Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

[Christopher Robinson]

Neil, 
There you go again twisting my words.I never said it compiles to a graphic 
desktop. I said it gets
to one, after compiling. Try to read more carefully, will you?
Please keep to your promise not to respond to my posts.

 n Sat, 9/24/16, Neil Bothwick <n...@digimed.co.uk> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New Install
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Date: Saturday, September 24, 2016, 7:15 PM
 
 On Sat, 24 Sep 2016
 22:42:00 + (UTC), Christopher Robinson wrote:
 
 >  I appreciate this reply. I did assume
 that after I booted the minimal
 > install
 and the files compiled I could get to a graphic desktop.
 That
 > is what happens with the Live DVD,
 in spite of the fact that Neil sees
 > no
 difference bewteen the two.
 
 Thank you for that clarification. I always
 appreciate being told what I
 think by
 someone who doesn't know me.
 
 The Live DVD does not compile a graphic
 desktop, it does not know which
 one you
 want. It may boot to a graphic desktop but that is a
 completely
 different thing and has no
 bearing on the installation process.
 
 
 -- 
 Neil
 Bothwick
 
 Justify my text?
 I'm sorry but it has no excuse.

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

[Christopher Robinson]

On Sat, 9/24/16, J. Roeleveld <jo...@antarean.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New Install
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Date: Saturday, September 24, 2016, 6:25 PM
 
 On September 25, 2016
 12:10:59 AM GMT+02:00, Dutch Ingraham <s...@gmx.us> wrote:
 >On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 09:49:07PM +,
 J. Roeleveld wrote:
 >> On September
 24, 2016 11:42:23 PM GMT+02:00, Christopher Robinson
 ><chrisrobin...@rocketmail.com>
 wrote:Joost,

 I appreciate this reply. I did assume that after I booted the minimal install 
and the files compiled
I could get to a graphic desktop. That is what happens with the Live DVD, in 
spite of the fact that 
Neil sees no difference bewteen the two. II now understand that there is no 
installer. The password/
user again was based on a mistaken similarity between the minimal install and 
the Live DVD.
My thinking was that the minimal install required a password/user to run 
whereas the Live DVD
did not.


 >> >Joost you should not be
 responding to people seeking help. Your
 >> >attititude is offensive.
 >> 
 >> Please do
 enlighten us. What part of the email you are responding
 to
 >is offensive?
 >
 >
 >I'd just like to
 take a moment and commend the regular posters to this
 >list, from whom I have learned much over
 the last few years, for
 >showing
 >what is, in my opinion, great restraint and
 civility towards the OP. 
 >If
 >he had walked into *my house* and
 immediately began chastising the
 >locals
 and lecturing them on how they should act, well, I may not
 have
 >been able to be so charitable. 
 Well done, chaps!
 
 
 Not going to fall into the obvious trap leading
 to politics and immigration. :)
 (Sorry, too
 much of that going on in the world)
 
 I actually find it's a lot more fun to stay
 civil. It might also help in solving the actual issue the OP
 is having.
 
 --
 Joost
 
 --
 
 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail.
 Please excuse my brevity.
 
 

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

[Christopher Robinson]

I was not referring to screenshots as you well know but the unwarranted 
commnets at the end

On Sat, 9/24/16, J. Roeleveld <jo...@antarean.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New Install
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Date: Saturday, September 24, 2016, 5:59 PM
 
 On September 24, 2016
 11:53:05 PM GMT+02:00, Christopher Robinson <chrisrobin...@rocketmail.com>
 wrote:
 >If I got paid for every person I
 had to enlighten about their snarky
 >comments, I could retire 
 >myself
 
 You
 are either trying to be funny or have an obvious lack of
 understanding about humanity.
 
 I was simply pointing out that screenshots are
 not the most useful tool i  describing a process that is
 subject to fast changes. Especially as most people tend to
 expect the screenshots to match reality.
 
 If you think most people will understand that
 screenshots don't necessarily match what is displayed on
 screen and can easily adapt, you are either very young or
 have been living under a rock.
 
