Re: Integrated ZFS for Gentoo - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On Friday 30 Aug 2013 21:21:10 Alan McKinnon wrote: Ahem, Mr Bothwick! Our friend with the thing about free lunches needs you to demonstrate your penmanship, considering you have some proven results in this area. ...and I'd happily act as editor... :-) ;-) -- Regards, Peter
Re: Integrated ZFS for Gentoo - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 4:16 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 30 Aug 2013 15:44:35 Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-08-30 10:34 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 30/08/2013 16:29, Tanstaafl wrote: Why would there be a problem if someone decided to create a 3rd party overlay *not* part of the official gentoo portage tree that contained *only* the zfs stuff, and when this overlay was installed combined with a zfs keyword for the kernel, portage would then pull in the required files, and automagically build a kernel with an up to date version of zfs properly and fully integrated? Would this not work, *and* have no problems with licensing? there is no problem with licensing in that case. The ebuild could even go in the portage tree, as Gentoo is not redistributing sources when it publishes an ebuild. Thanks Alan! Just the answer I wanted. Ok, so... how hard would this be then? What would the chances be that this could actually happen? I'll happily go open a bug for it if you think the work would be minimal... It seems to me that I can't be the only one who would like to see this happen? Nope! I will vote for you. ;-) -- Regards, Mick Sounds like an awful lot of trouble for a problem that's already solved by installing sys-kernel/module-rebuild and running module-rebuild rebuild after every kernel update, which is how nvidia, broadcom, and other kernel modules are dealt painlessly with anyways... Well, if you follow Tanstaafl in the other thread, you'll see that he wants ZFS to be integrated into the kernel, not existing as a kernel module. Rgds, -- FdS Pandu E Poluan ~ IT Optimizer ~ • LOPSA Member #15248 • Blog : http://pepoluan.tumblr.com • Linked-In : http://id.linkedin.com/in/pepoluan
Re: Integrated ZFS for Gentoo - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: Well, if you follow Tanstaafl in the other thread, you'll see that he wants ZFS to be integrated into the kernel, not existing as a kernel module. But why does someone want things to be inside a static kernel? Since 1991/1992, Solaris does not have anything in the static kernel than the startup code, the basic scheduler code and the pager daemon. You need a bootloader that knows about ELF dependencies, but grub has been enhanced for that feature. Everything is dynamic, you would however put a lot of effort into the linux kernel to get to that state...e.g. automated major device numbering. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
Re: Integrated ZFS for Gentoo - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On 2013-08-31 1:10 AM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like an awful lot of trouble for a problem that's already solved by installing sys-kernel/module-rebuild and running module-rebuild rebuild after every kernel update, which is how nvidia, broadcom, and other kernel modules are dealt painlessly with anyways... You must have missed the point that this is for *servers*, that most people *disable modules* on. I *know* that it is available as a module.
Re: Integrated ZFS for Gentoo - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On 2013-08-31 7:04 AM, Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Everything is dynamic, you would however put a lot of effort into the linux kernel to get to that state...e.g. automated major device numbering. ??? I've been running my servers without modules since... I started running servers. Servers are not like desktops - constantly changing devices. They - in most cases - *are* static, and most people *want* them that way. Regardless, please do *not* distract this thread with arguments about it. If you don't want or see the benefit, fine, just ignore this thread.
[gentoo-user] Re: where did lvm installation guide go?
