[gentoo-user] Re: Routine update wants to install 3 version of Ruby + 50 others
On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 11:06:19 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 12/10/2013 10:19 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: I understand that portage defaults to installing multiple versions (of Ruby, Python, and probably other stuff). What I don't understand it _why_. If none of the ebuilds specify q version, then they presumably will work with any availble version -- so why not just install one version? So why is the RUBY_TARGETS default the way it is? I can't speak for the Ruby team, but it was most likely chosen as the upgrade path that causes the least pain. It's not perfect, as you've seen, but different parts of the Ruby ecosystem move at a different pace, and you have to make them all place nice. I can speak for the ruby team :-) We have RUBY_TARGETS=ruby18 ruby19 as the default because ruby18 used to be the default and recommended ruby and now ruby19 is. By adding both we can make the transformation mostly seamless. So why is ruby18 *still* there? Because, if we remove it, you must do an 'emerge --changed-use' run to forcefully uninstall all the ruby18 code. This is similar to the recent python3_2 to python3_3 transition. I'm not a big fan of that approach, so instead we hoped to be able to just mask ruby18 given that it is no longer supported and just make it go away quietly, like we did with ree18 (Ruby Enterprise Edition). If people here indicate that running 'emerge --changed-use' is no big deal and I'm making a mountain out of a molehill then we can reconsider that approach. We'll face the same situation soon with ruby19 and ruby20, so knowing what people prefer is helpful. During a transition period like this, various upstreams release a bunch of crap with circular or conflicting dependencies that happen to work on their machines because nobody is using a real package manager. The fact that it works as well as it does is a miracle. If you don't want all three versions of Ruby on your machine, try setting e.g. RUBY_TARGETS=ruby19. It probably won't work, but that's because some package has troublesome dependencies, not because we're handling it wrong. It should work (I have some machines with that setting). Two things to keep in mind: you are now off the default settings, so you will need to manage new ruby targets yourself. You will also still get the ruby20 core installed for the moment due to weird dependency issues with some packages. This will get rectified when we add ruby20 to the default RUBY_TARGETS. If you want just a single RUBY_TARGET then right now ruby19 is the one to use, judging by this graph: http://moving-innovations.com/~graaff/ targets.svg Hans
[gentoo-user] Re: Routine update wants to install 3 version of Ruby + 50 others
On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 15:19:56 +, Grant Edwards wrote: AFAICT, if you have a global tk USE flag, you can not have 1.8 installed at the same time as 1.9 or 2.0. It looks like ruby 1.8 wants tk built with the same threads setting, and ruby 1.9 and 2.0 (because their threads setting is now mandatory) require tk to have the threads USE flag. Your options are to either set the threads USE flag globally, or to set it only for ruby 1.8. Hans
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Routine update wants to install 3 version of Ruby + 50 others
On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 09:29:56 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: I detest python, also, but there's no way w/out it. I like python - the language was designed by a mathematician and it shows. Contrast with perl which was designed by a linguist, and that shows too. As you say you can't run Gentoo with portage without Python, that's one of the things you know for sure up front. What does it matter whether you like the language or not when you are only using software written in it? It only matters is you develop that software. I cannot get on with Perl, but I am not at all bothered about using software written in it. If you really have some philosophical or allergenic objection to even having Python installed, you could always use a different package manager. -- Neil Bothwick Q. How many mathematicians does it take to change a light bulb? A. Only one - who gives it to six Californians, thereby reducing the problem to an earlier joke. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Routine update wants to install 3 version of Ruby + 50 others