 --
 Joost
 
 
 >
 >On Sat, 9/24/16, J. Roeleveld <jo...@antarean.org>
 wrote:
 >
 > Subject:
 Re: [gentoo-user] New Install
 > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 > Date: Saturday, September 24, 2016, 5:49
 PM
 > 
 > On September
 24, 2016
 >11:42:23 PM GMT+02:00,
 Christopher Robinson
 ><chrisrobin...@rocketmail.com>
 > wrote:
 > >Joost you
 should not be
 > responding to people
 seeking help. Your
 > >attititude is
 offensive.
 > 
 > Please
 do enlighten us. What
 > part of the email
 you are responding to is offensive?
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 >
 >
 > >On Sat, 9/24/16, J. Roeleveld <jo...@antarean.org>
 > wrote:
 > >
 > > Subject:
 > Re:
 [gentoo-user] New Install
 > > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 > > Date: Saturday, September 24, 2016,
 5:36
 > PM
 > > 
 > > On September
 > 24,
 2016
 > > 11:29:59 PM GMT+02:00,
 Joachim
 > Gwoke <joachimgw...@gmail.com>
 > > wrote:
 > >
 >On 25 Sep
 > 2016 12:19 a.m.,
 > > "Dale"
 >
 <rdalek1...@gmail.com>
 > > wrote:
 > >
 >>
 > > >> J.
 > > Roeleveld
 >
 wrote:
 > > >> > On
 September
 > > 24, 2016 10:54:56 PM
 GMT+02:00, Dale
 > > ><rdalek1...@gmail.com>
 > > >wrote:
 > >
 >>
 > >>
 >
 > Well, you said you hadn't
 > set
 up any users and their
 > >
 passwords.
 > 
 > >
 >That
 > > >>
 > >> is
 > >
 >>
 > > >> part of the
 install process and
 > is in the
 guide. 
 > > You are told to
 > > >set
 > >
 >>
 > >> up
 > > >>
 > >
 >> the root password in one section
 > and to set up a
 > >
 user and its
 > > >password
 > > >>
 >
 >> in another section.  At the
 >
 >
 > very least, you missed those two
 parts
 > >
 >
 >and
 > > >> >> that
 > > isn't a assumption, it's
 based on
 > what you posted. 
 > > What else
 > >
 >you
 > > >>
 > > >> missed I'm not sure and
 most
 > likely, no one
 > > else is either. 
 > Rich
 > > >>
 >>
 > > posted
 > > >>
 >
 >> that he thinks you
 > > missed
 a
 > whole section which may or may not
 be
 > >
 > >>
 >> correct but we do know you
 >
 > missed at least a couple steps  Given
 > > >enough
 > >
 >>
 > >>
 >
 > information, someone may be
 > able
 to figure it out tho.
 > > >>
 > > Dale,
 > >
 >>
 > > >
 >
 > >> >
 > You should know
 better.
 > > Please
 > don't make it worse by top-posting
 > >
 > >even
 > > >more.
 >
 >
 > >> >
 >
 > >> >
 > > >From what I
 understand from this
 > nightmare of a
 messy
 > > thread, the
 > > >OP
 > >
 >seems
 > > to be looking for an
 > install-script/tool.
 >
 > >> > This
 > does not exist
 other than
 > > the simple to
 > follow handbook.
 > >
 >>
 > > >
 >
 > >> >
 > --
 > > >> > Joost
 > > >>
 > >
 >
 > > >> >
 > >
 > >>
 > > >> Well, as you
 > > know, I never top post unless it is a
 new
 > person that
 >
 > >> starts it.  The
 > only
 reason I do it
 > > then is because
 > most likely the
 > >
 >>
 > > person on

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

[Christopher Robinson]

If I got paid for every person I had to enlighten about their snarky comments, 
I could retire 
myself

On Sat, 9/24/16, J. Roeleveld <jo...@antarean.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New Install
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Date: Saturday, September 24, 2016, 5:49 PM
 
 On September 24, 2016
 11:42:23 PM GMT+02:00, Christopher Robinson <chrisrobin...@rocketmail.com>
 wrote:
 >Joost you should not be
 responding to people seeking help. Your
 >attititude is offensive.
 
 Please do enlighten us. What
 part of the email you are responding to is offensive?
 
 
 
 
 
 >
 >On Sat, 9/24/16, J. Roeleveld <jo...@antarean.org>
 wrote:
 >
 > Subject:
 Re: [gentoo-user] New Install
 > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 > Date: Saturday, September 24, 2016, 5:36
 PM
 > 
 > On September
 24, 2016
 > 11:29:59 PM GMT+02:00, Joachim
 Gwoke <joachimgw...@gmail.com>
 > wrote:
 > >On 25 Sep
 2016 12:19 a.m.,
 > "Dale"
 <rdalek1...@gmail.com>
 > wrote:
 > >>
 > >> J.
 > Roeleveld
 wrote:
 > >> > On September
 > 24, 2016 10:54:56 PM GMT+02:00, Dale
 > ><rdalek1...@gmail.com>
 > >wrote:
 > >>
 >>
 > Well, you said you hadn't
 set up any users and their
 > passwords.
 