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:37:19AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: Just fyi... the *only* problem that I have with this is that I have an *existing* system that has a separate /usr, and it only has that separate /usr because when I followed the original gentoo installation handbook back in 2003 or so, it actually had a separate /usr in the example directory structure layout, so I thought it was the official gentoo *recommendation* to do it that way. Following the Gentoo original handbook at that time was the good thing to do. But things change over time. What was true in 2003 might not still be true today or tomorrow. Things did change to the point that nowadays using an initramfs to keep a seperate /usr filesystem is the way to go. It's surprising you to have taken the handbook from Gentoo as best practice guide to get a proper system and not beeing fine with the recommendations of today. If I wasn't in this predicament, I'd just make a mental note to never install /usr to a separate partition and be done with it. Honestly, I used to have create a dedicated /usr filesystem for a long long time. It really was a big plus in the past. Except of some corner cases, I don't think it worth the trouble anymore. -- Nicolas Sebrecht
Re: Integrated ZFS for Gentoo - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2013-08-31 1:10 AM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like an awful lot of trouble for a problem that's already solved by installing sys-kernel/module-rebuild and running module-rebuild rebuild after every kernel update, which is how nvidia, broadcom, and other kernel modules are dealt painlessly with anyways... You must have missed the point that this is for *servers*, that most people *disable modules* on. I *know* that it is available as a module. Why, for security reasons? On Solaris, you can disable loading unsigned modules, is this not supported by Linux? Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
Re: Integrated ZFS for Gentoo - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2013-08-31 7:04 AM, Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Everything is dynamic, you would however put a lot of effort into the linux kernel to get to that state...e.g. automated major device numbering. ??? I've been running my servers without modules since... I started running servers. Servers are not like desktops - constantly changing devices. They - in most cases - *are* static, and most people *want* them that way. Regardless, please do *not* distract this thread with arguments about it. If you don't want or see the benefit, fine, just ignore this thread. I do not understand this thread. If this is not mainline, and it is not trivial gentoo kernels maintainer patch, and you must have this as static, you can just put the patch within /etc/portage/patches/sys-kernel/gentoo-sources/, so it will patch your kernel every time you emerge new one. Regards, Alon
Re: Integrated ZFS for Gentoo - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
In linux.gentoo.user, Mr Schilling wrote: On Solaris, you can disable loading unsigned modules, is this not supported by Linux? CONFIG_MODULE_SIG -- Regards, Gregory.
Re: Integrated ZFS for Gentoo - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
Gregory Shearman zek...@gmail.com wrote: In linux.gentoo.user, Mr Schilling wrote: On Solaris, you can disable loading unsigned modules, is this not supported by Linux? CONFIG_MODULE_SIG So there seems to be no real need to create a static linux kernel with ZFS inside. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
Re: [gentoo-user] where did lvm installation guide go?
On Fri, Aug 30 2013, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 30/08/2013 17:18, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote:
On Fri, Aug 30 2013, J. Roeleveld wrote:
gottl...@nyu.edu wrote:
I want to reinstall an old system to have combined root+usr.
I have always used an lvm installation guide that was a companion to
the handbook. That is it would tell you how to augment each handbook
installation chapter for lvm (actually lvm2).
I can't find this documentation now on gentoo.org. There is a big wiki
page, but that is different as are daniel's 2-volume learning linux
lvm.
thanks,
allan
Allan,
Use the raid+LVM guide and skip all the raid steps.
--
Joost
Yes, that is what I will be doing; but it is not the same as the companion
and hence less familiar to me. Also the wiki certainly does help.
I haven't studied the raid+LVM closely yet but a quick look didn't
reveal how to interrupt the installation, shut off the machine, and
continue later.
the only difference is activating your LVs just before you need to mount
them (before doing the chroot):
vgchange -a y
everything else stays the same. Instead of mounting /dev/sdxy at
/mnt/gentoo/..., you will mount /dev/mapper/${LV}
Thank you alan and joost.
