Re: [gentoo-user] VB - login from one Windows XP to another XP
2014-10-06 23:17 GMT-06:00 Joseph syscon...@gmail.com: On 10/06/14 21:22, Jc García wrote: 2014-10-06 19:52 GMT-06:00 Joseph syscon...@gmail.com: I'm running Windows XP in VirtualBox. I can NX to the running VB - Windows XP as (shadow or new) session. But that doesn't help me. Via Shadow session I would disturb the current user if I try to start another program. Via New session I can not see Windows XP session as it is running. So I think I have to start VB - Windows XP on my box and try to login to another (remote) VB - Windows XP Is it possible?. The user is running certain program, that uses database. I'm trying to login to the remote Windows XP session and start the same program as an administrator (that uses that same database). How to log-in from one windows XP to another over the network? You search in google and do a ton of clicks, this is so OT. and there are many answers out here, even the unix-style one works. Windows XP has a build in Remote Desktop but: http://www.wikihow.com/Use-Windows-XP%27s-Built-in-Remote-Desktop-Utility But I think it only works on the same subnet. 'even the unix-style one works' seems you didn't get the hint: SSH, just install a server on the VM. -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] VB - login from one Windows XP to another XP
On Monday, October 06, 2014 11:17:49 PM Joseph wrote: On 10/06/14 21:22, Jc García wrote: 2014-10-06 19:52 GMT-06:00 Joseph syscon...@gmail.com: I'm running Windows XP in VirtualBox. I can NX to the running VB - Windows XP as (shadow or new) session. But that doesn't help me. Via Shadow session I would disturb the current user if I try to start another program. Via New session I can not see Windows XP session as it is running. So I think I have to start VB - Windows XP on my box and try to login to another (remote) VB - Windows XP Is it possible?. The user is running certain program, that uses database. I'm trying to login to the remote Windows XP session and start the same program as an administrator (that uses that same database). How to log-in from one windows XP to another over the network? You search in google and do a ton of clicks, this is so OT. and there are many answers out here, even the unix-style one works. Windows XP has a build in Remote Desktop but: http://www.wikihow.com/Use-Windows-XP%27s-Built-in-Remote-Desktop-Utility But I think it only works on the same subnet. As stated by others, this is way OT and Google should help here. RDC works over different subnets, even (if you're stupid enough to open the ports in the firewall) from a different country over the internet. MS Windows XP is NOT a multi-user OS, what you want to do might work, but is extremely flakey. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: has anyone tried KDE5?
Am Montag, 6. Oktober 2014, 22:47:51 schrieb Mick: On Monday 06 Oct 2014 16:44:57 Jens Reinemuth wrote: And to go deeper: Why don't they store documents in a database, that is better optimized for documents... MongoDB? CouchDB? Instead they use this shitty mixture of MySQL and Virtuoso!? WTF? No, no, no! What they should do is use Microsoft's Sharepoint server solution, which stores documents in the MS SQL as binary blobs ... millions of corporate users can't be wrong! O_o Great idea... ;-) I really can't understand why anyone would use a database as file-storage!? But to be real: Why not use anything for akonadi/nepomuk that ist really optimized for the purpose... Why not Solr or Elasticsearch... I mean: Nobody really ever uses that crap for anything else than doing fulltext-search! As far as i remember, even that purpose wasn't really very well done! Elasticsearch with some indexers that push a plaintextversion of nearly every document-format into the index and you will enjoy searches in millions of documents in nearly no time... Using some tags and categories, you will have the perfect semantic experience! jens reinemuth leonhard-eckel-siedlung 4a d-67483 edesheim mobil: +49.176.63613420 mail: j...@reinemuth.info jabber: j...@jabber.reinemuth.info -- scribline, n.: The blank area on the back of credit cards where one's signature goes. -- Sniglets, Rich Hall Friends signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?
On Sunday, October 5, 2014 9:10:50 PM MSK, Alan McKinnon wrote: I haven't used konqueror as a browser in many many months, I get along just fine with firefox and chromium. I believe konqueror is essentially unmaintained these days or at least on life support. Make a fine file manager though (kparts has always been one of KDE's very much better ideas) I think there was a tendency to replace Konqueror with rekonq in KDE-based distros. Can somebody comment on how rekonq is doing?
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Cohorent pool size too small...
On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 06:34:06PM +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: SNIP Moin Hinnerk, (hopefully have guessed this greet correctly...I am from that part of Germany ;) I have the source of the driver exclusivly compiled for 3.8.13 as for 3.14.something (cant remember). 3.14.x has some other problems (on that embedded platform) like not powering off when shutdown, random reboots and such. So decided to go back to 3.8.13. Yesterday I started updateing (eix-sync and emerge) that Gentoo and it ends up in an endless loop (bash update) of configureing (damn slow on that mini iron) and compiling - as it looks - of a single file. After more than 10 hours I CTRL-C that, reupated and now I am ...updateing the bash again. Sigh. Currently fun is something else... Is the 3.15.10++ branch free of things like random reboot and not powering off? Moin Meino, (you've hit dead on spot: is there another valid greeting except that one? ;-) ) Right now I don't have a beaglebone black so sadly I can't provide any first hand experience. A 10 hour configure loop definitely sounds fishy to me. I'm running a (hardened) Gentoo on a Raspberry Pi right now and I do compiling natively most of the time (as it's not a that critical machine). As it's an even more mini iron I know that it can be time consuming (maybe interesting: bash: 25 minutes, 57 seconds for 29 merges). My rpi runs on a 3.16.3 kernel and my experience is that newer kernels help immensely if available (that is if the hardware is either supported upstream or there is a vendor branch testing new kernels). Especially for arm there is much better support lately. I find for less used platforms (read: not-x86/amd64) the newer kernels are often more stable than stable ones because the latter often doesn't experience much testing. So in the end there aren't many more options than just try it out (kernel builds are quick luckily because - as you stated in your other reply - kernel builds are very easily cross-compilable). Good luck/Viel Erfolg, Hinnerk signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Noob WiFi question (yes-or-no answer will suffice) [SOLVED]
On Monday, October 06, 2014 11:06:03 PM Mick wrote: On Monday 06 Oct 2014 11:53:54 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 21:21:03 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: nm has come a long way of late it seems. Perhaps I should revise my stance on it :-) The main reason wicd development has stopped is that the developer started using NetworkManager. Am I the only one still using /etc/conf.d/net and wpa_cli / wpa_gui? For wired desktops, I use the /etc/conf.d/net file. For laptops, where I need to connect to different WIFI networks regularly, I like the way NM just seems to work. I always had issues with wpa_cli/wpa_gui, even when following how-tos online. Never mind trying to connect to different VPNs. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo SDcard updates tactics
On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 05:29:11AM +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, There are two SDcards of the same brand and model. The first one cariies a not so current Gentoo Linux. The second one is empty. Now the first one is image-copied to the second one with dd, which copies the contents of the whole device (not the partitions). Then the first one is put into my embedded system, boots up and the normal eix-syn/emerge/compiel is done to update the system (whch takes a longer time becaus this is an embedded system). Will I get a technical identical working and valid copy of the first sdcard onto the second sdcard if I rsync the relevant partition of the first onto the second sdcard. Or will I produce crap this way? Is this valid Gentoo-wise? Moin (again), this will work quite well, at least if you take care (I used this way for moving my systems to new drives or even via network to different boxes (in the latter case CFLAGS and kernel config will become important again, as you can imagine)). Ideally you should run rsync with the option to remove files not found on the source drive (otherwise you'll likely clutter the target with stale files (especially documentation but also older library versions). You will also need to change the configs (at least static network hostname, possibly more) so that both systems don't clash, at least if you plan to run both on the same network. The rm option of rsync is potentially dangerous (e.g. you can delete files from home). If you are careful this is a valid way of doing that. Another option that would move quite a bit work from one machine to the other is just building binpkgs on one host and use the other one as binhost. That way (if you use identical /etc/portage dirs) you can quite savely use portage and nonetheless negate the use of compiling (there will still be the load of dependency resplution, extracting etc). WKR Hinnerk signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?
