Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
On 25 June 2014 07:05:03 CEST, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
J. Roeleveld wrote:
On 25 June 2014 01:09:03 CEST, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Howdy,
I run this test every once in a while. How bad is this:
root@fireball / # smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdc
smartctl 6.1 2013-03-16 r3800 [x86_64-linux-3.14.0-gentoo] (local
build)
Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke,
www.smartmontools.org
=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num Test_DescriptionStatus Remaining
LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error
# 1 Extended offlineCompleted: read failure 60%
16365 2905482560
# 2 Extended offlineCompleted: read failure 60%
16352 2905482560
# 3 Extended offlineCompleted without error 00%
8044 -
# 4 Extended offlineCompleted without error 00%
3121 -
And better yet, is there any way to tell it to not use that part and
finish the test? It seems it stopped when it got to that, or I
think
it
did.
Thoughts?
Dale
:-) :-)
Dale,
Not sure how to get it to go past. Think that is in the firmware of
the disk.
I would start with making a backup first.
--
Joost
That's a 3TB drive. I don't have anything big enough to back it up to.
Is there anyway to find out if this error is really serious or just a
run of the mill type error? I would think that if it was a run of the
mill error the drive would handle the error itself and I wouldn't even
see it. Something like marking the area as bad and just not trying to
use it anymore, even for the test.
Thanks. Any advice is appreciated. I need a hard drive guru. ;-)
Here is additional info:
root@fireball / # hdparm -i /dev/sdc
/dev/sdc:
Model=ST3000DM001-9YN166, FwRev=CC4C, SerialNo=Z1F0PKT5
Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw15uSec Fixed DTR10Mbs RotSpdTol.5% }
RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=4
BuffType=unknown, BuffSize=unknown, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=16
CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=5860533168
IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
PIO modes: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 udma5 *udma6
AdvancedPM=yes: unknown setting WriteCache=enabled
Drive conforms to: unknown: ATA/ATAPI-4,5,6,7
* signifies the current active mode
root@fireball / #
Dale
:-) :-)
There are some options with smartctl you could try to force the drive to swap
that bad sector with a spare one.
A full disk read could also force that. Eg. Try ' dd if=/dev/sdc of=/dev/null '.
But, I usually order a replacement when Smart tests start throwing errors.
I know 3TB is a lot for you to have to backup, but it's also a lot of data to
loose...
--
Joost
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Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
Am Tue, 24 Jun 2014 18:09:03 -0500 schrieb Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com: Howdy, I run this test every once in a while. How bad is this: root@fireball / # smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdc smartctl 6.1 2013-03-16 r3800 [x86_64-linux-3.14.0-gentoo] (local build) Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1 Num Test_DescriptionStatus Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error # 1 Extended offlineCompleted: read failure 60% 16365 2905482560 # 2 Extended offlineCompleted: read failure 60% 16352 2905482560 # 3 Extended offlineCompleted without error 00% 8044 - # 4 Extended offlineCompleted without error 00% 3121 - And better yet, is there any way to tell it to not use that part and finish the test? It seems it stopped when it got to that, or I think it did. Thoughts? I have no idea, really, but I had a similar situation that was caused by a loose SATA connection. In my case the drive stopped working first, then after checking the SATA connection, it was detected again, but didn't work correctly, including failing its SMART extended tests at a specific sector. Then, after fiddling with the connection several weeks later, it started working flawlessly again. I plan on buying SATA cables with clips, now :-/ (though I have to check if that will work with my mainboard first). Otherwise, to reiterate what J. Roeleveld wrote: backups, backups, backups ;) . Dale :-) :-) HTH -- Marc Joliet -- People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don't - Bjarne Stroustrup signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
On 06/25/2014 06:05 AM, Dale wrote: J. Roeleveld wrote: On 25 June 2014 01:09:03 CEST, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Howdy, I run this test every once in a while. How bad is this: root@fireball / # smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdc smartctl 6.1 2013-03-16 r3800 [x86_64-linux-3.14.0-gentoo] (local build) Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1 Num Test_DescriptionStatus Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error # 1 Extended offlineCompleted: read failure 60% 16365 2905482560 # 2 Extended offlineCompleted: read failure 60% 16352 2905482560 # 3 Extended offlineCompleted without error 00% 8044 - # 4 Extended offlineCompleted without error 00% 3121 - this is pretty bad. enough to really go and get a replacement asap, and turn that disk off if you can. the self test stops at the first error it comes to and in this case it is LBA#2905482560 for calculation of where the error is check out the smartcl [1] site which will help you to mark the block bad though the data that was in that block is probably lost forever. i'd also suggest you run # smartctl -a /dev/sdc and paste the results here. the crucial rows are 196/197 the reallocated sector counts and pending sector counts. they show how many blocks have been reallocated, and also how many are pending. this will give you a scaling factor, at the moment you are in trouble, if these figures are very high you are in very high trouble, if they are low you are in low trouble. [1] http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/badblockhowto.html
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
J. Roeleveld wrote: There are some options with smartctl you could try to force the drive to swap that bad sector with a spare one. A full disk read could also force that. Eg. Try ' dd if=/dev/sdc of=/dev/null '. But, I usually order a replacement when Smart tests start throwing errors. I know 3TB is a lot for you to have to backup, but it's also a lot of data to loose... -- Joost I just don't have anything to put the data on. I been saying I was going to get me a backup drive but hadn't yet. Looks like I better order one unless someone pops on and says this is normal and OK, sort of doubting that will happen tho. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
thegeezer wrote: this is pretty bad. enough to really go and get a replacement asap, and turn that disk off if you can. the self test stops at the first error it comes to and in this case it is LBA#2905482560 for calculation of where the error is check out the smartcl [1] site which will help you to mark the block bad though the data that was in that block is probably lost forever. i'd also suggest you run # smartctl -a /dev/sdc and paste the results here. the crucial rows are 196/197 the reallocated sector counts and pending sector counts. they show how many blocks have been reallocated, and also how many are pending. this will give you a scaling factor, at the moment you are in trouble, if these figures are very high you are in very high trouble, if they are low you are in low trouble. [1] http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/badblockhowto.html Here is the output: root@fireball / # smartctl -a /dev/sdc smartctl 6.1 2013-03-16 r3800 [x86_64-linux-3.14.0-gentoo] (local build) Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Model Family: Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 (AF) Device Model: ST3000DM001-9YN166 Serial Number:Z1F0PKT5 LU WWN Device Id: 5 000c50 04d79e15c Firmware Version: CC4C User Capacity:3,000,592,982,016 bytes [3.00 TB] Sector Sizes: 512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical Rotation Rate:7200 rpm Device is:In smartctl database [for details use: -P show] ATA Version is: ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 4 SATA Version is: SATA 3.0, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s) Local Time is:Wed Jun 25 02:46:39 2014 CDT == WARNING: A firmware update for this drive is available, see the following Seagate web pages: http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/207931en http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/223651en SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability. SMART support is: Enabled === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED General SMART Values: Offline data collection status: (0x00) Offline data collection activity was never started. Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled. Self-test execution status: ( 118) The previous self-test completed having the read element of the test failed. Total time to complete Offline data collection:( 584) seconds. Offline data collection capabilities:(0x73) SMART execute Offline immediate. Auto Offline data collection on/off support. Suspend Offline collection upon new command. No Offline surface scan supported. Self-test supported. Conveyance Self-test supported. Selective Self-test supported. SMART capabilities:(0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering power-saving mode. Supports SMART auto save timer. Error logging capability:(0x01) Error logging supported. General Purpose Logging supported. Short self-test routine recommended polling time:( 1) minutes. Extended self-test routine recommended polling time:( 340) minutes. Conveyance self-test routine recommended polling time:( 2) minutes. SCT capabilities: (0x3085) SCT Status supported. SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 119 099 006Pre-fail Always - 234421760 3 Spin_Up_Time0x0003 092 092 000Pre-fail Always - 0 4 Start_Stop_Count0x0032 100 100 020Old_age Always - 33 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036Pre-fail Always - 0 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 079 060 030Pre-fail Always - 99909120 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 082 082 000Old_age Always - 16379 10 Spin_Retry_Count0x0013 100 100 097Pre-fail Always - 0 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 020Old_age Always - 34 183 Runtime_Bad_Block 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age Always - 0 184 End-to-End_Error0x0032 100 100 099Old_age Always - 0 187 Reported_Uncorrect 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age Always - 0 188 Command_Timeout 0x0032 100 100 000
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 00:05:03 -0500, Dale wrote: That's a 3TB drive. I don't have anything big enough to back it up to. Then either your data is not important to you or you need to get another drive ASAP. Meanwhile, you could start backing up the most important data. Is there anyway to find out if this error is really serious or just a run of the mill type error? Whenever I have seen this behaviour, it was soon followed by total drive failure, even to the point that the computer would not boot with that drive connected. -- Neil Bothwick WinErr 003: Dynamic linking error - Your mistake is now in every file signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 00:05:03 -0500, Dale wrote: That's a 3TB drive. I don't have anything big enough to back it up to. Then either your data is not important to you or you need to get another drive ASAP. Meanwhile, you could start backing up the most important data. I got a drive picked out at Newegg. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148844 Is there anyway to find out if this error is really serious or just a run of the mill type error? Whenever I have seen this behaviour, it was soon followed by total drive failure, even to the point that the computer would not boot with that drive connected. Well, I did blow the dust out a month or so ago so I thought I would remove the sides and re-seat all the cables. I've got the long test running now but it passed the SHORT test. I'm hoping it will fix this issue, just hoping. That is a good deal on that new drive tho. May get it anyway. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] ssh rekeying slow ?
