Re: [gentoo-user] New install - Wayland and graphical login
On 26/06/21 00:51, Michael wrote: > On Friday, 25 June 2021 20:15:22 BST antlists wrote: >> On 25/06/2021 09:46, Michael wrote: >>> On Friday, 25 June 2021 08:50:32 BST antlists wrote: On 23/06/2021 10:11, jdm wrote: > On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 16:17:41 +0100 > > Michael wrote: >> On Monday, 21 June 2021 17:27:31 BST Wols Lists wrote: >>> What happens when you get to the end of the handbook? >>> >>> I want to get a working Wayland setup with a (multi-user) graphical >>> login. When I set my old system up ($DEITY knows how long ago) I >>> seem to remember a page on setting up X, and all sorts of stuff. >>> >>> Now, you seem to get dumped at working tty1 prompt, and then the >>> *helpful* documentation JUST STOPS. It doesn't even point you at >>> anything! (Yes it points you at the portage page about how to >>> maintain your system, but that isn't much use if you can't DO >>> anything with the system...) >>> >>> I've found the page on Wayland, but it just says "set this use flag >>> and install two packages". >>> >>> Where's the documentation that tells me what I need, and how to set >>> it up, please ... >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Wol >> >> Have you tried using a Display Manager? Some of my systems won't >> work with Wayland, but I haven't spent time to find out why all I get >> with them is a black screen. >> >> Anyway, from a VT you'd run something like: >> >> XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session startplasma-wayland >> >> or >> >> XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session gnome-session > > There is a wayland greeter which uses greetd and gtkgreet which may > be worth looking at and there is a gentoo wiki which goes a long with > it. It works with wayfire which is a nice wayland window manager and is > very reliable. > > Also look at https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wayland_Desktop_Landscape Thanks, but I'm none the wiser ... the thing is, for X the instructions are simple - "install xorg, run startx". Okay, I've done that and got errors I need to solve, but with Wayland I just don't have a clue. I don't know what I need, I don't know how to start it, all I've got is a pile of bits in a box, and I don't know what to do with them. Everything I find is like a meccano set - there's loads of bits and pieces, but no instructions, and I don't have a clue how they fit together. Where's the recipe that says "do this this and this and you should have a gui"? Cheers, Wol >>> From what I recall as long as you set USE="wayland" globally and >>> re-emerge >>> >>> world with '--changed-use' you should able to launch your dekstop in >>> wayland, rather than Xserver. >>> >>> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wayland >>> >>> There is a caveat, to make things simple: your desktop environment should >>> have full support for wayland compositing - e.g. Plasma and Gnome come >>> ready baked with their own compositor and will run in Wayland. Window >>> managers which do not possess a compositor will require one installed >>> separately, as noted in jdm's post, but then we're getting into a box >>> with a pile of bits in it. >>> >>> To launch wayland you can either install a Display Manager and select to >>> start wayland from its GUI options, instead of X11, or you can run the >>> stanzas I provided above. >> >> Bear in mind my profile is desktop/plasma/systemd ... >> >> This is very informative, but it blows up on me ... I've checked that >> wayland is in my use flags so that should all be okay ... >> >> # XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session startplasma-wayland >> ... startplasma-wayland not found ... >> >> # emerge qtgreet >> emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "qtgreet". >> >> So you've massively helped in that I now know much better how things fit >> together, but unfortunately you've also been no help at all in that the >> stuff you've pointed at doesn't work ... >> >> Where do I go from here ... >> >> Cheers, >> Wol > > I don't think systemd is different (although I don't use it with Gentoo), > unless you want to launch a Display Manager like e.g. sddm. Looking at sddm, it appears to require X? I might well have to play with that, given that I want a multi-user system (indeed, multi-head) system, but that can wait ... > > Given your error, you appear to not have installed the requisite packages for > the Plasma/KDE. It should have been installed as a dependency of plasma- > workspace: Ah. Another piece of missing information ... I'll try that. I would have thought that would have been pulled in seeing as I've got wayland and qt use flags etc > > $ qfile startplasma-wayland > kde-plasma/plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/startplasma-wayland > > If you have Gnome already installed then you can use the stanza for gnome- > session instead. > My use flags also contain
Re: [gentoo-user] New install - Wayland and graphical login
On Friday, 25 June 2021 20:15:22 BST antlists wrote: > On 25/06/2021 09:46, Michael wrote: > > On Friday, 25 June 2021 08:50:32 BST antlists wrote: > >> On 23/06/2021 10:11, jdm wrote: > >>> On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 16:17:41 +0100 > >>> > >>> Michael wrote: > On Monday, 21 June 2021 17:27:31 BST Wols Lists wrote: > > What happens when you get to the end of the handbook? > > > > I want to get a working Wayland setup with a (multi-user) graphical > > login. When I set my old system up ($DEITY knows how long ago) I > > seem to remember a page on setting up X, and all sorts of stuff. > > > > Now, you seem to get dumped at working tty1 prompt, and then the > > *helpful* documentation JUST STOPS. It doesn't even point you at > > anything! (Yes it points you at the portage page about how to > > maintain your system, but that isn't much use if you can't DO > > anything with the system...) > > > > I've found the page on Wayland, but it just says "set this use flag > > and install two packages". > > > > Where's the documentation that tells me what I need, and how to set > > it up, please ... > > > > Cheers, > > Wol > > Have you tried using a Display Manager? Some of my systems won't > work with Wayland, but I haven't spent time to find out why all