Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Badges

2005-08-04 Thread George Roberts

Craig Zeigler wrote:


Chris Cox wrote:


On Thursday 04 August 2005 08:50 am, Ryan Viljoen wrote:
 


Yeah so you just skipped n00b status?
You never asked a stupid question?
No I thought not.
Thats the spirit lets keep Gentoo to ourselves so it can grow...

*sigh*
  



I was of course just kidding.  I do like Gentoo but hey, it isn't the 
right choice for everyone.  Some people I'm sure would prefer hand 
holding and fancy GUI installers that other Distros have a seem to 
cator to the masses.


DO you really think Gentoo should be the first Distro people new to 
Linux should turn to?
 

In one word... YES!. If you're going to learn your way around Linux 
well, why not start with something that doesn't teach you rely on GUIs 
and crap like that. When it all goes south, you're left iwth a command 
line. I guess I'm from the school that started wtih computer back 
where there was no GUI. The closest thing I had to a GUI was an 
ncurses like system, that really didn't work all that well.


I agree with Craig.  But in a broader sense, if anybody is to learn 
their way around a computer, start them out by building "their own 
computer".  Start them out with a box of parts and an install cd.  Give 
them diagram how the parts go and a Phillips head screwdriver (less 
tools required than assembling a swing set).  Teach them "fear not the 
black screen with the white letters".  Watch their joy as the learn that 
their new born computer can now stand on it's own by  installing the 
base layout.  Hear them brag that their child can walk because it has 
learned X windows server.  Suffer through the screen shots once it has 
grown to a full desktop. 
Never more will these persons quiver at the very thought of tearing  the 
sacred plastic that contains the mystical restore cd.

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Re: [gentoo-user] GDM restarts citing lderror: missing pam_console.so after running et

2005-07-27 Thread George Roberts

Chris this may help with the problem:
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-350736-highlight-gdm+pam.html

Chris Fairles wrote:


Oddly enough, if I run et like this

et >> et.log 2>&1

it runs fine and gdm does not restart itself.

heres a snip from the log at least where I *think* it was failing 
before... it tries to run a tty console which pam does not like, why?


--- Common Initialization Complete ---
Opening IP socket: localhost:27960
Hostname: dsotm
IP: 127.0.0.1
Started tty console (use +set ttycon 0 to disable)

thnx,
chris


Chris Fairles wrote:


Ran a emerge -NDuva world, updated a bunch of gnome stuff.
gnome-base/gnome-2.10-r1 and deps and
gnome-base/gdm-2.6.0.9-r2

Launching et (enemey territory) gives (in /var/log/messages)
Jul 26 22:58:13 dsotm gdm[23200]: PAM unable to 
dlopen(/lib/security/pam_console.so)
Jul 26 22:58:13 dsotm gdm[23200]: PAM [dlerror: 
/lib/security/pam_console.so: cannot open shared object file: No such 
file or directory]
Jul 26 22:58:13 dsotm gdm[23200]: PAM adding faulty module: 
/lib/security/pam_console.so
Jul 26 22:58:15 dsotm gdm(pam_unix)[23200]: session opened for user 
chris by (uid=0)
Jul 26 22:58:23 dsotm su(pam_unix)[23301]: session opened for user 
root by (uid=1000)

Jul 26 23:00:35 dsotm su(pam_unix)[23301]: session closed for user root
Jul 26 23:00:39 dsotm gdm[23200]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X 
error - Restarting :0
Jul 26 23:00:39 dsotm gdm(pam_unix)[23200]: session closed for user 
chris


gdm restarts  no game

I've tried commenting out all of
dsotm ~ # grep console /etc/pam.d/*
/etc/pam.d/gdm:session optional /lib/security/pam_console.so
/etc/pam.d/gdm-autologin:session optional /lib/security/pam_console.so
/etc/pam.d/xdm:session optional pam_console.so
/etc/pam.d/xserver:# Next line you need console ownership to be able 
to start X

/etc/pam.d/xserver:#auth required pam_console.so

restarting gdm, even rebooting, same error as above.

tried setting USE="pam_console" emerge -Nva pam ... adding the login 
pam_console, uncommenting all of the above lines, i just get the
Jul 26 22:41:05 dsotm gdm[8000]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X 
error - Restarting :0



i'm almost ready to USE="-pam" emerge -e world ...

chris






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Re: [gentoo-user] I thought /etc/X11/xorg.conf was set in stone

2005-07-26 Thread George Roberts

Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:


On Wednesday 27 July 2005 01:54, George Roberts wrote:
 


I have noticed in the last couple days that rolling the wheel on my
mouse is not scrolling through webpages or email.
I checked my /etc/X11/xorg.conf and it had not been changed.  Just to be
sure it is not a broken mouse I booted into Mandrake and tested it
there, mouse scrolled like a charm.  After I booted back to Gentoo, the
mouse was still not working.  I decided to steal the setting from
Mandrake's XF86Config, since it was working there.
I changed my /etc/X11/xorg.conf from:
   Identifier"Mouse1"
   Driver"mouse"
   Option "Protocol""PS/2"
   Option "Device"  "/dev/input/mouse0"
   Option"ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
   




 


   Option "Protocol""PS/2"
   



should be 

 


   Option "Protocol""ImPS/2"
   



and the wheel should start working
 

Thanks that did it.  Opps your right that was the original setting in 
the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.  After chasing my tail trying different 
settings, only to find that X had changed files, I had forgotten where I 
started.  Thanks again.

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Re: [gentoo-user] I thought /etc/X11/xorg.conf was set in stone

2005-07-26 Thread George Roberts
According to the man xorg.conf the search paths are different depending 
who is starting X.  If X is started by a user the search paths are not 
as extensive as if X is started by root.  If root was the one to start X 
then it could be able to pick up the xorg.conf I had stashed in the / 
folder.
The sudden switch from my /etc/X11/xorg.conf to /xorg.conf is what 
triggered my confusion.