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Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
On 06/25/2014 08:49 AM, Dale wrote: thegeezer wrote: this is pretty bad. Here is the output: root@fireball / # smartctl -a /dev/sdc smartctl 6.1 2013-03-16 r3800 [x86_64-linux-3.14.0-gentoo] (local build) Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Model Family: Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 (AF) Device Model: ST3000DM001-9YN166 Serial Number:Z1F0PKT5 LU WWN Device Id: 5 000c50 04d79e15c Firmware Version: CC4C User Capacity:3,000,592,982,016 bytes [3.00 TB] Sector Sizes: 512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical Rotation Rate:7200 rpm Device is:In smartctl database [for details use: -P show] ATA Version is: ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 4 SATA Version is: SATA 3.0, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s) Local Time is:Wed Jun 25 02:46:39 2014 CDT == WARNING: A firmware update for this drive is available, see the following Seagate web pages: http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/207931en http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/223651en interesting - not seen that before might be worth a nose SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability. SMART support is: Enabled === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED General SMART Values: Offline data collection status: (0x00) Offline data collection activity was never started. Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled. Self-test execution status: ( 118) The previous self-test completed having the read element of the test failed. Total time to complete Offline data collection:( 584) seconds. Offline data collection capabilities:(0x73) SMART execute Offline immediate. Auto Offline data collection on/off support. Suspend Offline collection upon new command. No Offline surface scan supported. Self-test supported. Conveyance Self-test supported. Selective Self-test supported. SMART capabilities:(0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering power-saving mode. Supports SMART auto save timer. Error logging capability:(0x01) Error logging supported. General Purpose Logging supported. Short self-test routine recommended polling time:( 1) minutes. Extended self-test routine recommended polling time:( 340) minutes. Conveyance self-test routine recommended polling time:( 2) minutes. SCT capabilities: (0x3085) SCT Status supported. SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 119 099 006Pre-fail Always - 234421760 you can happily ignore this error rate, it is usual for it to be high and htere is hardware correction for it 3 Spin_Up_Time0x0003 092 092 000Pre-fail Always - 0 4 Start_Stop_Count0x0032 100 100 020Old_age Always - 33 33 power cycles seem very low but further down we see the power on time is just under two years which is also erring towards the lighter side of the mtbf 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036Pre-fail Always - 0 zero reallocated sectors suggests there is space to do reallocation 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 079 060 030Pre-fail Always - 99909120 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 082 082 000Old_age Always - 16379 almost two years of power on time 10 Spin_Retry_Count0x0013 100 100 097Pre-fail Always - 0 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 020Old_age Always - 34 183 Runtime_Bad_Block 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age Always - 0 184 End-to-End_Error0x0032 100 100 099Old_age Always - 0 187 Reported_Uncorrect 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age Always - 0 188 Command_Timeout 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age Always - 0 0 0 189 High_Fly_Writes 0x003a 100 100 000Old_age Always - 0 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022 069 063 045Old_age Always - 31 (Min/Max 26/33) 191 G-Sense_Error_Rate 0x0032 100 100
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
On 06/25/2014 11:05 AM, Dale wrote: I got a drive picked out at Newegg. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148844 slightly offtopic - i notice that the drive has a 2year limited warranty has anyone managed to get anything from hard drive warranties ?
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
On 06/25/2014 12:55:08 PM, thegeezer wrote: On 06/25/2014 11:05 AM, Dale wrote: I got a drive picked out at Newegg. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148844 slightly offtopic - i notice that the drive has a 2year limited warranty has anyone managed to get anything from hard drive warranties ? I always buy enterprise editions which have a warranty of 5 years. I had several drives which got replaced after 3-5 years. Furthermore, I have the feeling that enterprise editions have been tested more strictly. I know they are much more expensive but I even take these for my private machine. Helmut.
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
Dale wrote: I got a drive picked out at Newegg. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148844 Drive is ordered. Be here tomorrow. Yay Newegg. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 6:55 AM, thegeezer thegee...@thegeezer.net wrote: On 06/25/2014 11:05 AM, Dale wrote: I got a drive picked out at Newegg. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148844 slightly offtopic - i notice that the drive has a 2year limited warranty has anyone managed to get anything from hard drive warranties ? Yes. Most manufacturers have a hard drive warranty tool online. Just give it your serial number and it will tell you if you're eligible, and how to go about it. I know Seagate wants you to run their own testing util (which just does a SMART test and spits out a validation code which you write down). I've gotten the same sorts of errors several times now on my RAID and when it happens I just go through the warranty process, select advance replacement, swap out the drive, then return the old drive in their packaging. Typically costs me $10 for HD replacement (I have to pay return shipping only). Typically drives tend to die for me about a year after I buy them - alarmingly often, actually. Anybody who doesn't run smartmon or its equivalent is insane, as is anybody who doesn't at least run RAID, though anything valuable should be backed up. Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
thegeezer wrote: On 06/25/2014 08:49 AM, Dale wrote: thegeezer wrote: this is pretty bad. Here is the output: root@fireball / # smartctl -a /dev/sdc smartctl 6.1 2013-03-16 r3800 [x86_64-linux-3.14.0-gentoo] (local build) Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Model Family: Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 (AF) Device Model: ST3000DM001-9YN166 Serial Number:Z1F0PKT5 LU WWN Device Id: 5 000c50 04d79e15c Firmware Version: CC4C User Capacity:3,000,592,982,016 bytes [3.00 TB] Sector Sizes: 512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical Rotation Rate:7200 rpm Device is:In smartctl database [for details use: -P show] ATA Version is: ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 4 SATA Version is: SATA 3.0, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s) Local Time is:Wed Jun 25 02:46:39 2014 CDT == WARNING: A firmware update for this drive is available, see the following Seagate web pages: http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/207931en http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/223651en interesting - not seen that before might be worth a nose I was thinking the same thing myself. How does it know there is a update was another question I had. SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability. SMART support is: Enabled === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED General SMART Values: Offline data collection status: (0x00) Offline data collection activity was never started. Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled. Self-test execution status: ( 118) The previous self-test completed having the read element of the test failed. Total time to complete Offline data collection:( 584) seconds. Offline data collection capabilities:(0x73) SMART execute Offline immediate. Auto Offline data collection on/off support. Suspend Offline collection upon new command. No Offline surface scan supported. Self-test supported. Conveyance Self-test supported. Selective Self-test supported. SMART capabilities:(0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering power-saving mode. Supports SMART auto save timer. Error logging capability:(0x01) Error logging supported. General Purpose Logging supported. Short self-test routine recommended polling time:( 1) minutes. Extended self-test routine recommended polling time:( 340) minutes. Conveyance self-test routine recommended polling time:( 2) minutes. SCT capabilities: (0x3085) SCT Status supported. SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 119 099 006Pre-fail Always - 234421760 you can happily ignore this error rate, it is usual for it to be high and htere is hardware correction for it 3 Spin_Up_Time0x0003 092 092 000Pre-fail Always - 0 4 Start_Stop_Count0x0032 100 100 020Old_age Always - 33 33 power cycles seem very low but further down we see the power on time is just under two years which is also erring towards the lighter side of the mtbf About the only time I shutdown is when the power fails. My puter only pulls about 150 watts so I just leave it running 24/7. 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036Pre-fail Always - 0 zero reallocated sectors suggests there is space to do reallocation 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 079 060 030Pre-fail Always - 99909120 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 082 082 000Old_age Always - 16379 almost two years of power on time 10 Spin_Retry_Count0x0013 100 100 097Pre-fail Always - 0 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 020Old_age Always - 34 183 Runtime_Bad_Block 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age Always - 0 184 End-to-End_Error0x0032 100 100 099Old_age Always - 0 187 Reported_Uncorrect 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age Always - 0 188 Command_Timeout 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age Always - 0
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote: On 06/25/2014 12:55:08 PM, thegeezer wrote: On 06/25/2014 11:05 AM, Dale wrote: I got a drive picked out at Newegg. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148844 slightly offtopic - i notice that the drive has a 2year limited warranty has anyone managed to get anything from hard drive warranties ? I always buy enterprise editions which have a warranty of 5 years. I had several drives which got replaced after 3-5 years. Furthermore, I have the feeling that enterprise editions have been tested more strictly. I know they are much more expensive but I even take these for my private machine. And lately the warranty is just one year. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: thegeezer wrote: On 06/25/2014 08:49 AM, Dale wrote: thegeezer wrote: this says there are 104 pending sectors i.e. bad blocks on the drive that have not been reallocatd yet Wonder why it hasn't? Isn't it supposed to do that sort of thing itself? It can't relocate the sectors until it successfully reads them, or until something else writes over them. However, the last few drives I've had this happen to never really relocated things. If I scrubbed the drives mdadm would overwrite the unreadable sectors, which should trigger a relocation, but then a day or two later the errors would show up again. So, the drive firmware must be avoiding relocation or something. Either that or there is a large region of the drive that is failing (which would make sense) and I was just playing whack-a-mole with the bad sectors. In any case, if the drive is under warranty I've yet to have a complaint returning it with a copy of the smartctl output showing the failed test/etc. With advance replacement I can keep the old drive until the new one arrives. I usually just run the test manually but I sort of had family stuff going on for the past year, almost a year anyway. Sort of behind on things although I have been doing my normal updates. rc-update add smartd default I don't know that I even had to configure it - it is set to email root@localhost when there is a problem. I also run mdadm to monitor raid. I don't think anybody makes a monitor for btrfs, though my boot is mirrored across all my btrfs drives using mdadm so a drive failure should be detected in any case. I need to check up on that, though - I'd like an email if something goes wrong with btrfs storage. I ordered a drive. It should be here tomorrow. In the meantime, I shutdown and re-seated all the cables, power too. I got the test running again but results is a few hours off yet. It did pass the short test tho. I'm not sure that it means much. Short test generally doesn't do much - you need the long ones. I'd be shocked if it passed with offline uncorrectable sectors. And do check on your warranty. You can migrate all your data to the new drive, and then replace the old one as a backup disk. Either use it with raid, or as an offline backup. If you want to do raid you can set up mdadm with a degraded raid1 so that you can copy your data over from your old drive, and then when it is replaced you just partition the new one, add it to the raid, and watch it rebuild automatically. Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 08:33:37 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: Typically drives tend to die for me about a year after I buy them - alarmingly often, actually. Do you have a UPS? I used to get similar levels of failure, and not just drives,then I bought a UPS and things got much better. It seems the mains supply here is not as stable as it should be. I do not, and I can't say I was terribly thrilled with the performance with the last cheap UPS I bought. The price to do it right tends to be moderately high, so it hasn't been a priority. Perhaps I should look into it again. Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 08:33:37 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: Typically drives tend to die for me about a year after I buy them - alarmingly often, actually. Do you have a UPS? I used to get similar levels of failure, and not just drives,then I bought a UPS and things got much better. It seems the mains supply here is not as stable as it should be. -- Neil Bothwick Grow your own dope, plant a politician! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 6:55 AM, thegeezer thegee...@thegeezer.net wrote: On 06/25/2014 11:05 AM, Dale wrote: I got a drive picked out at Newegg. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148844 slightly offtopic - i notice that the drive has a 2year limited warranty has anyone managed to get anything from hard drive warranties ? Yes. Most manufacturers have a hard drive warranty tool online. Just give it your serial number and it will tell you if you're eligible, and how to go about it. I know Seagate wants you to run their own testing util (which just does a SMART test and spits out a validation code which you write down). I've gotten the same sorts of errors several times now on my RAID and when it happens I just go through the warranty process, select advance replacement, swap out the drive, then return the old drive in their packaging. Typically costs me $10 for HD replacement (I have to pay return shipping only). Typically drives tend to die for me about a year after I buy them - alarmingly often, actually. Anybody who doesn't run smartmon or its equivalent is insane, as is anybody who doesn't at least run RAID, though anything valuable should be backed up. Is it not true that you cannot run raid on consumer drives because of timing errors? -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 08:33:37 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: Typically drives tend to die for me about a year after I buy them - alarmingly often, actually. Do you have a UPS? I used to get similar levels of failure, and not just drives,then I bought a UPS and things got much better. It seems the mains supply here is not as stable as it should be. I do not, and I can't say I was terribly thrilled with the performance with the last cheap UPS I bought. The price to do it right tends to be moderately high, so it hasn't been a priority. Perhaps I should look into it again. Rich . I have had two CyberPower UPS's and been happy with them. Both still work but had to put in a set of batteries in the older one. Old one runs my TV during those frequent blinks we get here and the new one runs my puter. I usually catch them on sale for a little over $100 here. I want to get two more at some point. One for my Mom's TV and one for my sis-n-law's puter. Out of all the hard drives I have ever had, only one has failed. The smart software gave me enough warning to copy the stuff over. Maybe me having a UPS has helped on that. No way to prove it either way tho. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: thegeezer wrote: On 06/25/2014 08:49 AM, Dale wrote: thegeezer wrote: this says there are 104 pending sectors i.e. bad blocks on the drive that have not been reallocatd yet Wonder why it hasn't? Isn't it supposed to do that sort of thing itself? It can't relocate the sectors until it successfully reads them, or until something else writes over them. However, the last few drives I've had this happen to never really relocated things. If I scrubbed the drives mdadm would overwrite the unreadable sectors, which should trigger a relocation, but then a day or two later the errors would show up again. So, the drive firmware must be avoiding relocation or something. Either that or there is a large region of the drive that is failing (which would make sense) and I was just playing whack-a-mole with the bad sectors. In any case, if the drive is under warranty I've yet to have a complaint returning it with a copy of the smartctl output showing the failed test/etc. With advance replacement I can keep the old drive until the new one arrives. I'm going to bet this drive is out of warranty. I'm pretty sure it is over 2 years since I bought it. Once I replace that drive, I'll dd the thing and see what it does then. It'll either break it or give me a fresh start to play with and see how long it lasts. I usually just run the test manually but I sort of had family stuff going on for the past year, almost a year anyway. Sort of behind on things although I have been doing my normal updates. rc-update add smartd default I don't know that I even had to configure it - it is set to email root@localhost when there is a problem. I also run mdadm to monitor raid. I don't think anybody makes a monitor for btrfs, though my boot is mirrored across all my btrfs drives using mdadm so a drive failure should be detected in any case. I need to check up on that, though - I'd like an email if something goes wrong with btrfs storage. I'm using lvm here. I also don't have a mail server set up which is why I run them manually. I usually do it once a month or so but had some family issues to pop up. I ordered a drive. It should be here tomorrow. In the meantime, I shutdown and re-seated all the cables, power too. I got the test running again but results is a few hours off yet. It did pass the short test tho. I'm not sure that it means much. Short test generally doesn't do much - you need the long ones. I'd be shocked if it passed with offline uncorrectable sectors. And do check on your warranty. You can migrate all your data to the new drive, and then replace the old one as a backup disk. Either use it with raid, or as an offline backup. If you want to do raid you can set up mdadm with a degraded raid1 so that you can copy your data over from your old drive, and then when it is replaced you just partition the new one, add it to the raid, and watch it rebuild automatically. Rich I figured the short test wouldn't say much. I am backing up some of the stuff tho. I do have a 750GB drive that was empty. It won't save it all but it is a start. Test should have been done by now but I guess the copy process is slowing it down. I'm getting this so far: # 1 Extended offlineSelf-test routine in progress 70% 16387 - dale twiddles his thumbs Thanks much. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 10:54:51 -0500, Dale wrote: I'm using lvm here. I also don't have a mail server set up which is why I run them manually. Install a simple forwarding MTA like ssmtp to have al mails from cron and friends sent to your ISP mailbox. -- Neil Bothwick Beware! The end is... aaarrgh! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 11:30 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Is it not true that you cannot run raid on consumer drives because of timing errors? Yes, it is not true. :) I've never had issues running RAID on consumer drives. Sure, devices certified for RAID might spend less time trying to recover data which is a bit more optimal, but only in the situation where your drive is actually failing. If my RAID blocks on read for 30 seconds once a year when a drive is about to die I can live with that, assuming mdadm doesn't figure out it should give up sooner than that. Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm going to bet this drive is out of warranty. I'm pretty sure it is over 2 years since I bought it. Once I replace that drive, I'll dd the thing and see what it does then. It'll either break it or give me a fresh start to play with and see how long it lasts. Well, finding out for sure is a 30 second process, so up to you whether it is worth the time. smartctl will give you the serial/model number, and you punch that into a website, and it will say whether it is under warranty or not. If you plan to wipe the disk before return, print out the results of smartctl -a first, since wiping will probably clear the pending sectors. But, it is your drive, so do whatever you want with it! :) Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: firefox profile opens my web-page in https
On 06/24/14 17:25, walt wrote: On 06/24/2014 08:25 AM, Joseph wrote: On 06/23/14 18:08, Mick wrote: On Sunday 22 Jun 2014 22:52:40 Joseph wrote: I run a server and have two firefox profiles. I have ssl enabled. When I open one profile I it opens my web-page in https instead of http When I open another profile it open my webpage in http Why is first profile forcing my opening my servers page in https mode? Has one profile cached and different protocol+URL in the address bar, than the other? Does this persist if you clear the history of the profile? -- Regards, Mick No, it makes no difference. I cleared history and cache. It still tries to open my server page as https instead of http. Different profiles can have different firefox add-ons enabled. Might be worth comparing the list of add-ons in each profile. You can also run firefox -safe-mode to disable extensions and see if it makes any difference. I don't have any plug-in installed; so I'm puzzled by this behavior. -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
On Wednesday 25 Jun 2014 17:09:52 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 10:54:51 -0500, Dale wrote: I'm using lvm here. I also don't have a mail server set up which is why I run them manually. Install a simple forwarding MTA like ssmtp to have al mails from cron and friends sent to your ISP mailbox. ... and when you find out please tell us: 1) What syntax is appropriate to allow the use of mail account passwds which contain not just alphanumeric characters but also symbols like [~@#$] ? 2) How can you force it to NOT use RC4 cipher when it logs into Google Mail to relay messages, but the more secure ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 that the server proposes ? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
Am 25.06.2014 09:49, schrieb Dale: thegeezer wrote: this is pretty bad. enough to really go and get a replacement asap, and turn that disk off if you can. the self test stops at the first error it comes to and in this case it is LBA#2905482560 for calculation of where the error is check out the smartcl [1] site which will help you to mark the block bad though the data that was in that block is probably lost forever. i'd also suggest you run # smartctl -a /dev/sdc and paste the results here. the crucial rows are 196/197 the reallocated sector counts and pending sector counts. they show how many blocks have been reallocated, and also how many are pending. this will give you a scaling factor, at the moment you are in trouble, if these figures are very high you are in very high trouble, if they are low you are in low trouble. [1] http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/badblockhowto.html Here is the output: root@fireball / # smartctl -a /dev/sdc smartctl 6.1 2013-03-16 r3800 [x86_64-linux-3.14.0-gentoo] (local build) Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Model Family: Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 (AF) Device Model: ST3000DM001-9YN166 Serial Number:Z1F0PKT5 LU WWN Device Id: 5 000c50 04d79e15c Firmware Version: CC4C User Capacity:3,000,592,982,016 bytes [3.00 TB] Sector Sizes: 512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical Rotation Rate:7200 rpm Device is:In smartctl database [for details use: -P show] ATA Version is: ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 4 SATA Version is: SATA 3.0, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s) Local Time is:Wed Jun 25 02:46:39 2014 CDT == WARNING: A firmware update for this drive is available, see the following Seagate web pages: http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/207931en http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/223651en SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability. SMART support is: Enabled === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED General SMART Values: Offline data collection status: (0x00) Offline data collection activity was never started. Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled. Self-test execution status: ( 118) The previous self-test completed having the read element of the test failed. Total time to complete Offline data collection:( 584) seconds. Offline data collection capabilities:(0x73) SMART execute Offline immediate. Auto Offline data collection on/off support. Suspend Offline collection upon new command. No Offline surface scan supported. Self-test supported. Conveyance Self-test supported. Selective Self-test supported. SMART capabilities:(0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering power-saving mode. Supports SMART auto save timer. Error logging capability:(0x01) Error logging supported. General Purpose Logging supported. Short self-test routine recommended polling time:( 1) minutes. Extended self-test routine recommended polling time:( 340) minutes. Conveyance self-test routine recommended polling time:( 2) minutes. SCT capabilities: (0x3085) SCT Status supported. SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 119 099 006Pre-fail Always - 234421760 3 Spin_Up_Time0x0003 092 092 000Pre-fail Always - 0 4 Start_Stop_Count0x0032 100 100 020Old_age Always - 33 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036Pre-fail Always - 0 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 079 060 030Pre-fail Always - 99909120 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 082 082 000Old_age Always - 16379 10 Spin_Retry_Count0x0013 100 100 097Pre-fail Always - 0 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 020Old_age Always - 34 183 Runtime_Bad_Block 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age Always - 0 184 End-to-End_Error0x0032 100 100 099Old_age Always - 0 187 Reported_Uncorrect 0x0032