On Saturday, October 4, 2014 9:37:04 PM MSK, Michael Palimaka wrote: The KDE release structure has evolved[1], decoupling the release cycle of the Platform, Workspace, and Applications. This means that there is no longer a single Software Compilation in the same way there was with KDE 4. We (Gentoo KDE team) have not yet made a decision as to when the Plasma 5 Workspace will be pushed to the main tree. I've been using it on a daily basis for about six months, and consider the next release (5.1.0) to be a good candidate for the main tree. The underlying Platform (KDE Frameworks 5) upon which Plasma 5 is built is expected in the main tree in about a week, after the 5.3.0 release. I think KDE Application 5 haven't been released yet (at least I don't remember seeing the news). Are you going to package old applications with Frameworks 5 and Plasma 5?
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Noob WiFi question (yes-or-no answer will suffice) [SOLVED]
Le Tue, 07 Oct 2014 08:22:35 +0200, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org a écrit : On Monday, October 06, 2014 11:06:03 PM Mick wrote: On Monday 06 Oct 2014 11:53:54 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 21:21:03 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: nm has come a long way of late it seems. Perhaps I should revise my stance on it :-) The main reason wicd development has stopped is that the developer started using NetworkManager. Am I the only one still using /etc/conf.d/net and wpa_cli / wpa_gui? For wired desktops, I use the /etc/conf.d/net file. For laptops, where I need to connect to different WIFI networks regularly, I like the way NM just seems to work. I always had issues with wpa_cli/wpa_gui, even when following how-tos online. Never mind trying to connect to different VPNs. -- Joost Hello, Like Joost, I think that it's a good thing to just use /etc/conf.d/net where you always use the same WiFi network(s). When you are mobile, you should use a network manager (wicd, Network Manager, or other). Regards, Hogren
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo SDcard updates tactics
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 00:29:10 -0400, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: Seems like it should work as long as you didn't update the kernel or any other files under /boot, but why not just dd it again? Then you can be sure it works. Given the inherent fragility of SD cards, I would use dd each time, via and intermediate file. Then, when one of the cards fails, you have a backup without taking the other card out of service. -- Neil Bothwick Press button to test: release to detonate. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] VB - login from one Windows XP to another XP
On 07/10/2014 07:12, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Monday, October 06, 2014 11:17:49 PM Joseph wrote: On 10/06/14 21:22, Jc García wrote: 2014-10-06 19:52 GMT-06:00 Joseph syscon...@gmail.com: I'm running Windows XP in VirtualBox. I can NX to the running VB - Windows XP as (shadow or new) session. But that doesn't help me. Via Shadow session I would disturb the current user if I try to start another program. Via New session I can not see Windows XP session as it is running. So I think I have to start VB - Windows XP on my box and try to login to another (remote) VB - Windows XP Is it possible?. The user is running certain program, that uses database. I'm trying to login to the remote Windows XP session and start the same program as an administrator (that uses that same database). How to log-in from one windows XP to another over the network? You search in google and do a ton of clicks, this is so OT. and there are many answers out here, even the unix-style one works. Windows XP has a build in Remote Desktop but: http://www.wikihow.com/Use-Windows-XP%27s-Built-in-Remote-Desktop-Utility But I think it only works on the same subnet. As stated by others, this is way OT and Google should help here. RDC works over different subnets, even (if you're stupid enough to open the ports in the firewall) from a different country over the internet. MS Windows XP is NOT a multi-user OS, what you want to do might work, but is extremely flakey. It is a multi-user OS. The problem is that the Remote Desktop Session Host component is artificially restricted in non-server editions of Windows, preventing concurrent sessions. Those so inclined can remove this restriction with an unofficial patch that is fairly easy to find. --Kerin
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Noob WiFi question (yes-or-no answer will suffice) [SOLVED]
On Tuesday, October 07, 2014 09:50:04 AM hogren wrote: Le Tue, 07 Oct 2014 08:22:35 +0200, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org a écrit : On Monday, October 06, 2014 11:06:03 PM Mick wrote: On Monday 06 Oct 2014 11:53:54 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 21:21:03 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: nm has come a long way of late it seems. Perhaps I should revise my stance on it :-) The main reason wicd development has stopped is that the developer started using NetworkManager. Am I the only one still using /etc/conf.d/net and wpa_cli / wpa_gui? For wired desktops, I use the /etc/conf.d/net file. For laptops, where I need to connect to different WIFI networks regularly, I like the way NM just seems to work. I always had issues with wpa_cli/wpa_gui, even when following how-tos online. Never mind trying to connect to different VPNs. -- Joost Hello, Like Joost, I think that it's a good thing to just use /etc/conf.d/net where you always use the same WiFi network(s). Actually, that is not what I said. I use /etc/conf.d/net for wired desktops. All wireless is done using NM. When you are mobile, you should use a network manager (wicd, Network Manager, or other). You should use whatever you prefer. For ease-of-use, a working GUI can be preferable. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] VB - login from one Windows XP to another XP
On Tuesday, October 07, 2014 08:50:14 AM Kerin Millar wrote: On 07/10/2014 07:12, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Monday, October 06, 2014 11:17:49 PM Joseph wrote: On 10/06/14 21:22, Jc García wrote: 2014-10-06 19:52 GMT-06:00 Joseph syscon...@gmail.com: I'm running Windows XP in VirtualBox. I can NX to the running VB - Windows XP as (shadow or new) session. But that doesn't help me. Via Shadow session I would disturb the current user if I try to start another program. Via New session I can not see Windows XP session as it is running. So I think I have to start VB - Windows XP on my box and try to login to another (remote) VB - Windows XP Is it possible?. The user is running certain program, that uses database. I'm trying to login to the remote Windows XP session and start the same program as an administrator (that uses that same database). How to log-in from one windows XP to another over the network? You search in google and do a ton of clicks, this is so OT. and there are many answers out here, even the unix-style one works. Windows XP has a build in Remote Desktop but: http://www.wikihow.com/Use-Windows-XP%27s-Built-in-Remote-Desktop-Utili ty But I think it only works on the same subnet. As stated by others, this is way OT and Google should help here. RDC works over different subnets, even (if you're stupid enough to open the ports in the firewall) from a different country over the internet. MS Windows XP is NOT a multi-user OS, what you want to do might work, but is extremely flakey. It is a multi-user OS. Simultaneously? When I talk about a multi-user OS, the OS is designed to be used by multiple users simultaneously. It supports multiple user accounts, but isn't capable of properly isolating the different users when they all try to work on the same machine at the same time. The problem is that the Remote Desktop Session Host component is artificially restricted in non-server editions of Windows, preventing concurrent sessions. Those so inclined can remove this restriction with an unofficial patch that is fairly easy to find. Other parts of the non-server editions have not been tested with this patch. Never mind that you are basically violating the EULA when using that patch. -- Joost
[gentoo-user] perl-5.20.1 - has anybody managed to upgrade Perl?
Hi, dev-lang/perl-5.20.1 is in the tree (unmasked), but trying to upgrade gives me lots of blocks requiring versions which are not in the tree, yet, like [blocks B ] perl-core/Socket-2.13.0 (perl-core/Socket-2.13.0 is blocking virtual/perl-Socket-2.13.0) Has anybody tried to upgrade to this version of Perl? Many thanks for some hints/comments, Helmut
Re: [gentoo-user] perl-5.20.1 - has anybody managed to upgrade Perl?
