Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev (viable) alternatives ?
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 07:18:30AM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote Can you find one example of any situation where the linux kernel has ever required any specific implementation of anything in userspace as a matter of policy in its 23 year history? I'm sure you could find some examples of cases where there just happened to be one de-facto implementation of something, but even that might be tough with all the diversity in the linux world. It might not be an official official requirement, but if the upstream gets rolled into systemd, then we depend on the goodwill of systemd devs not to go and break anybody else's userspace implementation. Lennart and goodwill do not belong in the same sentence. How's systemd-shim working out for Debian? Do you have any reason to think that it isn't working out? The systemd-shim and cgmanager developers have to play catch up but I'm using both on Debian and Ubuntu and they're OK.
Re: [gentoo-user] syslog-ng-3.6.1 nearly no log anymore
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 12:54 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 04:11:56PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote USE=systemd simply means to enable support for systemd, not that it is running. Generally stuff like this should be a matter of configuration, not build options. Otherwise your life as a Gentoo user would be a living nightmare when you look at how many profile use flags there are. There are already some situations where 2 programs cannot co-exist, e.g. 2 MTAs. This may be a similar situation in principle. A system daemon may operate differently under openrc than systemd. When I run emerge -pv syslog-ng I see that a systemd USE flag exists, but not an openrc USE flag. I think that's the root of the problem. The default is to support openrc. When the ebuild sees sees the systemd, it assumes you're not running openrc. Maybe the solution for syslog-ng is to add an openrc USE flag. Build in support for whichever flag is set. When experimenting, people might want to set both openrc and systemd USE flags for syslog-ng. If systemd users have to set the systemd flag for some ebuilds, I have no objection to setting the openrc USE flag in make.conf. Is the systemd USE flag an actual syslog-ng compilation option or it is a flag to generate systemd units when syslog-ng is installed? If it's the latter, an openrc flag would be a no-op, unless someone wants the option to set -openrc and not have a runscript installed.
Re: [gentoo-user] syslog-ng-3.6.1 nearly no log anymore
On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 05:32:14 -0500, Tom H wrote: Is the systemd USE flag an actual syslog-ng compilation option or it is a flag to generate systemd units when syslog-ng is installed? Both. -- Neil Bothwick Quantum leap: (adj.) literally, to move by the smallest amount theoretically possible. In advertising, to move by the largest leap imaginable (in the mind of the advertiser). There is no contradiction. pgpbVBK7DDuS3.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] apcupsd to recycle power
on 11/17/2014 03:06 AM thegeezer wrote the following: snip the only way forward that i see would be to get a small device a la raspberry pi, and have that run apcupsd on it. you can then have that device run wake on lan if it detects the power is good, and trigger remote shutdown when not. Thanks. I am going to try and do some more tests though ...
[gentoo-user] wireless interface problem in new installation
Hi. I was going to install gentoo on my laptop and since I needed an easy WPA2 wireless connection I used system rescue cd for installation. After finishing the installation when I booted gentoo the ifconfig -a didnt show my wireless interface. I thought that I have not included the driver, so I used the genkernel to compile another kernel but the problem is not gone. have I missed something? thanks
Re: [gentoo-user] wireless interface problem in new installation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 17/11/14 14:42, behrouz khosravi wrote: Hi. I was going to install gentoo on my laptop and since I needed an easy WPA2 wireless connection I used system rescue cd for installation. After finishing the installation when I booted gentoo the ifconfig -a didnt show my wireless interface. I thought that I have not included the driver, so I used the genkernel to compile another kernel but the problem is not gone. have I missed something? thanks Hm, does wireless device require firmware? Have you installed firmware properly? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJUaekHAAoJEK64IL1uI2haivUIAJN6zsbPkxfvErtate/YV0AI KCNv+BJlcQWE9QbM5puHkK03B8sQb5NMWBlThW+vt6TpACMkwe8mWfUadALZIt9e 0RrjsSlsLjncsSX0lbxHPGyIgMgwqQF+6T0tWl6Y6gbryXzBJHfKl0+zGEgX/VNZ wcxEDL5gitAQjQe3qqYCM9AgJA26bup5Cy6Ijaf6QhmD9NB50QTBPO7zodY46hbh cOZiA52lwPDk9nLYOFWPFlqlBJhS5MwF2Q7CRhItSa6wAOJAUffR97m9qgWUMFhr pOjUHVNJHIRFWz8n0ZrQ2tNUnjXtWt2qYd8UMMgTt7aGGcb8wZtTUzuaqZpb1vQ= =HjmP -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] syslog-ng-3.6.1 nearly no log anymore
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 5:44 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 05:32:14 -0500, Tom H wrote: Is the systemd USE flag an actual syslog-ng compilation option or it is a flag to generate systemd units when syslog-ng is installed? Both. Please read the ebuild before giving answers like this. The unit file is installed regardless of flag setting (which is the standard policy). There is a compile-time option which this also toggles, and it also changes the logrotate script (which probably isn't ideal). I don't know offhand what toggling the compile-time option does. It seems that it does more than simply enable systemd support, though there might be run-time options to control that and if so those should be added to the openrc init.d script. Looking at the syslog-ng admin guide, consider changing your log source from system() (which autodetects the source) to something like: unix-dgram(/dev/log); file(/proc/kmsg program-override(kernel) flags(kernel)); That appears to be what system() does when not running systemd. If this works then I think upstream might accept a bug report on this - the autodetection code isn't actually detecting whether systemd is running, but whether it was enabled/installed/etc. -- Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] syslog-ng-3.6.1 nearly no log anymore
On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 07:59:57 -0500, Rich Freeman wrote: Is the systemd USE flag an actual syslog-ng compilation option or it is a flag to generate systemd units when syslog-ng is installed? Both. Please read the ebuild before giving answers like this. The unit file is installed regardless of flag setting (which is the standard policy). There is a compile-time option which this also toggles, and it also changes the logrotate script (which probably isn't ideal). I did, it's just that my memory isn't what it used to be. I know about the compile time option and the logrotate script, see my previous post on it, but for some reason thought that the unit file was also optional. -- Neil Bothwick Head: (n.) the part of a disk drive which detects sectors and decides which of the two possible values to return: 'lose a turn' or 'bankrupt.' pgpG3sINFRTBC.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] wireless interface problem in new installation
Hm, does wireless device require firmware? Have you installed firmware properly? I dont think so. I have installed gentoo on it before and back then I just used the genkernel and it was working.