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: so without looking that drive up - you are using a desktop part for non-stop setup? Honestly, I think it makes far more sense to build a fault-tolerant setup than to try to avoid faults by spending more on the parts. I've only run desktop hard drives on my 24x7 RAID. If they die I replace them under warranty - I've yet to have one die outside of warranty, and I'm usually upgrading for size by that timeframe anyway, and I can use the old drives for storage. By all means get better-grade components, but I wouldn't use that as an excuse for not having backups of some kind. ALL hard drives WILL fail, it is just a matter of when. ANY hard drive can fail the day after you buy it, a month after you buy it, and so on, though obviously the probability of a particular drive failing at any point in time may vary by what you pay for it. I'd buy a more expensive drive only if the TCO is actually lower. I'd engineer any system to accept the failure of at least one drive, and for any data I actually cared about I'd engineer the system to resist fire, the rm star, and so on. Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
Am 25.06.2014 19:06, schrieb Rich Freeman: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: so without looking that drive up - you are using a desktop part for non-stop setup? Honestly, I think it makes far more sense to build a fault-tolerant setup than to try to avoid faults by spending more on the parts. I've only run desktop hard drives on my 24x7 RAID. If they die I replace them under warranty so you are ripping of other customers? - I've yet to have one die outside of warranty, and I'm usually upgrading for size by that timeframe anyway, and I can use the old drives for storage. By all means get better-grade components, but I wouldn't use that as an excuse for not having backups of some kind. there is no excuse for not having backups. ALL hard drives WILL fail, it is just a matter of when. indeed. ANY hard drive can fail the day after you buy it, a month after you buy it, and so on, though obviously the probability of a particular drive failing at any point in time may vary by what you pay for it. or if it was meant to be used the way you use it.
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:44:48 +0100, Mick wrote: Install a simple forwarding MTA like ssmtp to have all mails from cron and friends sent to your ISP mailbox. ... and when you find out please tell us: 1) What syntax is appropriate to allow the use of mail account passwds which contain not just alphanumeric characters but also symbols like [~@#$] ? 2) How can you force it to NOT use RC4 cipher when it logs into Google Mail to relay messages, but the more secure ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 that the server proposes ? It's debatable whether either of those scenarios fall within the definition of simple. If something that simple won't do what you want, and there are several to try: ssmtp, esmtp, nullmailer etc, then you may need to use the likes of Postfix - but for Dale's situation, a lightweight forwarder is better than not being able to monitor his system. -- Neil Bothwick I thought the 10 commandments were multiple choice. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: firefox profile opens my web-page in https
On Wednesday 25 Jun 2014 17:42:01 Joseph wrote: On 06/24/14 17:25, walt wrote: On 06/24/2014 08:25 AM, Joseph wrote: On 06/23/14 18:08, Mick wrote: On Sunday 22 Jun 2014 22:52:40 Joseph wrote: I run a server and have two firefox profiles. I have ssl enabled. When I open one profile I it opens my web-page in https instead of http When I open another profile it open my webpage in http Why is first profile forcing my opening my servers page in https mode? Has one profile cached and different protocol+URL in the address bar, than the other? Does this persist if you clear the history of the profile? -- Regards, Mick No, it makes no difference. I cleared history and cache. It still tries to open my server page as https instead of http. Different profiles can have different firefox add-ons enabled. Might be worth comparing the list of add-ons in each profile. You can also run firefox -safe-mode to disable extensions and see if it makes any difference. I don't have any plug-in installed; so I'm puzzled by this behavior. Do your settings for session-cookies differ between the two profiles? Otherwise I'm running out of ideas. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 25.06.2014 19:06, schrieb Rich Freeman: Honestly, I think it makes far more sense to build a fault-tolerant setup than to try to avoid faults by spending more on the parts. I've only run desktop hard drives on my 24x7 RAID. If they die I replace them under warranty so you are ripping of other customers? I certainly am not aware of any warranty terms I'm violating. I just spot checked a drive warranty and it makes no mention of excluding continuous use, and the drive specifications do not contain any exclusions for continuous use. The SMART data in the drives I've returned contains both the number of power cycles and power-on time, and I've yet to have a manufacturer question either. To exclude continuous operation their warranty would have to specify just how many hours per day their drives can be operated for. ANY hard drive can fail the day after you buy it, a month after you buy it, and so on, though obviously the probability of a particular drive failing at any point in time may vary by what you pay for it. or if it was meant to be used the way you use it. Like I said, I'm certainly interested in any actual data that supports that drives sold to run 24x7 last any longer than desktop drives when run 24x7. Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
On 25/06/2014 17:30, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 6:55 AM, thegeezer thegee...@thegeezer.net wrote: On 06/25/2014 11:05 AM, Dale wrote: I got a drive picked out at Newegg. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148844 slightly offtopic - i notice that the drive has a 2year limited warranty has anyone managed to get anything from hard drive warranties ? Yes. Most manufacturers have a hard drive warranty tool online. Just give it your serial number and it will tell you if you're eligible, and how to go about it. I know Seagate wants you to run their own testing util (which just does a SMART test and spits out a validation code which you write down). I've gotten the same sorts of errors several times now on my RAID and when it happens I just go through the warranty process, select advance replacement, swap out the drive, then return the old drive in their packaging. Typically costs me $10 for HD replacement (I have to pay return shipping only). Typically drives tend to die for me about a year after I buy them - alarmingly often, actually. Anybody who doesn't run smartmon or its equivalent is insane, as is anybody who doesn't at least run RAID, though anything valuable should be backed up. Is it not true that you cannot run raid on consumer drives because of timing errors? That sounds like something EMC and WD/Seagate would say. There's no reason in the world not to use consumer drives for RAID - unless you plan to add the drives to those obscenely expensive full-rack SAN jobs vendors want folk to buy. The reason consumer drives tend not to work in those arrays has nothing to do with the performance of the drive itself. The manufacturers flip a bit in the firmware and without that signature the array hardware often will not use the drive. It often really is as simple as that. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
[gentoo-user] Re: ssh rekeying slow ?
Stefan G. Weichinger lists at xunil.at writes: When I ssh into a server in my basement, this takes way more time than usual. Does anyone have an idea what I could do to fix that? ssh has an ordered array of negotiations between systems that are related to the version numbers of ssh and the other configurations. There is usually a mismatch, when it takes too long to start a session, in my experience. I did not look at the specifics you posted. hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ssh rekeying slow ?
Am 25.06.2014 20:30, schrieb James: Stefan G. Weichinger lists at xunil.at writes: When I ssh into a server in my basement, this takes way more time than usual. Does anyone have an idea what I could do to fix that? ssh has an ordered array of negotiations between systems that are related to the version numbers of ssh and the other configurations. There is usually a mismatch, when it takes too long to start a session, in my experience. I did not look at the specifics you posted. both servers/machines run net-misc/openssh-6.6.1_p1 ... re-compiled right today.
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 7:03 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: I don't think anybody makes a monitor for btrfs, though my boot is mirrored across all my btrfs drives using mdadm so a drive failure should be detected in any case. I need to check up on that, though - I'd like an email if something goes wrong with btrfs storage. You're going to want to cron a 'scrub' and have it email you. There's no background daemon that I'm aware of to handle this. ZFS just introduced 'zed' and it would be nice if BTRFS would do the same -- Douglas J Hunley (doug.hun...@gmail.com) Twitter: @hunleyd Web: about.me/douglas_hunley G+: http://google.com/+DouglasHunley
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Douglas J Hunley doug.hun...@gmail.com wrote: You're going to want to cron a 'scrub' and have it email you. There's no background daemon that I'm aware of to handle this. ZFS just introduced 'zed' and it would be nice if BTRFS would do the same Actually, I think that for serious failures smartd will take care of it. I was reading the btrfs list archives and apparently btrfs doesn't make as much as a whisper when a drive fails. It just keeps on going. Now, the keeps on going part I'm fine with, but you'd think that operating in a degraded mode would trigger some kind of message. Granted, it isn't 100% done yet, either. In fact, if your replace the failed drive you have to manually force a re-balance or it will just continue to operate degraded. Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: firefox profile opens my web-page in https
On 06/25/14 18:30, Mick wrote: On Wednesday 25 Jun 2014 17:42:01 Joseph wrote: On 06/24/14 17:25, walt wrote: On 06/24/2014 08:25 AM, Joseph wrote: On 06/23/14 18:08, Mick wrote: On Sunday 22 Jun 2014 22:52:40 Joseph wrote: I run a server and have two firefox profiles. I have ssl enabled. When I open one profile I it opens my web-page in https instead of http When I open another profile it open my webpage in http Why is first profile forcing my opening my servers page in https mode? Has one profile cached and different protocol+URL in the address bar, than the other? Does this persist if you clear the history of the profile? -- Regards, Mick No, it makes no difference. I cleared history and cache. It still tries to open my server page as https instead of http. Different profiles can have different firefox add-ons enabled. Might be worth comparing the list of add-ons in each profile. You can also run firefox -safe-mode to disable extensions and see if it makes any difference. I don't have any plug-in installed; so I'm puzzled by this behavior. Do your settings for session-cookies differ between the two profiles? Otherwise I'm running out of ideas. -- Regards, Mick Cookies are the same on both profiles allow for session I'm running out of ideas as well. -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ssh rekeying slow ?