On 07/10/2014 09:13, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, dev-lang/perl-5.20.1 is in the tree (unmasked), but trying to upgrade gives me lots of blocks requiring versions which are not in the tree, yet, like [blocks B ] perl-core/Socket-2.13.0 (perl-core/Socket-2.13.0 is blocking virtual/perl-Socket-2.13.0) Has anybody tried to upgrade to this version of Perl? Here is a generically applicable approach to handling upgrades in situations where a major dev-lang/perl update is queued. 1) emerge -auDN @world 2) If previous step fails: emerge -auDN --backtrack=30 @world 3) If previous step fails: a) emerge --deselect $(qlist -IC 'perl-core/*') b) Return to step #2 4) perl-cleaner -all 5) If previous step fails, follow the instructions in the error message 6) Re-select any perl modules that you may have explicitly requested The final step won't apply to you unless you a Perl hacker. --Kerin
Re: [gentoo-user] VB - login from one Windows XP to another XP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 07.10.2014 um 07:17 schrieb Joseph: On 10/06/14 21:22, Jc García wrote: 2014-10-06 19:52 GMT-06:00 Joseph syscon...@gmail.com: I'm running Windows XP in VirtualBox. I can NX to the running VB - Windows XP as (shadow or new) session. But that doesn't help me. Via Shadow session I would disturb the current user if I try to start another program. Via New session I can not see Windows XP session as it is running. So I think I have to start VB - Windows XP on my box and try to login to another (remote) VB - Windows XP Is it possible?. The user is running certain program, that uses database. I'm trying to login to the remote Windows XP session and start the same program as an administrator (that uses that same database). How to log-in from one windows XP to another over the network? You search in google and do a ton of clicks, this is so OT. and there are many answers out here, even the unix-style one works. Windows XP has a build in Remote Desktop but: http://www.wikihow.com/Use-Windows-XP%27s-Built-in-Remote-Desktop-Utility But I think it only works on the same subnet. If you want to use Windows RDP you can try freerdp, which is a Linux client for the build in Remote Desktop, no need for a second VM - -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With Kind Regards Randolph Maaßen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUM6ZmAAoJEG/4L2gXg7VWFwoQAMsa7Nb7TQ4XSwbLjwpRIuz5 U32YtRMFWniKioTFpEc7ftOyN7SHV0/Mp/fQxZO+1A/E5b19vrRct54r8Uo1RzMO 9RD7uTagLHvYk6kRjrRjcSyRVG52+r9gWLQ527WTgYIaXDudgNL8c33VYMaJ/RMP jqAhh8RtQRp+B0rgV7TsyF8ylbl9etU4rXkJ1QOKvTXCDMaxhP7FD3uIdep7gXn+ vqjhBFs3Aa+afaTmVFBbgjtCXfOdjxbYUDr+U9noc2FZ7nT0PlvXvZVmY/jLxKl/ 8Xe3d1O7bM5Sqrb6ayoHzv7GFkz14FJA8B9Rb69Un/a9h78eDujkHAG2WUQOHaQ8 4pJaTOAc9hvbPEf/JHW6ZrO0WTYS+rKRGrq1rYJa1IljX5JLSKJskX7ILrHxaodK kdw1yrpZWgsu5y/DZB80pTap4rzRz2evzy4XYr2Vy+Mmz43h6xMrB1gkiA986Zht tUU6TZ/T3virquhr+9Xi5A1+T2z+pCXHp/7Gutjyb9CGODhWWqWzEuPgTHa9d8WL FKmsUITpJIrYauKv6ihYL0IgcdQXPhPjWMhnKi4W36eq/N0TAfZeIrbzrZ2D3Uof jGERqH+6Qzl7XcAsChsgyOGZz5XNmecAZMXCOBtQYnIysQPl82QRCLELpv7dye0/ uBCgRnTNCsqbUwYCUU6q =UyO+ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Noob WiFi question (yes-or-no answer will suffice) [SOLVED]
Le Tue, 07 Oct 2014 10:01:57 +0200, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org a écrit : On Tuesday, October 07, 2014 09:50:04 AM hogren wrote: Le Tue, 07 Oct 2014 08:22:35 +0200, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org a écrit : On Monday, October 06, 2014 11:06:03 PM Mick wrote: On Monday 06 Oct 2014 11:53:54 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 21:21:03 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: nm has come a long way of late it seems. Perhaps I should revise my stance on it :-) The main reason wicd development has stopped is that the developer started using NetworkManager. Am I the only one still using /etc/conf.d/net and wpa_cli / wpa_gui? For wired desktops, I use the /etc/conf.d/net file. For laptops, where I need to connect to different WIFI networks regularly, I like the way NM just seems to work. I always had issues with wpa_cli/wpa_gui, even when following how-tos online. Never mind trying to connect to different VPNs. -- Joost Hello, Like Joost, I think that it's a good thing to just use /etc/conf.d/net where you always use the same WiFi network(s). Actually, that is not what I said. I use /etc/conf.d/net for wired desktops. All wireless is done using NM. yes, sorry, I mixed two ideas in my mind before to write ^^. When you are mobile, you should use a network manager (wicd, Network Manager, or other). You should use whatever you prefer. For ease-of-use, a working GUI can be preferable. -- Joost Hogren
Re: [gentoo-user] perl-5.20.1 - has anybody managed to upgrade Perl?
On 07/10/2014 09:31, Kerin Millar wrote: On 07/10/2014 09:13, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, dev-lang/perl-5.20.1 is in the tree (unmasked), but trying to upgrade gives me lots of blocks requiring versions which are not in the tree, yet, like [blocks B ] perl-core/Socket-2.13.0 (perl-core/Socket-2.13.0 is blocking virtual/perl-Socket-2.13.0) Has anybody tried to upgrade to this version of Perl? Here is a generically applicable approach to handling upgrades in situations where a major dev-lang/perl update is queued. 1) emerge -auDN @world 2) If previous step fails: emerge -auDN --backtrack=30 @world 3) If previous step fails: a) emerge --deselect $(qlist -IC 'perl-core/*') b) Return to step #2 4) perl-cleaner -all 5) If previous step fails, follow the instructions in the error message 6) Re-select any perl modules that you may have explicitly requested The final step won't apply to you unless you a Perl hacker. I meant to include the step of running emerge --depclean just after successfully concluding steps 4 or 5. --Kerin
Re: [gentoo-user] perl-5.20.1 - has anybody managed to upgrade Perl?
On 2014-10-07 10:13, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, dev-lang/perl-5.20.1 is in the tree (unmasked), but trying to upgrade gives me lots of blocks requiring versions which are not in the tree, yet, like [blocks B ] perl-core/Socket-2.13.0 (perl-core/Socket-2.13.0 is blocking virtual/perl-Socket-2.13.0) Has anybody tried to upgrade to this version of Perl? Many thanks for some hints/comments, Helmut emerge -av1 perl-cleaner emerge -av1O dev-lang/perl perl-cleaner --all
Re: [gentoo-user] perl-5.20.1 - has anybody managed to upgrade Perl?
Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote: Hi, dev-lang/perl-5.20.1 is in the tree (unmasked), but trying to upgrade gives me lots of blocks requiring versions which are not in the tree, yet, like [blocks B ] perl-core/Socket-2.13.0 (perl-core/Socket-2.13.0 is blocking virtual/perl-Socket-2.13.0) Has anybody tried to upgrade to this version of Perl? I have dont this, but I am using unstable, so maybe that is the difference. Portage did a lot of what perl-cleaner used to do, but I still had to run it anyway. A bit of strangeness, but it did work. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
[gentoo-user] Re: has anyone tried KDE5?
