seeing multiple mouse clicks similar to two drivers for the same event. i.e., mtrack is set to 3 zones for the pad but a right click shows (in xev) mouse button 3 down, then 1 down, then 1 up and finally 3 up which destroys most right click actions :( Oddly, button 1 clicks are ok (only one set, not repeated) Is it possible to find out where the button 1 clicks are coming from? - evdev just says which button is clicked, not where it came from. BillK Whoops, slight mistake ... s/evdev/xev/ :) BillK ok, no reply so it seems no-one else knows either. I think there are a number of others running gentoo on a macbook, so how are you handling the trackpad in X (LXDE)? BillK
[gentoo-user] System maintenance procedure?
My unattended daily system maintenance procedure is like this: layman -S emerge --sync emerge -pvDuN world emerge -pv --depclean eclean -p distfiles eclean -p packages And then attended like this: emerge -DuN world revdep-rebuild etc-update elogv emerge --depclean eclean distfiles eclean packages Am I missing any good stuff? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] broadcom-sta and the 3.6.x kernel
The broadcom-sta package works fine for me with several kernels up to 3.5.x. But with 3.6.x it fails. This seems to be a known problem, gentoo bug https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=437898 437898 contains some patches and various comments, but I am surprised that the current ebuild does not work with the current kernel since at least 10 october. I believe several on this list use -sta and know many are running 3.6.x. What do you do? I should add that at present running 3.5.x is not a hardship for me. thanks, allan Hi! I'm running 3.5.4 on my netbook. Had that problem after emerging networkmanager-0.9.6.4. Downgrading to 0.9.4.0-r6 solved it.
Re: [gentoo-user] System maintenance procedure?
Why with the pretend option? Checking to see if it's needed? Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -Original message- From: Grant emailgr...@gmail.com To: Gentoo mailing list gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 00:34:37 GMT+00:00 Subject: [gentoo-user] System maintenance procedure? My unattended daily system maintenance procedure is like this: layman -S emerge --sync emerge -pvDuN world emerge -pv --depclean eclean -p distfiles eclean -p packages And then attended like this: emerge -DuN world revdep-rebuild etc-update elogv emerge --depclean eclean distfiles eclean packages Am I missing any good stuff? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] System maintenance procedure?
Grant wrote: My unattended daily system maintenance procedure is like this: layman -S emerge --sync emerge -pvDuN world emerge -pv --depclean eclean -p distfiles eclean -p packages And then attended like this: emerge -DuN world revdep-rebuild etc-update elogv emerge --depclean eclean distfiles eclean packages Am I missing any good stuff? - Grant I would use the -a option unless the output of the first part is being emailed to you or something. Other than using -a instead of -p, I don't see anything missing. Just check the USE flags before letting it update. They get changed sometimes and it could cause issues. Sometimes the change is for the good so always look into it first. You *may* want to look into dispatch-conf too. It does the same as etc-update but it keeps records in case a updated config file borks your system. Just a thought. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] System maintenance procedure?
Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: My unattended daily system maintenance procedure is like this: layman -S emerge --sync emerge -pvDuN world emerge -pv --depclean eclean -p distfiles eclean -p packages And then attended like this: emerge -DuN world revdep-rebuild etc-update elogv emerge --depclean eclean distfiles eclean packages Am I missing any good stuff? - Grant The first depclean is redundant, you haven't updated anything so it won't show anything useful. I only run depclean and revdep-rebuild weekly,I don't see a need to routinely do it more often, especially on slower systems. I do run eix-update and eix-update-remote after my daily sync.I run eix-test-obsolete from the weekly cron script. Frequent cleaning of packages is not a good idea IMO, I like to keep the old veraions around for at least a few days, in case something unpleasant shows up and I want to roll back. I also have portage mail elog messages to me, so I don't bother with elogv. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [gentoo-user] System maintenance procedure?
On Dec 5, 2012 7:34 AM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: My unattended daily system maintenance procedure is like this: layman -S emerge --sync emerge -pvDuN world emerge -pv --depclean eclean -p distfiles eclean -p packages And then attended like this: emerge -DuN world revdep-rebuild etc-update elogv emerge --depclean eclean distfiles eclean packages Am I missing any good stuff? - Grant There's an incantation that makes emerge download the source files but don't actually emerge them, yet. Will save a lot of time during attended sessions if your Internet connection is kind of not fast. Can someone help me refresh my mind? Rgds, --
Re: [gentoo-user] System maintenance procedure?