Brett I. Holcomb wrote:

My understanding is that X searches the path given in xorg.conf 
irregardless of who starts it but I may be wrong.  I use xdm, not gdm.


On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, George Roberts wrote:


Brett I. Holcomb wrote:

 Check man xorg.conf and it will give you the locations searched for 
 xorg.conf.



 On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, George Roberts wrote:

>  I have noticed in the last couple days that rolling the wheel on 
my >  mouse is



 Snip

>  I was under the impression that the folder /etc/X11is the folder 
only >  scanned and used.  That is why I put the backup copy there.  
My question





>  Thanks
> >


Thanks, it seems the system searchs farther than I understood.  Based 
on what I have read on gdm, the X server is started by a 
non-privliged user, to avoid possiblities of exploition of the system 
via the login area.  If this is in fact true then the search for the 
xorg.conf file would be limited to the /usr or /etc folders, not the 
/ folder.
Does there need to be an update to the man file, or is this a 
undocumented feature?






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Re: [gentoo-user] I thought /etc/X11/xorg.conf was set in stone

2005-07-26 Thread George Roberts

Brett I. Holcomb wrote:

Check man xorg.conf and it will give you the locations searched for 
xorg.conf.



On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, George Roberts wrote:

I have noticed in the last couple days that rolling the wheel on my 
mouse is



Snip

I was under the impression that the folder /etc/X11is the folder only 
scanned and used.  That is why I put the backup copy there.  My 
question is: is this behavior a know thing and I missed it, or can 
others be bitten by this also?


P.S. the mouse is still not scrolling.  Any help with this would be 
great.

Thanks




Thanks, it seems the system searchs farther than I understood.  Based on 
what I have read on gdm, the X server is started by a non-privliged 
user, to avoid possiblities of exploition of the system via the login 
area.  If this is in fact true then the search for the xorg.conf file 
would be limited to the /usr or /etc folders, not the / folder.
Does there need to be an update to the man file, or is this a 
undocumented feature?

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[gentoo-user] I thought /etc/X11/xorg.conf was set in stone

2005-07-26 Thread George Roberts
I have noticed in the last couple days that rolling the wheel on my 
mouse is not scrolling through webpages or email.
I checked my /etc/X11/xorg.conf and it had not been changed.  Just to be 
sure it is not a broken mouse I booted into Mandrake and tested it 
there, mouse scrolled like a charm.  After I booted back to Gentoo, the 
mouse was still not working.  I decided to steal the setting from 
Mandrake's XF86Config, since it was working there.

I changed my /etc/X11/xorg.conf from:
   Identifier"Mouse1"
   Driver"mouse"
   Option "Protocol""PS/2"
   Option "Device"  "/dev/input/mouse0"
   Option"ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
to:
   Identifier"Mouse1"
   Driver"mouse"
   Option "Protocol""ExplorerPS/2"
   Option "Device"  "/dev/input/mouse0"
   Option"ZAxisMapping" "6 7"
After I made that change I rebooted.  When I checked my 
/var/log/Xorg.0.log, it was still showing the original settings i.e. 
PS/2 not the ExplorerPS/2.  After some digging around noticed the line 
(==) Using config file: "//xorg.conf".  Sure enough I had backed up my 
xorg.conf to the / folder a couple months ago and sure enought it was 
using that copy.  After I changed that file name, I rebooted and the 
correct information is now showing in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, (==) Using 
config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf".


I was under the impression that the folder /etc/X11is the folder only 
scanned and used.  That is why I put the backup copy there.  My question 
is: is this behavior a know thing and I missed it, or can others be 
bitten by this also?


P.S. the mouse is still not scrolling.  Any help with this would be great.
Thanks

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Re: [gentoo-user] recreating my user accout woes

2005-07-25 Thread George Roberts
On 7/25/05, Dave Nebinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] /home $ ls -l george
> > total 0
> > drwxr-xr-x  2 george users 48 Jul 25 12:12 Desktop
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] /home $
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] /home $ ls -l geo
> > total 0
> > drwxr-xr-x  2 geo users 48 Jul 25 11:38 Desktop
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] /home $
> 
> Just to be on the safe side I'd try:
> 
> # chown -R geo:users /home/geo
> # chown -R george:users /home/george
> 
> Just to ensure that the permissions are cascading down correctly.  The only
> reason I'm suggesting this is that, by the sounds of things, you're trying
> to recreate a new user using files from an old user.
> 
> 
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> 
> 
Actually I could not use the old files to recreate this account.
useradd -d /home/george -G
users,wheel,gdm,floppy,audio,cdrom,games,cdrw -m george.
Per the man page for useradd
   -d home_dir
  The new user will be created using home_dir as the value for the
  user's login directory. The default is to append the login  name
  to default_home and use that as the login directory name.
I could not recreate the account until I had renamed the old folder
(george 2, one of the backups I have).  Once I renamed the old folder,
I could recreate the account with that command line.

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[gentoo-user] recreating my user accout woes

2005-07-25 Thread George Roberts
As many of you are aware I have been fighting an issue with gdm,
currently I am at the point where I could not login to gdm using my
normal user account, but I can login using the root account.  I found
the same issue in the forums
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-358052-highlight-gdm.html.  I can
create new user accounts that work correctly (I can log in and get to
the gnome desktop).  However I have deleted my old normal user
account, after making a backup, then I  recreated the old account
using useradd -d /home/george -G
users,wheel,gdm,floppy,audio,cdrom,games,cdrw -m george.
Now when I attempt to login to that account I am getting cascading
errors and when I reach the "desktop" it is a black screen with
computer and trash as the only icons and not toolbars.  I can right
click on the desktop and get the normal menu to get out of that
account.  I have checked the permissions of both accounts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] /home $ ls -l george
total 0
drwxr-xr-x  2 george users 48 Jul 25 12:12 Desktop
[EMAIL PROTECTED] /home $

[EMAIL PROTECTED] /home $ ls -l geo
total 0
drwxr-xr-x  2 geo users 48 Jul 25 11:38 Desktop
[EMAIL PROTECTED] /home $
so I know that is not the issue here.

