Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
On Saturday 16 August 2014 16:34:23 Poison BL. wrote: I have friends that vary between liking and tolerating Gnome 3, KDE, etc. and I can honestly say the only meaningful factor in deciding what they run has always boiled down to taste. Sit down with each for a week or three (as your main system, you won't get a real feel for them if you're not trying to get real work done through them), get them working as close to your preferences as you can, then judge which a) took the least work to get there and b) most closely match what you actually want from them. As an added bonus, poke around for a third thing to score based on... which gives you the best set of features you *weren't* looking for but *will* use. Sound advice. Personally I won't touch any of the gnome variants because of the way they hide everything they can from the user. Reminds me of Windows with its we- know-better-than-you attitude. And the last time I looked they wouldn't let me have a clear desktop, insisting on littering it with icons I never use. As Joshua says, though, it's all a matter of taste. -- Regards Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] Intermittent USB device failures
On Sunday 17 Aug 2014 02:56:58 Mike Edenfield wrote: When I `modprobe -r ochi_pci` while the system is operating normally, I see all four modules (ohci-pci, ohci-hcd, ehci-pci, and ehci-hcd) unloading properly: [25603.37] ohci-pci :00:0b.0: remove, state 1 [25603.370395] usb usb2: USB disconnect, device number 1 [25603.370414] usb 2-6: USB disconnect, device number 2 [25603.383451] usb 2-7: USB disconnect, device number 3 [25603.384217] ohci-pci :00:0b.0: USB bus 2 deregistered [25603.384597] ehci-pci :00:0b.1: remove, state 1 [25603.384611] usb usb1: USB disconnect, device number 1 [25603.386306] ehci-pci :00:0b.1: USB bus 1 deregistered If I try to do the same thing after the mouse has locked up, modprobe stalls trying to unload the first module: wombat kutulu # modprobe -r -v ohci_pci rmmod ohci_pci wombat kutulu # dmesg [38091.627389] ohci-pci :00:0b.0: remove, state 1 [38091.627400] usb usb2: USB disconnect, device number 1 Any ideas what's going wrong here? Any chance I can salvage this hardware? Do you need ohci-pci? Have you tried running a kernel without it and check if your hardware still works as intended? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
140816 Henrique Lengler wrote: On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 02:31:10PM -0400, Philip Webb wrote: I do use Evince as a quick alternative to Okular for PDFs . Have you ever tried mupdf or xpdf ? Thanks for the reminder ! -- I do indeed have Mupdf installed, but had forgotten all about it : yes, it's quick easy for simple browsing. Evince has extra features, eg a side menu, but mb Mupdf is sufficient. Xpdf was dropped from Gentoo some time ago had awkward controls : IIRC there were security concerns upstream was dead. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
Thanks for the reminder ! -- I do indeed have Mupdf installed, but had forgotten all about it : yes, it's quick easy for simple browsing. Evince has extra features, eg a side menu, but mb Mupdf is sufficient. If you're looking for a more feature-complete solution, check out llpp[1], which is based on mupdf. As a long time zathura user that switched to to mupdf because zathura's newest version now depends on =x11-libs/gtk+-3.2:3, I found that mupdf had a few limitations and annoyances. I'm quite happy with llpp now and wouldn't want to go back. [1] - http://repo.or.cz/w/llpp.git -- Wolfgang Mueller / vehk.de / 0xc543cfce9465f573 That gum you like is going to come back in style. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 12:13 PM, behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com wrote: So can you please tell me why you have chosen a specific DE and not the other options ? So, this is more why I'm using KDE and not so much why I'm not using something else. Things I like about KDE: 1. Handles USB drive insertions/etc. 2. ioslaves like fish, smb, and so on. 3. Love the window manager 4. Love the configurability, especially with the unified notification/shortcut configuration design 5. krunner (more or less - it still feels quirky but I like it) 6. That dolphin mode that gives you a shell that follows the pwd. That is just nifty. Things I don't care about: 1. All the bundled apps. I don't use konqueror, koffice, and kdepim for the most part. I might use kdepim if I could get it to work with Google calendar/contacts without needing two-factor on every login. Things I dislike: 1. I disable nepomuk and its offspring. Things I think might be improveable: 1. The way it handles window grouping. I dislike a bazillion tabs, but I don't like the way it does grouping all that much either. Maybe I need to better grok activities/etc. I have run xfce at times. In particular I used to run it when accessing my desktop via NX since it was lightweight. I also used it exclusively during the early days of kde4, in part because the system I was running it on was underpowered. I'm open to other options. I am not at all wedded to the big kde apps, so if there is something else that offers more of the utility side I'm interested. However, everything about kde just seems so flexible, it is probably hard to beat for utility. Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