On 10/07/2014 06:41 PM, Pavel Volkov wrote: On Saturday, October 4, 2014 9:37:04 PM MSK, Michael Palimaka wrote: The KDE release structure has evolved[1], decoupling the release cycle of the Platform, Workspace, and Applications. This means that there is no longer a single Software Compilation in the same way there was with KDE 4. We (Gentoo KDE team) have not yet made a decision as to when the Plasma 5 Workspace will be pushed to the main tree. I've been using it on a daily basis for about six months, and consider the next release (5.1.0) to be a good candidate for the main tree. The underlying Platform (KDE Frameworks 5) upon which Plasma 5 is built is expected in the main tree in about a week, after the 5.3.0 release. I think KDE Application 5 haven't been released yet (at least I don't remember seeing the news). Are you going to package old applications with Frameworks 5 and Plasma 5? The first Applications 5 release (currently versioned 14.12) is expected in late December. KDE 4 applications work fine in a Plasma 5 environment and we'll continue to ship them for the foreseeable future.
Re: [gentoo-user] perl-5.20.1 - has anybody managed to upgrade Perl?
On 07/10/2014 10:13, Helmut Jarausch wrote:
Hi,
dev-lang/perl-5.20.1 is in the tree (unmasked), but trying to upgrade
gives me lots of blocks requiring versions which are not
in the tree, yet, like
[blocks B ] perl-core/Socket-2.13.0 (perl-core/Socket-2.13.0 is
blocking virtual/perl-Socket-2.13.0)
Has anybody tried to upgrade to this version of Perl?
Many thanks for some hints/comments,
Helmut
For me it JustWorked(tm):
$ eix -e perl
[I] dev-lang/perl
Available versions: 5.16.3(0/5.16) 5.18.2-r1(0/5.18)
(~)5.20.0-r1(0/5.20) (~)5.20.1(0/5.20) {berkdb debug doc gdbm ithreads}
Installed versions: 5.20.1(21:31:01 25/09/2014)(berkdb gdbm -debug
-doc -ithreads)
Homepage:http://www.perl.org/
Description: Larry Wall's Practical Extraction and Report
Language
The upgrade was seamless and ran to completion. Even perl-cleaner
afterwards returned nothing to do.
Have you checked your local package.* files looking for entries that
might interfere?
--
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Noob WiFi question (yes-or-no answer will suffice) [SOLVED]
On Tue, 7 Oct 2014 05:59:28 +0100, Mick wrote: The only feature that I can't get to work with my router is configuring a static address for the particular router MAC address, but using dhcpd for any other wired gateway I happen to connect to with my laptop. Do you have admin access on the router? If so, it would be simpler to configure the router's DHCP server to provide the specified address to your laptop, then you can use DHCP for everything. -- Neil Bothwick Cross-country skiing is great in small countries. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Again some headless stuff/question
On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 06:34:55 +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:
for starting and running a script on a headless system for me nohup
works perfectly.
For interactive session via ssh screen/tmux turned out to be the
solution to detach from jobs started from the commandline.
Both are hints/help I received from the community here. :)
Thank you very much !!! :)))
Since the screen/tmux thingie is THAT convenient I would like to start
this as the default when logging in via ssh.
I could write a script which is started by the shell (zsh) which in
turn is started as part of the login process.
Screen would start another shell and TADA!...
But this is an embedded system...
The result should be a running screen session right after login via
ssh.
Is there any shorter path to what I am trying to do -- without the
cascade of shells which do nothing but waiting of the child process to
end?
I have this in ~/.zshrc.
if [[ ${TERM} != screen ]] [[ -z ${STY} ]] [[ ! -f ~/.noscreen ]];
then
screen -xRR exit
fi
--
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Last words of a Windows user: = Where do I have to click now? - There?
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Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?
141007 Pavel Volkov wrote: On Sunday, October 5, 2014 9:10:50 PM MSK, Alan McKinnon wrote: I haven't used konqueror as a browser in many many months, I get along just fine with Firefox and Chromium. I believe Konqueror is essentially unmaintained these days or at least on life support. Make a fine file manager though (kparts has always been one of KDE's very much better ideas) I think there was a tendency to replace Konqueror with rekonq in KDE-based distros. Can somebody comment on how rekonq is doing? I dropped Konqueror as an alternative browser recently after it refused to accept every URL as malformed. Rekonq is an adequate replacement + Firefox for regular use ; I also use Lynx when I want text copies of WWW dox. My window manager is Fluxbox. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] Moving the portage tree to /var
Afternoon all, As a step towards exporting my portage tree over NFS I decided to move /usr/portage to /var/portage, but leave /usr/portage/packages and /usr/portage/distfiles where they are. This is how it looks now: $ grep DIR= /etc/portage/make.conf DISTDIR=/usr/portage/distfiles PKGDIR=/usr/portage/packages PORTDIR=/var/portage $ ls -l /etc/portage/make.profile lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 51 Oct 7 15:28 /etc/portage/make.profile - ../../var/portage/profiles/default/linux/amd64/13.0 $ mount | grep portage /dev/mapper/vg7-portage on /var/portage type ext4 (rw,relatime) /dev/mapper/vg7-packages on /usr/portage/packages type ext4 (rw,relatime) /dev/mapper/vg7-distfiles on /usr/portage/distfiles type ext4 (rw,relatime) This seems to work OK, except for eix-update, which gives me this: $ eix-update Reading Portage settings .. Building database (/var/cache/eix/portage.eix) .. [0] gentoo /var/portage/ (cache: metadata-md5-or-flat) Reading category 162|162 (100%) Finished [1] /usr/portage (cache: parse|ebuild*#metadata-md5#metadata-flat#assign) Reading category 162|162 (100%) EMPTY! [...] Evidently something is still pointing to /usr/portage, but I can't see what. I used to have layman and a couple of overlays on this box, but they've now gone. Well, maybe I left something lying around. I've grepped for likely-looking strings, read the docs and prodded google, but I can't see what I'm missing. Would someone please help me out? I'm sure I'm just being dense. -- Regards Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?