My question now is am I missing something here or is my computer on
drugs and I need  to find work arounds to get the information from my
old account backups to this account?
Any thoughts or pointers on this will greatly appricietated.
Thanks in advance.

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Re: [gentoo-user] lost /lib/security/pam_console.so

2005-07-24 Thread George Roberts

Richard Fish wrote:


George Roberts wrote:


Richard Fish wrote:


Peter Gordon wrote:


Try setting the "pam_console" USE flag and re-emerging pam:
# echo "sys-libs/pam  pam_console" >> /etc/portage/package.use
# emerge sys-libs/pam

Although, it's rather odd that you are unable to login. I do not have
pam_console either but I can still login through gdm just fine (with a
similar warning in my system log).
 



If /etc/pam.d/gdm specifies pam_console, then this is why it is 
required.  George, can you post the contents of that file?


-Richard

I just downgraded my baselib and pam after I found a simular issue in 
the forums.  But gdm still not working.
I don't have the time to check the logs (yuck work) this morning, 
will check them tonight.

Here is my currant /etc/pam.d/gdm
#%PAM-1.0
auth   optionalpam_env.so
auth   includesystem-auth
auth   requiredpam_nologin.so
accountincludesystem-auth
password   includesystem-auth
sessionincludesystem-auth



Ok, so we include system-auth.  Then we also need to look at 
/etc/pam.d/system-auth.


Also, what you have is the version of the pam config file from 
gdm-2.6.0.9-r3 (the ~x86 version).  Earlier (non ~x86) versions use a 
different gdm configuration for pam:


#%PAM-1.0
auth   required /lib/security/pam_env.so
auth   required /lib/security/pam_stack.so service=system-auth
auth   required /lib/security/pam_nologin.so
accountrequired /lib/security/pam_stack.so service=system-auth
password   required /lib/security/pam_stack.so service=system-auth
sessionrequired /lib/security/pam_stack.so service=system-auth
sessionoptional /lib/security/pam_console.so

As you can see, pam_console.so is referenced directly here.  Can you 
confirm that you still get the error about pam_console.so with -r3, or 
only with earlier versions of gdm?


-Richard


Latest update.
After adding/removing use flags, downgrading/upgrading packages (not to 
mention some firefox/thunderbird upgrades thrown in for flavor) based on 
information I stumbled across in the forums, gdm is now half working.  I 
can login as root but not as the user.  As to which piece of of the 
process actually fixed the problem I don't truly know.
The process of fixing the currant problem brings to mind questions that 
are better not addressed in this thread, so I will be opening a new 
thread. 
Thanks for the help that you each have offered.

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Re: [gentoo-user] lost /lib/security/pam_console.so

2005-07-23 Thread George Roberts

Richard Fish wrote:


Peter Gordon wrote:


Try setting the "pam_console" USE flag and re-emerging pam:
# echo "sys-libs/pam  pam_console" >> /etc/portage/package.use
# emerge sys-libs/pam

Although, it's rather odd that you are unable to login. I do not have
pam_console either but I can still login through gdm just fine (with a
similar warning in my system log).
 



If /etc/pam.d/gdm specifies pam_console, then this is why it is 
required.  George, can you post the contents of that file?


-Richard

I just downgraded my baselib and pam after I found a simular issue in 
the forums.  But gdm still not working.
I don't have the time to check the logs (yuck work) this morning, will 
check them tonight.

Here is my currant /etc/pam.d/gdm
#%PAM-1.0
auth   optionalpam_env.so
auth   includesystem-auth
auth   requiredpam_nologin.so
accountincludesystem-auth
password   includesystem-auth
sessionincludesystem-auth

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Re: [gentoo-user] lost /lib/security/pam_console.so

2005-07-23 Thread George Roberts

Peter Gordon wrote:


Try setting the "pam_console" USE flag and re-emerging pam:
# echo "sys-libs/pam  pam_console" >> /etc/portage/package.use
# emerge sys-libs/pam

Although, it's rather odd that you are unable to login. I do not have
pam_console either but I can still login through gdm just fine (with a
similar warning in my system log). 

 

I will try that tomorrow, I am in the middle of a thunderbird/firefox 
emerge. thanks


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[gentoo-user] lost /lib/security/pam_console.so

2005-07-22 Thread George Roberts

I have been unable to login using gdm even though it is in my /etc/rc.conf:
UNICODE="no"
EDITOR="/bin/nano"
DISPLAYMANAGER="gdm"
XSESSION="Gnome"

Today I checked my system logs and I found these entries:

Date : July 22 15:32:42
Process : gdm[7072]
Message : PAM unable to dlopen(/lib/security/pam_console.so)
Description :

Date : July 22 15:32:42
Process : gdm[7072]
Message : PAM [dlerror: /lib/security/pam_console.so: cannot open shared 
object file: No such file or directory]

Description :

Date : July 22 15:32:42
Process : gdm[7072]
Message : PAM adding faulty module: /lib/security/pam_console.so
Description :

Date : July 22 15:32:51
Process : login(pam_unix)[6871]
Message : session opened for user root by (uid=0)
Description :

Date : July 22 15:33:22
Process : -
Message : 0: PAM unable to dlopen(/lib/security/pam_console.so)
Description :

Date : July 22 15:33:22
Process : -
Message : 0: PAM [dlerror: /lib/security/pam_console.so: cannot open 
shared object file: No such file or directory]

Description :

Date : July 22 15:33:22
Process : -
Message : 0: PAM adding faulty module: /lib/security/pam_console.so
Description :

Date : July 22 15:33:22
Process : xdm(pam_unix)[7301]
Message : session opened for user root by (uid=0)
Description :

I have reemerged both pam and pam-login, neither of which has 
regenerated the needed pam_console.so.  Googleing gives me lots of 
information about what the file does, but not how to get another one.