On 17/08/2014 15:28, Rich Freeman wrote: On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 12:13 PM, behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com wrote: So can you please tell me why you have chosen a specific DE and not the other options ? So, this is more why I'm using KDE and not so much why I'm not using something else. Things I like about KDE: 1. Handles USB drive insertions/etc. 2. ioslaves like fish, smb, and so on. 3. Love the window manager 4. Love the configurability, especially with the unified notification/shortcut configuration design 5. krunner (more or less - it still feels quirky but I like it) 6. That dolphin mode that gives you a shell that follows the pwd. That is just nifty. #6 - it does? How do I activate that? Might be useful, I didn't even know there was such a fature Things I don't care about: 1. All the bundled apps. I don't use konqueror, koffice, and kdepim for the most part. I might use kdepim if I could get it to work with Google calendar/contacts without needing two-factor on every login. You can use sets to just get what you really use. The way I do it is I installed just the few -meta packages I want. True, I get more cruft than using sets, but with less work. I consider that an acceptable trade-off for me. Things I dislike: 1. I disable nepomuk and its offspring. nepomuk (and akanodi) and a bit of a personal embarrassment for me. In the beginning I advocated they were a good idea; and I still believe the idea is good for the average desktop in this brave new world. But the implementation - that often outweighs the idea. Nepomuk not so much (that one is pretty efficient) but definitely akonadi (that one sucks eggs) Things I think might be improveable: 1. The way it handles window grouping. I dislike a bazillion tabs, but I don't like the way it does grouping all that much either. Maybe I need to better grok activities/etc. Heh heh:-) I have that problem too. I forced myself to close tabs ruthlessly and rely on history. I now try and keep open only tabs I am using, not also tabs I might use again. Activities looks like a good idea, but I can't get them to work and feel right. Perhaps I should define what my activities actually mean to me better, this is far from simple. I have run xfce at times. In particular I used to run it when accessing my desktop via NX since it was lightweight. I also used it exclusively during the early days of kde4, in part because the system I was running it on was underpowered. I'm open to other options. I am not at all wedded to the big kde apps, so if there is something else that offers more of the utility side I'm interested. However, everything about kde just seems so flexible, it is probably hard to beat for utility. For pure engineering excellence it's hard to beat e19 and efl. However, raster and his team still have no qualms with ripping chunks of good out and replacing them on a whim, so perhaps not the most stable environment out there :-) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
On 17/08/2014 15:28, Rich Freeman wrote: why I'm using KDE and not so much why I'm not using something else. ... 6. Dolphin mode that gives you a shell that follows the pwd. Have you tried Krusader ? -- it's been my heavy-load FM for a long time. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
On Sunday 17 Aug 2014 15:56:05 Alan McKinnon wrote: On 17/08/2014 15:28, Rich Freeman wrote: 6. That dolphin mode that gives you a shell that follows the pwd. That is just nifty. #6 - it does? How do I activate that? Might be useful, I didn't even know there was such a fature I use Konqueror (with the dolphin plugin) and F4 opens konsole in a separate window, or Settings/Show Terminal Emulator shows a terminal in the bottom 5th of Konqueror. My Dolphin doesn't offer the same, probably because I have only installed selected apps and a few meta packages, not the whole enchilada. Things I dislike: 1. I disable nepomuk and its offspring. nepomuk (and akanodi) and a bit of a personal embarrassment for me. In the beginning I advocated they were a good idea; and I still believe the idea is good for the average desktop in this