Re: [gentoo-user] Dual booting with Windows 10

2017-09-14 Thread R0b0t1 
On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 8:16 PM, taii...@gmx.com  wrote:
> Install it in a VM!
>

Yes, this is a very good option. I can verify everything  "works" but
sometimes you will experience sporadic errors with new hardware. You
won't waste time on this if it does happen; in every case I have seen
it shows up immediately.

Unfortunately you may have to go off the beaten path some and avoid
libvirtd or manually edit the same's configuration files. I can
provide summaries of the manuals and wikis available if you want.

Cheers,
 R0b0t1

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual booting with Windows 10

2017-09-14 Thread taii...@gmx.com 

Install it in a VM!

If your system supports IOMMU for graphics devices here is something 
special you can do:


I would instead consider purchasing an additional PCI-e graphics device 
and a PCI-e usb card then installing Windows in a VM with IOMMU-GFX, 
this way you can have your cake and eat it too.


I play my games in a windows VM on my libre coreboot workstation, it 
works great and I highly recommend it
Another reason a VM is much better is that windows doesn't get access to 
your bare metal hardware unless you forward a device so it can't send 
serial numbers back to MS for their spying/marketing database, such as 
your HDD serial number or NIC mac address, and one can avoid a bad virus 
as you can simply restore a previous VM snapshot.


[1] (for the VM's keyboard and mouse if you don't have more than one usb 
controller onboard)

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual booting with Windows 10

2017-09-14 Thread R0b0t1 
On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 3:20 AM, Peter Humphrey  wrote:
> On Thursday, 14 September 2017 05:09:14 BST R0b0t1 wrote:
>
>> The trickiest part is still the same - going from GRUB or, now, your
>> EFI shell, to Window's bootloader. See here:
>> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB#Chainloading_Windows.2FLinux_ins
>> talled_in_UEFI_mode.
>
> That advice, though helpful, is about Grub, which isn't installed on this
> box. I did try at first to get it to work here, but failed, so I removed it
> and went for bootctl. It's a fiddle to keep up to date with kernel upgrades,
> but at least it works.
>

In that case it seems like systemd-boot will check for the Windows
loader and add it to its menu automatically
(https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/systemd-boot#Adding_boot_entries).
As above, you may need to reinstall it if the Windows bootloader
installs itself on top of systemd-boot.

I originally thought you were just booting an EFI stub kernel, in
which case you would have needed some kind of boot manager.

Re: [gentoo-user] locale no longer recognised by Plasma and KDE apps?

2017-09-14 Thread Peter Humphrey 
On Thursday, 14 September 2017 11:33:50 BST Mick wrote:
> On Thursday, 14 September 2017 11:11:01 BST Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > On Thursday, 14 September 2017 09:25:14 BST Mick wrote:
> > > Another complain surfaced:  apparently users cannot edit their own
> > > user
> > > icon, the one that appears to the left of the name of the user in the
> > > start up panel.  systemsettings5 only allows one to add a user. 
> > > Existing
> > > user accounts are not listed.
> > 
> > Now that's definitely wrong. I have no users other than myself, but I do
> > appear in the user manager. I do have to give the root password to save
> > any changes I make, though, which is only natural.
> 
> This particular box has two users.  I logged in with my user (I belong to
> the wheel group) and still no existing users were listed.  All I could do
> is add a new user, which is not something I would like to do.
> 
> Can you please confirm if you are running systemd with your Plasma
> installation?

No, just good old openrc.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] locale no longer recognised by Plasma and KDE apps?

2017-09-14 Thread Mick 
On Thursday, 14 September 2017 11:11:01 BST Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Thursday, 14 September 2017 09:25:14 BST Mick wrote:
> > Another complain surfaced:  apparently users cannot edit their own user
> > icon, the one that appears to the left of the name of the user in the
> > start up panel.  systemsettings5 only allows one to add a user.  Existing
> > user accounts are not listed.
> 
> Now that's definitely wrong. I have no users other than myself, but I do
> appear in the user manager. I do have to give the root password to save any
> changes I make, though, which is only natural.