Can anybody give me any hints?
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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge block prob with gnome-core and gnome-desktop

2005-07-21 Thread George Roberts

Chris Bare wrote:


I'm trying to update a system that's been sitting idle for a while. I got the
following blocks initially:

# emerge -uD world
[blocks B ]  


unmerge: No packages selected for removal.
   



# emerge unmerge gnome-base/gnome-desktop

--- Couldn't find gnome-base/gnome-desktop to unmerge.

 


unmerge: No packages selected for removal.
   




What do I have to do to clear the block?

 


What does emerge --oneshot gnome-core do for you?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Xwindows stopped working. No errors in Xorg log file.

2005-07-20 Thread George Roberts

Daevid Vincent wrote:


I tried to switch my window manager to Gnome and also XFCE (both worked fine
before too) and that didn't solve the problem, so I don't think it's a KDE
thing. But I have had KDE problems before as you suggest with other nvidia
drivers. 

 


-Original Message-
From: Richard Fish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:18 PM

To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Xwindows stopped working. No 
errors in Xorg log file.


Daevid Vincent wrote:

   

I run a pretty stable system. I do however run ~x86 for KDE 
 


and Gnome.
   

Something changed recently in an "emerge -Davu world" or 
 


"system" that
   

causes X to not start anymore? The Xorg log below doesn't 
 


have any errors or
   

warnings or anything. There are no unresolved symbols as the 
 


message says. I
   

did notice that glib was updated, but the 
 


"3242-glibc-2.3.5.log" doesn't say
   

anything interesting. I ran "rm -rf /root/.revdep-rebuild.*; 
 


revdep-rebuild
   

-av" and that said I was golden, it didn't re-compile a 
 

single thing. 
   




 

One of the things we just discovered on this list is that 
newer versions 
of KDE are trying to use things like the Composite extension, 
and it is 
causing problems for some people (slowness was the previous case).


Some things to try:

1. Disable Composite.
2. Disable DRI.
3. Try the x.org "nv" driver instead of "nvidia".

Depending upon whether and which one of those work, you will have a 
place to start from on more debugging.


-Richard


   

I usually use 'meld' (x-windows) for my etc-update, so I do 
 


have some files
   


that need updating, but they don't seem that they should affect X??



 

Probably not...more likely opengl or composite is causing the 
problem for X.



-Richard

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What login manager are you using Gdm or Xdm, I have been using Gdm 
untill a while back and now after an update my X will not start using 
gdm in my /etc/rc.conf.  If I change it to Xdm in /etc/rc.conf or type 
it in manually then X starts  and  I can get in Gnome.  Changing the  
Nvidia drivers has had no effect.

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Re: [gentoo-user] GDM not bringing up log in screen

2005-07-16 Thread George Roberts
Zac Medico wrote:

> Willie Wong wrote:
>
>>> Now my /var/log/xdm.log is now showing:
>>> _XSERVTransSocketOpenCOTSServer: Unable to open socket for inet6
>>> _XSERVTransOpen: transport open failed for inet6/George:0
>>> _XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to open listener for
>>> inet6
>>>
>>
>>
>> The above suggests that whatever is trying to run is trying to use
>> ipv6. It might not have anything to your problem, but you should at
>> least add "-ipv6" to your useflags and run emerge --newuse world
>>
>
> Nice try Willie but I think he's looking at the wrong log file ;-). 
> The gdm package has a /var/log/gdm directory that he probably needs to
> look in.
>
> Zac

I posted my gdm logs eariler.
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Re: [gentoo-user] GDM not bringing up log in screen

2005-07-16 Thread George Roberts
Zac Medico wrote:

> George Roberts wrote:
>
>> Technically both are started at the end of the boot sequence.  However
>> if I use "/etc/init.d/xdm zap" and then "/etc/init.d/xdm start"  I am
>> now getting a message "Setting up gdm ..." followed by "ERROR: could not
>> open the Display Manager..." and then it hangs and I have to ctrl-c out
>> of it.  When I type xdm, it brings up the xdm log in screen and I can
>> get back into gnome.  I want my gdm back!
>> Now my /var/log/xdm.log is now showing:
>> _XSERVTransSocketOpenCOTSServer: Unable to open socket for inet6
>> _XSERVTransOpen: transport open failed for inet6/George:0
>> _XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to open listener for inet6
>>
>> X Window System Version 6.8.2
>> Release Date: 9 February 2005
>> X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.8.2
>> Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.11-gentoo-r6 i686 [ELF]
>> Current Operating System: Linux George 2.6.11-gentoo-r6 #8 SMP Fri Apr
>> 29 13:09:31 MDT 2005 i686
>> Build Date: 07 July 2005
>> Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.X.Org
>> to make sure that you have the latest version.
>> Module Loader present
>> Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
>> (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
>> (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
>> (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sat Jul 16 20:45:27 2005
>> (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
>> Using vt 7
>>
>
> What do you mean "both are started at the end of the boot sequence". 
> Why both gdm and xdm?
>
> Since xdm seems to be working it seems like you should be more
> interested in a gdm log (unless gdm uses xdm.log).  I think you should
> put DISPLAYMANAGER="xdm" in rc.conf, run env-update, and see it
> "/etc/init.d/xdm start" works for plain xdm.  That will tell you
> whether the problem is isolated in the /etc/init.d/xdm script (part of
> xorg-x11) or instead isolated in the gdm package.
>
> Zac