brave new world. But the implementation - that often outweighs the idea. Nepomuk not so much (that one is pretty efficient) but definitely akonadi (that one sucks eggs) They are a good idea if you want to be able to index and search the whole of your PC for anything metatagged with foo and don't value the cost of electricity. The chances of me wanting to do this on my personal laptop are exceedingly rare, although once dementia sets in it could prove useful. :p For me this plus the shift from KDEPIM 3 to 4 was criminal destruction of value. I live in hope that one day KDE will take a hard long look at itself and go back to KDE 3 architecture; or that nepomuk, akonadi, redland, mysql and what-ever-else they have added can be switched off selectively without breaking the ability to search your address book and send an email; or that all this additional functionality will be so wonderfully streamlined that I will never ever know it is there. Given it's been 4 or 5 years now since this disaster happened I am not holding my breath. :-( Things I think might be improveable: 1. The way it handles window grouping. I dislike a bazillion tabs, but I don't like the way it does grouping all that much either. Maybe I need to better grok activities/etc. Heh heh:-) I have that problem too. I forced myself to close tabs ruthlessly and rely on history. I now try and keep open only tabs I am using, not also tabs I might use again. Activities looks like a good idea, but I can't get them to work and feel right. Perhaps I should define what my activities actually mean to me better, this is far from simple. I was meant to look into activities, so that I can explain it to some KDE users who also don't know what this is. I vaguely recall understanding the concept in the past, but never tried it out. Can you please explain in simple terms what it is and how it is meant to be used? For pure engineering excellence it's hard to beat e19 and efl. However, raster and his team still have no qualms with ripping chunks of good out and replacing them on a whim, so perhaps not the most stable environment out there :-) If you stay with testing versions already in portage, things are not as bad. I'm on enlightenment-0.17/0.18.8 and efl-1.9.5 and it's been quite stable. Last time I tried to emerge efl-1.10.1 it failed, so I am waiting for maintainers to catch up with the latest before I try again. BTW, since enlightenment trunk moved to git, I am not sure my enlightenment overlay syncs properly, because it doesn't bring up any message to inform me which packages have changed. Should I change something in layman to increase verbosity of git sync's? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo mirror list - where?
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On 08/12/2014 04:42 AM, Helmut Jarausch wrote:
Hi,
if an ebuild file has, e.g., mirror://github/...
where do I find the list of mirrors Gentoo is using for that?
Many thanks for a hint, Helmut
The default list of all mirrors for the mirror:// protocol is found in
${PORTDIR}/profiles/thirdpartymirrors.
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Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 17 Aug 2014 15:56:05 Alan McKinnon wrote: On 17/08/2014 15:28, Rich Freeman wrote: 6. That dolphin mode that gives you a shell that follows the pwd. That is just nifty. #6 - it does? How do I activate that? Might be useful, I didn't even know there was such a fature I use Konqueror (with the dolphin plugin) and F4 opens konsole in a separate window, or Settings/Show Terminal Emulator shows a terminal in the bottom 5th of Konqueror. My Dolphin doesn't offer the same, probably because I have only installed selected apps and a few meta packages, not the whole enchilada. F4 is the default shortcut in dolphin. It is under control-panels-terminal. It runs as a panel/pane as the menu suggests. Things I think might be improveable: 1. The way it handles window grouping. I dislike a bazillion tabs, but I don't like the way it does grouping all that much either. Maybe I need to better grok activities/etc. Heh heh:-) I have that problem too. I forced myself to close tabs ruthlessly and rely on history. I now try and keep open only tabs I am using, not also tabs I might use again. Activities looks like a good idea, but I can't get them to work and feel right. Perhaps I should define what my activities actually mean to me better, this is far from simple. I was meant to look into activities, so that I can explain it to some KDE users who also don't know what this is. I vaguely recall understanding the concept in the past, but never tried it out. Can you please explain in simple terms what it is and how it is meant to be used? Well, the concept is that maybe you work from home using the same PC, so you have a work activity and a home activity. It is a bit like virtual desktops on steroids as far as I can tell. My problem is that I don't ever exclusively do just one thing at a time. I never really utilized virtual desktops much either for this reason. Maybe I'd benefit from forcing myself to do it more, but... -- Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