Re: [gentoo-user] syslog-ng-3.6.1 nearly no log anymore
On 11/13/2014 05:41:27 PM, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, after upgrading from syslog-ng-3.5.6 to syslog-ng-3.6.1 my system has stopped logging, i.e. I only get the messages Nov 12 21:04:10 numa syslog-ng[1392]: syslog-ng shutting down; version='3.6.1' Nov 13 14:52:20 numa syslog-ng[1392]: syslog-ng starting up; version='3.6.1' Has anybody observed the same problem, and how to fix it? As noted earlier, I'm still using openrc but I have systemd installed, as well. Meanwhile, I have re-installed syslog-ng-3.6.1 WITHOUT the systemd use flag. Now, it works just fine. Should I make a bug report on this? Many thanks to all who have helped, Helmut
Re: [gentoo-user] wireless interface problem in new installation
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:32 PM, behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com wrote: Hm, does wireless device require firmware? Have you installed firmware properly? I dont think so. I have installed gentoo on it before and back then I just used the genkernel and it was working. What's the output of 'lspci -k'?
Re: [gentoo-user] wireless interface problem in new installation
On Nov 17, 2014 7:32 PM, Alexander Kapshuk alexander.kaps...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:32 PM, behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com wrote: Hm, does wireless device require firmware? Have you installed firmware properly? I dont think so. I have installed gentoo on it before and back then I just used the genkernel and it was working. What's the output of 'lspci -k'? It shows the device which is a atheros ar9285 But doesnt show any kernel driver in use for it. So that is because the driver is not compiled?
Re: [gentoo-user] wireless interface problem in new installation
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 6:58 PM, behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 17, 2014 7:32 PM, Alexander Kapshuk alexander.kaps...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:32 PM, behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com wrote: Hm, does wireless device require firmware? Have you installed firmware properly? I dont think so. I have installed gentoo on it before and back then I just used the genkernel and it was working. What's the output of 'lspci -k'? It shows the device which is a atheros ar9285 But doesnt show any kernel driver in use for it. So that is because the driver is not compiled? I dare say the kernel driver may not have been compiled into the kernel, or compiled as a kernel module. What's the output of 'cd /usr/src/linux grep -i ath .config'?
Re: [gentoo-user] wireless interface problem in new installation
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Alexander Kapshuk alexander.kaps...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 6:58 PM, behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 17, 2014 7:32 PM, Alexander Kapshuk alexander.kaps...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:32 PM, behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com wrote: Hm, does wireless device require firmware? Have you installed firmware properly? I dont think so. I have installed gentoo on it before and back then I just used the genkernel and it was working. What's the output of 'lspci -k'? It shows the device which is a atheros ar9285 But doesnt show any kernel driver in use for it. So that is because the driver is not compiled? I dare say the kernel driver may not have been compiled into the kernel, or compiled as a kernel module. What's the output of 'cd /usr/src/linux grep -i ath .config'? The driver that supports your wireless card is ath9k by the looks of it. You want to make sure CONFIG_ATH9K is either set to Y, or M in your .config file.
Re: [gentoo-user] wireless interface problem in new installation
On Nov 17, 2014 8:46 PM, Alexander Kapshuk alexander.kaps...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 6:58 PM, behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 17, 2014 7:32 PM, Alexander Kapshuk alexander.kaps...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:32 PM, behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com wrote: Hm, does wireless device require firmware? Have you installed firmware properly? I dont think so. I have installed gentoo on it before and back then I just used the genkernel and it was working. What's the output of 'lspci -k'? It shows the device which is a atheros ar9285 But doesnt show any kernel driver in use for it. So that is because the driver is not compiled? I dare say the kernel driver may not have been compiled into the kernel, or compiled as a kernel module. What's the output of 'cd /usr/src/linux grep -i ath .config'? Well I looked and the relevant module was not compiled. I have changed the config so I cant answer your question unfortunately ! I hope new kernel will fix it. But I have used the previous config in kernel about 2 month ago. I cant believe I have not used the wireless that time!