I get > with them is a black screen. > > Anyway, from a VT you'd run something like: > > XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session startplasma-wayland > > or > > XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session gnome-session > >>> > >>> There is a wayland greeter which uses greetd and gtkgreet which may > >>> be worth looking at and there is a gentoo wiki which goes a long with > >>> it. It works with wayfire which is a nice wayland window manager and is > >>> very reliable. > >>> > >>> Also look at https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wayland_Desktop_Landscape > >> > >> Thanks, but I'm none the wiser ... the thing is, for X the instructions > >> are simple - "install xorg, run startx". > >> > >> Okay, I've done that and got errors I need to solve, but with Wayland I > >> just don't have a clue. I don't know what I need, I don't know how to > >> start it, all I've got is a pile of bits in a box, and I don't know what > >> to do with them. > >> > >> Everything I find is like a meccano set - there's loads of bits and > >> pieces, but no instructions, and I don't have a clue how they fit > >> together. Where's the recipe that says "do this this and this and you > >> should have a gui"? > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Wol > >> > > From what I recall as long as you set USE="wayland" globally and > > re-emerge > > > > world with '--changed-use' you should able to launch your dekstop in > > wayland, rather than Xserver. > > > > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wayland > > > > There is a caveat, to make things simple: your desktop environment should > > have full support for wayland compositing - e.g. Plasma and Gnome come > > ready baked with their own compositor and will run in Wayland. Window > > managers which do not possess a compositor will require one installed > > separately, as noted in jdm's post, but then we're getting into a box > > with a pile of bits in it. > > > > To launch wayland you can either install a Display Manager and select to > > start wayland from its GUI options, instead of X11, or you can run the > > stanzas I provided above. > > Bear in mind my profile is desktop/plasma/systemd ... > > This is very informative, but it blows up on me ... I've checked that > wayland is in my use flags so that should all be okay ... > > # XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session startplasma-wayland > ... startplasma-wayland not found ... > > # emerge qtgreet > emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "qtgreet". > > So you've massively helped in that I now know much better how things fit > together, but unfortunately you've also been no help at all in that the > stuff you've pointed at doesn't work ... > > Where do I go from here ... > > Cheers, > Wol I don't think systemd is different (although I don't use it with Gentoo), unless you want to launch a Display Manager like e.g. sddm. Given your error, you appear to not have installed the requisite packages for the Plasma/KDE. It should have been installed as a dependency of plasma- workspace: $ qfile startplasma-wayland kde-plasma/plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/startplasma-wayland If you have Gnome already installed then you can use the stanza for gnome- session instead. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] New install - Wayland and graphical login
On 25/06/2021 09:46, Michael wrote: On Friday, 25 June 2021 08:50:32 BST antlists wrote: On 23/06/2021 10:11, jdm wrote: On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 16:17:41 +0100 Michael wrote: On Monday, 21 June 2021 17:27:31 BST Wols Lists wrote: What happens when you get to the end of the handbook? I want to get a working Wayland setup with a (multi-user) graphical login. When I set my old system up ($DEITY knows how long ago) I seem to remember a page on setting up X, and all sorts of stuff. Now, you seem to get dumped at working tty1 prompt, and then the *helpful* documentation JUST STOPS. It doesn't even point you at anything! (Yes it points you at the portage page about how to maintain your system, but that isn't much use if you can't DO anything with the system...) I've found the page on Wayland, but it just says "set this use flag and install two packages". Where's the documentation that tells me what I need, and how to set it up, please ... Cheers, Wol Have you tried using a Display Manager? Some of my systems won't work with Wayland, but I haven't spent time to find out why all I get with them is a black screen. Anyway, from a VT you'd run something like: XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session startplasma-wayland or XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session gnome-session There is a wayland greeter which uses greetd and gtkgreet which may be worth looking at and there is a gentoo wiki which goes a long with it. It works with wayfire which is a nice wayland window manager and is very reliable. Also look at https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wayland_Desktop_Landscape Thanks, but I'm none the wiser ... the thing is, for X the instructions are simple - "install xorg, run startx". Okay, I've done that and got errors I need to solve, but with Wayland I just don't have a clue. I don't know what I need, I don't know how to start it, all I've got is a pile of bits in a box, and I don't know what to do with them. Everything I find is like a meccano set - there's loads of bits and pieces, but no instructions, and I don't have a clue how they fit together. Where's the recipe that says "do this this and this and you should have a gui"? Cheers, Wol From what I recall as long as you set USE="wayland" globally and re-emerge world with '--changed-use' you should able to launch your dekstop in wayland, rather than Xserver. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wayland There is a caveat, to make things simple: your desktop environment should have full support for wayland compositing - e.g. Plasma and Gnome come ready baked with their own compositor and will run in Wayland. Window managers which do not possess a compositor will require one installed separately, as noted in jdm's post, but then we're getting into a box with a pile of bits in it. To launch wayland you can either install a Display Manager and select to start wayland from its GUI options, instead of X11, or you can run the stanzas I provided above. Bear in mind my profile is desktop/plasma/systemd ... This is very informative, but it blows up on me ... I've checked that wayland is in my use flags so that should all be okay ... # XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session startplasma-wayland ... startplasma-wayland not found ... # emerge qtgreet emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "qtgreet". So you've massively helped in that I now know much better how things fit together, but unfortunately you've also been no help at all in that the stuff you've pointed at doesn't work ... Where do I go from here ... Cheers, Wol
