Re: [gentoo-user] emerge-webrsync error

[Jude DaShiell]

Thanks, if I get to that point I'll remember that number!

-- 
 Jude 
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Wed, 22 May 2024, Michael wrote:

> Or, more appropriately if you do not use a desktop then please select profile
> No. 21:
>
> [21]  default/linux/amd64/23.0 (stable)
>
>
> On Wednesday, 22 May 2024 16:05:09 BST Michael wrote:
> > Ah! OK, this probably explains it.
> >
> > The latest and now default Gentoo profile is no longer 17.1,  but 23.0,
> > which uses a merged /usr directory structure.
> >
> > Consequently, select profile 23:
> >
> > [23] default/linux/amd64/23.0/desktop (stable)
> >
> > On Wednesday, 22 May 2024 15:53:11 BST Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > > I used bash but don't know that there's a problem with bash.
> > > I burnt the whole system to the ground and still have the verified and
> > > validated stage3 file available on my system.
> > > Once stage3 is installed was the tee utility included on stage3?  If so I
> > > can capture what's going on.  When I ran emerge-webrsync again I was told
> > > bzip2 couldn't be found  so if that was installed by stage3 there may be
> > > other problems.
> > > I'm going with efi since that's the computer default and openrc since
> > > that's gentoo's original default in my choices for the system.  On the
> > > profile I'm going for the default 1 which is I think a command line
> > > interface since that's where I live most of the time.
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge-webrsync error

[Jude DaShiell]

I used bash but don't know that there's a problem with bash.
I burnt the whole system to the ground and still have the verified and
validated stage3 file available on my system.
Once stage3 is installed was the tee utility included on stage3?  If so I
can capture what's going on.  When I ran emerge-webrsync again I was told
bzip2 couldn't be found  so if that was installed by stage3 there may be
other problems.
I'm going with efi since that's the computer default and openrc since
that's gentoo's original default in my choices for the system.  On the
profile I'm going for the default 1 which is I think a command line
interface since that's where I live most of the time.


--
 Jude 
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Wed, 22 May 2024, Michael wrote:

> You can check while within your chroot, if /dev/fd is a symlink to the
> directory /proc/self/fd.
>
> If the above is correct, then there may be a problem with your shell.  Check
> what you get when you run:
>
> # echo $SHELL
>
> or,
>
> # ps -p $$
>
> Bash should work fine, but from the little I understand about zsh it uses
> slightly different process substitution than bash.  If your shell is not bash
> try changing to it, to see if it makes a difference:
>
> chsh -s /bin/bash
>
> I don't know if this is the cause of your problem, but it's worth a try.
>
>
> On Wednesday, 22 May 2024 14:45:40 BST Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> > On Wed, 2024-05-22 at 09:40 -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > > Yes, this is during installation.
> > > I did type:
> > > mount --rbind /dev /mnt/gentoo/dev
> > > I was outside of chroot at the time but that's all I did with dev before
> > > running emerge-webrsync.
> >
> > Ok, that was my one guess. I'm out of ideas, sorry.
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge-webrsync error

[Jude DaShiell]

Yes, this is during installation.
I did type:
mount --rbind /dev /mnt/gentoo/dev
I was outside of chroot at the time but that's all I did with dev before
running emerge-webrsync.


--
 Jude 
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Wed, 22 May 2024, Michael Orlitzky wrote:

> Is this during install? Maybe forgot to bind-mount /dev from the real
> system into your chroot?
>
>

[gentoo-user] emerge-webrsync error

[Jude DaShiell]

This one is the last two lines of output.

Failed to validate a sane '/dev'.
bash process substitution doesn't work; this may be an indication of a
broken '/dev/fd'.

What did I do wrong?


-- 
 Jude 
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo starting with stage3

[Jude DaShiell]

Ok in this case I'm using slint to do the install with stage3 so those
lines are needed.