I actually remembered -a y or -a -y and a search of the lvm commands
yielded vgchange. But your replies definitely increased my confidence
allan
[gentoo-user] dvdstyler fails to build, complains about wxSVG with no libav
Hi, It's been for a while: while trying to re-emerge a ~amd64 rmedia-video/dvdstyler-2.5.1 in a default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop/kde profile machine, during the configuration pass, it stops, complaining about wxSVG not being built with LIBAV support: ... checking for wx-config... /usr/lib64/wx/config/gtk2-unicode-release-2.8 checking for wxWidgets version = 2.8.7... yes (version 2.8.12) checking for wxWidgets static library... no checking for wxWidgets media... yes checking for LIBAV... yes checking for libavformat/avformat.h... yes checking for wxSVG... yes checking for wxSVG library with LIBAV support... no configure: error: DVDStyler requires the wxSVG library with LIBAV support. Checking use flags for wxsvg and wxGTK, there is no mention as to libav, neither for the amd nor for the ~amd. Issuing a equery g wxsvg and checking use flags for each of the direct dependencies, there is no mentioning of libav anywhere. Any hints? Thanks Francisco
Re: Integrated ZFS for Gentoo - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2013-08-31 1:10 AM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like an awful lot of trouble for a problem that's already solved by installing sys-kernel/module-rebuild and running module-rebuild rebuild after every kernel update, which is how nvidia, broadcom, and other kernel modules are dealt painlessly with anyways... You must have missed the point that this is for *servers*, that most people *disable modules* on. I *know* that it is available as a module. Ok, I was just asking. But as for what most people do on their servers, speak for yourself. -- This email is:[ ] actionable [ ] fyi[x] social Response needed: [ ] yes [ ] up to you [x] no Time-sensitive: [ ] immediate[ ] soon [x] none
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: crond: time disparity detected (on hibernate and wake-up)
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 09:43:06PM -0500, »Q« wrote On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 21:46:37 -0400 Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: Whenever I hibernate or do a wake-up from hibernation, I always get messages about a crond time disparity detected. It's usually 580 or 602 minutes. But the clock appears to be correct within a few seconds after wake-up. I'm in Eastern time, running local time... If you're using sys-power/hibernate-script, having it stop and restart crond might help. I use fcron, so in a conf file for hibernate I have RestartServices fcron I am using sys-power/hibernate-script but... RestartServices dcron ...doesn't help. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
Re: Integrated ZFS for Gentoo - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 02:19:56PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote So there seems to be no real need to create a static linux kernel with ZFS inside. See http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?full=1#book_part1_chap7 Now go to File Systems and select support for the filesystems you use. Don't compile the file system you use for the root filesystem as module, otherwise your Gentoo system will not be able to mount your partition. You can get away with most stuff as modules; ***BUT NOT THE ROOT FILESYSTEM***. Think about it for a minute. Gentoo reads modules off the disk. If the code for the root filesystem is a module, Gentoo would have to read the module off the disk to enable it to read the module off the disk... OOPS. This is a classic chicken and egg situation. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
Re: Integrated ZFS for Gentoo - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 02:19:56PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote So there seems to be no real need to create a static linux kernel with ZFS inside. See http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?full=1#book_part1_chap7 Now go to File Systems and select support for the filesystems you use. Don't compile the file system you use for the root filesystem as module, otherwise your Gentoo system will not be able to mount your partition. You can get away with most stuff as modules; ***BUT NOT THE ROOT FILESYSTEM***. Think about it for a minute. Gentoo reads modules off the disk. If the code for the root filesystem is a module, Gentoo would have to read the module off the disk to enable it to read the module off the disk... OOPS. This is a classic chicken and egg situation. I usally use ext4 as filesystem. # lsmod|grep ext ext3 100768 0 jbd39586 1 ext3 ext2 49572 0 ext4 263621 1 crc16 1255 2 ext4,bluetooth mbcache 4450 3 ext2,ext3,ext4 jbd2 48679 1 ext4 Isn't great what an initramfs can do? Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: Integrated ZFS for Gentoo - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 02:19:56PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote So there seems to be no real need to create a static linux kernel with ZFS inside. See http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?full=1#book_part1_chap7 Now go to File Systems and select support for the filesystems you use. Don't compile the file system you use for the root filesystem as module, otherwise your Gentoo system will not be able to mount your partition. You can get away with most stuff as modules; ***BUT NOT THE ROOT FILESYSTEM***. Think about it for a minute. Gentoo reads modules off the disk. If the code for the root filesystem is a module, Gentoo would have to read the module off the disk to enable it to read the module off the disk... OOPS. This is a classic chicken and egg situation. And this is why the initrd was actually invented. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initrd It's a means of loading kernel modules so that the root filesystem can be mounted as a module. -- This email is:[ ] actionable [x] fyi[ ] social Response needed: [ ] yes [ ] up to you [x] no Time-sensitive: [ ] immediate[ ] soon [x] none
[gentoo-user] virtualbox - failed to access the USB subsystem
After recent upgrade I'm getting an error when trying to start the virtualbox.
Failed to access the USB subsystem.
Could not load the Host USB Proxy service: VERR_NOT_FOUND.