Re: [gentoo-user] wireless interface problem in new installation
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 7:36 PM, behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 17, 2014 8:46 PM, Alexander Kapshuk alexander.kaps...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 6:58 PM, behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 17, 2014 7:32 PM, Alexander Kapshuk alexander.kaps...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:32 PM, behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com wrote: Hm, does wireless device require firmware? Have you installed firmware properly? I dont think so. I have installed gentoo on it before and back then I just used the genkernel and it was working. What's the output of 'lspci -k'? It shows the device which is a atheros ar9285 But doesnt show any kernel driver in use for it. So that is because the driver is not compiled? I dare say the kernel driver may not have been compiled into the kernel, or compiled as a kernel module. What's the output of 'cd /usr/src/linux grep -i ath .config'? Well I looked and the relevant module was not compiled. I have changed the config so I cant answer your question unfortunately ! I hope new kernel will fix it. But I have used the previous config in kernel about 2 month ago. I cant believe I have not used the wireless that time! Do let us know how you go with the module built into the kernel.
Re: [gentoo-user] wireless interface problem in new installation
On Nov 17, 2014 9:06 PM, behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 17, 2014 8:46 PM, Alexander Kapshuk alexander.kaps...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 6:58 PM, behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 17, 2014 7:32 PM, Alexander Kapshuk alexander.kaps...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:32 PM, behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com wrote: Hm, does wireless device require firmware? Have you installed firmware properly? I dont think so. I have installed gentoo on it before and back then I just used the genkernel and it was working. What's the output of 'lspci -k'? It shows the device which is a atheros ar9285 But doesnt show any kernel driver in use for it. So that is because the driver is not compiled? I dare say the kernel driver may not have been compiled into the kernel, or compiled as a kernel module. What's the output of 'cd /usr/src/linux grep -i ath .config'? Well I looked and the relevant module was not compiled. I have changed the config so I cant answer your question unfortunately ! I hope new kernel will fix it. But I have used the previous config in kernel about 2 month ago. I cant believe I have not used the wireless that time! Well thank you very much. The new kernel works. Good day
Re: [gentoo-user] wireless interface problem in new installation
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 7:55 PM, behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 17, 2014 9:06 PM, behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 17, 2014 8:46 PM, Alexander Kapshuk alexander.kaps...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 6:58 PM, behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 17, 2014 7:32 PM, Alexander Kapshuk alexander.kaps...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:32 PM, behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com wrote: Hm, does wireless device require firmware? Have you installed firmware properly? I dont think so. I have installed gentoo on it before and back then I just used the genkernel and it was working. What's the output of 'lspci -k'? It shows the device which is a atheros ar9285 But doesnt show any kernel driver in use for it. So that is because the driver is not compiled? I dare say the kernel driver may not have been compiled into the kernel, or compiled as a kernel module. What's the output of 'cd /usr/src/linux grep -i ath .config'? Well I looked and the relevant module was not compiled. I have changed the config so I cant answer your question unfortunately ! I hope new kernel will fix it. But I have used the previous config in kernel about 2 month ago. I cant believe I have not used the wireless that time! Well thank you very much. The new kernel works. Good day Good to hear. Thanks for letting us know.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: qt5
Jauhien knows what he is doing. If he is waiting on the QT5 bug to be resolved, then that is where it is sitting. Surely you should open up a bgo ticket on QTcreator? I am not sure there is any bug. I thought it's only about configuration. My main reason for writing the initial mail was to get better understanding on what is going on. Actually I still haven't gotten that :-/ Anybody could tell me what's going on and answer my initial questions? Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] syslog-ng-3.6.1 nearly no log anymore
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote: Should I make a bug report on this? See my post. I suggest testing the different input source options to understand what the actual problem is. I suspect this is an upstream bug in the implementation of system(), but I can't say for sure without testing. -- Rich
[gentoo-user] Re: qt5
Michael Vetter michael.vetter at uni-konstanz.de writes: Jauhien knows what he is doing. If he is waiting on the QT5 bug to be resolved, then that is where it is sitting. Surely you should open up a bgo ticket on QTcreator? Anybody could tell me what's going on and answer my initial questions? Bug 454132 on BGO. hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] kexec