 > >That
 > >>
 >> is
 > >>
 > >> part of the install process and
 is in the guide. 
 > You are told to
 > >set
 > >>
 >> up
 > >>
 > >> the root password in one section
 and to set up a
 > user and its
 > >password
 > >>
 >> in another section.  At the
 >
 very least, you missed those two parts
 >
 >and
 > >> >> that
 > isn't a assumption, it's based on
 what you posted. 
 > What else
 > >you
 > >>
 > >> missed I'm not sure and most
 likely, no one
 > else is either. 
 Rich
 > >> >>
 > posted
 > >>
 >> that he thinks you
 > missed a
 whole section which may or may not be
 >
 >> >> correct but we do know you
 > missed at least a couple steps  Given
 > >enough
 > >>
 >>
 > information, someone may be
 able to figure it out tho.
 > >>
 > Dale,
 > >>
 > >
 > >> >
 You should know better.
 > Please
 don't make it worse by top-posting
 >
 >even
 > >more.
 >
 >> >
 > >> >
 > >From what I understand from this
 nightmare of a messy
 > thread, the
 > >OP
 > >seems
 > to be looking for an
 install-script/tool.
 > >> > This
 does not exist other than
 > the simple to
 follow handbook.
 > >>
 > >
 > >> >
 --
 > >> > Joost
 > >>
 > >
 > >> >
 >
 >>
 > >> Well, as you
 > know, I never top post unless it is a new
 person that
 > >> starts it.  The
 only reason I do it
 > then is because
 most likely the
 > >>
 > person on the other end has no choice but
 too.  It's
 > likely why no
 > >one
 > >> has
 mentioned this.  For all we know,
 > he
 may be doing this with a
 > >>
 limited
 > cell phone.  Who knows.  For
 the normal situations tho,
 > I
 > >bottom
 > >>
 post
 > as you know or do it inline.  I
 will be glad when he gets
 > it
 > >sorted
 > >>
 out
 > and can actually set it up to be
 mailing list friendly. 
 > Top
 > >> posting, multiple threads and
 > all makes it hard to follow.
 > >>
 > >>
 I'm beginning to think the same
 >
 thing.  Here we thought he was
 >
 >further
 > >> into the
 > install and just missed a few
 steps/section and now
 > I'm
 > >> beginning to think he has
 > only booted the install media and wants
 a
 > >> installer command.  Maybe
 he will
 > post something that will help
 us
 > >help
 >
 >> him.  Maybe.  I thought I had a
 > rough idea but based on a recent
 > >post,
 > >> we
 may be
 > all wrong on where he is in this
 process.
 > >>
 >
 >> Dale
 > >>
 > >> :-)  :-)
 >
 >>
 > >
 >
 >Apologies for starting the top posting,
 > >
 > >I had
 earlier
 > suggested using
 > >http://www.tecmint.com/gentoo-linux-installation-guide/
 > and the Gentoo
 >
 >handbook side by
 > side.
 > >The link provided has the option
 > of using the LiveDVD. I do not know at
 > >what stage the install failed but it
 might
 > be easier to start over.
 > >
 > >Regards
 > >Joachim
 > 
 > I had a quick look at that
 > one. (Part 1 only) and it looks like the
 old quick install
 > guide, but now with
 screenshots.
 > 
 >
 Screenshots are nice, but are always version
 > dependent.
 > 
 > If I would get a
 >
 penny or cent or whatever is the smallest part of your
 local
 > currency for every time someone
 is completely incapable of
 > following an
 install guide when only one of the screenshots
 > no longer 100% match the guide, I would
 have already retired
 > to my own little
 island in the Pacific...
 > 
 > The screenshots on that link
 > seem to be related to a boot CD/DVD dated
 to 2012 and being
 > used to install
 Gentoo in 2014.
 > 
 > I
 expect more confused questions from people
 > who are not able to follow simple
 instructions if they are
 > going to
 blindly follow this.
 > 
 > --
 > Joost
 > 
 > --
 > 
 > Sent from my Android
 device with K-9 Mail.
 > Please excuse my
 brevity.
 > 
 > 
 
 
 -- 
 Sent from
 my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my
 brevity.
 
 

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

[Christopher Robinson]

Joost you should not be responding to people seeking help. Your attititude is 
offensive.
Joachim and Rich have made positive suggestions. Sorry about top posting, but 
today is
my first day on the list.

On Sat, 9/24/16, J. Roeleveld  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New Install
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Date: Saturday, September 24, 2016, 5:36 PM
 
 On September 24, 2016
 11:29:59 PM GMT+02:00, Joachim Gwoke 
 wrote:
 >On 25 Sep 2016 12:19 a.m.,
 "Dale" 
 wrote:
 >>
 >> J.
 Roeleveld wrote:
 >> > On September
 24, 2016 10:54:56 PM GMT+02:00, Dale
 >
 >wrote:
 >> >>
 Well, you said you hadn't set up any users and their
 passwords. 
 >That
 >> >> is
 >>
 >> part of the install process and is in the guide. 
 You are told to
 >set
 >> >> up
 >>
 >> the root password in one section and to set up a
 user and its
 >password
 >> >> in another section.  At the
 very least, you missed those two parts
 >and
 >> >> that
 isn't a assumption, it's based on what you posted. 
 What else
 >you
 >>
 >> missed I'm not sure and most likely, no one
 else is either.  Rich
 >> >>
 posted
 >> >> that he thinks you
 missed a whole section which may or may not be
 >> >> correct but we do know you
 missed at least a couple steps  Given
 >enough
 >> >>
 information, someone may be able to figure it out tho.
 >> > Dale,
 >>
 >
 >> > You should know better.
 Please don't make it worse by top-posting
 >even
 >more.
 >> >
 >> >
 >From what I understand from this nightmare of a messy
 thread, the
 >OP
 >seems
 to be looking for an install-script/tool.
 >> > This does not exist other than
 the simple to follow handbook.
 >>
 >
 >> > --
 >> > Joost
 >>
 >
 >> >
 >>
 >> Well, as you
 know, I never top post unless it is a new person that
 >> starts it.  The only reason I do it
 then is because most likely the
 >>
 person on the other end has no choice but too.  It's
 likely why no
 >one
 >> has mentioned this.  For all we know,
 he may be doing this with a
 >> limited
 cell phone.  Who knows.  For the normal situations tho,
 I
 >bottom
 >> post
 as you know or do it inline.  I will be glad when he gets
 it
 >sorted
 >> out
 and can actually set it up to be mailing list friendly. 
 Top
 >> posting, multiple threads and
 all makes it hard to follow.
 >>
 >> I'm beginning to think the same
 thing.  Here we thought he was
 >further
 >> into the
 install and just missed a few steps/section and now
 I'm
 >> beginning to think he has
 only booted the install media and wants a
 >> installer command.  Maybe he will
 post something that will help us
 >help
 >> him.  Maybe.  I thought I had a
 rough idea but based on a recent
 >post,
 >> we may be
 all wrong on where he is in this process.
 >>
 >> Dale
 >>
 >> :-)  :-)
 >>
 >
 >Apologies for starting the top posting,
 >
 >I had earlier
 suggested using
 >http://www.tecmint.com/gentoo-linux-installation-guide/
 and the Gentoo
 >handbook side by
 side.
 >The link provided has the option
 of using the LiveDVD. I do not know at
 >what stage the install failed but it might
 be easier to start over.
 >
 >Regards
 >Joachim
 