Re: [gentoo-user] New install - Wayland and graphical login
On Friday, 25 June 2021 08:50:32 BST antlists wrote: > On 23/06/2021 10:11, jdm wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 16:17:41 +0100 > > > > Michael wrote: > >> On Monday, 21 June 2021 17:27:31 BST Wols Lists wrote: > >>> What happens when you get to the end of the handbook? > >>> > >>> I want to get a working Wayland setup with a (multi-user) graphical > >>> login. When I set my old system up ($DEITY knows how long ago) I > >>> seem to remember a page on setting up X, and all sorts of stuff. > >>> > >>> Now, you seem to get dumped at working tty1 prompt, and then the > >>> *helpful* documentation JUST STOPS. It doesn't even point you at > >>> anything! (Yes it points you at the portage page about how to > >>> maintain your system, but that isn't much use if you can't DO > >>> anything with the system...) > >>> > >>> I've found the page on Wayland, but it just says "set this use flag > >>> and install two packages". > >>> > >>> Where's the documentation that tells me what I need, and how to set > >>> it up, please ... > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Wol > >> > >> Have you tried using a Display Manager? Some of my systems won't > >> work with Wayland, but I haven't spent time to find out why all I get > >> with them is a black screen. > >> > >> Anyway, from a VT you'd run something like: > >> > >> XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session startplasma-wayland > >> > >> or > >> > >> XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session gnome-session > > > > There is a wayland greeter which uses greetd and gtkgreet which may > > be worth looking at and there is a gentoo wiki which goes a long with > > it. It works with wayfire which is a nice wayland window manager and is > > very reliable. > > > > Also look at https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wayland_Desktop_Landscape > > Thanks, but I'm none the wiser ... the thing is, for X the instructions > are simple - "install xorg, run startx". > > Okay, I've done that and got errors I need to solve, but with Wayland I > just don't have a clue. I don't know what I need, I don't know how to > start it, all I've got is a pile of bits in a box, and I don't know what > to do with them. > > Everything I find is like a meccano set - there's loads of bits and > pieces, but no instructions, and I don't have a clue how they fit > together. Where's the recipe that says "do this this and this and you > should have a gui"? > > Cheers, > Wol >From what I recall as long as you set USE="wayland" globally and re-emerge world with '--changed-use' you should able to launch your dekstop in wayland, rather than Xserver. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wayland There is a caveat, to make things simple: your desktop environment should have full support for wayland compositing - e.g. Plasma and Gnome come ready baked with their own compositor and will run in Wayland. Window managers which do not possess a compositor will require one installed separately, as noted in jdm's post, but then we're getting into a box with a pile of bits in it. To launch wayland you can either install a Display Manager and select to start wayland from its GUI options, instead of X11, or you can run the stanzas I provided above. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] New install - Wayland and graphical login
On 23/06/2021 10:11, jdm wrote: On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 16:17:41 +0100 Michael wrote: On Monday, 21 June 2021 17:27:31 BST Wols Lists wrote: What happens when you get to the end of the handbook? I want to get a working Wayland setup with a (multi-user) graphical login. When I set my old system up ($DEITY knows how long ago) I seem to remember a page on setting up X, and all sorts of stuff. Now, you seem to get dumped at working tty1 prompt, and then the *helpful* documentation JUST STOPS. It doesn't even point you at anything! (Yes it points you at the portage page about how to maintain your system, but that isn't much use if you can't DO anything with the system...) I've found the page on Wayland, but it just says "set this use flag and install two packages". Where's the documentation that tells me what I need, and how to set it up, please ... Cheers, Wol Have you tried using a Display Manager? Some of my systems won't work with Wayland, but I haven't spent time to find out why all I get with them is a black screen. Anyway, from a VT you'd run something like: XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session startplasma-wayland or XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session gnome-session There is a wayland greeter which uses greetd and gtkgreet which may be worth looking at and there is a gentoo wiki which goes a long with it. It works with wayfire which is a nice wayland window manager and is very reliable. Also look at https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wayland_Desktop_Landscape Thanks, but I'm none the wiser ... the thing is, for X the instructions are simple - "install xorg, run startx". Okay, I've done that and got errors I need to solve, but with Wayland I just don't have a clue. I don't know what I need, I don't know how to start it, all I've got is a pile of bits in a box, and I don't know what to do with them. Everything I find is like a meccano set - there's loads of bits and pieces, but no instructions, and I don't have a clue how they fit together. Where's the recipe that says "do this this and this and you should have a gui"? Cheers, Wol