On 17/11/14 03:25, wraeth wrote: Would I be correct in guessing that this is dependant on sys-apps/kexec-tools being installed and CONFIG_KEXEC being enabled in the kernel? correct. And, with CONFIG_KEXEC, is that required for the old kernel, new kernel or both? just the one you are kexec'ing from. the new one could be a buntu kernel with completely different root= Also, how would one go about manually using kexec while still adhearing to a clean shutdown (going down through init, rather than just reset into the new kernel)? don't know in systemd but in openrc it would be stop all running services. umount everything except root remount root with option readonly kexec -e hope this has been interesting! It has, and having read this I'm going to try and play around with it in the next couple of days. please do let us know how you get on :)
Re: [gentoo-user] difficulties with lvm2+systemd+grub2
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 12:21:37PM +1100, wraeth wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 07:43:18PM +0100, Michael Mair-Keimberger wrote: Basically my changes in my grub config were already correct, however I completely forgot, that, since I wrote my own init script, arg's like root and init simply weren't used by my script... If you look at my script, I only check the cmdline for lvm, so setting init or root haven't any effect at all :D Glad you got this part of it sorted! I know how both relieving and frustrating it can be to find such a simple thing as the solution - it took me two weeks to realise I was calling 'mpc' and not 'mpd' in my startup script, explaining why MPD was never running... :-/ Thanks! Yeah, it can be really frustration, but it's worth the relieving feeling when you found the bug :) Regarding dracut: Even though I got it to work, it also just bootet openrc and not systemd. Don't know why and I didn't digged further after it worked with my own script. You could try inspecting dmesg to try and determine why it isn't loading your chosen init. It could be something as simple as a typo, or if the filesystem (if you have /usr on a separate partition) isn't available at the time it's trying to launch init. Pretty sure! However, honestly I didn't look further into dracut for now (maybe another day - if I want to know how they work with lvm). BTW, with `dracut --print-cmdline` it prints you an example grub entry for your system, however it's doesn't set init and I think (otherwise I guess it would have work here) as long as you didn't already boot into systemd it wouldn't use it too... Regarding LVM: As mentioned systemd can't mount my lvm partitions from fstab. Those lvm partitions should be mounted by UUID, but it seems like systemd can't find them, even though there are available afterwards (under /dev/vg0/...). I've found dracut initrd's can be a little finicky with LVM volumes. With that in mind, here's the kernel cmdline for one of my systems wich uses LUKS-LVM-EXT4 for it's root partition. Note that it has explicit arguments for *all* LV's and not just root. BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-3.17.1-gentoo-r1 root=/dev/mapper/vg1-root ro rd.luks.uuid=luks-3f93b8aa-cf8b-4312-85d6-d45cffa59780 rd.lvm.lv=vg1/swap rd.lvm.lv=vg1/root resume=/dev/mapper/vg1-swap rootflags=rw,noatime,data=ordered rootfstype=ext4 quiet Thanks for sharing. From dracut's manual (man dracut.cmdline), rd.lvm.lv only activates given logical volumes, which should be the same like `vgchange -a y` (however i didn't look what exactly dracut does here). Since I'm already doing `vgchange -a y` in my init script, these logical volumes should be available for systemd. I've also checked for systemd's lvm service (lvm2-lvmetad.service) to make sure it's enabled and starts on boot, but it didn't changed anything. However, for now I just read-only mount these lv's directly via my init script and remount them write-able via /etc/local.d/*.start script's (glad to see systemd can make use of these scripts :) ) If I comment them out in /etc/fstab (they are not important) systemd boots just fine. I've also set use_lvmetad = 1 in /etc/lvm/lvm.conf as mentioned at the systemd wiki. This is a dracut-ism, in that if a static filesystem (as denoted by it's presence in /etc/fstab) is unmountable, it will assume there are problems and will drop to recovery. The idea of recovery is to identify your root partition with a symlink to the device node, after which you *should* be able to continue. ln -s /dev/root_device /dev/root See [1] for more. That being said, it may continue to drop to recovery - I've found the dracut recovery console to be a little temperamental with things like that... [1]: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Dracut_problems Hmm, not sure about that. I think you misunderstood me ;) I wasn't drop into dracut's (or in this case in my initramfs) rescue shell (if you meant that). I was drop into systemd maintaince mode, which means after it couldn't mount these other lv's it stops all services, keep / read only and ask for the root password. Done that I was still able to remount / and all other partitions... It seems like fstab's static filesystem are mandatory for systemd ;) Cheers; -- wraeth wra...@wraeth.id.au GnuPG Key: B2D9F759 -- greetings Michael Mair-Keimberger signature.asc Description: Digital signature
[gentoo-user] question about binhost's
Hi list, I was setting up an binhost recently and i couldn't found any information how to keep old builds. Usually, for example a newer version of tcpdump gets build, the old build will be deleted. Only different slots were keeped. However, I want to keep these old builds but I haven't found an option for that. Is it even possible to keep these? If not, anyone know why? if it's not possible there must be a reason and i couldn't think of anyone... -- greetings Michael Mair-Keimberger signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] question about binhost's