On 25/06/2014 20:41, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 25.06.2014 20:30, schrieb James: Stefan G. Weichinger lists at xunil.at writes: When I ssh into a server in my basement, this takes way more time than usual. Does anyone have an idea what I could do to fix that? ssh has an ordered array of negotiations between systems that are related to the version numbers of ssh and the other configurations. There is usually a mismatch, when it takes too long to start a session, in my experience. I did not look at the specifics you posted. both servers/machines run net-misc/openssh-6.6.1_p1 ... re-compiled right today. I've also noticed slowdowns recently, I think it's the new ciphers likes ecdsa. Try this: Connect using ssh -vvv and examine the output to find which of the various ciphers and algorithms are used once connection is achieved. On the client, add those configuration options for the server to ssh_config. You should notice a speed up on the next attempt as unused methods will be skipped man 5 ssh_config has all the details -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ssh rekeying slow ?
Am 25.06.2014 21:49, schrieb Alan McKinnon: I've also noticed slowdowns recently, I think it's the new ciphers likes ecdsa. Try this: Connect using ssh -vvv and examine the output to find which of the various ciphers and algorithms are used once connection is achieved. On the client, add those configuration options for the server to ssh_config. You should notice a speed up on the next attempt as unused methods will be skipped man 5 ssh_config has all the details ;-) thanks, Alan. Did you already find out what options to set? Aside from that, I wonder why we as users have to do that and why it isn't set up as good as possible by the coders of openssh. I will see if I can figure out what to do ... Stefan
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: so without looking that drive up - you are using a desktop part for non-stop setup? If I recall correctly, the last drive that died was a more expensive type of drive, intended for a server setup. So far, the cheaper drives are the ones that have lasted until I outgrew them. So far, I have yet to ever have a drive die under warranty. So far. I need to check on this one but will do that after I get things changed out. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: firefox profile opens my web-page in https
On Wednesday 25 Jun 2014 19:54:51 Joseph wrote: On 06/25/14 18:30, Mick wrote: On Wednesday 25 Jun 2014 17:42:01 Joseph wrote: On 06/24/14 17:25, walt wrote: On 06/24/2014 08:25 AM, Joseph wrote: On 06/23/14 18:08, Mick wrote: On Sunday 22 Jun 2014 22:52:40 Joseph wrote: I run a server and have two firefox profiles. I have ssl enabled. When I open one profile I it opens my web-page in https instead of http When I open another profile it open my webpage in http Why is first profile forcing my opening my servers page in https mode? Has one profile cached and different protocol+URL in the address bar, than the other? Does this persist if you clear the history of the profile? -- Regards, Mick No, it makes no difference. I cleared history and cache. It still tries to open my server page as https instead of http. Different profiles can have different firefox add-ons enabled. Might be worth comparing the list of add-ons in each profile. You can also run firefox -safe-mode to disable extensions and see if it makes any difference. I don't have any plug-in installed; so I'm puzzled by this behavior. Do your settings for session-cookies differ between the two profiles? Otherwise I'm running out of ideas. Cookies are the same on both profiles allow for session I'm running out of ideas as well. Logically, the server gets a 'GET / HTTP/1.1' request from the client and responds to it in the same way, irrespective of the client. If you are running some clever authentication and javascript/php on the server, then the request could be tested for the browser capabilities and serve different page content accordingly. Do you see a difference in the initial exchange of: GET / HTTP/1.1 -- HTTP/1.1 200 OK -- when you use 'tcpflow -c -i eth0' between the two profiles? Note if the browser starts an TLS negotiation then all the content will be encrypted. Otherwise you should be able to see what attributes it sends to the server, e.g. Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,image/webp,*/*;q=0.8 and what the server responds in each case. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 01:44:23 PM Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann ANY hard drive can fail the day after you buy it, a month after you buy it, and so on, though obviously the probability of a particular drive failing at any point in time may vary by what you pay for it. or if it was meant to be used the way you use it. Like I said, I'm certainly interested in any actual data that supports that drives sold to run 24x7 last any longer than desktop drives when run 24x7. Not hard data, but while still using desktop drives, I had a drive failure on average once or twice a year. Now with enterprise 24x7 drives, the failure rate has dropped to 1 in the past 3 years. That is, for both, using proper UPS equipment. Additionally, I noticed a definite speed increase after switching to enterprise disks. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ssh rekeying slow ?
On 25/06/2014 23:10, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 25.06.2014 21:49, schrieb Alan McKinnon: I've also noticed slowdowns recently, I think it's the new ciphers likes ecdsa. Try this: Connect using ssh -vvv and examine the output to find which of the various ciphers and algorithms are used once connection is achieved. On the client, add those configuration options for the server to ssh_config. You should notice a speed up on the next attempt as unused methods will be skipped man 5 ssh_config has all the details ;-) thanks, Alan. Did you already find out what options to set? No, only you can do that. You have to run ssh -vvv and eyeball the output, see what your machines are using. Then add those config settings to ssh_config Aside from that, I wonder why we as users have to do that and why it isn't set up as good as possible by the coders of openssh. Because the openssh developers have no idea what you set up and cannot possibly know. The phrase as good as possible has no meaning here as the options out there in the wild as whatever they happen to be. I will see if I can figure out what to do ... ssh -vvv then look -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ssh rekeying slow ?
Am 25.06.2014 23:10, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: I will see if I can figure out what to do ... To me it looks as if my issue is related to this line in the logs: Jun 25 23:30:45 mythtv sshd[5387]: pam_systemd(sshd:session): Failed to create session: Connection timed out hmm ...
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ssh rekeying slow ?
Am 25.06.2014 23:31, schrieb Alan McKinnon: Because the openssh developers have no idea what you set up and cannot possibly know. The phrase as good as possible has no meaning here as the options out there in the wild as whatever they happen to be. Having users installing their software with the default config isn't that wild or unpredictable for them, I assume. anyway Stefan
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ssh rekeying slow ?
Am 25.06.2014 23:31, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Am 25.06.2014 23:10, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: I will see if I can figure out what to do ... To me it looks as if my issue is related to this line in the logs: Jun 25 23:30:45 mythtv sshd[5387]: pam_systemd(sshd:session): Failed to create session: Connection timed out hmm ... yes. edited /etc/pam.d/system-auth and commented this line (to be disabled): #-sessionoptionalpam_systemd.so Immediate logins now. Other people on the web face(d) that as well, according to google. S
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ssh rekeying slow ?
On Wednesday 25 Jun 2014 22:10:42 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 25.06.2014 21:49, schrieb Alan McKinnon: I've also noticed slowdowns recently, I think it's the new ciphers likes ecdsa. Try this: Connect using ssh -vvv and examine the output to find which of the various ciphers and algorithms are used once connection is achieved. On the client, add those configuration options for the server to ssh_config. You should notice a speed up on the next attempt as unused methods will be skipped man 5 ssh_config has all the details ;-) thanks, Alan. Did you already find out what options to set? Aside from that, I wonder why we as users have to do that and why it isn't set up as good as possible by the coders of openssh. Because the as good as possible datum is being redefined post Snowden. I will see if I can figure out what to do ... The Better Crypto team suggest: Ciphers chacha20-poly1...@openssh.com,aes256-...@openssh.com,aes128- g...@openssh.com,aes256-ctr,aes128-ctr MACs hmac-sha2-512-...@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256-...@openssh.com,umac-128- e...@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-512,hmac-sha2-256,hmac-ripemd160 KexAlgorithms curve25519-sha...@libssh.org,diffie-hellman-group-exchange- sha256,diffie-hellman-group14-sha1,diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1 The above may be OTT for ssh connections between machines within a trusted LAN. As has already been mentioned if you choose your favourite crypto and strip out all the rest, then the negotiation ought to be faster between modern PCs. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ssh rekeying slow ?