On 11/12/2013 11:08, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 09:29:56 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: I detest python, also, but there's no way w/out it. I like python - the language was designed by a mathematician and it shows. Contrast with perl which was designed by a linguist, and that shows too. As you say you can't run Gentoo with portage without Python, that's one of the things you know for sure up front. What does it matter whether you like the language or not when you are only using software written in it? It only matters is you develop that software. I cannot get on with Perl, but I am not at all bothered about using software written in it. It doesn't matter whether I like it or not. I just happened to mention that I do. I also like living in a place with 360 days sunshine a year, I like the taste of grilled beef and have a special soft spot for Englishmen skilled in the art of snarky comments (you can thank Monty Python for that one). What does that mean? Not a damn thing. If you really have some philosophical or allergenic objection to even having Python installed, you could always use a different package manager. Well that's what I said, init? run Gentoo with portage -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Routine update wants to install 3 version of Ruby + 50 others
On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 11:18:43 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 11/12/2013 11:08, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 09:29:56 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: I detest python, also, but there's no way w/out it. I like python - the language was designed by a mathematician and it shows. Contrast with perl which was designed by a linguist, and that shows too. As you say you can't run Gentoo with portage without Python, that's one of the things you know for sure up front. What does it matter whether you like the language or not when you are only using software written in it? It only matters is you develop that software. I cannot get on with Perl, but I am not at all bothered about using software written in it. It doesn't matter whether I like it or not. I just happened to mention that I do. My reply was directed more at Bruce's comment, I left yours in to add context (and, it turned out, confusion). I also like living in a place with 360 days sunshine a year, How tedious, what do you talk about? ;-) I like the taste of grilled beef and have a special soft spot for Englishmen skilled in the art of snarky comments (you can thank Monty Python for that one). I'm not getting involved in that one, arguments are down the corridor. If you really have some philosophical or allergenic objection to even having Python installed, you could always use a different package manager. Well that's what I said, init? run Gentoo with portage Don't mention init, that one has its own department. -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 34: Silent scream signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Routine update wants to install 3 version of Ruby + 50 others
On 11/12/2013 12:23, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 11:18:43 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 11/12/2013 11:08, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 09:29:56 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: I detest python, also, but there's no way w/out it. I like python - the language was designed by a mathematician and it shows. Contrast with perl which was designed by a linguist, and that shows too. As you say you can't run Gentoo with portage without Python, that's one of the things you know for sure up front. What does it matter whether you like the language or not when you are only using software written in it? It only matters is you develop that software. I cannot get on with Perl, but I am not at all bothered about using software written in it. It doesn't matter whether I like it or not. I just happened to mention that I do. My reply was directed more at Bruce's comment, I left yours in to add context (and, it turned out, confusion). I also like living in a place with 360 days sunshine a year, How tedious, what do you talk about? ;-) The big orange ball in the sky? You have seen it, no? I like the taste of grilled beef and have a special soft spot for Englishmen skilled in the art of snarky comments (you can thank Monty Python for that one). I'm not getting involved in that one, arguments are down the corridor. This is abuse, arguments are down that *that* corridor. If you really have some philosophical or allergenic objection to even having Python installed, you could always use a different package manager. Well that's what I said, init? run Gentoo with portage Don't mention init, that one has its own department. I'm sure that to contract isn't it to init there has to be an apostrophe somewhere. I can't figure out where to put it... -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
[gentoo-user] Re: new printer : any thoughts ?