On 17/11/2014 23:01, Michael Mair-Keimberger wrote: Hi list, I was setting up an binhost recently and i couldn't found any information how to keep old builds. Usually, for example a newer version of tcpdump gets build, the old build will be deleted. Only different slots were keeped. However, I want to keep these old builds but I haven't found an option for that. Is it even possible to keep these? If not, anyone know why? if it's not possible there must be a reason and i couldn't think of anyone... short answer: emerge -b long answer: read man emerge. All of it. Gotchas await. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
[gentoo-user] Inconsistency in portage automake package versioning
In today's system update I was advised to update sys-devel/automake from version 1.11.6 to version 1.11.6-r1. However, just after the update the system reported that sys-devel/automake has version 1.13.4. Is it only me who think that something is wrong here? The commands and their output is given below. # emerge --update --deep --with-bdeps=y --newuse --backtrack=90 --ask world These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild U ] sys-devel/automake-1.11.6-r1 [1.11.6] Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No] y ... Installing (1 of 1) sys-devel/automake-1.11.6-r1 Auto-cleaning packages... No outdated packages were found on your system. * Regenerating GNU info directory index... * Processed 148 info files. * After world updates, it is important to remove obsolete packages with * emerge --depclean. Refer to `man emerge` for more information. # emerge --search automake Searching... [ Results for search key : automake ] [ Applications found : 2 ] * sys-devel/automake Latest version available: 1.13.4 Latest version installed: 1.13.4 Size of files: 1,415 kB Homepage: http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/ Description: Used to generate Makefile.in from Makefile.am License: GPL-2 * sys-devel/automake-wrapper Latest version available: 9 Latest version installed: 9 Size of files: 0 kB Homepage: http://www.gentoo.org/ Description: wrapper for automake to manage multiple automake versions License: GPL-2
Re: [gentoo-user] question about binhost's
On 17/11/14 21:01, Michael Mair-Keimberger wrote: Hi list, I was setting up an binhost recently and i couldn't found any information how to keep old builds. Usually, for example a newer version of tcpdump gets build, the old build will be deleted. Only different slots were keeped. However, I want to keep these old builds but I haven't found an option for that. Is it even possible to keep these? If not, anyone know why? if it's not possible there must be a reason and i couldn't think of anyone... um, these _are_ kept until you run # eclean packages unless i'm missing something ? so you can still emerge -K old-apps/package for an example, in my /usr/portage/packages/app-shells on my laptop i have # ls -lah total 6.8M drwx-- 2 root root 4.0K Oct 14 21:02 . drwx-- 76 root root 4.0K Nov 17 10:51 .. -rw--- 1 root root 1.2M Sep 5 10:43 bash-4.2_p45.tbz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.2M Sep 26 20:52 bash-4.2_p48-r1.tbz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.2M Oct 1 14:33 bash-4.2_p50.tbz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.2M Oct 2 22:22 bash-4.2_p51.tbz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.2M Oct 6 10:09 bash-4.2_p52.tbz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.2M Oct 9 23:50 bash-4.2_p53.tbz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8.4K Oct 14 21:02 push-1.6.tbz2
Re: [gentoo-user] question about binhost's
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:27:08PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 17/11/2014 23:01, Michael Mair-Keimberger wrote: Hi list, I was setting up an binhost recently and i couldn't found any information how to keep old builds. Usually, for example a newer version of tcpdump gets build, the old build will be deleted. Only different slots were keeped. However, I want to keep these old builds but I haven't found an option for that. Is it even possible to keep these? If not, anyone know why? if it's not possible there must be a reason and i couldn't think of anyone... short answer: emerge -b long answer: read man emerge. All of it. Gotchas await. Well, the man page doesn't describe why it can't keep old builds... (don't know what you referring too) I do know `emerge -b` creates binary packages, but i orginally asked for a way to keep older versions of binary packages. Example: emerge -b =net-analyzer/tcpdump-4.5.1-r1 - binary package for tcpdump-4.5.1-r1 gets created emerge -b =net-analyzer/tcpdump-4.6.2 - binary package for tcpdump-4.6.2 gets created AND tcpdump-4.5.1-r1 gets deleted However, I want to keep tcpdump-4.5.1-r1 if possible. Is there a way? Simply emerge -b isn't sufficiency. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com -- greetings Michael Mair-Keimberger signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] question about binhost's
On 17/11/2014 23:32, thegeezer wrote: On 17/11/14 21:01, Michael Mair-Keimberger wrote: Hi list, I was setting up an binhost recently and i couldn't found any information how to keep old builds. Usually, for example a newer version of tcpdump gets build, the old build will be deleted. Only different slots were keeped. However, I want to keep these old builds but I haven't found an option for that. Is it even possible to keep these? If not, anyone know why? if it's not possible there must be a reason and i couldn't think of anyone... um, these _are_ kept until you run # eclean packages unless i'm missing something ? No, you're not missing something. The OP seems to be non-English-first- language and the question is poorly worded to a native speaker. He's saying that emerge overwrites the previous installed version when it rebuilds a package and he wants to keep it. The solution to that is binpkgs. You are talking about what happens to binpkg you already