On Tuesday 07 Oct 2014 15:48:33 Philip Webb wrote: 141007 Pavel Volkov wrote: On Sunday, October 5, 2014 9:10:50 PM MSK, Alan McKinnon wrote: I haven't used konqueror as a browser in many many months, I get along just fine with Firefox and Chromium. I believe Konqueror is essentially unmaintained these days or at least on life support. Make a fine file manager though (kparts has always been one of KDE's very much better ideas) I think there was a tendency to replace Konqueror with rekonq in KDE-based distros. Can somebody comment on how rekonq is doing? I dropped Konqueror as an alternative browser recently after it refused to accept every URL as malformed. Rekonq is an adequate replacement + Firefox for regular use ; I also use Lynx when I want text copies of WWW dox. My window manager is Fluxbox. I still use Konqueror as file manager, ssh/ftp/webdav client and occasionally as an Internet browser. However, I have set it up to use WebKit as its browser engine instead of KHTML. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Moving the portage tree to /var
On 8 October 2014 1:09:54 AM AEST, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote: Afternoon all, As a step towards exporting my portage tree over NFS I decided to move /usr/portage to /var/portage, but leave /usr/portage/packages and /usr/portage/distfiles where they are. This is how it looks now: $ grep DIR= /etc/portage/make.conf DISTDIR=/usr/portage/distfiles PKGDIR=/usr/portage/packages PORTDIR=/var/portage $ ls -l /etc/portage/make.profile lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 51 Oct 7 15:28 /etc/portage/make.profile - ../../var/portage/profiles/default/linux/amd64/13.0 $ mount | grep portage /dev/mapper/vg7-portage on /var/portage type ext4 (rw,relatime) /dev/mapper/vg7-packages on /usr/portage/packages type ext4 (rw,relatime) /dev/mapper/vg7-distfiles on /usr/portage/distfiles type ext4 (rw,relatime) This seems to work OK, except for eix-update, which gives me this: $ eix-update Reading Portage settings .. Building database (/var/cache/eix/portage.eix) .. [0] gentoo /var/portage/ (cache: metadata-md5-or-flat) Reading category 162|162 (100%) Finished [1] /usr/portage (cache: parse|ebuild*#metadata-md5#metadata-flat#assign) Reading category 162|162 (100%) EMPTY! [...] Evidently something is still pointing to /usr/portage, but I can't see what. I used to have layman and a couple of overlays on this box, but they've now gone. Well, maybe I left something lying around. I've grepped for likely-looking strings, read the docs and prodded google, but I can't see what I'm missing. Would someone please help me out? I'm sure I'm just being dense. Check /etc/portage/repos.conf Bruce -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [gentoo-user] Moving the portage tree to /var
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:09:54 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: This seems to work OK, except for eix-update, which gives me this: $ eix-update Reading Portage settings .. Building database (/var/cache/eix/portage.eix) .. [0] gentoo /var/portage/ (cache: metadata-md5-or-flat) Reading category 162|162 (100%) Finished [1] /usr/portage (cache: parse|ebuild*#metadata-md5#metadata-flat#assign) Reading category parse|162|162 (100%) EMPTY! [...] Evidently something is still pointing to /usr/portage, but I can't see what. I've just installed a new system with the tree in /var from the outset and no /usr/portage at all, and eix behaves like this (I hadn't noticed until you pointed it out) so it may be the /usr/portage path is hard coded. This doesn't cause any problems but now you have pointed it out it is going to annoy me. -- Neil Bothwick A clean desk is a sign of a cluttered desk drawer. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Moving the portage tree to /var
On Wednesday 08 October 2014 01:29:59 Bruce Schultz wrote: Check /etc/portage/repos.conf That's it! Many thanks, Bruce. -- Regards Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] perl-5.20.1 - has anybody managed to upgrade Perl?
On 10/07/2014 10:50:53 AM, Tomas Mozes wrote: On 2014-10-07 10:13, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, dev-lang/perl-5.20.1 is in the tree (unmasked), but trying to upgrade gives me lots of blocks requiring versions which are not in the tree, yet, like [blocks B ] perl-core/Socket-2.13.0 (perl-core/Socket-2.13.0 is blocking virtual/perl-Socket-2.13.0) Has anybody tried to upgrade to this version of Perl? Many thanks for some hints/comments, Helmut emerge -av1 perl-cleaner emerge -av1O dev-lang/perl These two worked just fine, BUT perl-cleaner --all fails miserably showing many blocks mentioning versions which are not in the (unstable) tree like, e.g. perl-core/File-Spec-3.480.0 (and 28 more of those) Typically there is virtual/perl-File-Spec-3.480.0 which requires perl-core/File-Spec of the same version, but (here) there is only perl-core/File-Spec-3.400.0 I wonder how all of you could get around this? Many thanks for your help, Helmut
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Cohorent pool size too small...
Hinnerk van Bruinehsen h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de [14-10-07 17:23]: On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 06:34:06PM +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: SNIP Moin Hinnerk, (hopefully have guessed this greet correctly...I am from that part of Germany ;) I have the source of the driver exclusivly compiled for 3.8.13 as for 3.14.something (cant remember). 3.14.x has some other problems (on that embedded platform) like not powering off when shutdown, random reboots and such. So decided to go back to 3.8.13. Yesterday I started updateing (eix-sync and emerge) that Gentoo and it ends up in an endless loop (bash update) of configureing (damn slow on that mini iron) and compiling - as it looks - of a single file. After more than 10 hours I CTRL-C that, reupated and now I am ...updateing the bash again. Sigh. Currently fun is something else... Is the 3.15.10++ branch free of things like random reboot and not powering off? Moin Meino, (you've hit dead on spot: is there another valid greeting except that one? ;-) ) Right now I don't have a beaglebone black so sadly I can't provide any first hand experience. A 10 hour configure loop definitely sounds fishy to me. I'm running a (hardened) Gentoo on a Raspberry Pi right now and I do compiling natively most of the time (as it's not a that critical machine). As it's an even more mini iron I know that it can be time consuming (maybe interesting: bash: 25 minutes, 57 seconds for 29 merges). My rpi runs on a 3.16.3 kernel and my experience is that newer kernels help immensely if available (that is if the hardware is either supported upstream or there is a vendor branch testing new kernels). Especially for arm there is much better support lately. I find for less used platforms (read: not-x86/amd64) the newer kernels are often more stable than stable ones because the latter often doesn't experience much testing. So in the end there aren't many more options than just try it out (kernel builds are quick luckily because - as you stated in your other reply - kernel builds are very easily cross-compilable). Good luck/Viel Erfolg, Hinnerk Moin Hinnerk, (yes, exactly what you have said: Moin is the way to go!!! :)) 8) The problem with the kernel sources here on the beagle bone side of the street arises not from the kernel sources themselve -- so to speak the Torvaldic parts of Kernaltica -- but more from the parts which were implemented and designed to speak to the hardware itsself. 3.8.x has good cape support (cape: additonal pluggable PCBs)but less good USB and ethernet. 3.14.x has better ethernet and USB but does not switch off the board if shutdown (aka battery eater) and does random reboots. The GPIOs for the capes have to be configured more or less manually with 3.14.x. Now I am experimenting with 3.15.x...we will see. The whole process from I want to I have is time consuming, because each time a lot of sources are downloaded and my DSL is old school ;) Thanks a lot for your help! Viele Dank für Deine Hilfe! :) Meino
Re: [gentoo-user] perl-5.20.1 - has anybody managed to upgrade Perl?
On 2014-10-07 17:41, Helmut Jarausch wrote:
On 10/07/2014 10:50:53 AM, Tomas Mozes wrote:
On 2014-10-07 10:13, Helmut Jarausch wrote:
Hi,
dev-lang/perl-5.20.1 is in the tree (unmasked), but trying to upgrade
gives me lots of blocks requiring versions which are not
in the tree, yet, like
[blocks B ] perl-core/Socket-2.13.0 (perl-core/Socket-2.13.0
is blocking virtual/perl-Socket-2.13.0)
Has anybody tried to upgrade to this version of Perl?
Many thanks for some hints/comments,
Helmut
emerge -av1 perl-cleaner
emerge -av1O dev-lang/perl
These two worked just fine, BUT
perl-cleaner --all
fails miserably showing many blocks mentioning versions which are not
in the (unstable) tree
like, e.g.
perl-core/File-Spec-3.480.0 (and 28 more of those)
Typically there is virtual/perl-File-Spec-3.480.0 which requires
perl-core/File-Spec
of the same version, but (here) there is only
perl-core/File-Spec-3.400.0
I wonder how all of you could get around this?
Many thanks for your help,
Helmut
virtual/perl-File-Spec-3.480.0.ebuild:
RDEPEND=
|| ( =dev-lang/perl-5.20.1* ~perl-core/${PN#perl-}-${PV} )
!perl-core/${PN#perl-}-${PV}
!perl-core/${PN#perl-}-${PV}-r999
this says that's you don't need any perl-core of this, because if you
have perl 5.20.1* then it's already included in dev-lang/perl itself.
Emerge all your virtual/perl* packages and they will unmerge perl-core
packages that are already included in the dev-lang/perl and then run
perl-cleaner again.