 I had a quick look at that
 one. (Part 1 only) and it looks like the old quick install
 guide, but now with screenshots.
 
 Screenshots are nice, but are always version
 dependent.
 
 If I would get a
 penny or cent or whatever is the smallest part of your local
 currency for every time someone is completely incapable of
 following an install guide when only one of the screenshots
 no longer 100% match the guide, I would have already retired
 to my own little island in the Pacific...
 
 The screenshots on that link
 seem to be related to a boot CD/DVD dated to 2012 and being
 used to install Gentoo in 2014.
 
 I expect more confused questions from people
 who are not able to follow simple instructions if they are
 going to blindly follow this.
 
 --
 Joost
 
 --
 
 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail.
 Please excuse my brevity.
 
 

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

[Christopher Robinson]

Actually, I was able to set a password although I may not have stated this 
clearly enough for you to get it.I saw the directions about make user, but was 
unsure if this was for root since the manual mentioned a wheeluser.  

On Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:55 PM, Dale <rdalek1...@gmail.com> wrote:
 

 Well, you said you hadn't set up any users and their passwords.  That is
part of the install process and is in the guide.  You are told to set up
the root password in one section and to set up a user and its password
in another section.  At the very least, you missed those two parts and
that isn't a assumption, it's based on what you posted.  What else you
missed I'm not sure and most likely, no one else is either.  Rich posted
that he thinks you missed a whole section which may or may not be
correct but we do know you missed at least a couple steps  Given enough
information, someone may be able to figure it out tho. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 



Christopher Robinson wrote:
> Dale,
>
> Your assumption that I missed a section is entirely offbase and does not 
> respond to
> my original question. I could say that you are missing the point of what I 
> asked.
> For those who have had helpful suggestions I give thanks.
>
>
>
> 
> On Sat, 9/24/16, Dale <rdalek1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New Install
>  To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
>  Date: Saturday, September 24, 2016, 4:17 PM
>  
>  Again, top posting to
>  follow his lead. 
>  
>  It's
>  not a fight.  It's just called being prepared. 
>  Missing a section
>  isn't going to give
>  you a proper install.  It's one reason I always
>  recommend a person read the docs several
>  times.  The reason for that, if
>  something
>  doesn't seem right, you will more than likely notice it
>  and go
>  back and figure out what was
>  missed.  The fact that I don't see a
>  all-in-one page guide isn't helping you
>  any.  If it was on one page,
>  even as a
>  option for those who don't like it, then you likely
>  wouldn't
>  have missed a section.  Just
>  start at the top and work your way down. 
>  Maybe after this, someone will see the need for
>  at least some of us to
>  have it all in one
>  long page.  Maybe Rich can whisper in someone's
>  ear.  I guess printing it and
>  putting it in order would work but that
>  means a lot of typing when a lot of times, a
>  copy and paste will be
>  easier. 
>  
>  Thing is, it's hard to
>  tell what was wrong because no one knew you
>  missed a section, I suspect Neil did sort of
>  figure that to be the case
>  tho which is why
>  he replied with what he did.  What we do know, if you
>  follow the guide, you should get a bootable
>  system.  It may not be 100%
>  perfect but it
>  should boot at least.  Gentoo has some excellent docs,
>  especially the install part.  Unless you have
>  some pretty odd hardware,
>  it should work.
>  
>  
>  One thing I learned the
>  hard way.  Pretty much no matter what you may
>  mess up, you can chroot in and go back and fix
>  it. Just boot using
>  whatever media you
>  selected, follow the mount and chroot section and
>  then correct whatever is wrong.  You do NOT
>  have to start from scratch
>  most of the
>  time.  You'd have to have made a boo boo in the very
>  early
>  stages to end up doing that. 
>  
>  I'm just hoping you can
>  fix this easily and finish your install.  :-)
>  
>  Dale
>  
>  :-)  :-) 
>  
>  
>  Christopher Robinson wrote:
>  > I don't really want to get into a
>  fight, but some of the replies-not Rich's- are
>  missing
>  > the point I am raising. To then
>  disparage me is unworthy for a support list.
>  >
>  
>  > On Sat, 9/24/16, Dale <rdalek1...@gmail.com>
>  wrote:
>  >
>  >  Subject:
>  Re: [gentoo-user] New Install
>  >  To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
>  >  Date: Saturday, September 24, 2016, 3:44
>  PM
>  >  
>  >  Rich
>  Freeman wrote:
>  >  > On Sat, Sep 24,
>  2016 at 11:35 AM, Dale
>  >  <rdalek1...@gmail.com>
>  >  wrote:
>  >  >>
>  Actually, he is correct.
>  >  >
>  Actually, he isn't, which is hard to
>  >  demonstrate since everybody is
>  top-posting.
>  >  
>  > 
>  Actually he is and your reply
>  > 
>  supports that point.  Also, I top posted
>  >  because he did and I posted that
>  reasoning. 
>  >  I'm sure he will get
>  around
>  >  to bottom
>  >  posting when he gets his install done. 
>  Who knows what he
>  >  is
>  >  using