have, he is asking how to get binpkgs in the first place so you can still emerge -K old-apps/package for an example, in my /usr/portage/packages/app-shells on my laptop i have # ls -lah total 6.8M drwx-- 2 root root 4.0K Oct 14 21:02 . drwx-- 76 root root 4.0K Nov 17 10:51 .. -rw--- 1 root root 1.2M Sep 5 10:43 bash-4.2_p45.tbz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.2M Sep 26 20:52 bash-4.2_p48-r1.tbz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.2M Oct 1 14:33 bash-4.2_p50.tbz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.2M Oct 2 22:22 bash-4.2_p51.tbz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.2M Oct 6 10:09 bash-4.2_p52.tbz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.2M Oct 9 23:50 bash-4.2_p53.tbz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8.4K Oct 14 21:02 push-1.6.tbz2 -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Inconsistency in portage automake package versioning
On 11/17/2014 04:29 PM, Gevisz wrote: In today's system update I was advised to update sys-devel/automake from version 1.11.6 to version 1.11.6-r1. However, just after the update the system reported that sys-devel/automake has version 1.13.4. Is it only me who think that something is wrong here? You have both installed, 1.13.4 is just the latest. Give eix a try, it will make your life better. In this case equery also works: $ equery l automake * Searching for automake ... [IP-] [ ] sys-devel/automake-1.11.6-r1:1.11 [IP-] [ ] sys-devel/automake-1.13.4:1.13
Re: [gentoo-user] Inconsistency in portage automake package versioning
On 17/11/2014 23:29, Gevisz wrote: In today's system update I was advised to update sys-devel/automake from version 1.11.6 to version 1.11.6-r1. However, just after the update the system reported that sys-devel/automake has version 1.13.4. Is it only me who think that something is wrong here? The commands and their output is given below. # emerge --update --deep --with-bdeps=y --newuse --backtrack=90 --ask world These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild U ] sys-devel/automake-1.11.6-r1 [1.11.6] Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No] y ... Installing (1 of 1) sys-devel/automake-1.11.6-r1 Auto-cleaning packages... No outdated packages were found on your system. * Regenerating GNU info directory index... * Processed 148 info files. * After world updates, it is important to remove obsolete packages with * emerge --depclean. Refer to `man emerge` for more information. # emerge --search automake ... Nothing wrong there. automake is SLOTted. emerge upgraded one of your installed SLOTs, and that slot is not the highest version number you have. p.s. make life easier for yourself when searching the tree. Install eix and stop using emerge --search. eix runs out a gazillion times faster :-) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] question about binhost's
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 09:32:45PM +, thegeezer wrote: On 17/11/14 21:01, Michael Mair-Keimberger wrote: Hi list, I was setting up an binhost recently and i couldn't found any information how to keep old builds. Usually, for example a newer version of tcpdump gets build, the old build will be deleted. Only different slots were keeped. However, I want to keep these old builds but I haven't found an option for that. Is it even possible to keep these? If not, anyone know why? if it's not possible there must be a reason and i couldn't think of anyone... um, these _are_ kept until you run # eclean packages unless i'm missing something ? so you can still emerge -K old-apps/package for an example, in my /usr/portage/packages/app-shells on my laptop i have # ls -lah total 6.8M drwx-- 2 root root 4.0K Oct 14 21:02 . drwx-- 76 root root 4.0K Nov 17 10:51 .. -rw--- 1 root root 1.2M Sep 5 10:43 bash-4.2_p45.tbz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.2M Sep 26 20:52 bash-4.2_p48-r1.tbz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.2M Oct 1 14:33 bash-4.2_p50.tbz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.2M Oct 2 22:22 bash-4.2_p51.tbz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.2M Oct 6 10:09 bash-4.2_p52.tbz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.2M Oct 9 23:50 bash-4.2_p53.tbz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8.4K Oct 14 21:02 push-1.6.tbz2 Hmm, that's interesting. I just checked another binhost and they clearly were kept. I don't know why it doesn't work with mine but it's definitely a problem with my system. Gonna check what's configured wrong. Anyway, thanks for the hint. -- greetings Michael Mair-Keimberger signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] question about binhost's
On 17/11/2014 23:46, Michael Mair-Keimberger wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:27:08PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 17/11/2014 23:01, Michael Mair-Keimberger wrote: Hi list, I was setting up an binhost recently and i couldn't found any information how to keep old builds. Usually, for example a newer version of tcpdump gets build, the old build will be deleted. Only different slots were keeped. However, I want to keep these old builds but I haven't found an option for that. Is it even possible to keep these? If not, anyone know why? if it's not possible there must be a reason and i couldn't think of anyone... short answer: emerge -b long answer: read man emerge. All of it. Gotchas await. Well, the man page doesn't describe why it can't keep old builds... (don't know what you referring too) I do know `emerge -b` creates binary packages, but i orginally asked for a way to keep older versions of binary packages. You can't because emerge does not work that way[1]. If you want to keep the contents of an installed package: a. use binpkgs to create an archive of the package at the time it is built (not at the time is is about to be replaced) b. Manually run quickpkg on packages you are interested in before emerging them [1] Unless Zac added this feature since the last time I read the man pages. Won't be the first time a new feature sneaked in without a user noticing :-) Example: emerge -b =net-analyzer/tcpdump-4.5.1-r1 - binary package for tcpdump-4.5.1-r1 gets created emerge -b =net-analyzer/tcpdump-4.6.2 - binary package for tcpdump-4.6.2 gets created AND tcpdump-4.5.1-r1 gets deleted However, I want to keep tcpdump-4.5.1-r1 if possible. Is there a way? Simply emerge -b isn't sufficiency. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] question about binhost's