On Tue, Dec 04 2012, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Dec 5, 2012 7:34 AM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: My unattended daily system maintenance procedure is like this: layman -S emerge --sync emerge -pvDuN world emerge -pv --depclean eclean -p distfiles eclean -p packages And then attended like this: emerge -DuN world revdep-rebuild etc-update elogv emerge --depclean eclean distfiles eclean packages Am I missing any good stuff? - Grant There's an incantation that makes emerge download the source files but don't actually emerge them, yet. Will save a lot of time during attended sessions if your Internet connection is kind of not fast. Can someone help me refresh my mind? Rgds, -- --fetchonly -f (can also see -F --fetch-all-uri) allan
Re: [gentoo-user] System maintenance procedure?
Pandu Poluan wrote: There's an incantation that makes emerge download the source files but don't actually emerge them, yet. Will save a lot of time during attended sessions if your Internet connection is kind of not fast. Can someone help me refresh my mind? Rgds, That would be the -f option. Short for fetch. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] System maintenance procedure?
My unattended daily system maintenance procedure is like this: layman -S emerge --sync emerge -pvDuN world emerge -pv --depclean eclean -p distfiles eclean -p packages And then attended like this: emerge -DuN world revdep-rebuild etc-update elogv emerge --depclean eclean distfiles eclean packages Am I missing any good stuff? - Grant I would use the -a option unless the output of the first part is being emailed to you or something. Exactly, it's being emailed to me and I should have said so. Other than using -a instead of -p, I don't see anything missing. Just check the USE flags before letting it update. They get changed sometimes and it could cause issues. Sometimes the change is for the good so always look into it first. You *may* want to look into dispatch-conf too. It does the same as etc-update but it keeps records in case a updated config file borks your system. Just a thought. I will do that. dispatch-conf sounds like a good thing. - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] System maintenance procedure?
My unattended daily system maintenance procedure is like this: layman -S emerge --sync emerge -pvDuN world emerge -pv --depclean eclean -p distfiles eclean -p packages And then attended like this: emerge -DuN world revdep-rebuild etc-update elogv emerge --depclean eclean distfiles eclean packages Am I missing any good stuff? - Grant The first depclean is redundant, you haven't updated anything so it won't show anything useful. I only run depclean and revdep-rebuild weekly,I don't see a need to routinely do it more often, especially on slower systems. I do run eix-update and eix-update-remote after my daily sync.I run eix-test-obsolete from the weekly cron script. I should have said that I'm emailed the results of the first set of commands so the first depclean is there to let me know what would be removed after yesterday's update. eix-test-obsolete sounds nice. New addition! Frequent cleaning of packages is not a good idea IMO, I like to keep the old veraions around for at least a few days, in case something unpleasant shows up and I want to roll back. I think you're right about that. Can I configure eclean to wait a certain number of days since a package was removed before cleaning it? Even if I only run it once per week, it could remove a package that was updated yesterday that I find out I need tomorrow. - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] System maintenance procedure?
Grant wrote: I think you're right about that. Can I configure eclean to wait a certain number of days since a package was removed before cleaning it? Even if I only run it once per week, it could remove a package that was updated yesterday that I find out I need tomorrow. - Grant -t, --time-limit=timedon't delete files modified since time time is an amount of time: 1y is one year, 2w is two weeks, etc. Units are: y (years), m (months), w (weeks), d (days) and h (hours). I found that in man eclean. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] System maintenance procedure?