140817 Wolfgang Mueller wrote: Thanks for the reminder ! -- I do indeed have Mupdf installed, but had forgotten all about it : yes, it's quick easy for simple browsing. Evince has extra features, eg a side menu, but mb Mupdf is sufficient. If you're looking for a more feature-complete solution, check out llpp, which is based on mupdf. I found that mupdf had a few limitations and annoyances. I'm quite happy with llpp now and wouldn't want to go back. I emerged it after several compile errors due to missing USE flags, but it looks rather experimental has a long list of commands, most of which I'm unlikely to use. Okular is ok for heavier work Mupdf is quick'n'simple for glancing around PDFs from the CLI. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
I don't know why KDE people are creating everything again. koffice, konqueror, a lot of things, that already exists in the linux world are being recreated by KDE. Whats the problem to use things that already exists? Why don't include software that is famous and liked by people insted of insist in their Kthings? -- Henrique Lengler https://gitorious.org/~henriqueleng
Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
Am 17.08.2014 um 20:47 schrieb Henrique Lengler: I don't know why KDE people are creating everything again. koffice, konqueror, a lot of things, that already exists in the linux world are being recreated by KDE. Whats the problem to use things that already exists? Why don't include software that is famous and liked by people insted of insist in their Kthings? hm, tell me, what was there when Konqueror was created? Please do. Maybe also try to spend some times on 'Konqueror is just a shell around different kparts', if you like. And while you are at it, you do know the history of webkit, don't you?
Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
Howdy, on Enlightenment here, love the customisability mostly and it's slickness - i.e. can load tiling module that switches behaviour (have never used it myself though, can't say how it compares to awm or i3) krunner equivalent is start everything module and resembles gnome-do i prefer to use pcmanfm/thunar than the e file manager and nice as terminology is i'm still using terminator the big question really is why are you looking for a DE - what is offered in it that you don't already have? while i understand from the lengthy update you want all K apps or all GTK to minimise the update - i myself mix and match where i have need from my own experience a DE gives you 1. easy hotplug devices i.e. usb disks (or you can emerge dbus,polkit and udisks and add policy rules manually) 2. session management, i.e. you can switch users without logging out 3. bundled apps / libraries 4. killer features such as the K activities 5. can anyone add to this list ?
Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 08:57:36PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: hm, tell me, what was there when Konqueror was created? Please do. Maybe also try to spend some times on 'Konqueror is just a shell around different kparts', if you like. And while you are at it, you do know the history of webkit, don't you? Oh you a right man. I spoke without knowing, sorry by this. Everything happen exactly unlike i said. -- Henrique Lengler https://gitorious.org/~henriqueleng
Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
Am 17.08.2014 um 20:57 schrieb thegeezer: Howdy, on Enlightenment here, love the customisability mostly and it's slickness - i.e. can load tiling module that switches behaviour (have never used it myself though, can't say how it compares to awm or i3) krunner equivalent is start everything module and resembles gnome-do i prefer to use pcmanfm/thunar than the e file manager and nice as terminology is i'm still using terminator the big question really is why are you looking for a DE - what is offered in it that you don't already have? while i understand from the lengthy update you want all K apps or all GTK to minimise the update - i myself mix and match where i have need from my own experience a DE gives you 1. easy hotplug devices i.e. usb disks (or you can emerge dbus,polkit and udisks and add policy rules manually) 2. session management, i.e. you can switch users without logging out 3. bundled apps / libraries 4. killer features such as the K activities 5. can anyone add to this list ? apps that actually work with each other.