This particular box has two users.  I logged in with my user (I belong to the 
wheel group) and still no existing users were listed.  All I could do is add a 
new user, which is not something I would like to do.

Can you please confirm if you are running systemd with your Plasma 
installation?

-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] locale no longer recognised by Plasma and KDE apps?

2017-09-14 Thread Peter Humphrey 
On Thursday, 14 September 2017 09:25:14 BST Mick wrote:

> Another complain surfaced:  apparently users cannot edit their own user
> icon, the one that appears to the left of the name of the user in the
> start up panel.  systemsettings5 only allows one to add a user.  Existing
> user accounts are not listed.

Now that's definitely wrong. I have no users other than myself, but I do 
appear in the user manager. I do have to give the root password to save any 
changes I make, though, which is only natural.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] locale no longer recognised by Plasma and KDE apps?

2017-09-14 Thread Peter Humphrey 
On Thursday, 14 September 2017 09:57:17 BST Mick wrote:

> Hmm ... I have the following:
> 
> $ env | grep LANG
> LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
> 
> $ grep GB /etc/portage/make.conf
> LINGUAS="en_GB en"
> L10N="en-GB"
> 
> I wasn't aware there is a LANGUAGE variable.  I couldn't find it here:
> 
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Localization/Guide
> 
> Is this is a new setting?  What applications use this?

You have me there. No, it's very far from new; it's just survived in 
make.conf by default. Maybe it doesn't exist any more. I'll try removing it 
and see what happens.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] locale no longer recognised by Plasma and KDE apps?

2017-09-14 Thread Mick 
On Thursday, 14 September 2017 09:03:21 BST Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Wednesday, 13 September 2017 23:38:48 BST Mick wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 13 September 2017 23:16:07 BST Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, 13 September 2017 18:07:20 BST Mick wrote:
> > > > Another little problem I came across with Plasma is that neither the
> > > > keyboard, nor the spell checking respects the locale, L10N, or
> > > > anything else I have set up.  systemsettings5 shows en-GB as the
> > > > selected language and keyboard, but (I think) a US keyboard layout and
> > > > spell checking language is used instead.
> > > 
> > > In what applications, Mick?
> > 
> > Kate, Kmail, Firefox, et al.
> 
> In KMail, you need to set the language in your Identity, under Advanced.
> KMail ignores the system-wide setting, and so does KWrite. 

Aha!  I had forgotten about this setting in Kmail, but unfortunately it makes 
no difference.  The setting in question seems to be desktop wide and affects 
all applications within Plasma.  :-(


> In Firefox, as
> far as I can remember the language was already right. I don't use Kate; in
> fact, it seems not to be present. Libre Office seems to associate its
> language with each document.
> 
> > > > Is this another systemd-R-us imposition, or is there a way I can set
> > > > it up so that Plasma & friends respect the default environment
> > > > settings?
> > > > 
> > > > $ env | grep LANG
> > > > LANG=en_GB.UTF8
> > > 
> > > I have en_GB set up and apparently working. I haven't done anything in
> > > particular to the environment, just used applications' setup.
> > 
> > The keyboard layout works fine on console and other desktop environments.
> > It is just Plasma I noticed is not collaborating.
> > 
> > Are you also running Plasma with openrc?
> 
> Yes. Here are my language settings:
> 
> $ env | grep LANG
> LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
> LANGUAGE=en_GB
> 
> $ grep GB /etc/portage/make.conf
> LANG="en_GB.UTF-8"
> LANGUAGE="en_GB.UTF-8"
> L10N="en-GB en"
> LINGUAS="en_GB en"
> 
> You haven't been caught by that L10N trap, have you? The hyphen where you
> would expect an underscore?

Hmm ... I have the following:

$ env | grep LANG
LANG=en_GB.UTF-8

$ grep GB /etc/portage/make.conf
LINGUAS="en_GB en"
L10N="en-GB"

I wasn't aware there is a LANGUAGE variable.  I couldn't find it here:

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Localization/Guide

Is this is a new setting?  What applications use this?
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] locale no longer recognised by Plasma and KDE apps?