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

[Christopher Robinson]

Funny how you used XXX when I SPECIFCALLY mentioned mentioned the LIVE DVD
as opposed to the minimal install cd. That was the whole point which you missed 
in
jumping to conclusions about my ignorance. 

On Sat, 9/24/16, Neil Bothwick <n...@digimed.co.uk> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New Install
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Date: Saturday, September 24, 2016, 4:38 PM
 
 On Sat, 24 Sep 2016
 20:31:13 + (UTC), Christopher Robinson wrote:
 
 > You are giving a generic
 answer to what you see as a generic question.
 > I really can't  play 20 questions by
 repeating over until the light
 > comes
 on.
 
 I'm sorry, but
 "Can I install from disc XXX?" is a generic
 question.
 
 The more specific
 and detailed the question, the more specific and
 detailed the answers. But the response was
 given freely and it's entirely
 up to you
 what you do with it.
 
 
 
 > On Sat, 9/24/16, Neil Bothwick <n...@digimed.co.uk>
 wrote:
 > 
 >  Subject:
 Re: [gentoo-user] New Install
 >  To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 >  Date: Saturday, September 24, 2016, 4:21
 PM
 >  
 >  On Sat, 24
 Sep 2016
 >  15:05:24 + (UTC),
 Christopher Robinson wrote:
 >  
 >  > Honestly, your reply is  
 >  not helpful. I have read through the
 the
 >  > handbook and the directions
 there do not  
 >  match the screen
 results.
 >  
 > 
 You'd need to be more specific about
 >  that.
 >  
 >  > I
 >  > take
 offense at your arrogant tone in  
 > 
 reply to a beginners request for
 >  
 >  I wasn't trying to be offensive.
 >  
 >  > help.While
 those with  
 >  experience may find my
 request naive, I went to
 >  > the
 list for suggestions beyond the  
 > 
 handbook.Also, you confuse the two
 > 
 >  
 >  parts of my question in your
 smackdown.
 >  
 > 
 Firstly, it wasn't a smackdown. Secondly,
 >  you asked two separate
 >  questions. I only
 > 
 tried to answer one of them, which is why I quoted only
 >  one.
 >  
 >  As has
 >  been
 mentioned elsewhere, your problem was caused by missing
 >  a
 >  step. The point
 I was trying to make is
 >  that it is
 important to follow
 >  the handbook
 >  carefully, so the advice was to read it
 fully before
 >  attempting to follow it.
 Reading it and
 >  following it at the
 same time is
 >  asking for
 >  trouble.
 >  
 >  Experience has
 > 
 shown that a large proportion of new user install
 >  problems are caused by a failure to
 follow the
 >  handbook correctly.
 >  Sometimes this is caused
 >  by someone thinking they know better and
 taking
 >  a shortcut but more often it
 is simply a
 >  moaater of a mistake
 or
 >  misunderstanding
 >  somewhere.
 >  
 >  
 >  > Sorry  
 >  for the annoyance and
 >  > possibleviolation  
 >  of list protocol, but I expected a bit
 more support. 
 >  > 
 >  >     On  
 >  Saturday, September 24, 2016 9:47 AM,
 Neil Bothwick
 >  > <n...@digimed.co.uk> 
 
 >  wrote: 
 >  >
 
 >  >  On Sat,  
 >  24 Sep 2016 12:13:00 + (UTC),
 Christopher Robinson
 >  wrote:
 >  >   
 >  > > Also,  
 >  I read that it is possible to install
 Gentoo from the
 >  Live
 >  > > DVD.How do I do
 that?
 >  > 
 >  > You need to read  
 >  chapter 1 of the Gentoo handbook from
 start to finish,
 >  > then read it
 again. When you understand  
 >  what is
 going on, you then boot
 >  > from 
 
 >  the live DVD and follow the
 installation instructions fro
 >  the
 >  > handbook.
 > 
 > 
 >  >   
 >  
 >  
 >  
 >  
 >  -- 
 >  Neil
 Bothwick
 >  
 >  I
 distinctly remember forgetting
 >  that.
 > 
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 Neil Bothwick
 
 Never sleep with anyone crazier than
 yourself.