On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 21:01:29 -0500 Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: My ancient printer's ink cartridge has finally dried up the mobo in my regular computer accepts only USB. I don't do much printing, but occasionally need a few pages. The local store has an HP Deskjet 2510 on sale this week. Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions ? I got a cheap (bw) HP LaserJet p1005 half a decade ago. It works well with the drivers from http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/ , which lets me avoid using the bloated hplip mess (I tried that when I got the printer, it didn't work with network printing and required a running X session). It looks like the printer you mentioned only works with hplip. If hplip is acceptable to you, that is great, otherwise I would suggest looking for a different model that is either natively supported by cups or supported by the foo2X drivers or other similarly non-intrusive drivers. -- eroen signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base
On Tuesday 10 Dec 2013 23:49:06 Mick wrote: I seem to have two packages from gnome: # emerge --depclean -v -a app-admin/system-config-printer-gnome Calculating dependencies... done! app-admin/system-config-printer-gnome-1.4.3 pulled in by: kde-base/print-manager-4.10.5 requires app-admin/system-config-printer- gnome # emerge --depclean -v -a gnome-base/gnome-common Calculating dependencies... done! gnome-base/gnome-common-3.7.4 pulled in by: dev-python/pygobject-3.8.3 requires gnome-base/gnome-common Not sure why they are being pulled in as dependencies ... ? Further to what Alan said, I don't even have print-manager installed here. I checked what would be pulled in if I did install it and found 10 dependencies, including the two Alan mentioned. Did you install print-manager explicitly, or was it pulled in by something else? I have 8 kde-base/*-meta packages installed but none of them have pulled in print-manager. Printing seems to work well enough here since I connected my printers to my workstation directly. My mini-server used to be a print server until a new version of CUPS was released a few months ago. I couldn't get it to share printers so I just moved them. -- Regards Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Routine update wants to install 3 version of Ruby + 50 others
On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 12:33:48 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: I also like living in a place with 360 days sunshine a year, How tedious, what do you talk about? ;-) The big orange ball in the sky? You have seen it, no? Of course I have, on TV. I do live near Manchester... Well that's what I said, init? run Gentoo with portage Don't mention init, that one has its own department. I'm sure that to contract isn't it to init there has to be an apostrophe somewhere. I can't figure out where to put it... You're contracting a contraction, so maybe the apostrophe is contracted out... -- Neil Bothwick Wow! That lightning sounds clo..it! NO CARRIER signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new printer : any thoughts ?
On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 11:38:15 +0100, eroen wrote: I got a cheap (bw) HP LaserJet p1005 half a decade ago. It works well with the drivers from http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/ , which lets me avoid using the bloated hplip mess (I tried that when I got the printer, it didn't work with network printing and required a running X session). HPLIP does not require X, I've used it on a headless server. I used to use foo2zjs but HPLIP gained support for my printer (a LaserJet 1020 IIRC) so I dropped it. -- Neil Bothwick Where do you think you're going today? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Routine update wants to install 3 version of Ruby + 50 others
On Wednesday 11 Dec 2013 12:33:48 Alan McKinnon wrote: I'm sure that to contract isn't it to init there has to be an apostrophe somewhere. I can't figure out where to put it... Avoid the issue by using the more common spelling: innit. -- Regards Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] new printer : any thoughts ?
from Philip Webb: My ancient printer's ink cartridge has finally dried up the mobo in my regular computer accepts only USB. I don't do much printing, but occasionally need a few pages. The local store has an HP Deskjet 2510 on sale this week. Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions ? I lean toward Brother from what I hear and from my long-ago experience with Brother AX-26 word-processing daisywheel typewriter. My experience with HP LaserJet M1212nf MFP and their technical support is unfavorable. Their tech support was offshored to India, and there was much difficulty in being understood, both ways, over the telephone. I still haven't succeeded in setting it up. Maybe the assumptions about file system structure are Linux-based and cause failure in NetBSD and FreeBSD. Or maybe the printer is a turkey. This caused me strong aversion to buying anything in the future from HP. What other printer brands require a special package such as hplip for Linux and BSD? Tom
Re: [gentoo-user] new printer : any thoughts ?
2013/12/11 Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net My ancient printer's ink cartridge has finally dried up the mobo in my regular computer accepts only USB. I don't do much printing, but occasionally need a few pages. The local store has an HP Deskjet 2510 on sale this week. Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions ? Regarding HP printers and hplip, I recommend buying a printer which does not require a binary plugin [1]. First they are a source of trouble and second the binary plugins are not supported by Gentoo which means there is no maintainer for a plugin ebuild [2]. Plugin installation currently is not under contol of the package manager and hplip tries to automagically download and install the plugin which often fails. [1] http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/plugin.html [2] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352439 -- Regards Daniel
Re: [gentoo-user] new printer : any thoughts ?