Re: [gentoo-user] Automounting USB drives
udisks +1 Google knows enough about it to lead you to the nirvana state of increased understanding. +1 very loosely: udisks needs polkit to check the current user is authorised to mount internal drives or usb drives (this threw me at first as there are two rules you need to assign) udisks uses dbus for the notification of disconnect / connect to/from the desktop environment. icon on the desktop depends on the desktop you have - but this should be automagic hth
Re: [gentoo-user] Clusters on Gentoo ?
there are many way to do clustering and one thing that i would consider a holy grail would be something like pvm [1] because nothing else seems to have similar horizontal scaling of cpu at the kernel level i would love to know the mechanism behind dell's equallogic san as it really is clustered lvm on steroids. GFS / orangefs / ocfs are not the easiest things to setup (ocfs is) and i've not found performance to be so great for writes. DRBD is only 2 devices as far as i understand, so not really super scalable i'm still not convinced over the likes of hadoop for storage, maybe i just don't have the scale to get it? the thing with clusters is that you want to be able to spin an extra node up and join it to the group and then you increase cpu / storage by n+1 but also you want to be able to spin nodes down dynamically and go down by n-1. i guess this is where hadoop is of benefit because that is not a happy thing for a typical file system. network load balancing is super easy, all info required is in each packet -- application load balancing requires more thought. this is where the likes of memcached can help but also why a good design of the cluster is better. localised data and tiered access etc... kind of why i would like to see a pvm kind of solution -- so that a page fault is triggered like swap memory which then fetches the relevant memory from the network: bearing in mind that a computer can typically trigger thousands of page faults a second and that memory access is very very many times faster than gigabit networking! [1] http://www.csm.ornl.gov/pvm/pvm_home.html
Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
On 17/08/14 20:16, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 17.08.2014 um 20:57 schrieb thegeezer: from my own experience a DE gives you 1. easy hotplug devices i.e. usb disks (or you can emerge dbus,polkit and udisks and add policy rules manually) 2. session management, i.e. you can switch users without logging out 3. bundled apps / libraries 4. killer features such as the K activities 5. can anyone add to this list ? apps that actually work with each other. honestly i've never had issues cross app -- copy/paste of text or files from dolphin to konqueror have never been an issue. do you have an example of what would not work ?
Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
On 17/08/14 20:54, thegeezer wrote: On 17/08/14 20:16, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: apps that actually work with each other. honestly i've never had issues cross app -- copy/paste of text or files from dolphin to konqueror have never been an issue. *ahem* of course i meant a wider range of apps than two kde file managers ! do you have an example of what would not work ?
Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
On 17/08/2014 20:57, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 17.08.2014 um 20:47 schrieb Henrique Lengler: I don't know why KDE people are creating everything again. koffice, konqueror, a lot of things, that already exists in the linux world are being recreated by KDE. Whats the problem to use things that already exists? Why don't include software that is famous and liked by people insted of insist in their Kthings? hm, tell me, what was there when Konqueror was created? Please do. Maybe also try to spend some times on 'Konqueror is just a shell around different kparts', if you like. And while you are at it, you do know the history of webkit, don't you? It was the core of IE6, wasn't it? /says me with a naughty twinkle in my eye -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
On 17/08/2014 20:47, Henrique Lengler wrote: I don't know why KDE people are creating everything again. koffice, konqueror, a lot of things, that already exists in the linux world are being recreated by KDE. Whats the problem to use things that already exists? Why don't include software that is famous and liked by people insted of insist in their Kthings? You can't be serious right? Go back and find the original post from the founder of KDE as to why KDE was started at all. It's all about incoherent, mis-matched, ugly-when-bundled together apps that do not work in sympathy. This is still true today. Take kparts and kioslaves. KDE treats as much as possible as some sort of plugin that all KDE apps can share. This gives the user a fantastic degree of abstraction because anything