James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Stefan G. Weichinger lists at xunil.at writes: When I ssh into a server in my basement, this takes way more time than usual. Does anyone have an idea what I could do to fix that? ssh has an ordered array of negotiations between systems that are related to the version numbers of ssh and the other configurations. There is usually a mismatch, when it takes too long to start a session, in my experience. I did not look at the specifics you posted. I had a problem like that and solved it by changine UseDNS no because it is trying to look for reverse dns pointers. This is done on the hosts /etc/ssh/sshd_config . -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:44:48 +0100, Mick wrote: Install a simple forwarding MTA like ssmtp to have all mails from cron and friends sent to your ISP mailbox. ... and when you find out please tell us: 1) What syntax is appropriate to allow the use of mail account passwds which contain not just alphanumeric characters but also symbols like [~@#$] ? 2) How can you force it to NOT use RC4 cipher when it logs into Google Mail to relay messages, but the more secure ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 that the server proposes ? It's debatable whether either of those scenarios fall within the definition of simple. If something that simple won't do what you want, and there are several to try: ssmtp, esmtp, nullmailer etc, then you may need to use the likes of Postfix - but for Dale's situation, a lightweight forwarder is better than not being able to monitor his system. I have to say, I dread setting up a mail server about as bad as I dread going to the Doctor. It's just something I really don't want to add to my system unless I have to. It's sort of like the init thingy. I don't want to add something else that will eventually break and I'll have to fix. The mail system won't keep me from booting but it is just one more thing to keep a eye on and make sure it is working. So, making sure the mail system is working will likely take up the same amount of time that checking the drive manually every month or so will take. The only good part is, and this is the point you are making so well, even tho I had other things going on, it would have been testing my drive and spit out a error to get my attention. Going back, the error has been there for a while. It would have been nice to know this before now. Hindsight again. ;-) What I really need to do, set up a RAID or some other backup method so that even if this happens again, I don't risk losing anything. Then again, that will take time as well. Also takes money. From df -h: Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/home-home 2.7T 1.5T 1.3T 56% /home Most of that is recorded TV shows, movies etc. I also have some pics I took with my camera that can't be replaced. Those I backup to DVDs pretty regular. I use kbackup to tarball them and then burn them to DVDs. It works. One set is outside the home in case of fire. The biggest thing is some of those shows would be hard to get again plus the effort to get them as well. Let's hope it lasts until at least tomorrow. I bet it takes a while to copy all that tho. O_O Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ssh rekeying slow ?
Am 25.06.2014 23:45, schrieb cov...@ccs.covici.com: I had a problem like that and solved it by changine UseDNS no because it is trying to look for reverse dns pointers. This is done on the hosts /etc/ssh/sshd_config . Tried/tested a few hours ago. No change. pam_systemd is (or seems to be) the reason, see my other posting. Stefan
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: What I really need to do, set up a RAID or some other backup method so that even if this happens again, I don't risk losing anything. Then again, that will take time as well. Also takes money. Keep in mind that RAID is more about speed of recovery and protects against the failure mode of total drive failure, which is a fairly common failure mode. A hard drive failure on a RAID involves no unplanned downtime, and a need for some short planned downtime to replace the drive. Backup protects against a lot more, but typically results in a recovery that takes hours, and when the drive goes you're down without warning. Most of that is recorded TV shows, movies etc. I also have some pics I took with my camera that can't be replaced. Those I backup to DVDs pretty regular. I use kbackup to tarball them and then burn them to DVDs. It works. One set is outside the home in case of fire. The biggest thing is some of those shows would be hard to get again plus the effort to get them as well. So, stuff like photos I backup to the cloud, or to offsite media (generally I favor the cloud for active stuff, and offsite media for stuff I'm done with). Ditto for things like /etc, mysql, documents, email, and other small but important things. For stuff like MythTV recordings I used to just rely on RAID - recognizing that there was a very real possibility that I could lose them all. Now I also do a backup to a drive that is normally left unmounted, which isn't great, but since I moved to btrfs I wanted something on ext4 that had daily rsnapshots. Again, I'm willing to risk losing this stuff. Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ssh rekeying slow ?
Am 26.06.2014 00:20, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: pam_systemd is (or seems to be) the reason, see my other posting. maybe it would be also solved by upgrading to the (in terms of gentoo) unstable version 214 of systemd: # equery b pam_systemd.so * Searching for pam_systemd.so ... sys-apps/systemd-212-r5 (/lib64/security/pam_systemd.so) I will check tomorrow or so, late here. Stefan
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:16:17 -0500, Dale wrote: Install a simple forwarding MTA like ssmtp to have all mails from cron and friends sent to your ISP mailbox. I have to say, I dread setting up a mail server about as bad as I dread going to the Doctor. It's just something I really don't want to add to my system unless I have to. Which is why I suggesting something like ssmtp, which you can't call a server, it just forwards. Often the only configuration needed is changing one line in ssmtp.conf, to the address of your ISP's mail server. That's it, now any program can send mail using sendmail and it just goes to your ISP mailbox. -- Neil Bothwick God said, div D = rho, div B = 0, curl E = - @B/@t, curl H = J + @D/@t, and there was light. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ssh rekeying slow ?
Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Am 25.06.2014 23:45, schrieb cov...@ccs.covici.com: I had a problem like that and solved it by changine UseDNS no because it is trying to look for reverse dns pointers. This is done on the hosts /etc/ssh/sshd_config . Tried/tested a few hours ago. No change. pam_systemd is (or seems to be) the reason, see my other posting. hmmm, I don't even have that file, I guess I am glad. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
On 26/06/14 06:16, Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:44:48 +0100, Mick wrote: Install a simple forwarding MTA like ssmtp to have all mails from cron and friends sent to your ISP mailbox. ... and when you find out please tell us: What I really need to do, set up a RAID or some other backup method so that even if this happens again, I don't risk losing anything. Then again, that will take time as well. Also takes money. Repeat after me ... RAID IS NOT A BACKUP There are many ways to do a backup - various raid forms, mirrors etc can help in some (and only some) instances but only a spatially separated copy of the data is relatively safe. Have two computers? - cross backup between them. (keep an old machine as a file server in the back room, start it up a couple of times a week and run a backup script - can even be automated) Have a friend/relative nearby? - take your PC over, create a backup and then sync the differences across the net using rsync etc - most normal people do fill up todays large disks, or have large personal valuable data requirements. You dont need to backup the whole machine, just the valuable bits (configs, personal data, email archives, ...) There are many ways to do it - if you only have one disk and no backups, the data by definition is not valuable :) Ive just been caught by an old 1G WD green drive failing (possibly the MB's fault as the sata interface died as well - seen a few of those now!) that took out the middle drive from a striped LVM. Didnt bother to recover, just built a new machine from leftover bits, bought another drive and rebuilt it using btrfs raid 1 on the two orignal WD 2G green drives and a new WD red, and restored from backups on another machine - over the years this type of event has happened a few times - you only need to get burnt once to learn!. BillK
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
Hello, On Wed, 25 Jun 2014, Dale wrote: thegeezer wrote: On 06/25/2014 08:49 AM, Dale wrote: Device Model: ST3000DM001-9YN166 I have (had sort of) the same disc, with the same FW. see the following Seagate web pages: http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/207931en http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/223651en interesting - not seen that before might be worth a nose I was thinking the same thing myself. How does it know there is a update was another question I had. Those FW-Updates do _NOT_ apply to FW-Version 9YN166. From what I found, you'd brick the drive. The smartctl DB does not take the FW-version into account, just the model, to display above notice. 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 079 060 030Pre-fail Always - 99909120 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 082 082 000Old_age Always - 16379 almost two years of power on time looks familiar 4 Start_Stop_Count0x0032 100 100 020Old_age Always 915 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 072 060 030Pre-fail Always 19309568 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 088 088 000Old_age Always 11351 [..] 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0012 100 100 000Old_age Always - 104 197 this says there are 104 pending sectors i.e. bad blocks on the drive that have not been reallocatd yet Wonder why it hasn't? Isn't it supposed to do that sort of thing itself? 198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0010 100 100 000Old_age Offline - 104 this says it was not able to reallocate. which is odd because of the entry 5 being zero Uh oh. Yeah. Oh, and I had a clean smart until a few days ago, luckily I alread had a WD Red (WD40EFRX) drive waiting when this attrib jumped from 0 to: 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 087 087 036Pre-fail Always 17688 Other Seagates (a few 1.5T drives) have also made me trouble, the 2T Samsung already relabeled and sold as a Seagate but with Samsung in the FW though is still ok. [..] I ordered a drive. It should be here tomorrow. In the meantime, I shutdown and re-seated all the cables, power too. I got the test running again but results is a few hours off yet. It did pass the short test tho. I'm not sure that it means much. Good. Do not use dd, it WILL fail at the first error. Use gnu ddrescue or dd_rescue to grab an image. I used mc to copy via filesystem, eg. 'rsync -auxlPRAXSHD /foo/ /bar/' is fine too. Oh, and I hope you didn't buy a Seagate again ;) -dnh -- The sigmonster ate my sig and all I got was this stupid tagline.