On Nov 17, 2014, at 23:46, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 17/11/2014 23:32, thegeezer wrote: On 17/11/14 21:01, Michael Mair-Keimberger wrote: Hi list, I was setting up an binhost recently and i couldn't found any information how to keep old builds. Usually, for example a newer version of tcpdump gets build, the old build will be deleted. Only different slots were keeped. However, I want to keep these old builds but I haven't found an option for that. Is it even possible to keep these? If not, anyone know why? if it's not possible there must be a reason and i couldn't think of anyone... um, these _are_ kept until you run # eclean packages unless i'm missing something ? No, you're not missing something. The OP seems to be non-English-first- language and the question is poorly worded to a native speaker. He's saying that emerge overwrites the previous installed version when it rebuilds a package and he wants to keep it. The solution to that is binpkgs. You are talking about what happens to binpkg you already have, he is asking how to get binpkgs in the first place You also have a tool called 'quickpkg'. With that you can make binpkgs out of packages already installed on your system without recompiling. This might be a good tool for you if you have not made them in the first place. so you can still emerge -K old-apps/package for an example, in my /usr/portage/packages/app-shells on my laptop i have # ls -lah total 6.8M drwx-- 2 root root 4.0K Oct 14 21:02 . drwx-- 76 root root 4.0K Nov 17 10:51 .. -rw--- 1 root root 1.2M Sep 5 10:43 bash-4.2_p45.tbz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.2M Sep 26 20:52 bash-4.2_p48-r1.tbz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.2M Oct 1 14:33 bash-4.2_p50.tbz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.2M Oct 2 22:22 bash-4.2_p51.tbz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.2M Oct 6 10:09 bash-4.2_p52.tbz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.2M Oct 9 23:50 bash-4.2_p53.tbz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8.4K Oct 14 21:02 push-1.6.tbz2 -- -Matti
Re: [gentoo-user] question about binhost's
On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 22:55:05 +0100, Michael Mair-Keimberger wrote: Hmm, that's interesting. I just checked another binhost and they clearly were kept. I don't know why it doesn't work with mine but it's definitely a problem with my system. They should be kept, it defeats one of the main reasons for using -b if the old package is deleted - the ability to quickly roll back if a package update causes problems. Are you running eclean from a cron job or a portage env script? -- Neil Bothwick I typed Format SER: and accidentally killed a telephone operator! pgpwhv9SDaRDI.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Inconsistency in portage automake package versioning
On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 16:46:48 -0500 Michael Orlitzky m...@gentoo.org wrote: On 11/17/2014 04:29 PM, Gevisz wrote: In today's system update I was advised to update sys-devel/automake from version 1.11.6 to version 1.11.6-r1. However, just after the update the system reported that sys-devel/automake has version 1.13.4. Is it only me who think that something is wrong here? You have both installed, 1.13.4 is just the latest. Give eix a try, it will make your life better. In this case equery also works: $ equery l automake * Searching for automake ... [IP-] [ ] sys-devel/automake-1.11.6-r1:1.11 [IP-] [ ] sys-devel/automake-1.13.4:1.13 Thank you for explanation. Tried but could not find out which packages need automake-1.11.6.
Re: [gentoo-user] Inconsistency in portage automake package versioning
On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 23:49:18 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 17/11/2014 23:29, Gevisz wrote: In today's system update I was advised to update sys-devel/automake from version 1.11.6 to version 1.11.6-r1. However, just after the update the system reported that sys-devel/automake has version 1.13.4. Is it only me who think that something is wrong here? The commands and their output is given below. # emerge --update --deep --with-bdeps=y --newuse --backtrack=90 --ask world These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild U ] sys-devel/automake-1.11.6-r1 [1.11.6] Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No] y ... Installing (1 of 1) sys-devel/automake-1.11.6-r1 Auto-cleaning packages... No outdated packages were found on your system. * Regenerating GNU info directory index... * Processed 148 info files. * After world updates, it is important to remove obsolete packages with * emerge --depclean. Refer to `man emerge` for more information. # emerge --search automake ... Nothing wrong there. automake is SLOTted. emerge upgraded one of your installed SLOTs, and that slot is not the highest version number you have. Thank you for explanation. p.s. make life easier for yourself when searching the tree. Install eix and stop using emerge --search. eix runs out a gazillion times faster :-) As fas as I remember, I have eix installed but used only once. :) Have to re-read its documentation first.