Re: [gentoo-user] Moving the portage tree to /var
On 2014-10-07 17:09, Peter Humphrey wrote: Afternoon all, As a step towards exporting my portage tree over NFS I decided to move /usr/portage to /var/portage, but leave /usr/portage/packages and /usr/portage/distfiles where they are. This is how it looks now: $ grep DIR= /etc/portage/make.conf DISTDIR=/usr/portage/distfiles PKGDIR=/usr/portage/packages PORTDIR=/var/portage $ ls -l /etc/portage/make.profile lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 51 Oct 7 15:28 /etc/portage/make.profile - ../../var/portage/profiles/default/linux/amd64/13.0 $ mount | grep portage /dev/mapper/vg7-portage on /var/portage type ext4 (rw,relatime) /dev/mapper/vg7-packages on /usr/portage/packages type ext4 (rw,relatime) /dev/mapper/vg7-distfiles on /usr/portage/distfiles type ext4 (rw,relatime) This seems to work OK, except for eix-update, which gives me this: $ eix-update Reading Portage settings .. Building database (/var/cache/eix/portage.eix) .. [0] gentoo /var/portage/ (cache: metadata-md5-or-flat) Reading category 162|162 (100%) Finished [1] /usr/portage (cache: parse|ebuild*#metadata-md5#metadata-flat#assign) Reading category 162|162 (100%) EMPTY! [...] Evidently something is still pointing to /usr/portage, but I can't see what. I used to have layman and a couple of overlays on this box, but they've now gone. Well, maybe I left something lying around. I've grepped for likely-looking strings, read the docs and prodded google, but I can't see what I'm missing. Would someone please help me out? I'm sure I'm just being dense. Try adjusting /etc/portage/repos.conf/gentoo.conf
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo SDcard updates tactics
Hinnerk van Bruinehsen h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de [14-10-07 17:23]: On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 05:29:11AM +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, There are two SDcards of the same brand and model. The first one cariies a not so current Gentoo Linux. The second one is empty. Now the first one is image-copied to the second one with dd, which copies the contents of the whole device (not the partitions). Then the first one is put into my embedded system, boots up and the normal eix-syn/emerge/compiel is done to update the system (whch takes a longer time becaus this is an embedded system). Will I get a technical identical working and valid copy of the first sdcard onto the second sdcard if I rsync the relevant partition of the first onto the second sdcard. Or will I produce crap this way? Is this valid Gentoo-wise? Moin (again), this will work quite well, at least if you take care (I used this way for moving my systems to new drives or even via network to different boxes (in the latter case CFLAGS and kernel config will become important again, as you can imagine)). Ideally you should run rsync with the option to remove files not found on the source drive (otherwise you'll likely clutter the target with stale files (especially documentation but also older library versions). You will also need to change the configs (at least static network hostname, possibly more) so that both systems don't clash, at least if you plan to run both on the same network. The rm option of rsync is potentially dangerous (e.g. you can delete files from home). If you are careful this is a valid way of doing that. Another option that would move quite a bit work from one machine to the other is just building binpkgs on one host and use the other one as binhost. That way (if you use identical /etc/portage dirs) you can quite savely use portage and nonetheless negate the use of compiling (there will still be the load of dependency resplution, extracting etc). WKR Hinnerk Moin Hinnerk, ;) Good points...I have not thought deep enough about it - I think (recursion?)... Currently the master card is being updated via eix/emerge...and then... :) Best regards, Meino
Re: [gentoo-user] Moving the portage tree to /var
On 2014-10-07 17:57, Tomas Mozes wrote: On 2014-10-07 17:09, Peter Humphrey wrote: Afternoon all, As a step towards exporting my portage tree over NFS I decided to move /usr/portage to /var/portage, but leave /usr/portage/packages and /usr/portage/distfiles where they are. This is how it looks now: $ grep DIR= /etc/portage/make.conf DISTDIR=/usr/portage/distfiles PKGDIR=/usr/portage/packages PORTDIR=/var/portage $ ls -l /etc/portage/make.profile lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 51 Oct 7 15:28 /etc/portage/make.profile - ../../var/portage/profiles/default/linux/amd64/13.0 $ mount | grep portage /dev/mapper/vg7-portage on /var/portage type ext4 (rw,relatime) /dev/mapper/vg7-packages on /usr/portage/packages type ext4 (rw,relatime) /dev/mapper/vg7-distfiles on /usr/portage/distfiles type ext4 (rw,relatime) This seems to work OK, except for eix-update, which gives me this: $ eix-update Reading Portage settings .. Building database (/var/cache/eix/portage.eix) .. [0] gentoo /var/portage/ (cache: metadata-md5-or-flat) Reading category 162|162 (100%) Finished [1] /usr/portage (cache: parse|ebuild*#metadata-md5#metadata-flat#assign) Reading category 162|162 (100%) EMPTY! [...] Evidently something is still pointing to /usr/portage, but I can't see what. I used to have layman and a couple of overlays on this box, but they've now gone. Well, maybe I left something lying around. I've grepped for likely-looking strings, read the docs and prodded google, but I can't see what I'm missing. Would someone please help me out? I'm sure I'm just being dense. Try adjusting /etc/portage/repos.conf/gentoo.conf Sorry, didn't see the reply before.
Re: [gentoo-user] perl-5.20.1 - has anybody managed to upgrade Perl?
Am Dienstag, 7. Oktober 2014, 17:41:11 schrieb Helmut Jarausch: emerge -av1 perl-cleaner emerge -av1O dev-lang/perl These two worked just fine, BUT perl-cleaner --all fails miserably showing many blocks mentioning versions which are not in the (unstable) tree Please try ~arch perl-cleaner and tell us if it works better! -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer (council, kde) dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/
Re: [gentoo-user] Moving the portage tree to /var
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:39:11 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: Check /etc/portage/repos.conf That's it! Many thanks, Bruce. Indeed. That directory was either empty or absent on all my systems. copying repos.conf from /usr/share/portage and modifying the path got rid of the message. -- Neil Bothwick Walk softly and carry a fully charged phazer. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] perl-5.20.1 - has anybody managed to upgrade Perl?
On 10/07/2014 06:07:11 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: Am Dienstag, 7. Oktober 2014, 17:41:11 schrieb Helmut Jarausch: emerge -av1 perl-cleaner emerge -av1O dev-lang/perl These two worked just fine, BUT perl-cleaner --all fails miserably showing many blocks mentioning versions which are not in the (unstable) tree Please try ~arch perl-cleaner and tell us if it works better! I am on ~amd64 and did have these problems. Only Tomas hints saved me, i.e. emerge -av1O dev-lang/perl emerge -1 -j4 --keep-going `qlist -IC virtual/perl-` emerge -1 perl-cleaner Again, many thanks to Tomas, Helmut
Re: [gentoo-user] perl-5.20.1 - has anybody managed to upgrade Perl?
Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote: On 10/07/2014 10:50:53 AM, Tomas Mozes wrote: On 2014-10-07 10:13, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, dev-lang/perl-5.20.1 is in the tree (unmasked), but trying to upgrade gives me lots of blocks requiring versions which are not in the tree, yet, like [blocks B ] perl-core/Socket-2.13.0 (perl-core/Socket-2.13.0 is blocking virtual/perl-Socket-2.13.0) Has anybody tried to upgrade to this version of Perl? Many thanks for some hints/comments, Helmut emerge -av1 perl-cleaner emerge -av1O dev-lang/perl These two worked just fine, BUT perl-cleaner --all fails miserably showing many blocks mentioning versions which are not in the (unstable) tree like, e.g. perl-core/File-Spec-3.480.0 (and 28 more of those) Typically there is virtual/perl-File-Spec-3.480.0 which requires perl-core/File-Spec of the same version, but (here) there is only perl-core/File-Spec-3.400.0 I wonder how all of you could get around this? Many thanks for your help, I don't have perl-core/File-Spec installed, so I did not run into that one. But I wonder if your tree is syncing properly or someting? -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Again some headless stuff/question
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk [14-10-07 17:24]:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 06:34:55 +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:
for starting and running a script on a headless system for me nohup
works perfectly.