Opps sorry, xdm is suppost to start gdm.  Xdm is added to the default
run level, gdm is started when rc.conf runs.  Atleast that is the
sequence I understand from http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Gdm_setup
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Re: [gentoo-user] GDM not bringing up log in screen

2005-07-16 Thread George Roberts
Zac Medico wrote:

> George Roberts wrote:
>
>> Technically both are started at the end of the boot sequence.  However
>> if I use "/etc/init.d/xdm zap" and then "/etc/init.d/xdm start"  I am
>> now getting a message "Setting up gdm ..." followed by "ERROR: could not
>> open the Display Manager..." and then it hangs and I have to ctrl-c out
>> of it.  When I type xdm, it brings up the xdm log in screen and I can
>> get back into gnome.  I want my gdm back!
>> Now my /var/log/xdm.log is now showing:
>> _XSERVTransSocketOpenCOTSServer: Unable to open socket for inet6
>> _XSERVTransOpen: transport open failed for inet6/George:0
>> _XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to open listener for inet6
>>
>> X Window System Version 6.8.2
>> Release Date: 9 February 2005
>> X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.8.2
>> Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.11-gentoo-r6 i686 [ELF]
>> Current Operating System: Linux George 2.6.11-gentoo-r6 #8 SMP Fri Apr
>> 29 13:09:31 MDT 2005 i686
>> Build Date: 07 July 2005
>> Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.X.Org
>> to make sure that you have the latest version.
>> Module Loader present
>> Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
>> (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
>> (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
>> (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sat Jul 16 20:45:27 2005
>> (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
>> Using vt 7
>>
>
> What do you mean "both are started at the end of the boot sequence". 
> Why both gdm and xdm?
>
> Since xdm seems to be working it seems like you should be more
> interested in a gdm log (unless gdm uses xdm.log).  I think you should
> put DISPLAYMANAGER="xdm" in rc.conf, run env-update, and see it
> "/etc/init.d/xdm start" works for plain xdm.  That will tell you
> whether the problem is isolated in the /etc/init.d/xdm script (part of
> xorg-x11) or instead isolated in the gdm package.
>
> Zac

Yes changing rc.conf to xdm, starts X and brings me to the xdm log in
screen.  No need to run env-update.
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Re: [gentoo-user] GDM not bringing up log in screen

2005-07-16 Thread George Roberts
Zac Medico wrote:

> George Roberts wrote:
>
>> Pawel Nadolski wrote:
>>
>>
>>> George Roberts wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Edward Catmur wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 2005-07-15 at 23:05 -0600, George Roberts wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> About a month or so ago I lost the ability to use my GDM to log
>>>>>> in.  I
>>>>>> can log in using XDM which has to be called from the command
>>>>>> line. When
>>>>>> my system is booting it loads gdm, but when it finishes booting
>>>>>> instead
>>>>>> of starting X, it leaves me at the at the command line.  I can then
>>>>>> log
>>>>>> in as root but when I type gdm it tells me gdm is already
>>>>>> running.  At
>>>>>> one point it told me that I had no screens configured or XDMCP is
>>>>>> disabled.  I have unmerged gdm and re-emerged it.
>>>>>> I have rebuilt my xorg.conf.  I have removed my /etc/X11/gdm.conf
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> then ran gdmconfig.  Even double checked rc.conf (no changes
>>>>>> there).  All of which has been a learning experience but is alas
>>>>>> fruitless. /var/log/Xorg.0.log comes up clean execpt for a warning
>>>>>> about APM and a
>>>>>> warning while probing the nvidia video card.
>>>>>> All hints will be tried and greatly appreciated.
>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "rm /var/run/gdm.pid"?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That did not help. :-( Still no joy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Remove /var/lib/init.d/started/xdm and start xdm:
>>> /etc/init.d/xdm start
>>> Do you get any errors on boot or in /var/log/gdm.log?
>>
>>
>>
>> I removed the above mentioned file, no differance.  XDM starts fine, GDM
>> as I am told is running, but .
>> When I look at the log directory I have 5 files.  3 of which are clean,
>> 2 of which show:
>
> [snip]
>
>>
>> at one point yesterday gdm did run and that is when it told me I had no
>> screens or XDMCP was turned off.
>>
>
> So you can't start either xdm or gdm from the /etc/init.d/xdm script? 
> Do you have DISPLAYMANAGER="gdm" in /etc/rc.conf?  What is the exact
> message when you do "/etc/init.d/xdm start"?  If it says that it's
> already running then normally if you kill the processes and run
> "/etc/init.d/xdm zap" then it will get you to where you can start it. 
> I use kdm and I've never had to remove a pid file manually but maybe
> you do with gdm (like Ed said).
>
> Zac

Technically both are started at the end of the boot sequence.  However
if I use "/etc/init.d/xdm zap" and then "/etc/init.d/xdm start"  I am
now getting a message "Setting up gdm ..." followed by "ERROR: could not
open the Display Manager..." and then it hangs and I have to ctrl-c out
of it.  When I type xdm, it brings up the xdm log in screen and I can
get back into gnome.  I want my gdm back!
Now my /var/log/xdm.log is now showing:
_XSERVTransSocketOpenCOTSServer: Unable to open socket for inet6
_XSERVTransOpen: transport open failed for inet6/George:0
_XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to open listener for inet6

X Window System Version 6.8.2
Release Date: 9 February 2005
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.8.2
Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.11-gentoo-r6 i686 [ELF]
Current Operating System: Linux George 2.6.11-gentoo-r6 #8 SMP Fri Apr
29 13:09:31 MDT 2005 i686
Build Date: 07 July 2005
Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.X.Org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sat Jul 16 20:45:27 2005
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
Using vt 7