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
On 06/25/2014 10:44 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: Like I said, I'm certainly interested in any actual data that supports that drives sold to run 24x7 last any longer than desktop drives when run 24x7. Anecdotal, but... In 2008 I bought four 24x7 drives (500GB) and eight regular drives to be used in raid. Out of the eight regular drives, six failed before 4 years was up. All of the 24x7 drives are still in use (although I don't remember which machine(s) they're in now), six years later. All Seagate. I initially did do warranty replacement on the failed drives (all drives had 5 year warranty back then), and out of the six replacements, four failed a little over three months in. At that point I went and bought a real battery backed raid card (computer still has a UPS) with WD enterprise drives and no hiccups of any kind in about two years. And disk performance is way, way up. Dan
Re: [gentoo-user] sys-power/upower with systemd
On Tue, Jun 24 2014, Marc Joliet wrote: Am Mon, 23 Jun 2014 20:39:13 -0400 schrieb gottl...@nyu.edu: I think I had first misinterpreted the news msg, but want to be sure I do understand it correctly now. The message ends with All non-systemd users are recommended to choose between: # emerge --oneshot --noreplace 'sys-power/upower-pm-utils' or # emerge --oneshot --noreplace '=sys-power/upower-0.99.0' However, all systemd users are recommended to stay with sys-power/upower. I first read stay with sys-power/upower to mean systemd users should NOT do any of the two options for non-systemd users and let portage do its thing. However, portage want to replace upower with upower-pm-utils, which I am pretty sure is not intended for systemd users. Is the proper reading of the news message, that the systemd users should use the second option available for non-systemd users? Specifically am I to execute # emerge --oneshot --noreplace '=sys-power/upower-0.99.0' ? Um, personally, I think the message is extremely clear: non-systemd users should choose between the first two options, and systemd users should just stick with plain upower, regardless of version (although there is only one ATM, the older one is masked now). I am embarrassed to say that I am still having trouble with this upower business. My profile is .../gnome/systemd and I have the init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX so I am using systemd. right now I have sys-power/upower-0.9.23-r3 installed (the only version below 0.99) and sys-power/upower-pm-utils NOT installed. If I try to update world (see below), portage wants to install sys-power/upower-pm-utils and uninstall sys-power/upower. The output (below) suggests that gnome-shell requires this, but I read the gnome-shell ebuild as permitting my current sys-power/upower-0.9.23-r3 as an alternative. If I try to # emerge --oneshot --noreplace '=sys-power/upower-0.99.0' I get a conflict since several gnome packages (e.g. gnome-shell) explicitly want upower-0.99 Am I supposed to package-mask sys-power/upower-pm-utils? The results shown are on a stable amd64 system (my previous msg concerned another system that I am slowly converting from testing to stable, but this msg only involves a fully stable system). thanks in advance, allan allan ~ # emerge --keep-going --update --changed-use @world These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild U ] x11-wm/sawfish-1.9.1-r2 [1.9.1-r1] USE=emacs%* nls -xinerama 2,556 kB [nomerge ] gnome-base/gnome-3.10.0:2.0 USE=bluetooth cdr classic cups extras -accessibility [nomerge ] gnome-base/gnome-shell-3.10.4-r2 USE=bluetooth i18n networkmanager (-openrc-force) PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7 [nomerge ] sys-power/upower-pm-utils-0.9.23-r2 USE=introspection -ios [blocks b ]sys-power/upower (sys-power/upower is blocking sys-power/upower-pm-utils-0.9.23-r2) [uninstall ] sys-power/upower-0.9.23-r3 USE=introspection -doc -ios [ebuild N ] sys-power/upower-pm-utils-0.9.23-r2 USE=introspection -ios 0 kB
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: What I really need to do, set up a RAID or some other backup method so that even if this happens again, I don't risk losing anything. Then again, that will take time as well. Also takes money. Keep in mind that RAID is more about speed of recovery and protects against the failure mode of total drive failure, which is a fairly common failure mode. A hard drive failure on a RAID involves no unplanned downtime, and a need for some short planned downtime to replace the drive. Backup protects against a lot more, but typically results in a recovery that takes hours, and when the drive goes you're down without warning. True. My issue with RAID is that it is yet another thing I have to maintain. I started using lvm and so far, it has been low maintenance and has made changing things MUCH easier when I do need to move things around a bit. It is a time saver to be more accurate. RAID also leaves me open to theft, house fire and such too. At the moment, I think, like you, having a external drive that I keep somewhere else is the safest method. Thing is, getting a drive big enough to do this. Buying this drive put a dent in my debt. That said, I really need to buy another drive if this old one turns out to be bad and set up some sort of backup plan. If it turns out to be OK somehow, then I may have a solution, maybe. While I don't want to lose anything, my camera pics is the most important to keep. That's why I rotate backups and keep one set outside the house. I would rather not lose my videos and could get most of them back but it won't be easy for sure. Most of that is recorded TV shows, movies etc. I also have some pics I took with my camera that can't be replaced. Those I backup to DVDs pretty regular. I use kbackup to tarball them and then burn them to DVDs. It works. One set is outside the home in case of fire. The biggest thing is some of those shows would be hard to get again plus the effort to get them as well. So, stuff like photos I backup to the cloud, or to offsite media (generally I favor the cloud for active stuff, and offsite media for stuff I'm done with). Ditto for things like /etc, mysql, documents, email, and other small but important things. For stuff like MythTV recordings I used to just rely on RAID - recognizing that there was a very real possibility that I could lose them all. Now I also do a backup to a drive that is normally left unmounted, which isn't great, but since I moved to btrfs I wanted something on ext4 that had daily rsnapshots. Again, I'm willing to risk losing this stuff. Rich I don't have anything on the cloud to backup too. That would likely be a good idea but I can't afford anything pricey, which is why I hadn't bought a backup drive before now either. Plus, something I'd prefer to keep under my thumb. Heck, some things here are encrypted, bank info and such. Also, while I have DSL, it ain't real speedy. Backing up that much data over my connection could take a while, like days, maybe even a week or more. I really do need a plan that I can manage to put in place tho. Murphy's law and all. :-D Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm going to bet this drive is out of warranty. I'm pretty sure it is over 2 years since I bought it. Once I replace that drive, I'll dd the thing and see what it does then. It'll either break it or give me a fresh start to play with and see how long it lasts. Well, finding out for sure is a 30 second process, so up to you whether it is worth the time. smartctl will give you the serial/model number, and you punch that into a website, and it will say whether it is under warranty or not. If you plan to wipe the disk before return, print out the results of smartctl -a first, since wiping will probably clear the pending sectors. But, it is your drive, so do whatever you want with it! :) Rich I do plan to check and see if it is under warranty. I'll do that after I get things moved over and can test a bit more. Who knows, it could be Murphy and he will just leave at some point. ;-) I'm pretty sure this drive is close to three years old tho. Heck, I can go look at the Newegg order history and find out. I would think the manufacturer goes by the date made where a invoice dated later would tend to slide that out further. Either way, I'll find out. If it is under warranty and can be swapped out, that would solve a few issues. I'll have one backup drive at least. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Rich Freeman wrote: I don't have anything on the cloud to backup too. That would likely be a good idea but I can't afford anything pricey, which is why I hadn't bought a backup drive before now either. Plus, something I'd prefer to keep under my thumb. Heck, some things here are encrypted, bank info and such. Also, while I have DSL, it ain't real speedy. Backing up that much data over my connection could take a while, like days, maybe even a week or more. I put my backups on Amazon S3 reduced-redundancy - it is a few cents per GB per month. I think I have something like 20-30GB backed up. Oh, if you need to actually retrieve it that will cost you 10 cents per GB, but frankly if my house burned down that would be the least of my concerns. I'd only use the cloud to back up critical data. If you want to back up your mythtv and mp3 collection, then you're going to be uploading a LOT of data and paying quite a bit to store it. If you want to be storing TB of data offsite there are better ways of doing it. The advantage of something like S3 is that it is always there, which means you stick a duplicity script in your crontab and just periodically check up on it. You don't have to remember to do your backups. It just isn't practical to use it for more than a few dozen GB depending on your incremental strategy. I also have a 50Mbps outbound connection, which doesn't hurt. Your next best option is to find a friend with similar needs and give each other a place to upload your encrypted backups to. That will just cost you drive space, but if you're both planning on backing up 1TB of data it will still cost you the one-time drive purchase. If you want a quick cloud-capable backup solution, I'd look at duplicity. I just wish it had options for Google Drive (it supposedly does, but as far as I can tell it doesn't work, at least not with a two factor application password). Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
Neil Bothwick wrote: I have to say, I dread setting up a mail server about as bad as I dread going to the Doctor. It's just something I really don't want to add to my system unless I have to. Which is why I suggesting something like ssmtp, which you can't call a server, it just forwards. Often the only configuration needed is changing one line in ssmtp.conf, to the address of your ISP's mail server. That's it, now any program can send mail using sendmail and it just goes to your ISP mailbox. I like this part: Extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system to a Mailhub ^ That part right up there. :-D That may be a new thread, if needed. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
Bill Kenworthy wrote: On 26/06/14 06:16, Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:44:48 +0100, Mick wrote: Install a simple forwarding MTA like ssmtp to have all mails from cron and friends sent to your ISP mailbox. ... and when you find out please tell us: What I really need to do, set up a RAID or some other backup method so that even if this happens again, I don't risk losing anything. Then again, that will take time as well. Also takes money. Repeat after me ... RAID IS NOT A BACKUP I agree with that. Power supply goes nuts and burns out the whole puter. RAID won't help that. House catches fire, ooops. Thief steals puter, uh oh. That list could go on for a while. About the only thing it does is allow quick recovery from a failing/dead drive. Basically. It's good at that from what I have read. There are many ways to do a backup - various raid forms, mirrors etc can help in some (and only some) instances but only a spatially separated copy of the data is relatively safe. Have two computers? - cross backup between them. (keep an old machine as a file server in the back room, start it up a couple of times a week and run a backup script - can even be automated) I do have a old puter at the moment. I thought about sticking it in a outbuilding and just turning it on to do backups then shutting it back down. That puts distance between house and outbuilding too. Thing is, I plan to let a family member use it when I can get around to getting a new case for it. I guess I could use any old slow junky puter with a LARGE drive in it. Have a friend/relative nearby? - take your PC over, create a backup and then sync the differences across the net using rsync etc - most normal people do fill up todays large disks, or have large personal valuable data requirements. You dont need to backup the whole machine, just the valuable bits (configs, personal data, email archives, ...) There are many ways to do it - if you only have one disk and no backups, the data by definition is not valuable :) Ive just been caught by an old 1G WD green drive failing (possibly the MB's fault as the sata interface died as well - seen a few of those now!) that took out the middle drive from a striped LVM. Didnt bother to recover, just built a new machine from leftover bits, bought another drive and rebuilt it using btrfs raid 1 on the two orignal WD 2G green drives and a new WD red, and restored from backups on another machine - over the years this type of event has happened a few times - you only need to get burnt once to learn!. BillK I do backup what I know can't be replaced at all. My camera pics can't be replaced since they are not anywhere else. Some other things here that are nowhere else I can live without, just would rather not if I can help it. I never backup the OS. I just reinstall it if needed. Generally, I try to keep a copy of /etc and the world file. I'll copy /etc over and use the world file as a guide on what to install on the new install. Heck, I can install Kubuntu in a hour or less. Then I can install Gentoo from that while doing my usual puter activities. I had a WD 80GB drive to fail several years ago. That's the only drive I have ever had to fail on me tho. It spit out errors and I was able to do backups and save the data before it died for good. I can't recall the exact error but it mentioned '24 hours' and 'right now'. It didn't miss it by much either. Just imagine if we had no tools to warn us of a failure at all. That would suck. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