Details:
Result Code:
NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x4005)
Component:
Host
Interface:
IHost {dab4a2b8-c735-4f08-94fc-9bec84182e2f}
Callee:
IMachine {5eaa9319-62fc-4b0a-843c-0cb1940f8a91}
cat /etc/group shows that I'm in vboxusers group
vboxusers:x:1009:thelma,fd
What else to try? I'm using Virtualbox 4.1.26
--
Joseph
[gentoo-user] Re: dvdstyler fails to build, complains about wxSVG with no libav [SOLVED]
2013/8/31 Francisco Ares fra...@gmail.com Hi, It's been for a while: while trying to re-emerge a ~amd64 rmedia-video/dvdstyler-2.5.1 in a default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop/kde profile machine, during the configuration pass, it stops, complaining about wxSVG not being built with LIBAV support: ... checking for wx-config... /usr/lib64/wx/config/gtk2-unicode-release-2.8 checking for wxWidgets version = 2.8.7... yes (version 2.8.12) checking for wxWidgets static library... no checking for wxWidgets media... yes checking for LIBAV... yes checking for libavformat/avformat.h... yes checking for wxSVG... yes checking for wxSVG library with LIBAV support... no configure: error: DVDStyler requires the wxSVG library with LIBAV support. Checking use flags for wxsvg and wxGTK, there is no mention as to libav, neither for the amd nor for the ~amd. Issuing a equery g wxsvg and checking use flags for each of the direct dependencies, there is no mentioning of libav anywhere. Any hints? Thanks Francisco Just to follow up the solution found: I have re-emerged all first level dependencies (thanks to equery g), and finally dvdstyler was successfully built. Thanks Francisco
Re: [gentoo-user] virtualbox - failed to access the USB subsystem
On 08/31/13 19:10, Joseph wrote:
After recent upgrade I'm getting an error when trying to start the virtualbox.
Failed to access the USB subsystem.
Could not load the Host USB Proxy service: VERR_NOT_FOUND.
Details:
Result Code:
NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x4005)
Component:
Host
Interface:
IHost {dab4a2b8-c735-4f08-94fc-9bec84182e2f}
Callee:
IMachine {5eaa9319-62fc-4b0a-843c-0cb1940f8a91}
cat /etc/group shows that I'm in vboxusers group
vboxusers:x:1009:thelma,fd
What else to try? I'm using Virtualbox 4.1.26
The strange part is when I login to the machine via FreeNX this message does
not appear.
But only when I'm in front of the box directly.
--
Joseph
Re: Integrated ZFS for Gentoo - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On Sep 1, 2013 7:51 AM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 02:19:56PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote So there seems to be no real need to create a static linux kernel with ZFS inside. See http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?full=1#book_part1_chap7 Now go to File Systems and select support for the filesystems you use. Don't compile the file system you use for the root filesystem as module, otherwise your Gentoo system will not be able to mount your partition. You can get away with most stuff as modules; ***BUT NOT THE ROOT FILESYSTEM***. Think about it for a minute. Gentoo reads modules off the disk. If the code for the root filesystem is a module, Gentoo would have to read the module off the disk to enable it to read the module off the disk... OOPS. This is a classic chicken and egg situation. And this is why the initrd was actually invented. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initrd It's a means of loading kernel modules so that the root filesystem can be mounted as a module. Not everyone is willing to use an initr* thingy. It's another potential breaking point. I have no problem with /usr being 'merged' with /, in fact I have been doing that for a couple of years now. But I will keep myself a mile away from an initr* thingy. Rgds, --
Re: [gentoo-user] crond: time disparity detected (on hibernate and wake-up)
On Aug 31, 2013 8:47 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: Whenever I hibernate or do a wake-up from hibernation, I always get messages about a crond time disparity detected. It's usually 580 or 602 minutes. But the clock appears to be correct within a few seconds after wake-up. I'm in Eastern time, running local time... [i660][waltdnes][~] cat /etc/timezone Canada/Eastern Maybe the mobo battery is dying? Rgds, --
Re: Integrated ZFS for Gentoo - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
I usally use ext4 as filesystem. # lsmod|grep ext ext3 100768 0 jbd39586 1 ext3 ext2 49572 0 ext4 263621 1 crc16 1255 2 ext4,bluetooth mbcache 4450 3 ext2,ext3,ext4 jbd2 48679 1 ext4 Isn't great what an initramfs can do? In this case, initramfs is your root filesystem, from which you load another fs and then transfer (pivot root?) to it. You have to build initramfs support into the kernel, to boot an initramfs. So my argument still stands, regardless of whether your *INITIAL* filesystem is ext4fs, or ZFS, or initramfs, that *INITIAL* filesystem has to be built into the kernel. Also, I really wonder what the point is in having to use initramfs on a system where /usr is part of /. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