For interactive session via ssh screen/tmux turned out to be the
solution to detach from jobs started from the commandline.
Both are hints/help I received from the community here. :)
Thank you very much !!! :)))
Since the screen/tmux thingie is THAT convenient I would like to start
this as the default when logging in via ssh.
I could write a script which is started by the shell (zsh) which in
turn is started as part of the login process.
Screen would start another shell and TADA!...
But this is an embedded system...
The result should be a running screen session right after login via
ssh.
Is there any shorter path to what I am trying to do -- without the
cascade of shells which do nothing but waiting of the child process to
end?
I have this in ~/.zshrc.
if [[ ${TERM} != screen ]] [[ -z ${STY} ]] [[ ! -f ~/.noscreen
]]; then
screen -xRR exit
fi
--
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Last words of a Windows user: = Where do I have to click now? - There?
Hi Neil,
this logs me out instantly
If executed directly from the commandline it works.
Is there any other settings, which may effect screen?
...there is no .screenrc...
Best regards,
mcc
Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?
141007 Mick wrote: On Sunday, October 5, 2014 9:10:50 PM MSK, Alan McKinnon wrote: Konqueror ... makes a fine file manager I still use Konqueror as file manager ... I strongly recommend Krusader as file manager, tho' it has only minimal development support. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?
On Tuesday, October 07, 2014 04:20:16 PM Mick wrote: On Tuesday 07 Oct 2014 15:48:33 Philip Webb wrote: 141007 Pavel Volkov wrote: On Sunday, October 5, 2014 9:10:50 PM MSK, Alan McKinnon wrote: I haven't used konqueror as a browser in many many months, I get along just fine with Firefox and Chromium. I believe Konqueror is essentially unmaintained these days or at least on life support. Make a fine file manager though (kparts has always been one of KDE's very much better ideas) I think there was a tendency to replace Konqueror with rekonq in KDE-based distros. Can somebody comment on how rekonq is doing? I dropped Konqueror as an alternative browser recently after it refused to accept every URL as malformed. Rekonq is an adequate replacement + Firefox for regular use ; I also use Lynx when I want text copies of WWW dox. My window manager is Fluxbox. I still use Konqueror as file manager, ssh/ftp/webdav client and occasionally as an Internet browser. However, I have set it up to use WebKit as its browser engine instead of KHTML. Why not use Dolphin as file manager? -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] Was Vim compiled with +eval feature?
* Gevisz gev...@gmail.com [141006 00:19]: [SNIP] I am going to post the question about it in vim mailing list but I guess that the first question to me will be: Was your vim compiled with the +eval feature? I guess that the answer is yes but do not know it for sure. You can see what features are compiled in by running vim --version Mine does have eval compiled in. Todd
Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?
On 10/07/2014 11:26 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: Why not use Dolphin as file manager? Dolphin is pretty buggy. I've found a few and one repeats itself frequently. I'm pretty sure I found an existing bug for the issue, but it's been happening to me since 4.0. (When viewing things in tree view and you expand a folder, Dolphin randomly decides to select everything from the top of the tree to where you clicked to expand the folder. I still don't know what causes it as it happens intermittently. It sure is annoying though.) Dan
Re: [gentoo-user] Again some headless stuff/question
On Tue, 7 Oct 2014 18:46:58 +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:
Is there any shorter path to what I am trying to do -- without the
cascade of shells which do nothing but waiting of the child process
to end?
I have this in ~/.zshrc.
if [[ ${TERM} != screen ]] [[ -z ${STY} ]] [[ ! -f
~/.noscreen ]]; then screen -xRR exit
fi
this logs me out instantly
If executed directly from the commandline it works.
Is there any other settings, which may effect screen?
...there is no .screenrc...
Not that I'm aware of, but it just works[tm] for me.
I don't have a .screenrc either and /etc/screenrc is standard apart from
changing the command key and caption bar.
Check what $TERM is set to both in and out of screen. Whenver this has
not worked as exected in the past it has been because of changes to
environment variables.
--
Neil Bothwick
Very funny Scotty.. now beam down my pants!
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Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 20:26:42 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote: I still use Konqueror as file manager, ssh/ftp/webdav client and occasionally as an Internet browser. However, I have set it up to use WebKit as its browser engine instead of KHTML. Why not use Dolphin as file manager? Because neither it nor Krusader is anywhere near as flexible. I still consider the introduction of Dolphin to be a major backwards step of KDE4. -- Neil Bothwick Money can't buy happiness. But it sure makes misery easier to live with. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: has anyone tried KDE5?
Am 06.10.2014 um 11:57 schrieb Michael Palimaka: On 10/06/2014 05:34 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 04.10.2014 um 19:37 schrieb Michael Palimaka: On 10/04/2014 11:26 PM, behrouz khosravi wrote: Hello everyone. I was wondering if anyone has tried KDE5? Do you know when it's going to be placed in the main tree? thanks Hi, The KDE release structure has evolved[1], decoupling the release cycle of the Platform, Workspace, and Applications. This means that there is no longer a single Software Compilation in the same way there was with KDE 4. We (Gentoo KDE team) have not yet made a decision as to when the Plasma 5 Workspace will be pushed to the main tree. I've been using it on a daily basis for about six months, and consider the next release (5.1.0) to be a good candidate for the main tree. The underlying Platform (KDE Frameworks 5) upon which Plasma 5 is built is expected in the main tree in about a week, after the 5.3.0 release. Best regards, Michael [1]: https://dot.kde.org/2013/09/04/kde-release-structure-evolves ok, at the moment you can't even install this mess: merge: there are no ebuilds built with USE flags to satisfy =dev-qt/qtwebkit-5.3.2:5[debug=,widgets]. !!! One of the following packages is required to complete your request: - dev-qt/qtwebkit-5.3.2-r1::gentoo (Missing IUSE: widgets) (dependency required by dev-qt/qtquick1-5.3.2 [ebuild]) (dependency required by kde-frameworks/plasma-5.2.0::kde [ebuild]) (dependency required by @kde-frameworks-5.2 [argument]) yepp, three ebuilds depending on qtwebkit with the widgets useflag - that it doesn't even have. Oh joy. And that after 2h+ dealing with other useflag related shenanigans. btw from the changelog: 25 Sep 2014; Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org metadata.xml: Remove unused USE flag. that unused useflag wasn't 'widgets' by chance? ^^ Thanks for testing. It appears I missed a couple of consumers (I did check!) and it's fixed now. What other USE flag issues did you encounter? so after spending hours fighting to upgrade boost, I finally got to the point were portage let me emerge kde-framework. I went to bed. I woke up 2h later... only 9 packages were installed, the rest skipped because of wrong gcc. Crap like that should be told right at the start.
Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?