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Re: [gentoo-user] GDM not bringing up log in screen

2005-07-16 Thread George Roberts
Pawel Nadolski wrote:

> George Roberts wrote:
>
>> Edward Catmur wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>>> On Fri, 2005-07-15 at 23:05 -0600, George Roberts wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>> About a month or so ago I lost the ability to use my GDM to log in.  I
>>>> can log in using XDM which has to be called from the command line. 
>>>> When
>>>> my system is booting it loads gdm, but when it finishes booting
>>>> instead
>>>> of starting X, it leaves me at the at the command line.  I can then
>>>> log
>>>> in as root but when I type gdm it tells me gdm is already running.  At
>>>> one point it told me that I had no screens configured or XDMCP is
>>>> disabled.  I have unmerged gdm and re-emerged it.
>>>> I have rebuilt my xorg.conf.  I have removed my /etc/X11/gdm.conf and
>>>> then ran gdmconfig.  Even double checked rc.conf (no changes
>>>> there).  All of which has been a learning experience but is alas
>>>> fruitless. /var/log/Xorg.0.log comes up clean execpt for a warning
>>>> about APM and a
>>>> warning while probing the nvidia video card.
>>>> All hints will be tried and greatly appreciated.
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>> 
>>>
>>> "rm /var/run/gdm.pid"?
>>
>> That did not help. :-( Still no joy.
>>  
>>
> Remove /var/lib/init.d/started/xdm and start xdm:
> /etc/init.d/xdm start
> Do you get any errors on boot or in /var/log/gdm.log?

I removed the above mentioned file, no differance.  XDM starts fine, GDM
as I am told is running, but .
When I look at the log directory I have 5 files.  3 of which are clean,
2 of which show:
X Window System Version 6.8.2
Release Date: 9 February 2005
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.8.2
Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.11-gentoo-r6 i686 [ELF]
Current Operating System: Linux George 2.6.11-gentoo-r6 #8 SMP Fri Apr
29 13:09:31 MDT 2005 i686
Build Date: 30 June 2005
Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.X.Org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Fri Jul  1 13:43:26 2005
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
AUDIT: Fri Jul  1 13:43:28 2005: 7625 X: client 2 rejected from local host
  Auth name: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 ID: -1

As you can see the date in the file shows July 1, both files have the
same date.  I have restarted my computer many time since then.  The
newest log is from yesterday and it seems clean:
X Window System Version 6.8.2
Release Date: 9 February 2005
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.8.2
Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.11-gentoo-r6 i686 [ELF]
Current Operating System: Linux George 2.6.11-gentoo-r6 #8 SMP Fri Apr
29 13:09:31 MDT 2005 i686
Build Date: 07 July 2005
Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.X.Org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Fri Jul 15 14:43:23 2005
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"

at one point yesterday gdm did run and that is when it told me I had no
screens or XDMCP was turned off.

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Re: [gentoo-user] GDM not bringing up log in screen

2005-07-16 Thread George Roberts
Edward Catmur wrote:

>On Fri, 2005-07-15 at 23:05 -0600, George Roberts wrote:
>  
>
>>About a month or so ago I lost the ability to use my GDM to log in.  I
>>can log in using XDM which has to be called from the command line.  When
>>my system is booting it loads gdm, but when it finishes booting instead
>>of starting X, it leaves me at the at the command line.  I can then log
>>in as root but when I type gdm it tells me gdm is already running.  At
>>one point it told me that I had no screens configured or XDMCP is
>>disabled.  I have unmerged gdm and re-emerged it.
>>I have rebuilt my xorg.conf.  I have removed my /etc/X11/gdm.conf and
>>then ran gdmconfig.  Even double checked rc.conf (no changes there).  
>>All of which has been a learning experience but is alas fruitless. 
>>/var/log/Xorg.0.log comes up clean execpt for a warning about APM and a
>>warning while probing the nvidia video card.
>>All hints will be tried and greatly appreciated.
>>Thanks in advance.
>>
>>
>
>"rm /var/run/gdm.pid"?
>
>  
>
That did not help. :-( Still no joy.
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[gentoo-user] GDM not bringing up log in screen

2005-07-15 Thread George Roberts
About a month or so ago I lost the ability to use my GDM to log in.  I
can log in using XDM which has to be called from the command line.  When
my system is booting it loads gdm, but when it finishes booting instead
of starting X, it leaves me at the at the command line.  I can then log
in as root but when I type gdm it tells me gdm is already running.  At
one point it told me that I had no screens configured or XDMCP is
disabled.  I have unmerged gdm and re-emerged it.
I have rebuilt my xorg.conf.  I have removed my /etc/X11/gdm.conf and
then ran gdmconfig.  Even double checked rc.conf (no changes there).  
All of which has been a learning experience but is alas fruitless. 
/var/log/Xorg.0.log comes up clean execpt for a warning about APM and a
warning while probing the nvidia video card.
All hints will be tried and greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
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Re: [gentoo-user] how do I change to /etc/conf.d/hostname

2005-07-15 Thread George Roberts
David Busby wrote:

> I did this:
>
>  rm /etc/hostname
>  nano -w /etc/conf.d/hostname
>   [ edit properly ]
>  env-update
>  reboot
>
> No problems...
>
> /djb

Removing the files did the job.  Sounds like another evil plot to force
me to clean up unused files.  :-)
Thanks!