Daniel Pielmeier wrote: 2013/12/11 Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net mailto:purs...@ca.inter.net My ancient printer's ink cartridge has finally dried up the mobo in my regular computer accepts only USB. I don't do much printing, but occasionally need a few pages. The local store has an HP Deskjet 2510 on sale this week. Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions ? Regarding HP printers and hplip, I recommend buying a printer which does not require a binary plugin [1]. First they are a source of trouble and second the binary plugins are not supported by Gentoo which means there is no maintainer for a plugin ebuild [2]. Plugin installation currently is not under contol of the package manager and hplip tries to automagically download and install the plugin which often fails. [1] http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/plugin.html [2] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352439 -- Regards Daniel I been using hplip for a long time. I never had any issue installing it. The only bug I ever had was when it would lock up and not work. I went back to a older version and hit the next update. It worked fine. I guess my mileage varies. lol Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
[gentoo-user] Re: Routine update wants to install 3 version of Ruby + 50 others
On 2013-12-11, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 09:29:56 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: I detest python, also, but there's no way w/out it. I like python - the language was designed by a mathematician and it shows. Contrast with perl which was designed by a linguist, and that shows too. As you say you can't run Gentoo with portage without Python, that's one of the things you know for sure up front. What does it matter whether you like the language or not when you are only using software written in it? It only matters is you develop that software. I cannot get on with Perl, but I am not at all bothered about using software written in it. If you really have some philosophical or allergenic objection to even having Python installed, you could always use a different package manager. If he want's to avoid using programs written in Python, he'll probably have to give up Linux completely. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Oh, I get it!! at The BEACH goes on, huh, gmail.comSONNY??
[gentoo-user] Re: new printer : any thoughts ?
Daniel Pielmeier billie at gentoo.org writes: Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions ? This thread has identified the software (driver) issues for you. Imho, all HP's work one way or another. Laser* is far superior to ink* desk*. Brother printers, are a project to get working under Gentoo. Not sure if the sproradic driver coverage for Brother printers has been fixed/addressed. Check out the price of replacement cartridges, as over time that will define the cost of ownership. Also check out the power consumption while printing (if you print a lot), during standby and in off mode. Many printers still draw power when in the off position (get an amp meter to check this) I keep all but one printer on a power strip and drop power to them all, via the mechanical spdt switch on the power strip, except when needed (several specialty printers). Never plug a printer into a UPS, unless it has double the capacity of the in-rush (powering up the fuser) of the printer. Some printers draw some serious currents when powering up (10 amps or more) or briefly when printing. The newer HP laser printer models will be the most power efficient. hth, James
[gentoo-user] Re: new printer : any thoughts ?
On 2013-12-11, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: My ancient printer's ink cartridge has finally dried up the mobo in my regular computer accepts only USB. I don't do much printing, but occasionally need a few pages. The local store has an HP Deskjet 2510 on sale this week. Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions ? Unless you want to print little other than photos on glossy paper, go with a laser printer. I bought an HP LaserJet 1200 about 13 years ago. It still works as good as it did the first day I used it, and I just had to buy my first toner cartridge last year (approx $100). In the meantime, my parents have gone through at least 4 inkjet printers and probably $1000 worth of ink cartridges (and the last time I was there it looked like their latest inkjet was in its death throes). I've also had excellent experience with Brother laser printers. Until a handful of years ago, I would have refused to buy a non postscript printer, but in the past 5-10 years, CUPs and foomatic have gotten pretty good at dealing with the other common printer languages. But I still wouldn't take an inkjet printer if you gave it to me for free. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! I guess you guys got at BIG MUSCLES from doing too gmail.commuch STUDYING!
Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base
On Wednesday 11 Dec 2013 10:58:19 Peter Humphrey wrote: On Tuesday 10 Dec 2013 23:49:06 Mick wrote: I seem to have two packages from gnome: # emerge --depclean -v -a app-admin/system-config-printer-gnome Calculating dependencies... done! app-admin/system-config-printer-gnome-1.4.3 pulled in by: kde-base/print-manager-4.10.5 requires app-admin/system-config-printer- gnome # emerge --depclean -v -a gnome-base/gnome-common Calculating dependencies... done! gnome-base/gnome-common-3.7.4 pulled in by: dev-python/pygobject-3.8.3 requires gnome-base/gnome-common Not sure why they are being pulled in as dependencies ... ? Further to what Alan said, I don't even have print-manager installed here. I checked what would be pulled in if I did install it and found 10 dependencies, including the two Alan mentioned. Did you install print-manager explicitly, or was it pulled in by something else? I have 8 kde-base/*-meta packages installed but none of them have pulled in print-manager. Printing seems to work well enough here since I connected my printers to my workstation directly. My mini-server used to be a print server until a new version of CUPS was released a few months ago. I couldn't get it to share printers so I just moved them. I have not to my knowledge installed a print-manager explicitly, so I assume it was pulled in by one of the kde metas. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] new printer : any thoughts ?