On Tuesday 07 Oct 2014 21:18:04 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 20:26:42 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote: I still use Konqueror as file manager, ssh/ftp/webdav client and occasionally as an Internet browser. However, I have set it up to use WebKit as its browser engine instead of KHTML. Why not use Dolphin as file manager? Because neither it nor Krusader is anywhere near as flexible. I still consider the introduction of Dolphin to be a major backwards step of KDE4. I agree with Neil. I can't really see what Dolphin offers that Konqueror didn't already have. Of course, with KDE4 you *have* to install Dolphin to get Konqueror to do what it always did. No point in me dissing KDE4 devs for they inspired executive decisions (pissing many of their existing user base off and not really attracting any new punters along) because others have already covered this admirably, but you get the gist. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Moving the portage tree to /var
On Tuesday 07 Oct 2014 17:08:11 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:39:11 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: Check /etc/portage/repos.conf That's it! Many thanks, Bruce. Indeed. That directory was either empty or absent on all my systems. copying repos.conf from /usr/share/portage and modifying the path got rid of the message. Shouldn't this file be populated by settings in /etc/portage/make.conf? I can't recall editing manually and it seems to have bespoke settings that I have in make.conf ... -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Moving the portage tree to /var
On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 07 Oct 2014 17:08:11 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:39:11 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: Check /etc/portage/repos.conf That's it! Many thanks, Bruce. Indeed. That directory was either empty or absent on all my systems. copying repos.conf from /usr/share/portage and modifying the path got rid of the message. Shouldn't this file be populated by settings in /etc/portage/make.conf? I can't recall editing manually and it seems to have bespoke settings that I have in make.conf ... Quite the opposite. Ideally, you should remove the PORTDIR setting from make.conf. repos.conf is the newer, more flexible way to configure it. Unfortunately, that will break some of the third-party portage tools which parse make.conf directly.
Re: [gentoo-user] Moving the portage tree to /var
On Tuesday 07 Oct 2014 22:56:28 Mike Gilbert wrote: On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 07 Oct 2014 17:08:11 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:39:11 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: Check /etc/portage/repos.conf That's it! Many thanks, Bruce. Indeed. That directory was either empty or absent on all my systems. copying repos.conf from /usr/share/portage and modifying the path got rid of the message. Shouldn't this file be populated by settings in /etc/portage/make.conf? I can't recall editing manually and it seems to have bespoke settings that I have in make.conf ... Quite the opposite. Ideally, you should remove the PORTDIR setting from make.conf. repos.conf is the newer, more flexible way to configure it. Unfortunately, that will break some of the third-party portage tools which parse make.conf directly. Scratches head ... so are we supposed to guess this, wait for a news article somewhere, or will it show up in an emerge log somewhere? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Re: New wireless adapter breaks nfs exports
On 10/05/2014 08:31 PM, Tom H wrote: On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 2:52 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: This machine (my nfsv3 file server) just got a new wireless adapter, which works fine for everything except serving files :( mount.nfs: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported google shows me lots about slow nfs connections over wireless but nothing about non-support. I'm using only nfs3 ATM because I've had so many problems with nfs4 in the past. I thought I'd ask here if nfs4 might fix the problem before changing everything. NFS works over wifi. Have you tried mounting with -v and/or -o nfsvers=3? Yes, about 30 seconds ago :) #mount -v -t nfs -o nfsvers=3 a6://usr/portage /mnt mount.nfs: timeout set for Tue Oct 7 16:35:39 2014 mount.nfs: trying text-based options 'nfsvers=3,addr=192.168.1.75' mount.nfs: prog 13, trying vers=3, prot=6 mount.nfs: trying 192.168.1.75 prog 13 vers 3 prot TCP port 2049 mount.nfs: prog 15, trying vers=3, prot=17 mount.nfs: trying 192.168.1.75 prog 15 vers 3 prot UDP port 36168 mount.nfs: mount(2): Protocol not supported mount.nfs: Protocol not supported I have nfsv4 working correctly so the urgency is gone but I'm still curious if nfsv3 really should work over wifi as well as nfsv4. Thanks.
Re: [gentoo-user] Was Vim compiled with +eval feature?
On Tue, 7 Oct 2014 14:51:06 -0400 Todd Goodman t...@bonedaddy.net wrote: * Gevisz gev...@gmail.com [141006 00:19]: [SNIP] I am going to post the question about it in vim mailing list but I guess that the first question to me will be: Was your vim compiled with the +eval feature? I guess that the answer is yes but do not know it for sure. You can see what features are compiled in by running vim --version Thank you for the tip. I have already been told this on Vim mailing list and reported this here but, as I know can see, mistakingly sent that message not to this thread.
Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?
On Tuesday, October 07, 2014 12:20:27 PM Daniel Frey wrote: On 10/07/2014 11:26 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: Why not use Dolphin as file manager? Dolphin is pretty buggy. I've found a few and one repeats itself frequently. I'm pretty sure I found an existing bug for the issue, but it's been happening to me since 4.0. (When viewing things in tree view and you expand a folder, Dolphin randomly decides to select everything from the top of the tree to where you clicked to expand the folder. I still don't know what causes it as it happens intermittently. It sure is annoying though.) Are you talking about the behaviour when you actually click on the foldername, instead of the? If yes, then that is as designed. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?
On Tuesday, October 07, 2014 09:18:04 PM Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 20:26:42 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote: I still use Konqueror as file manager, ssh/ftp/webdav client and occasionally as an Internet browser. However, I have set it up to use WebKit as its browser engine instead of KHTML. Why not use Dolphin as file manager? Because neither it nor Krusader is anywhere near as flexible. I still consider the introduction of Dolphin to be a major backwards step of KDE4. I think that's personal preference. I like Dolphin as it allows me to quickly switch to network shares (of different types) from the left of the window. Konqueror only shows the files and folders, not the Places. And I haven't found an option to add those (or something similar) How do I configure Konqueror to give me a similar view? -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New wireless adapter breaks nfs exports
On Tuesday, October 07, 2014 04:39:32 PM walt wrote: On 10/05/2014 08:31 PM, Tom H wrote: On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 2:52 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: This machine (my nfsv3 file server) just got a new wireless adapter, which works fine for everything except serving files :( mount.nfs: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported google shows me lots about slow nfs connections over wireless but nothing about non-support. I'm using only nfs3 ATM because I've had so many problems with nfs4 in the past. I thought I'd ask here if nfs4 might fix the problem before changing everything. NFS works over wifi. Have you tried mounting with -v and/or -o nfsvers=3? Yes, about 30 seconds ago :) #mount -v -t nfs -o nfsvers=3 a6://usr/portage /mnt mount.nfs: timeout set for Tue Oct 7 16:35:39 2014 mount.nfs: trying text-based options 'nfsvers=3,addr=192.168.1.75' mount.nfs: prog 13, trying vers=3, prot=6 mount.nfs: trying 192.168.1.75 prog 13 vers 3 prot TCP port 2049 mount.nfs: prog 15, trying vers=3, prot=17 mount.nfs: trying 192.168.1.75 prog 15 vers 3 prot UDP port 36168 mount.nfs: mount(2): Protocol not supported mount.nfs: Protocol not supported I have nfsv4 working correctly so the urgency is gone but I'm still curious if nfsv3 really should work over wifi as well as nfsv4. Thanks. I did have it working with my old laptop, but NFS isn't so happy with suddenly disappearing network connections. I ended up using Samba and CIFS to access network shares. Do you get the same behaviour when using a wired connection? Also, something I found out when I tried to configure a network printer once, some badly designed wireless routers (The el-cheapo consumer ones) forget to bridge the LAN and WIFI portions of the network. Try adding a route to the NFS-server via the IP of the router. That might also do the trick. # route add NFS-ip gw router-ip -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?
On Wednesday 08 Oct 2014 05:46:40 J. Roeleveld wrote: On Tuesday, October 07, 2014 09:18:04 PM Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 20:26:42 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote: I still use Konqueror as file manager, ssh/ftp/webdav client and occasionally as an Internet browser. However, I have set it up to use WebKit as its browser engine instead of KHTML. Why not use Dolphin as file manager? Because neither it nor Krusader is anywhere near as flexible. I still consider the introduction of Dolphin to be a major backwards step of KDE4. I think that's personal preference. I like Dolphin as it allows me to quickly switch to network shares (of different types) from the left of the window. Konqueror only shows the files and folders, not the Places. And I haven't found an option to add those (or something similar) How do I configure Konqueror to give me a similar view? -- Joost Do you mean: F9 to Show Sidebar, then right click on it, Configure/Add New/Places Sidebar Module? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