David Haller wrote: Hello, On Wed, 25 Jun 2014, Dale wrote: Yeah. Oh, and I had a clean smart until a few days ago, luckily I alread had a WD Red (WD40EFRX) drive waiting when this attrib jumped from 0 to: 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 087 087 036 Pre-fail Always 17688 Other Seagates (a few 1.5T drives) have also made me trouble, the 2T Samsung already relabeled and sold as a Seagate but with Samsung in the FW though is still ok. [..] I was wondering about how that would be updated since a lot of that stuff requires windoze. I ordered a drive. It should be here tomorrow. In the meantime, I shutdown and re-seated all the cables, power too. I got the test running again but results is a few hours off yet. It did pass the short test tho. I'm not sure that it means much. Good. Do not use dd, it WILL fail at the first error. Use gnu ddrescue or dd_rescue to grab an image. I used mc to copy via filesystem, eg. 'rsync -auxlPRAXSHD /foo/ /bar/' is fine too. Oh, and I hope you didn't buy a Seagate again ;) -dnh I plan to rsync or cp the data over. The dd part will come into play after I am sure I got everything off that I can get and am just erasing the drive completely. I plan to dd the drive then run the tests again just to see what it is doing. Heck, maybe it will reallocate that area like it should be doing already, I guess. Time will tell. I'll be having fun tomorrow tho. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
J. Roeleveld wrote: On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 01:44:23 PM Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann ANY hard drive can fail the day after you buy it, a month after you buy it, and so on, though obviously the probability of a particular drive failing at any point in time may vary by what you pay for it. or if it was meant to be used the way you use it. Like I said, I'm certainly interested in any actual data that supports that drives sold to run 24x7 last any longer than desktop drives when run 24x7. Not hard data, but while still using desktop drives, I had a drive failure on average once or twice a year. Now with enterprise 24x7 drives, the failure rate has dropped to 1 in the past 3 years. That is, for both, using proper UPS equipment. Additionally, I noticed a definite speed increase after switching to enterprise disks. -- Joost I have one WD black which I think is a more expensive drive. I have to say, when I run hdparm -tT on it, it is faster than the other regular drives that claim the same specs, SATA etc etc. They do cost more tho. Some a good bit more unless you can catch a good sale. While I was looking for this new drive, I looked into a 4TB drive. I am still trying to get my jaw back up off the floor. Holy sheep. They are still fairly proud of some of those puppies. I did notice they have a 5 and 6TB one now. O_O Double holy sheep. I think I lost my jaw now. Good bye nose, hello China. :-( Well, one of these days we will be talking about getting 6TB drives for $50 and how much we want a 20TB drive, to put all our worthless junk on. lol Oh, we will still complain about how they die to soon too. We may even have CPUs that run at light speed with many dozens of cores, but still to dang slow. ;-) Pass the rice please. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
Daniel Frey wrote: On 06/25/2014 10:44 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: Like I said, I'm certainly interested in any actual data that supports that drives sold to run 24x7 last any longer than desktop drives when run 24x7. Anecdotal, but... In 2008 I bought four 24x7 drives (500GB) and eight regular drives to be used in raid. Out of the eight regular drives, six failed before 4 years was up. All of the 24x7 drives are still in use (although I don't remember which machine(s) they're in now), six years later. All Seagate. I initially did do warranty replacement on the failed drives (all drives had 5 year warranty back then), and out of the six replacements, four failed a little over three months in. At that point I went and bought a real battery backed raid card (computer still has a UPS) with WD enterprise drives and no hiccups of any kind in about two years. And disk performance is way, way up. Dan Curious. I hope I don't start a flame war here. I have had WD, Seagate and I think there is a Samsung here somewhere, may be the one that is rolling over on its back now. The one drive that failed a few years ago was a WD drive. That said, all the other WD drives I have had just got to small to really use, and slow when SATA came out. I'm partial to WD and Seagate still since I got good long term use out of those. Based on your experience, you tend to be of the same opinion? Allan, your situation should involve a lot of hard drives. Any thoughts? Neil, you have a nice big opinion on this? I realize that any brand of drive will break eventually. That's one reason I don't hold the one failure I have had against WD. I got a lot of use out of that drive and it did let me know it was going to die, like real soon. I'm going to duck now. :/ Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] ssh rekeying slow ?
Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: When I ssh into a server in my basement, this takes way more time than usual. I don't have a clue what might have changed ... aside from usual updating. I rebuilt and restarted openssh down there without a change. This is a bit annoying when logging in and using git to pull/push stuff from/to there. Does anyone have an idea what I could do to fix that? Stefan I ran into a issue like this once a long time ago. I had something wrong with my hosts file if I recall correctly. It never did make sense as to how it messed things up but after fixing that, it worked fine. So, I'd look at the hosts file and see if anything is amiss there. I'm pretty sure that is the file that was messed up tho. Hope that helps. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Rich Freeman wrote: I don't have anything on the cloud to backup too. That would likely be a good idea but I can't afford anything pricey, which is why I hadn't bought a backup drive before now either. Plus, something I'd prefer to keep under my thumb. Heck, some things here are encrypted, bank info and such. Also, while I have DSL, it ain't real speedy. Backing up that much data over my connection could take a while, like days, maybe even a week or more. I put my backups on Amazon S3 reduced-redundancy - it is a few cents per GB per month. I think I have something like 20-30GB backed up. Oh, if you need to actually retrieve it that will cost you 10 cents per GB, but frankly if my house burned down that would be the least of my concerns. I'd only use the cloud to back up critical data. If you want to back up your mythtv and mp3 collection, then you're going to be uploading a LOT of data and paying quite a bit to store it. If you want to be storing TB of data offsite there are better ways of doing it. Outside my camera pics, I don't think I have anything that critical. I backed them up on 7 DVDs yesterday. I been doing that for many years. Two sets just to be sure. I also rotate the DVDs after a while too. I burn sysrescue ISOs to it or something. The advantage of something like S3 is that it is always there, which means you stick a duplicity script in your crontab and just periodically check up on it. You don't have to remember to do your backups. It just isn't practical to use it for more than a few dozen GB depending on your incremental strategy. I also have a 50Mbps outbound connection, which doesn't hurt. Downstream Rate 1536 (Kbits/Sec) Upstream Rate 384 (Kbits/Sec) While it ain't super fast, it beats dial-up and I remember those days very well. Still pretty slow to do backups over tho. :/ Your next best option is to find a friend with similar needs and give each other a place to upload your encrypted backups to. That will just cost you drive space, but if you're both planning on backing up 1TB of data it will still cost you the one-time drive purchase. If you want a quick cloud-capable backup solution, I'd look at duplicity. I just wish it had options for Google Drive (it supposedly does, but as far as I can tell it doesn't work, at least not with a two factor application password). Rich I'm just going to try and buy another 3TB drive as soon as I can. I may even make it into a removable thingy. Then I can make backups and just put it in a outbuilding. By the way, my outbuilding is pretty far from the house. A house fire wouldn't hurt it any. I got so much junk in there, a thief would shake his head and leave empty handed. May even cry at the thought of it. Working up a plan and hoping to work the plan. While at it. Latest test results. It finished a bit ago. root@fireball / # smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdc smartctl 6.1 2013-03-16 r3800 [x86_64-linux-3.14.0-gentoo] (local build) Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1 Num Test_DescriptionStatus Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error # 1 Extended offlineCompleted: read failure 60% 16394 2905482560 # 2 Extended offlineCompleted: read failure 60% 16389 2905482560 It is still rolling over. It should throw up its feet any day now. :-( Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%
On Thursday 26 Jun 2014 03:15:54 Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: I have to say, I dread setting up a mail server about as bad as I dread going to the Doctor. It's just something I really don't want to add to my system unless I have to. Which is why I suggesting something like ssmtp, which you can't call a server, it just forwards. Often the only configuration needed is changing one line in ssmtp.conf, to the address of your ISP's mail server. That's it, now any program can send mail using sendmail and it just goes to your ISP mailbox. I like this part: Extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system to a Mailhub ^ That part right up there. :-D That may be a new thread, if needed. Try this basic setup in your /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf: root=d...@gmail.com #Change to your preferred email address mailhub=smtp.gmail.com:465 #Could also use port 587 for STARTTLS rewriteDomain=dales_smoker.shack #Something to denote your machine's name FromLineOverride=YES UseTLS=YES #Can also try UseSTARTTLS=YES as an alternative AuthUser=d...@gmail.com AuthPass=dalesgmails3cr3tpasswd #Special characters seem to barf with ssmtp Sort out access rights to 0604, since it now contains your mail passwd unencrypted: # ls -la /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf -rw-r- 1 root ssmtp 1696 May 19 23:40 /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf Add this in your /etc/ssmtp/revaliases: === root:d...@gmail.com:smtp.gmail.com:465 dale:d...@gmail.com:smtp.gmail.com:465 other_user:d...@gmail.com:smtp.gmail.com:465 === Then ping a message to yourself as a test to see that all works fine: echo My first test message | mail -v -s Test for sSMTP 1 d...@gmail.com It should then appear in your gmail account (Sent folder). Set a label/filter to find such messages easily and you're done. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