2017-09-14 Thread Mick 
On Wednesday, 13 September 2017 23:38:48 BST Mick wrote:
> On Wednesday, 13 September 2017 23:16:07 BST Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 13 September 2017 18:07:20 BST Mick wrote:
> > > Another little problem I came across with Plasma is that neither the
> > > keyboard, nor the spell checking respects the locale, L10N, or anything
> > > else I have set up.  systemsettings5 shows en-GB as the selected
> > > language
> > > and keyboard, but (I think) a US keyboard layout and spell checking
> > > language is used instead.
> > 
> > In what applications, Mick?
> 
> Kate, Kmail, Firefox, et al.
> 
> > > Is this another systemd-R-us imposition, or is there a way I can set it
> > > up
> > > so that Plasma & friends respect the default environment settings?
> > > 
> > > $ env | grep LANG
> > > LANG=en_GB.UTF8
> > 
> > I have en_GB set up and apparently working. I haven't done anything in
> > particular to the environment, just used applications' setup.
> 
> The keyboard layout works fine on console and other desktop environments. 
> It is just Plasma I noticed is not collaborating.
> 
> Are you also running Plasma with openrc?

Another complain surfaced:  apparently users cannot edit their own user icon, 
the one that appears to the left of the name of the user in the start up 
panel.  systemsettings5 only allows one to add a user.  Existing user accounts 
are not listed.

-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Dual booting with Windows 10

2017-09-14 Thread Peter Humphrey 
On Thursday, 14 September 2017 05:09:14 BST R0b0t1 wrote:

> The trickiest part is still the same - going from GRUB or, now, your
> EFI shell, to Window's bootloader. See here:
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB#Chainloading_Windows.2FLinux_ins
> talled_in_UEFI_mode.

That advice, though helpful, is about Grub, which isn't installed on this 
box. I did try at first to get it to work here, but failed, so I removed it 
and went for bootctl. It's a fiddle to keep up to date with kernel upgrades, 
but at least it works.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] locale no longer recognised by Plasma and KDE apps?

2017-09-14 Thread Peter Humphrey 
On Wednesday, 13 September 2017 23:38:48 BST Mick wrote:
> On Wednesday, 13 September 2017 23:16:07 BST Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 13 September 2017 18:07:20 BST Mick wrote:
> > > Another little problem I came across with Plasma is that neither the
> > > keyboard, nor the spell checking respects the locale, L10N, or
> > > anything else I have set up.  systemsettings5 shows en-GB as the
> > > selected language and keyboard, but (I think) a US keyboard layout and
> > > spell checking language is used instead.
> > 
> > In what applications, Mick?
> 
> Kate, Kmail, Firefox, et al.

In KMail, you need to set the language in your Identity, under Advanced. 
KMail ignores the system-wide setting, and so does KWrite. In Firefox, as 
far as I can remember the language was already right. I don't use Kate; in 
fact, it seems not to be present. Libre Office seems to associate its 
language with each document.

> > > Is this another systemd-R-us imposition, or is there a way I can set
> > > it up so that Plasma & friends respect the default environment
> > > settings?
> > > 
> > > $ env | grep LANG
> > > LANG=en_GB.UTF8
> > 
> > I have en_GB set up and apparently working. I haven't done anything in
> > particular to the environment, just used applications' setup.
> 
> The keyboard layout works fine on console and other desktop environments. 
> It is just Plasma I noticed is not collaborating.
> 
> Are you also running Plasma with openrc?

Yes. Here are my language settings:

$ env | grep LANG
LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
LANGUAGE=en_GB

$ grep GB /etc/portage/make.conf
LANG="en_GB.UTF-8"
LANGUAGE="en_GB.UTF-8"
L10N="en-GB en"
LINGUAS="en_GB en"

You haven't been caught by that L10N trap, have you? The hyphen where you 
would expect an underscore?

-- 
Regards,
Peter.