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

[Christopher Robinson]

Rich responded to my question. I don't feel much like repeating.
I need the command to run the install after getting live cd # ~

On Sat, 9/24/16, Neil Bothwick <n...@digimed.co.uk> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New Install
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Date: Saturday, September 24, 2016, 4:35 PM
 
 On Sat, 24 Sep 2016
 16:15:01 + (UTC), Christopher Robinson wrote:
 
 > Thank you for at least
 responding to my question. I did try creating a
 > password in root, but I could not boot
 from there.
 
 As Rich said,
 if you can't boot, the password is not the problem. What
 is
 the error message you get when trying to
 boot?
 
 > I will check out
 > the other manual suggestion. I had tried
 Systemrescue CD earlier, but
 > it
 displayed in a tiny screen resolution, unreadable even with
 a
 > magnifying lens.
 
 Press C or E (depending on
 which kernel you want) at the main menu and
 you'll get several more options including
 choices of screen resolution.
 
 
 -- 
 Neil
 Bothwick
 
 A Microsoft joke
 (is that a tautology?)

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

[Christopher Robinson]

Rich,

Again thanks for a specific reply, unlike Dale and Neil's.
I was detailing the end result after compiling the minimal install CD.
I will check the manual to see if it addresses this. I was hoping to get
a quick answer from the list and not to cause a ruckus.


On Sat, 9/24/16, Rich Freeman <ri...@gentoo.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New Install
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Date: Saturday, September 24, 2016, 4:00 PM
 
 On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at
 3:22 PM, Christopher Robinson
 <chrisrobin...@rocketmail.com>
 wrote:
 > Thanks again for your response.
 After compiling I get the prompt: live cd # ~
 > I do not know what command to use to boot
 the install. I looked through the manual
 > but I did not see an answer for this. The
 directions seemed to apply to a very
 >
 different install scenario.
 
 
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Bootloader#Rebooting_the_system
 
 That is the last step after
 configuring the bootloader (if you don't
 configure the bootloader first you won't be
 able to boot the system).
 Are you sure you
 completed all the steps in the handbook?  I'm not
 sure what you were compiling as there are a few
 places where this can
 happen.
 
 -- 
 Rich
 
 

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

[Christopher Robinson]

You are giving a generic answer to what you see as a generic question.
I really can't  play 20 questions by repeating over until the light comes on.

On Sat, 9/24/16, Neil Bothwick <n...@digimed.co.uk> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New Install
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Date: Saturday, September 24, 2016, 4:21 PM
 
 On Sat, 24 Sep 2016
 15:05:24 + (UTC), Christopher Robinson wrote:
 
 > Honestly, your reply is
 not helpful. I have read through the the
 > handbook and the directions there do not
 match the screen results.
 
 You'd need to be more specific about
 that.
 
 > I
 > take offense at your arrogant tone in
 reply to a beginners request for
 
 I wasn't trying to be offensive.
 
 > help.While those with
 experience may find my request naive, I went to
 > the list for suggestions beyond the
 handbook.Also, you confuse the two
 >
 parts of my question in your smackdown.
 
 Firstly, it wasn't a smackdown. Secondly,
 you asked two separate
 questions. I only
 tried to answer one of them, which is why I quoted only
 one.
 
 As has
 been mentioned elsewhere, your problem was caused by missing
 a
 step. The point I was trying to make is
 that it is important to follow
 the handbook
 carefully, so the advice was to read it fully before
 attempting to follow it. Reading it and
 following it at the same time is
 asking for
 trouble.
 
 Experience has
 shown that a large proportion of new user install
 problems are caused by a failure to follow the
 handbook correctly.
 Sometimes this is caused
 by someone thinking they know better and taking
 a shortcut but more often it is simply a
 moaater of a mistake or
 misunderstanding
 somewhere.
 
 
 > Sorry
 for the annoyance and
 > possibleviolation
 of list protocol, but I expected a bit more support. 
 > 
 >     On
 Saturday, September 24, 2016 9:47 AM, Neil Bothwick
 > <n...@digimed.co.uk>
 wrote: 
 > 
 >  On Sat,
 24 Sep 2016 12:13:00 + (UTC), Christopher Robinson
 wrote:
 > 
 > > Also,
 I read that it is possible to install Gentoo from the
 Live
 > > DVD.How do I do that?  
 > 
 > You need to read
 chapter 1 of the Gentoo handbook from start to finish,
 > then read it again. When you understand
 what is going on, you then boot
 > from
 the live DVD and follow the installation instructions fro
 the
 > handbook.
 > 
 > 
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 Neil Bothwick
 
 I distinctly remember forgetting
 that.

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

[Christopher Robinson]

Dale,

Your assumption that I missed a section is entirely offbase and does not 
respond to
my original question. I could say that you are missing the point of what I 
asked.
For those who have had helpful suggestions I give thanks.




On Sat, 9/24/16, Dale <rdalek1...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New Install
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Date: Saturday, September 24, 2016, 4:17 PM
 
 Again, top posting to
 follow his lead. 
 