>
> George Roberts wrote:
>
>> Robert Crawford wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Friday 15 July 2005 06:31 pm, George Roberts wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have a day off work and it is too hot to play outside, so I got the
>>>> bright idea to clean up some minor warnings I have been getting. 
>>>> When I
>>>> am booting my computer, I get warnings to change from using
>>>> /etc/hostname to /etc/conf.d/hostname.  Also the same with my
>>>> /etc/domainname.  My first though was these topics would be covered in
>>>> the Gentoo install manual.  But after re-reading the manual I find no
>>>> difference now than when I installed everything a few months ago.  Is
>>>> there something I need to do, or do I live with this for now?
>>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>> IIRC, I just copied my /etc/hostname to /etc/conf.d/hostname.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Did that remove the warning for you?  After I re-did both files, I am
>> still getting the same warning.
>
>
That did is. 
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Re: [gentoo-user] how do I change to /etc/conf.d/hostname

2005-07-15 Thread George Roberts
Robert Crawford wrote:

>On Friday 15 July 2005 06:31 pm, George Roberts wrote:
>  
>
>>I have a day off work and it is too hot to play outside, so I got the
>>bright idea to clean up some minor warnings I have been getting.  When I
>>am booting my computer, I get warnings to change from using
>>/etc/hostname to /etc/conf.d/hostname.  Also the same with my
>>/etc/domainname.  My first though was these topics would be covered in
>>the Gentoo install manual.  But after re-reading the manual I find no
>>difference now than when I installed everything a few months ago.  Is
>>there something I need to do, or do I live with this for now?
>>
>>
>
>IIRC, I just copied my /etc/hostname to /etc/conf.d/hostname.
>  
>
Did that remove the warning for you?  After I re-did both files, I am
still getting the same warning.
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[gentoo-user] how do I change to /etc/conf.d/hostname

2005-07-15 Thread George Roberts
I have a day off work and it is too hot to play outside, so I got the
bright idea to clean up some minor warnings I have been getting.  When I
am booting my computer, I get warnings to change from using
/etc/hostname to /etc/conf.d/hostname.  Also the same with my
/etc/domainname.  My first though was these topics would be covered in
the Gentoo install manual.  But after re-reading the manual I find no
difference now than when I installed everything a few months ago.  Is
there something I need to do, or do I live with this for now?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Can not reach log in screen in X

2005-07-01 Thread George Roberts
I am using Gnome as my desktop. 
This time when I restarted the computer I did get an error message that
there is no screen set up in the XDMCP config file.  I had not restarted
the computer in a few weeks, so I am thinking this happened in the last
Gnome update.  Google search has given me something new to deciper XDMCP.


Daniel da Veiga wrote:

>Notice that startx uses different config files (.Xauthority?!), while
>the init xdm uses the variables of etc/conf.d/xdm, so, adding xdm to
>your default runlevel should start it automatically, if you don't want
>it, you can always use the script, make and alias or create a symlink.
>
>Just for curiosity, what is your WM?
>
>Good luck,
>
>On 7/1/05, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>George Roberts wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Thanks Daniel.
>>>Typing xdm got me back into Gentoo.
>>>The only way I knew to start X was startx.  When startx fails I can not
>>>get to terminal 7.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>FYI, "startx" failures other than the X server get logged to
>>~/.xsession-errors.  You can check there to see what goes wrong.
>>
>>-Richard
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>>
>>
>>
>
>
>  
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] Can not reach log in screen in X

2005-07-01 Thread George Roberts
Daniel da Veiga wrote:

>Your xorg.conf would be better...
>
>What are you using to run the X? /etc/init.d/xdm or startx?
>Did you try ALT + F7? for the logs it seems your X is running...
>
>Could you post the result of "ps af | grep xdm" ?
>
>
>  
>
Thanks Daniel.
Typing xdm got me back into Gentoo.
The only way I knew to start X was startx.  When startx fails I can not
get to terminal 7.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ ps af | grep xdm
19530 pts/0R+ 0:00  \_ grep xdm

Lol, now that I am this far, where do I go next to fix this?
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[gentoo-user] Can not reach log in screen in X

2005-07-01 Thread George Roberts
When I boot my computer into Gentoo and it tries to go to the log in
portion, X11 simply stops and drops me back to the console.  While
attempting to load X11 the Nvidia logo flashes twice and then back to
the console.  From looking at Xorg.0.log it appears that X finished
loading, which led me to think it might be an issue with xdm so I
changed to gdm, and still the same thing happens.
I have not changed any of my config files, I have gone back and double
checked them to make sure nothing got hosed.
I have re-emerged X11, which reinstalled from the last update that was
in the packages directory, no change.
I have checked bugs.gentoo.org but did not see anything to was close
to what is going on here.
I am at a lose as to what to do next.
Please help I am having Gentoo withdrawal!

This is my /var/log/Xorg.0.log.
X Window System Version 6.8.2
Release Date: 9 February 2005
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.8.2
Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.11-gentoo-r6 i686 [ELF] 
Current Operating System: Linux George 2.6.11-gentoo-r6 #8 SMP Fri Apr
29 13:09:31 MDT 2005 i686
Build Date: 30 June 2005
Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.X.Org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Thu Jun 30 21:42:14 2005
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
(==) ServerLayout "X.org Configured"
(**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0)
(**) |   |-->Monitor "Monitor0"
(**) |   |-->Device "Card0"
(**) |-->Input Device "Mouse0"
(**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard0"
(**) FontPath set to
"/usr/share/fonts/misc/,/usr/share/fonts/TTF/,/usr/share/fonts/Type1/,/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/share/fonts/100dpi/"
(**) RgbPath set to "/usr/lib/X11/rgb"
(**) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/modules"
(**) Option "OffTime" "15"
(WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory)
(II) Module ABI versions:
X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.2
X.Org Video Driver: 0.7
X.Org XInput driver : 0.4
X.Org Server Extension : 0.2
X.Org Font Renderer : 0.4
(II) Loader running on linux
(II) LoadModule: "bitmap"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a
(II) Module bitmap: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.0.0
Module class: X.Org Font Renderer
ABI class: X.Org Font Renderer, version 0.4
(II) Loading font Bitmap
(II) LoadModule: "pcidata"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/modules/libpcidata.a
(II) Module pcidata: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 0.7
Using vt 7
(--) using VT number 7