On 12/11/2013 03:01:29 AM, Philip Webb wrote: My ancient printer's ink cartridge has finally dried up the mobo in my regular computer accepts only USB. I don't do much printing, but occasionally need a few pages. The local store has an HP Deskjet 2510 on sale this week. Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions ? Have a look at Kyocera printers. Privately and at our institute we have only the best experiences with Kyocera printers. I have an FS 1028 MFP, it's a reasonably fast bw laser printer. It has a duplex unit for printing AND scanning and copying. It scans bw as well as color sheets. It can be connected via USB and LAN. I have a LAN at home and can print from my Android phone wirelessly. Kyocera has the cheapest cost per print. I would buy it again immediately if necessary. Helmut
Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base
On 11/12/2013 18:29, Mick wrote: On Wednesday 11 Dec 2013 10:58:19 Peter Humphrey wrote: On Tuesday 10 Dec 2013 23:49:06 Mick wrote: I seem to have two packages from gnome: # emerge --depclean -v -a app-admin/system-config-printer-gnome Calculating dependencies... done! app-admin/system-config-printer-gnome-1.4.3 pulled in by: kde-base/print-manager-4.10.5 requires app-admin/system-config-printer- gnome # emerge --depclean -v -a gnome-base/gnome-common Calculating dependencies... done! gnome-base/gnome-common-3.7.4 pulled in by: dev-python/pygobject-3.8.3 requires gnome-base/gnome-common Not sure why they are being pulled in as dependencies ... ? Further to what Alan said, I don't even have print-manager installed here. I checked what would be pulled in if I did install it and found 10 dependencies, including the two Alan mentioned. Did you install print-manager explicitly, or was it pulled in by something else? I have 8 kde-base/*-meta packages installed but none of them have pulled in print-manager. Printing seems to work well enough here since I connected my printers to my workstation directly. My mini-server used to be a print server until a new version of CUPS was released a few months ago. I couldn't get it to share printers so I just moved them. I have not to my knowledge installed a print-manager explicitly, so I assume it was pulled in by one of the kde metas. $ equery depends print-manager * These packages depend on print-manager: kde-base/kdeutils-meta-4.11.4 (cups ? =kde-base/print-manager-4.11.4:4[aqua=]) Set USE=-cups to fix -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base
On Wednesday 11 Dec 2013 18:39:59 Alan McKinnon wrote: $ equery depends print-manager * These packages depend on print-manager: kde-base/kdeutils-meta-4.11.4 (cups ? =kde-base/print-manager-4.11.4:4[aqua=]) Set USE=-cups to fix Confirmed. I didn't have kdeutils-meta installed. Installing it pulls in 10 packages with USE=-cups, 21 without. I'm installing it now. Of course I want other programs to be able to print, so I only set -cups against kdeutils-meta. -- Regards Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new printer : any thoughts ?
131211 Grant Edwards wrote: On 2013-12-11, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: My ancient printer's ink cartridge has finally dried up the mobo in my regular computer accepts only USB. I don't do much printing, but occasionally need a few pages. Unless you want to print little other than photos on glossy paper, go with a laser printer. I bought an HP LaserJet 1200 c 13 years ago. It still works as good as it did the first day I used it and I just had to buy my first toner cartridge last year (approx $100). In the meantime, my parents have gone through at least 4 inkjet printers and probably $1000 worth of ink cartridges (and the last time I was there it looked like their latest inkjet was in its death throes). I've also had excellent experience with Brother laser printers. Until a handful of years ago, I would have refused to buy a non-postscript printer, but in the past 5-10 years, CUPs and foomatic have gotten pretty good at dealing with other common printer languages. I still wouldn't take an inkjet printer if you gave it to me for free. Thanks for this the other replies. The local store has on sale a Brother HL-2240D Monochrome Laser Printer, 24 PPM Mono, 2400 x 600 DPI, Duplex Printing, USB Connectivity. Any further comments from anyone ? Can I assume it will work with Linux ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] new printer : any thoughts ?