 It's
 not a fight.  It's just called being prepared. 
 Missing a section
 isn't going to give
 you a proper install.  It's one reason I always
 recommend a person read the docs several
 times.  The reason for that, if
 something
 doesn't seem right, you will more than likely notice it
 and go
 back and figure out what was
 missed.  The fact that I don't see a
 all-in-one page guide isn't helping you
 any.  If it was on one page,
 even as a
 option for those who don't like it, then you likely
 wouldn't
 have missed a section.  Just
 start at the top and work your way down. 
 Maybe after this, someone will see the need for
 at least some of us to
 have it all in one
 long page.  Maybe Rich can whisper in someone's
 ear.   I guess printing it and
 putting it in order would work but that
 means a lot of typing when a lot of times, a
 copy and paste will be
 easier. 
 
 Thing is, it's hard to
 tell what was wrong because no one knew you
 missed a section, I suspect Neil did sort of
 figure that to be the case
 tho which is why
 he replied with what he did.  What we do know, if you
 follow the guide, you should get a bootable
 system.  It may not be 100%
 perfect but it
 should boot at least.  Gentoo has some excellent docs,
 especially the install part.  Unless you have
 some pretty odd hardware,
 it should work.
 
 
 One thing I learned the
 hard way.  Pretty much no matter what you may
 mess up, you can chroot in and go back and fix
 it. Just boot using
 whatever media you
 selected, follow the mount and chroot section and
 then correct whatever is wrong.  You do NOT
 have to start from scratch
 most of the
 time.  You'd have to have made a boo boo in the very
 early
 stages to end up doing that. 
 
 I'm just hoping you can
 fix this easily and finish your install.  :-)
 
 Dale
 
 :-)  :-) 
 
 
 Christopher Robinson wrote:
 > I don't really want to get into a
 fight, but some of the replies-not Rich's- are
 missing
 > the point I am raising. To then
 disparage me is unworthy for a support list.
 >
 
 > On Sat, 9/24/16, Dale <rdalek1...@gmail.com>
 wrote:
 >
 >  Subject:
 Re: [gentoo-user] New Install
 >  To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 >  Date: Saturday, September 24, 2016, 3:44
 PM
 >  
 >  Rich
 Freeman wrote:
 >  > On Sat, Sep 24,
 2016 at 11:35 AM, Dale
 >  <rdalek1...@gmail.com>
 >  wrote:
 >  >>
 Actually, he is correct.
 >  >
 Actually, he isn't, which is hard to
 >  demonstrate since everybody is
 top-posting.
 >  
 > 
 Actually he is and your reply
 > 
 supports that point.  Also, I top posted
 >  because he did and I posted that
 reasoning. 
 >  I'm sure he will get
 around
 >  to bottom
 >  posting when he gets his install done. 
 Who knows what he
 >  is
 >  using at the moment. 
 >  >
 >  >> On
 Saturday,
 >  September 24, 2016 9:47 AM,
 Neil Bothwick <n...@digimed.co.uk>
 >  >> wrote:
 > 
 >>
 >  >> You need to read
 chapter 1 of the
 >  Gentoo handbook from
 start to finish,
 >  >> then read
 it again.
 >  > The handbook
 doesn't have chapters. 
 >  The step
 that was missed was well
 >  > into
 >  the process.
 > 
 >
 >  
 >  If he
 was reading and following the install
 > 
 guide, how did he do that
 >  when he
 missed a
 >  whole section?  Obviously,
 he wasn't following it
 >  since
 >  he missed the section.  When I did
 my
 >  first install well over a
 decade
 >  ago, I read
 >  that thing at least three of four times
 to even see if I
 >  wanted to try
 Gentoo.  During my last install
 >  on
 my new rig a few years
 >  ago, I read
 it
 >  twice even tho it was mostly the
 same.  Installing
 >  Gentoo
 >  isn't easy but it is very hard
 >  when you are not familiar enough with
 the
 >  process to even realize you
 missed a whole
 >  section.  If you
 follow the
 >  guide and
 >  don't miss anything, it should
 work.  The only major
 >  set back
 >  you can have is a badly configured
 >  kernel that won't complete the
 boot
 >  process.  I might add, this is
 also why I
 >  prefer a one page guide.
 
 >  Start at the top
 >  and work your way to the bottom.  Very
 little chance of
 >  missing anything
 then. 
 >  
 >  Now
 that he knows he missed a section, maybe he
 >  can chroot into it, do
 >  that section and
 > 
 finish the install.  That is unless his mobo blows out. 
 >  :/
 >  
 >  Dale
 >  
 >  :-)  :-) 
 >  
 >  
 >
 >
 
 
 

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

[Christopher Robinson]

I don't really want to get into a fight, but some of the replies-not Rich's- 
are missing
the point I am raising. To then disparage me is unworthy for a support list.

On Sat, 9/24/16, Dale  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New Install
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Date: Saturday, September 24, 2016, 3:44 PM
 
 Rich Freeman wrote:
 > On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Dale
 
 wrote:
 >> Actually, he is correct.
 > Actually, he isn't, which is hard to
 demonstrate since everybody is top-posting.
 