that represents data can be a kpart. NFS mounts, smb shares, ssh, some weird random new thing - all of them show up in the file manager. Drag and drop works because of this. Consistent look and feel amongst KDE apps is probably the best reason for KDE's existence at all. But let's continue with your argument. What are these things that already exist? Nautilus? Why should KDE *not* implement a file manager? Should we ditch Dolphin in favour of Nautilus? Or something else perhaps? Should we drop Okular and tell everyone to just use xpdf instead? OMGF, have you actually *used* that piece of shit? Can you figure out *how* to use it? I can't - buttons all over the place in weird places xpdf is probably the best example of why KDE was started. I think I will stop now and wait for you to list the 100s of apps that already existed before related KDE apps were released, so we can see what these adequate replacements are. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 11:09:24PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: You can't be serious right? Go back and find the original post from the founder of KDE as to why KDE was started at all. It's all about incoherent, mis-matched, ugly-when-bundled together apps that do not work in sympathy. This is still true today. Take kparts and kioslaves. KDE treats as much as possible as some sort of plugin that all KDE apps can share. This gives the user a fantastic degree of abstraction because anything that represents data can be a kpart. NFS mounts, smb shares, ssh, some weird random new thing - all of them show up in the file manager. Drag and drop works because of this. Consistent look and feel amongst KDE apps is probably the best reason for KDE's existence at all. But let's continue with your argument. What are these things that already exist? Nautilus? Why should KDE *not* implement a file manager? Should we ditch Dolphin in favour of Nautilus? Or something else perhaps? Should we drop Okular and tell everyone to just use xpdf instead? OMGF, have you actually *used* that piece of shit? Can you figure out *how* to use it? I can't - buttons all over the place in weird places xpdf is probably the best example of why KDE was started. I think I will stop now and wait for you to list the 100s of apps that already existed before related KDE apps were released, so we can see what these adequate replacements are. Hi, I already said sorry for my stupid argumentation. -- Henrique Lengler
Re: [gentoo-user] USE flags handling
On 29/07/14 18:04, behrouz khosravi wrote: Hello everyone. I just concurred my fear and jumped to installing gentoo! So far so good! Before installing on my laptop and desktop, I am trying on virtual box and the system is running Fluxbox very good.(default profile) Now I am thinking about managing USE flags. What if I disable everything in the make.conf ( I mean USE=-* ) and gradually add the needed flags to package.use? I am not trying to have severe control, I just want to expand my knowledge! thanks. late to the conversation but no one else has mentioned, you might want to take advantage of the newer way of doing use flags. i.e. do not put them all in /etc/portage/make.conf take advantage of the /etc/portage/package.use/ (you might need to mkdir this) in there you can put a single file per package requirements. i.e. you try to emerge etherape, and it tells you that libgnomecanvas requires use of glade so cat the requirement into a file named by what requires it $ cat /etc/portage/package.use/etherape =gnome-base/libgnomecanvas-2.30.3 glade this also works for package.keywords etc this means that you can more easily keep track of which use flags are for which programs: $ ls /etc/portage/package.use/ chromium efl freemindteamviewer transmission compiz etherape gvfsterminator vinagre darktable filemangler networkmanager thunar virtualbox dvdrip firefox stellarium thunderbird wpa_supplicant hth
Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
On 17/08/2014 18:19, Mick wrote: For me this plus the shift from KDEPIM 3 to 4 was criminal destruction of value. I live in hope that one day KDE will take a hard long look at itself and go back to KDE 3 architecture; or that nepomuk, akonadi, redland, mysql and what-ever-else they have added can be switched off selectively without breaking the ability to search your address book and send an email; or that all this additional functionality will be so wonderfully streamlined that I will never ever know it is there. Given it's been 4 or 5 years now since this disaster happened I am not holding my breath. :-( In all honesty, I believe the semantic desktop idea was an experiment worth pursuing. Some things you just can't tell if they will work out in advance. You have to try. Correction: You have to be *brave*, then try. And KDE did that. I believe the entire KDE4 branch was incredibly brave - someone had a vision and had the balls to try, to rip