Re: Integrated ZFS for Gentoo - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: I usally use ext4 as filesystem. # lsmod|grep ext ext3 100768 0 jbd39586 1 ext3 ext2 49572 0 ext4 263621 1 crc16 1255 2 ext4,bluetooth mbcache 4450 3 ext2,ext3,ext4 jbd2 48679 1 ext4 Isn't great what an initramfs can do? In this case, initramfs is your root filesystem, from which you load another fs and then transfer (pivot root?) to it. You have to build initramfs support into the kernel, to boot an initramfs. So my argument still stands, regardless of whether your *INITIAL* filesystem is ext4fs, or ZFS, or initramfs, that *INITIAL* filesystem has to be built into the kernel. Interesting perspective. Of course, support for an initramfs is not actually a file system (it's not even in the File systems section of the kernel configuration, is in General setup); it's not possible to have initramfs as a module (that would make no sense at all); and it's code that is several orders of magnitude more simpler than the one used by ext4 (or any other journal file system). But you are right that for booting with an initramfs, you need initramfs support. Also, I really wonder what the point is in having to use initramfs on a system where /usr is part of /. Well, since some months ago I've been running as a module almost everything that can be compiled as a module. This allows me to run a *truly* minimal kernel, and only the necessary modules autoload automatically (one big exception: binfmt_script, I compiled that into the kernel because it was not loading automatically). I can also unload some modules when not in use anymore (and this is great to debug sometimes). This also lets me to add a lot of stuff in the kernel, as long as I add them as modules, without me worrying about bloating my kernel. Only when they are needed they are loaded. I have USB speakers, but I almost never use them; no problem, they (like almost everything else) live as modules, and only are loaded (automagically, thanks to udev) when needed. And again, I can unload them when not in use. And also, it turns out that by using dracut+systemd you could boot faster than without initramfs (although I can't find the link anymore). Finally, using only modules and dracut liberates me from thinking what should it be compiled in and what not; I just put *everything* as a module, and the kernel, udev and dracut take care of loading what's necessary. Thus, my kernel (the one running in memory) is as minimal as it can be, all the time. Oh, and one more thing; by having everything as a module, if suddenly I need support for new hardware, usually I can do a quick make menuconfig; make modules_install, and the new module can be modprobe'd into the kernel without needing a reboot. That's convenient. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: Integrated ZFS for Gentoo - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: I usally use ext4 as filesystem. # lsmod|grep ext ext3 100768 0 jbd39586 1 ext3 ext2 49572 0 ext4 263621 1 crc16 1255 2 ext4,bluetooth mbcache 4450 3 ext2,ext3,ext4 jbd2 48679 1 ext4 Isn't great what an initramfs can do? In this case, initramfs is your root filesystem, from which you load another fs and then transfer (pivot root?) to it. You have to build initramfs support into the kernel, to boot an initramfs. So my argument still stands, regardless of whether your *INITIAL* filesystem is ext4fs, or ZFS, or initramfs, that *INITIAL* filesystem has to be built into the kernel. Also, I really wonder what the point is in having to use initramfs on a system where /usr is part of /. It allows you to keep some kernel bits in modules. If ever you change your mind on whether to include / exclude / reconfigure those kernel bits in the future, your kernel recompile will take a lot, lot, shorter. Case in point - do you enable all the ext4 options, like acls and whatnot? Let's say no. What if you suddenly have to mount an external hard disk to recover some system on your server and the hard disk uses those ext4 options? If ext4 is hard built into your kernel, your recompile will have to basically redo the whole thing, whereas if ext4 was a module you would only recompile ext4 itself. -- This email is:[ ] actionable [x] fyi[ ] social Response needed: [ ] yes [ ] up to you [x] no Time-sensitive: [ ] immediate[ ] soon [x] none
[gentoo-user] DBus and network namespaces
I launch some apps from inside a network namespace in order to force them to communicate through my VPN interface only. But they fail to use DBus then. Some examples of what goes wrong: 1. Chromium cannot launch system proxy settings dialog. 2. Most apps from KDE SC crash right away. 3. No app can use ibus input methods. I'm not very familiar with DBus, is there a way to heal this setup?