 Actually he is and your reply
 supports that point.  Also, I top posted
 because he did and I posted that reasoning. 
 I'm sure he will get around
 to bottom
 posting when he gets his install done.  Who knows what he
 is
 using at the moment. 
 >
 >> On Saturday,
 September 24, 2016 9:47 AM, Neil Bothwick 
 >> wrote:
 >>
 >> You need to read chapter 1 of the
 Gentoo handbook from start to finish,
 >> then read it again.
 > The handbook doesn't have chapters. 
 The step that was missed was well
 > into
 the process.
 >
 
 If he was reading and following the install
 guide, how did he do that
 when he missed a
 whole section?  Obviously, he wasn't following it
 since
 he missed the section.  When I did my
 first install well over a decade
 ago, I read
 that thing at least three of four times to even see if I
 wanted to try Gentoo.  During my last install
 on my new rig a few years
 ago, I read it
 twice even tho it was mostly the same.  Installing
 Gentoo
 isn't easy but it is very hard
 when you are not familiar enough with the
 process to even realize you missed a whole
 section.  If you follow the
 guide and
 don't miss anything, it should work.  The only major
 set back
 you can have is a badly configured
 kernel that won't complete the boot
 process.  I might add, this is also why I
 prefer a one page guide. 
 Start at the top
 and work your way to the bottom.  Very little chance of
 missing anything then. 
 
 Now that he knows he missed a section, maybe he
 can chroot into it, do
 that section and
 finish the install.  That is unless his mobo blows out. 
 :/
 
 Dale
 
 :-)  :-) 
 
 

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

[Christopher Robinson]

Thanks again for your response. After compiling I get the prompt: live cd # ~
I do not know what command to use to boot the install. I looked through the 
manual
but I did not see an answer for this. The directions seemed to apply to a very
different install scenario.

PS My motherboard or whatever was preventing the computer from powering on 
resolved itself as as mysteriously as it occurred.

On Sat, 9/24/16, Rich Freeman <ri...@gentoo.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New Install
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Date: Saturday, September 24, 2016, 1:19 PM
 
 On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at
 12:15 PM, Christopher Robinson
 <chrisrobin...@rocketmail.com>
 wrote:
 >
 > Thank you
 for at least responding to my question. I did try creating a
 password in root,
 > but I could not boot
 from there.
 
 If it isn't
 booting then passwords are the least of your problems. 
 It
 probably is a bootloader problem (EFI or
 grub).  But, I'm not sure
 what "I
 could not boot" actually means.  Do you get an error
 message?
 What state does the system end up
 in?
 
 --
 Rich
 
 

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

[Christopher Robinson]

Rich,

Thank you for at least responding to my question. I did try creating a password 
in root,
but I could not boot from there.  I will check out the other manual suggestion. 
I had tried Systemrescue CD earlier, but it displayed in a tiny screen 
resolution,
unreadable even with a magnifying lens. If anyone thinks of suggesting Knoppix,
the main download site was not working and I did not have the patience to try 
all the
other mirrors. 
I do apologize for venting my frustration, but I have been trying to manage a 
pretty
awful situation for over a month, and this morning my motherboard died!
As the Kinks sang: I'm in a state of confusion.


On Sat, 9/24/16, Rich Freeman <ri...@gentoo.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New Install
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Date: Saturday, September 24, 2016, 11:18 AM
 
 On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at
 8:13 AM, Christopher Robinson
 <chrisrobin...@rocketmail.com>
 wrote:
 > After the files compile on the
 Minimal Install CD, I get a command line
 > prompt.
 > I assume I
 need to enter a username and then a password to boot the
 install,
 > but I have not succeeded in
 creating those. What should I do?
 >
 
 The step you missed is this
 one:
 https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/System#Root_password
 
 If you're at the command
 prompt inside the chroot then you're already
 logged in as root. So, you just type
 "passwd" and enter a new root
 password.  root is your username.  You can
 create additional users
 using useradd:
 
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Finalizing#Adding_a_user_for_daily_use
 
 > Also, I read that it is possible to
 install Gentoo from the Live DVD.
 > How
 do I do that?
 
 The
 same way as from the minimal CD.  Just open a terminal and
 follow
 the handbook.
 
 -- 
 Rich
 
 

Re: [gentoo-user] New Install

[Christopher Robinson]

Honestly, your reply is not helpful. I have read through the the handbook and 
the directions there 
do not match the screen results. I take offense at your arrogant tone in reply 
to a beginners request for help.While those with experience may find my request 
naive, I went to the list for suggestions beyond the handbook.Also, you confuse 
the two parts of my question in your smackdown. Sorry for the annoyance and 
possibleviolation of list protocol, but I expected a bit more support.
 

On Saturday, September 24, 2016 9:47 AM, Neil Bothwick <n...@digimed.co.uk> 
wrote:
 

 On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 12:13:00 + (UTC), Christopher Robinson wrote:

> Also, I read that it is possible to install Gentoo from the Live
> DVD.How do I do that?

You need to read chapter 1 of the Gentoo handbook from start to finish,
then read it again. When you understand what is going on, you then boot
from the live DVD and follow the installation instructions fro the
handbook.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

"Meow" <SPLAT!>  "Woof" <SPLAT!>    Jeez, it's really raining today.

   

[gentoo-user] New Install

[Christopher Robinson]

After the files compile on the Minimal Install CD, I get a command line 
prompt.I assume I need to enter a username and then a password to boot the 
install,but I have not succeeded in creating those. What should I do?
Also, I read that it is possible to install Gentoo from the Live DVD.How do I 
do that?