(II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex)
(II) PCI: 00:00:0: chip 1106,3116 card 1509,9012 rev 00 class 06,00,00 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:01:0: chip 1106,b091 card , rev 00 class 06,04,00 hdr 01
(II) PCI: 00:09:0: chip 10de,0172 card 1545,0035 rev a3 class 03,00,00 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:0a:0: chip 11c1,044e card 1235,044e rev 02 class 07,80,00 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:0b:0: chip 10ec,8139 card 1509,9012 rev 10 class 02,00,00 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:10:0: chip 1106,3038 card 1509,9012 rev 80 class 0c,03,00 hdr 80
(II) PCI: 00:10:1: chip 1106,3038 card 1509,9012 rev 80 class 0c,03,00 hdr 80
(II) PCI: 00:10:2: chip 1106,3038 card 1509,9012 rev 80 class 0c,03,00 hdr 80
(II) PCI: 00:10:3: chip 1106,3104 card 1509,9012 rev 82 class 0c,03,20 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:11:0: chip 1106,3177 card 1509,9012 rev 00 class 06,01,00 hdr 80
(II) PCI: 00:11:1: chip 1106,0571 card 1509,9012 rev 06 class 01,01,8a hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:11:5: chip 1106,3059 card 1509,9012 rev 50 class 04,01,00 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 01:00:0: chip 5333,8d04 card 1509,9012 rev 00 class 03,00,00 hdr 00
(II) PCI: End of PCI scan
(II) Host-to-PCI bridge:
(II) Bus 0: bridge is at (0:0:0), (0,0,1), BCTRL: 0x0008 (VGA_EN is set)
(II) Bus 0 I/O range:
[0] -1  0   0x - 0x (0x1) IX[B]
(II) Bus 0 non-prefetchable memory range:
[0] -1  0   0x - 0x (0x0) MX[B]
(II) Bus 0 prefetchable memory range:
[0] -1  0   0x - 0x (0x0) MX[B]
(II) PCI-to-PCI bridge:
(II) Bus 1: bridge is at (0:1:0), (0,1,1), BCTRL: 0x0004 (VGA_EN is cleared)
(II) Bus 1 non-prefetchable memory range:
[0] -1  0   0xe500 - 0xe6ff (0x200) MX[B]
(II) Bus 1 prefetchable memory range:
[0] -1  0   0xd000 - 0xd7ff (0x800) MX[B]
(II) PCI-to-ISA bridge:
(II) Bus -1: bridge is at (0:17:0), (0,-1,-1), BCTRL: 0x0008 (VGA_EN is set)
(--) PCI:*(0:9:0) nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 420] rev 163,
Mem @ 0xe400/24, 0xd800/27, 0xe800/19
(--) PCI: (1:0:0) S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266] rev 0, Mem @
0xe600/19, 0xd000/27
(II) Addressable bus resource ranges are
[0] -1

Re: [gentoo-user] mplayer compile error

2005-04-22 Thread George Roberts
H.J. Jung wrote:

> HI, all
>
> When I try to compile Mplayer 1.0pre7 I get following errors:
>
> Detected operating system: Linux
> Detected host architecture: i386
> Checking for cc version ... 3.3.5-20050130, bad
> Checking for gcc version ... 3.3.5-20050130, bad
> Checking for gcc-3.4 version ... not found
> Checking for gcc-3.3 version ... not found
> Checking for gcc-3.2 version ... not found
> Checking for gcc-3.1 version ... not found
> Checking for gcc3 version ... not found
> Checking for gcc-3.0 version ... not found
> Checking for cc version ... 3.3.5-20050130, bad
>
> *** Please downgrade/upgrade C compiler to version gcc-2.95.x or
> gcc-3.x! ***
>
> You are not using a supported compiler. We do not have the time to
> make sure
> everything works with compilers other than the ones we use.  Use
> either the
> same compiler as we do, or use --disable-gcc-checking but DO *NOT*
> REPORT BUGS
> unless you can reproduce them after recompiling with a 2.95.x or 3.x
> version!
>
> Note for gcc 2.96 users: Some versions of this compiler are known to
> miscompile
> mplayer and lame (which is used for mencoder).  If you get compile errors,
> first upgrade to the latest 2.96 release (minimum 2.96-85) and try again.
> If the problem still exists, try with gcc 3.x (or 2.95.x) *BEFORE*
> reporting
> bugs!
>
> GCC 2.96 IS NOT AND WILL NOT BE SUPPORTED BY US !
>
> *** For details please read DOCS/HTML/en/users-vs-dev.html ***
>
>
> Error: Bad gcc version
>
> Check "configure.log" if you do not understand why it failed.
>
>
> Why can't it find gcc?

run gcc-conf ig -l to see which gcc you are using.
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[gentoo-user] memory used

2005-04-22 Thread George Roberts
I started using Linux again a couple of months ago.  After I installed
Mandrake /noticed that if my computer sat idle over night the memory
usage went up from 100 megs to 2-300 megs ( I have 1 gig of ram, so no
biggie).  I switched to Gentoo and have noticed the samething.  After
watching this since then I have noticed that when my system is under a
load, ie large updates and such the "lost" memory is reclaimed.  "Normal
memory usage" runs around 320 megs or so, after a large update 7
packages or more the memory used dropped down to 155 megs. 
My question is:  is this typical? 
It is not causeing any issues with my computer.  I just puzzles the snot
out of me why this is happening.
Thanks.
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