Am 11.12.2013 03:01, schrieb Philip Webb: My ancient printer's ink cartridge has finally dried up the mobo in my regular computer accepts only USB. I don't do much printing, but occasionally need a few pages. The local store has an HP Deskjet 2510 on sale this week. Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions ? yes, get a laser printer. They are cheap and there is no ink to dry up.
[gentoo-user] Re: new printer : any thoughts ?
On 2013-12-11, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: Thanks for this the other replies. The local store has on sale a Brother HL-2240D Monochrome Laser Printer, 24 PPM Mono, 2400 x 600 DPI, Duplex Printing, USB Connectivity. Any further comments from anyone? http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting/database/databaseintro Can I assume it will work with Linux? http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Brother/Brother-HL-2240 It looks like it works fine, but possibly uses a binary driver module from Brother. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! In 1962, you could buy at a pair of SHARKSKIN SLACKS, gmail.comwith a Continental Belt, for $10.99!!
Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base
On Wednesday 11 Dec 2013 16:52:49 Peter Humphrey wrote: On Wednesday 11 Dec 2013 18:39:59 Alan McKinnon wrote: $ equery depends print-manager * These packages depend on print-manager: kde-base/kdeutils-meta-4.11.4 (cups ? =kde-base/print-manager-4.11.4:4[aqua=]) Set USE=-cups to fix Confirmed. I didn't have kdeutils-meta installed. Installing it pulls in 10 packages with USE=-cups, 21 without. I'm installing it now. Of course I want other programs to be able to print, so I only set -cups against kdeutils-meta. Let me get this right, if I set 'kde-base/kdeutils-meta -cups' I will still be able to print from kde applications? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base
On 11/12/2013 23:04, Mick wrote: On Wednesday 11 Dec 2013 16:52:49 Peter Humphrey wrote: On Wednesday 11 Dec 2013 18:39:59 Alan McKinnon wrote: $ equery depends print-manager * These packages depend on print-manager: kde-base/kdeutils-meta-4.11.4 (cups ? =kde-base/print-manager-4.11.4:4[aqua=]) Set USE=-cups to fix Confirmed. I didn't have kdeutils-meta installed. Installing it pulls in 10 packages with USE=-cups, 21 without. I'm installing it now. Of course I want other programs to be able to print, so I only set -cups against kdeutils-meta. Let me get this right, if I set 'kde-base/kdeutils-meta -cups' I will still be able to print from kde applications? I believe so. As far as I could ever tell, KDE's print manager was just a configurator front end to CUPS, so you can configure CUPS directly instead. For many years, that's exactly what I did. The print manager was masked for years as broken by design and at one point wasn't even installed by default at all. So I got used to hitting port 631 on localhost in a browser. I can't see any reason why it still isn't like that -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
[gentoo-user] recent trouble with wicd and systemd (non-global ctrl_ifname)
At home I use a wired connection so did notice the following problem until I traveled and tried to connect wirelessly. The problem must have started sometime within the past month. If I have wicd started by systemd, i.e. systemctl enable wicd The wired network is started fine but not the wireless. Instead, I see in the systemd journal wicd[290]: Failed to connect to non-global ctrl_ifname: wired error: No such file or directory wicd[290]: Failed to connect to non-global ctrl_ifname: wireless error: No such file or directory If I instead systemctl disable wicd, reboot, and then manually type wpa_supplicant -i wireless -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -B it works. Indeed after I have booted I can start wicd and cannot get the error above, but the actual behavior is not consistent. My system is ~amd64, profile gnome/systemd My wireless driver is from the package broadcom-sta (wl) thanks in advance for any help. allan