out the problematic and hard-to-maintain bits and actually release something new. You could successfully argue that akonadi is a failed experiment in that it doesn't seem to make the individual user's life any easier. But akonadi wasn't just an exercise in stuffing everything into mysql because they could - akonadi aimed at putting a standard wrapper around PIM data. It's really a classic middle-ware idea which storage backends in the rear, possibly many clients in front and akonadi in the middle. The details of how to do the middle seem vastly more complex than anyone thought, and this is actually a good thing. A valuable lesson has been learned - devs now know a great deal more about what not to do and why. Same with nepomuk - it started as an EU-sponsored concept of a semantic desktop and KDE was brave enough to put themselves out there as a major DE willing to give it a shot. Valuable lessons were learned here as well, so whereas nepomuk may or may not survive, the lessons will always remain for those willing to look (yeah, I know about folk doomed to repeat, but you get the idea) Incidentally, much of KDE's fancy back end stuff *can* be disabled; it just isn't especially recommended and Gentoo devs don't support it too much. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
On 17/08/2014 19:21, Rich Freeman wrote: 6. That dolphin mode that gives you a shell that follows the pwd. That is just nifty. #6 - it does? How do I activate that? Might be useful, I didn't even know there was such a fature I use Konqueror (with the dolphin plugin) and F4 opens konsole in a separate window, or Settings/Show Terminal Emulator shows a terminal in the bottom 5th of Konqueror. My Dolphin doesn't offer the same, probably because I have only installed selected apps and a few meta packages, not the whole enchilada. F4 is the default shortcut in dolphin. It is under control-panels-terminal. It runs as a panel/pane as the menu suggests. View - Panels - Terminal That'll teach me for not actually *looking* into what the menus provide :-) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
[gentoo-user] Advantages in privoxy instead of mannualy edit /etc/hosts
Is there any advantage in use privoxy instead of mannualy set a /etc/hosts file? Wich one is faster? Does both method slow down page load, or speed it up? -- Henrique Lengler https://gitorious.org/~henriqueleng
Re: [gentoo-user] Advantages in privoxy instead of mannualy edit /etc/hosts
On 18 August 2014 03:08:48 CEST, Henrique Lengler henriquel...@openmailbox.org wrote: Is there any advantage in use privoxy instead of mannualy set a /etc/hosts file? Wich one is faster? Does both method slow down page load, or speed it up? How many entries do you want to put in your /etc/hosts file? -- Joost -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [gentoo-user] USE flags handling
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 1:51 AM, thegeezer thegee...@thegeezer.net wrote: late to the conversation but no one else has mentioned, ... Sounds neat, Thanks for the advise.
Re: [gentoo-user] why you've chosen your desktop environment? (no war !)
Am 17.08.2014 um 23:09 schrieb Alan McKinnon: On 17/08/2014 20:47, Henrique Lengler wrote: I don't know why KDE people are creating everything again. koffice, konqueror, a lot of things, that already exists in the linux world are being recreated by KDE. Whats the problem to use things that already exists? Why don't include software that is famous and liked by people insted of insist in their Kthings? You can't be serious right? Go back and find the original post from the founder of KDE as to why KDE was started at all. It's all about incoherent, mis-matched, ugly-when-bundled together apps that do not work in sympathy. This is still true today. Take kparts and kioslaves. KDE treats as much as possible as some sort of plugin that all KDE apps can share. This gives the user a fantastic degree of abstraction because anything that represents data can be a kpart. NFS mounts, smb shares, ssh, some weird random new thing - all of them show up in the file manager. Drag and drop works because of this. Consistent look and feel amongst KDE apps is probably the best reason for KDE's existence at all. But let's continue with your argument. What are these things that already exist? Nautilus? Why should KDE *not* implement a file manager? Should we ditch Dolphin in favour of Nautilus? Or something else perhaps? Should we drop Okular and tell everyone to just use xpdf instead? OMGF, have you actually *used* that piece of shit? Can you figure out *how* to use it? I can't - buttons all over the place in weird places xpdf is probably the best example of why KDE was started. I think I will stop now and wait for you to list the 100s of apps that already existed before related KDE apps were released, so we can see what these adequate replacements are. you know.. konqueror came before nautilus