Re: [gentoo-user] Inconsistency in portage automake package versioning
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 00:55:09 +0200, Gevisz wrote: You have both installed, 1.13.4 is just the latest. Give eix a try, it will make your life better. In this case equery also works: $ equery l automake * Searching for automake ... [IP-] [ ] sys-devel/automake-1.11.6-r1sys-devel/automake-1.11.6-r1:1.11 [IP-] [ ] sys-devel/automake-1.13.4:1.13 Thank you for explanation. Tried but could not find out which packages need automake-1.11.6. emerge -cpv =sys-devel/automake-1.11.6-r1 -- Neil Bothwick WinErr 011: Window open - Do not look outside -- Neil Bothwick Unsolicited advice is the junk mail of life pgpK757Fk91qP.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] Re: Inconsistency in portage automake package versioning
Gevisz gevisz at gmail.com writes: p.s. make life easier for yourself when searching the tree. Install eix and stop using emerge --search. eix runs out a gazillion times faster As fas as I remember, I have eix installed but used only once. :) Have to re-read its documentation first. Best thing to remember about 'eix' is to run 'eix-update', periodically. hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Inconsistency in portage automake package versioning
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 18/11/14 14:13, James wrote: Gevisz gevisz at gmail.com writes: p.s. make life easier for yourself when searching the tree. Install eix and stop using emerge --search. eix runs out a gazillion times faster As fas as I remember, I have eix installed but used only once. :) Have to re-read its documentation first. Best thing to remember about 'eix' is to run 'eix-update', periodically. eix actually has a sync wrapper that can handle this for you automagically [1]. `eix-sync` will run: layman -S # sync all layman overlays (see note) emerge --sync # sync portage and all portage-managed overlays eix-update # update the eix cache eix-diff # show diff between last and current eix cache (though the eix-diff can be --quiet'd). If using eix as your normal search utility, I would suggest using `eix-sync` as your normal sync method. With regard to eix-sync updating layman overlays, you need to: echo * /etc/eix-sync.conf to enable it. [1]: http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Eix Cheers. - -- wraeth wra...@wraeth.id.au GnuPG Key: B2D9F759 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iF4EAREIAAYFAlRqvIcACgkQXcRKerLZ91lweAD5AR317CBb2d8WZsdyRB73FPFC 5fsRWHhWe2n9oUbd+HIA/1yWDIQvDQ9JeN2CQnss5Se9TPZkLW3KlfuvzPt62vKe =w3dc -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] Inconsistency in portage automake package versioning
2014-11-18 2:04 GMT+02:00 Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk: On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 00:55:09 +0200, Gevisz wrote: You have both installed, 1.13.4 is just the latest. Give eix a try, it will make your life better. In this case equery also works: $ equery l automake * Searching for automake ... [IP-] [ ] sys-devel/automake-1.11.6-r1sys-devel/automake-1.11.6-r1:1.11 [IP-] [ ] sys-devel/automake-1.13.4:1.13 Thank you for explanation. Tried but could not find out which packages need automake-1.11.6. emerge -cpv =sys-devel/automake-1.11.6-r1 Thank you. So, automake-1.11.6 is needed for media-libs/gegl, which in its turn is needed for media-gfx/gimp.
Re: [gentoo-user] question about binhost's
On Monday 17 Nov 2014 22:14:47 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 22:55:05 +0100, Michael Mair-Keimberger wrote: Hmm, that's interesting. I just checked another binhost and they clearly were kept. I don't know why it doesn't work with mine but it's definitely a problem with my system. They should be kept, it defeats one of the main reasons for using -b if the old package is deleted - the ability to quickly roll back if a package update causes problems. Are you running eclean from a cron job or a portage env script? Interestingly, how do you remove an binary package using portage when you no longer need it? Using 'rm -i package' manually? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] apcupsd to recycle power
On Friday, November 14, 2014 08:53:13 PM Thanasis wrote: I have an APC SC620I, which in case of power failure, it successfully initiates a shutdown to the connected (via SMART cable) PC, but if the mains power returns, the UPS does not recycle the power to the PC, and consequently the PC stays off. Not all UPSs have functionality to cycle the power outputs when the power returns. And some that do require a specific command to be sent to it to enable this, which might need some closed-source client that only works on MS Windows. A few years ago there was a message on the nut website asking for a boycot of APC because they changed the protocol and refuse to provide info on it, forcing people to use the APC bloatware. (Requiring Java just to talk to a UPS?) -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] wireless interface problem in new installation
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 9:27 PM, Alexander Kapshuk alexander.kaps...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 7:55 PM, behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 17, 2014 9:06 PM, behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 17, 2014 8:46 PM, Alexander Kapshuk alexander.kaps...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 6:58 PM, behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 17, 2014 7:32 PM, Alexander Kapshuk alexander.kaps...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:32 PM, behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com wrote: Hm, does wireless device require firmware? Have you installed firmware properly? I dont think so. I have installed gentoo on it before and back then I just used the genkernel and it was working. What's the output of 'lspci -k'? It shows the device which is a atheros ar9285 But doesnt show any kernel driver in use for it. So that is because the driver is not compiled? I dare say the kernel driver may not have been compiled into the kernel, or compiled as a kernel module. What's the output of 'cd /usr/src/linux grep -i ath .config'? Well I looked and the relevant module was not compiled. I have changed the config so I cant answer your question unfortunately ! I hope new kernel will fix it. But I have used the previous config in kernel about 2 month ago. I cant believe I have not used the wireless that time! Well thank you very much. The new kernel works. Good day Good to hear. Thanks for letting us know. Thanks for your help!
Re: [gentoo-user] question about binhost's
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 06:45:51AM +, Mick wrote: Interestingly, how do you remove an binary package using portage when you no longer need it? Using 'rm -i package' manually? The `eclean` utility from app-portage/gentoolkit can do this for you (as well as maintaining your distfiles directory). There's nothing overly special about it, though, so if you feel the need you can just `rm` files (though eclean is better). -- wraeth wra...@wraeth.id.au GnuPG Key: B2D9F759 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