I think you're right about that. Can I configure eclean to wait a certain number of days since a package was removed before cleaning it? Even if I only run it once per week, it could remove a package that was updated yesterday that I find out I need tomorrow. - Grant -t, --time-limit=timedon't delete files modified since time time is an amount of time: 1y is one year, 2w is two weeks, etc. Units are: y (years), m (months), w (weeks), d (days) and h (hours). Thanks Dale. I found that in man eclean. I'm sorry, I didn't consider a parameter like that for some reason. Should it be alright to depclean every day? As long as I use --time-limit with 'eclean packages', I should be able to reinstall anything that depclean removes even if it's pruned from Portage. - Grant
[gentoo-user] openconnect and network manager
I'm having a bit of trouble tracking down the issue im having with openconnect it connects fine if i run from command line as root, as expected, but network manager cant seem to create the tun device. This all works in ubuntu so im sure its just a permissions/configuration issue, I just don't know where to look. any ideas would be appreciated. -Kevin B
[gentoo-user] ssmtp alternatives: msmtp vs. dma
I was setting up ssmtp but I realized it isn't being maintained and there are a couple of alternatives called msmtp and dma. Can anyone recommend one of these over the other? I don't like how ssmtp stores the mail password in clear text in its config file. It looks like msmtp can pull the password from gpg: msmtp --passwordeval 'gpg -d mypwfile.gpg' I don't have much experience with gpg. Does this mean I can store the mail password encrypted on each of my systems so it can be used in an automated fashion to get mail onto my mail server? Do I need to start gpg-agent and enter a gpg keyring password whenever I reboot each of the systems? Is this the best way to get email alerts from my various systems to my email address? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] ssmtp alternatives: msmtp vs. dma
On 12/05/2012 12:28 AM, Grant wrote: I was setting up ssmtp but I realized it isn't being maintained and there are a couple of alternatives called msmtp and dma. Can anyone recommend one of these over the other? I don't like how ssmtp stores the mail password in clear text in its config file. It looks like msmtp can pull the password from gpg: msmtp --passwordeval 'gpg -d mypwfile.gpg' I don't have much experience with gpg. Does this mean I can store the mail password encrypted on each of my systems so it can be used in an automated fashion to get mail onto my mail server? Do I need to start gpg-agent and enter a gpg keyring password whenever I reboot each of the systems? Is this the best way to get email alerts from my various systems to my email address? I switched to msmtp when nbsmtp was treecleaned. The switch was uneventful; it just works, which is high praise. You can't encrypt your password unless you're going to be physically present to decrypt it (with some other password). If your machine is physically secure, you can just make the msmtp config file read-only to yourself. If someone can log in as you, they can get your password anyway. There's only a risk if e.g. you're not root, or someone else can get root (access to grub) or walk off with the hard drive. If you're worried about either of those scenarios, set up a separate account for your email alerts.
Re: [gentoo-user] ssmtp alternatives: msmtp vs. dma
I was setting up ssmtp but I realized it isn't being maintained and there are a couple of alternatives called msmtp and dma. Can anyone recommend one of these over the other? I don't like how ssmtp stores the mail password in clear text in its config file. It looks like msmtp can pull the password from gpg: msmtp --passwordeval 'gpg -d mypwfile.gpg' I don't have much experience with gpg. Does this mean I can store the mail password encrypted on each of my systems so it can be used in an automated fashion to get mail onto my mail server? Do I need to start gpg-agent and enter a gpg keyring password whenever I reboot each of the systems? Is this the best way to get email alerts from my various systems to my email address? I switched to msmtp when nbsmtp was treecleaned. The switch was uneventful; it just works, which is high praise. You can't encrypt your password unless you're going to be physically present to decrypt it (with some other password). If your machine is physically secure, you can just make the msmtp config file read-only to yourself. If someone can log in as you, they can get your password anyway. There's only a risk if e.g. you're not root, or someone else can get root (access to grub) or walk off with the hard drive. If you're worried about either of those scenarios, set up a separate account for your email alerts. I like the separate account idea. Any tips on locking it down? Maybe that account on the mail server should somehow only be allowed to deliver to a single email address (mine)? Would it need a shell account? Certainly not allowed in sshd_config. - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] ssmtp alternatives: msmtp vs. dma
On 12/5/12 7:28 AM, Grant wrote: I was setting up ssmtp but I realized it isn't being maintained and there are a couple of alternatives called msmtp and dma. Can anyone recommend one of these over the other? msmtp and nullmailer are good choices as light weight MTAs. I hope to change the default mta from ssmtp to one of them in semi-near future (probably nullmailer now that it has TLS/SSL support). -- Eray Aslan e...@gentoo.org