--
 Jude 
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Tue, 21 May 2024, Michael wrote:

> The line to test if a symlink exists to /run/shm/ from /dev/shm is only needed
> when you use non-Gentoo live media to install your system.
>
> With the Gentoo installation media, whether you use the minimal CD or the
> admincd, such an action is not needed.
>
>
> On Tuesday, 21 May 2024 17:52:01 BST Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > I am installing gentoo to a different disk on the machine and the
> > install-x86_64-minimal disk is not fit for purpose since I cannot get
> > espeak reading the screen as I go through an installation.
> > Most things are pointed at /mnt/gentoo on my system when doing commands.
> > However in lines where proc is mounted in the handbook a line test -L
> > /dev/shm  && rm /dev/shm && mkdir /dev/shm
> > appears.  This likely effects the machine until the next boot and has no
> > effect on /mnt/gentoo.
> > Is this a relic for those installing from install-x86_64-minimal disks and
> > only applies to them?
> > I'm not doing any of the slave entries since I figure to install with
> > openrc not systemd.
> >
> >
> > --
> >  Jude 
> >  "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
> >  Please use in that order."
> >  Ed Howdershelt 1940.
>
>

[gentoo-user] gentoo starting with stage3

[Jude DaShiell]

I am installing gentoo to a different disk on the machine and the
install-x86_64-minimal disk is not fit for purpose since I cannot get
espeak reading the screen as I go through an installation.
Most things are pointed at /mnt/gentoo on my system when doing commands.
However in lines where proc is mounted in the handbook a line test -L
/dev/shm  && rm /dev/shm && mkdir /dev/shm
appears.  This likely effects the machine until the next boot and has no
effect on /mnt/gentoo.
Is this a relic for those installing from install-x86_64-minimal disks and
only applies to them?
I'm not doing any of the slave entries since I figure to install with
openrc not systemd.


--
 Jude 
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

Re: [gentoo-user] alsamixer - no sound

[Jude DaShiell]

What happens as root running:
What happens running:
alsactl init;amixer set Master 100% unmute;alsactl store
Using screen readers on linux systems I've had a few of these problems
from time to time.

--
 Jude 
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Sat, 16 Dec 2023, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

> On 12/16/23 13:19, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> > After recent upgrade I have no sound.
> >
> > Running as root:  alsamixer
> > XDG_RUNTIME_DIR (/run/user/1000) is not owned by us (uid 0), but by uid
> > 1000! (This could e.g. happen if you try to connect to a non-root PulseAudio
> > as a root user, over the native protocol. Don't do that.)
> >
> > Does dir: /run/user/1000
> > should be own by "root:root"  or user on the system?
> >
> > When I run:
> > chown root:root /run/user/1000
> >
> > alsamixer
> > ALSA lib
> > /var/tmp/portage/media-plugins/alsa-plugins-1.2.7.1-r1/work/alsa-plugins-1.2.7.1/pulse/pulse.c:242:(pulse_connect)
> > PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Access denied
> >
> > cannot open mixer: Connection refused
>
> entering root with: "su -"
> doesn't produce any errors but running "alsamixer" "F6" does not preserve
> setting for default sound card "default: 1"
> "alsactl store" - does not preserve it either.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] Computer case for new build

[Jude DaShiell]

On one computer I had it came with an Alien ATX case.  If memory serves
that one had a top fan.  The only thing I didn't like about that case was
not enough slots for two drive sleds in addition to the dvd burner.  Only
one sled could be accommodated.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Thu, 9 Nov 2023, Dale wrote:

> Dale wrote:
> > Howdy,
> >
> > This is a work in progress and may take some time, financially if
> > nothing else.  With hindsight, I wish I had done this before the price
> > of everything went up but some things are getting more reasonable. My
> > first task, a case.  At this point, I may build a new system in the new
> > case, or, I might build the new system in my current case.  It depends
> > on which case I buy.  A cube shape wouldn't work for my main system.  It
> > would take up to much space, it would however make a great NAS box.  My
> > current case is a Cooler Master HAF-932 with those huge 200mm fans.  It
> > has a top fan and that thing removes a lot of warm air.  A top fan
> > really improves heat removal.  After all, heat naturally rises.  So any
> > case that has a top fan gets extra points with me. 
> >
> > <<>>
> >
> > So, anyone think they know of a case that might beat those, especially
> > the Define 7, and still have a price that is reasonable?  I also look at
> > cooling fans.  I really like how cool my current case stays.  Also, I'm
> > in the USA so needs to be available here.  I mostly use Ebay but
> > sometimes use Amazon.  I've also used Newegg, Tigerdirect and a couple
> > other sites as well.  If you live outside the USA, brand and model will
> > do and I can look it up to see if it is available here or not. 
> > <<>>
> > Dale
> >
> > :-)  :-)
>
>
> A little update.  I got the Fractal Design Define 7 XL in earlier
> today.  It is huge.  Size wise, it is about like my Cooler Master
> HAF-932.  It's just more boxy where the Cooler Master has some angled
> edges.  Anyway, it is very different than any case I've ever seen on the
> inside.  All the panels has these little ball things that snap them in
> and it feels like there may be a magnet in places but could just be the
> ball things.  Hard to tell.  I think it will hold a lot of drives
> eventually.  It can be made into a super nice NAS box tho.  I mean super
> nice. 
>
> The one thing I don't like.  Reading the description, it makes it sound
> like it comes with all the cages needed for all hard drives to be
> mounted.  It does not come with those.  They are extra and don't always
> come in a set.  One part can be the cage part of it.  Another part can
> be the little tray that the drive actually mounts on and slides into the
> cage.  The cage part is about $20.  Both pieces are about $35 bought
> together.  I'm looking on ebay at the moment.  I may can get a better
> deal from Fractal tho.  Still, be prepared for not getting it really
> complete if you plan to install lots of drives right away. 
>
> If you don't like top mounted fans, that is a option.  It has a solid
> panel for the top.  Me, I like top mounted fans.  Heat rises, why fight
> it.  For that, it comes with a really nice mesh thing for the top that
> looks OK.  I haven't put it on yet tho.  Given the number of fans, I may
> try it without out the top fans.  Just to see.  I do kinda wish it had a
> side fan but the side is all glass. 
>
> It is pricey.  Given I still have to buy the cage kits, about 4 or 5 I
> think, that drives the cost up even more.  Still, it is a nice case.  I
> just wish it came with a complete set of drive cages. 
>
> There are quite a few pics and videos of the thing already so I'm not
> going to pollute the mailing list with those.  If someone wants a pic of
> something, I could send it off list.  Honestly tho, there are a lot
> already around to search for and find. 
>
> Oh, it is heavy.  Packed up it weighs in at 42 lbs.  The box might weigh
> a few pounds.  I'd guess, about 38 maybe 39 lbs. 
>
> Since my water heater decided to die, that took my puter money.  Gotta
> build up again to buy mobo, CPU and memory.  Maybe prices will drop a
> little.  :/ 
>
> On video cards.  I bought a 4 pack of PCIe version 2 cards.  I'm pretty
> sure my new mobo will be PCIe V3.  I think I got that right. Will that
> slower card work in there?  If so, will it slow anything else down?  Or
> do I need to get a matched set? 
>
> Thanks to all.  This may take a little longer than planned after the
> water heater failure.  Dang near $600. 
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-) 
>
>

RE: [gentoo-user] alsa not working with hda intel sound card

[Jude DaShiell]

If pipewire is used, and wireplumber isn't already on the machine it's
time to install it and allow the install to remove a soon deprecated
pipewire-media-manager package.  That may help.
If pulseaudio is used could be pulseaudio --cleanup-shm needs doing.
In either case, I'd first run alsactl init then amixer set Master 100%
unmute and check volume levels.  If good alsactl store may also help or
throw an error.
Perhaps plug a headset into the onboard sound card and listen to see if
it's doing anything at all before doing any of this so you have a
baseline.  Somehow the card could have got disabled.
This is why I bought a crystal cs usb sound card I can plug into a usb-a
port and still have sound no matter what the computer thinks it's doing.
Saved my bacon a few times.

You could also be having jackd problems in which case I can't help you
since I haven't the necessary jackd degree.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Wed, 8 Nov 2023, John Covici wrote:

> Everything is unmuted, verified with amixer and even alsami
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dale 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2023 3:26 PM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] alsa not working with hda intel sound card
>
> John Covici wrote:
> > Hi all.
> >
> > I have run into a problem, where I am getting no sound out of the jack
> > on my sound card.  I think this happened since the last major reboot
> > after my world update.
> >
> > If I use a usb sound card I have things work fine, but not the one on
> > the motherboard.  Here is the card spec using the listpci.
> >
> > 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation Cannon Lake PCH cAVS (rev 10)
> > Subsystem: Super Micro Computer Inc Cannon Lake PCH cAVS
> >Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 32, IRQ 157
> >  Memory at a243 (64-bit, non-prefetchable)
> > [size=16K]
> >Memory at a200 (64-bit, non-prefetchable)
> > [size=1M]
> >Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 3
> >  Capabilities: [80] Vendor Specific
> > Information: Len=14 
> >Capabilities: [60] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable-
> > 64bit+
> >Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
> >  Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel, snd_soc_skl
> >
> > Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> >
>
>
> I'm going to mention this because I've done this myself, more than
> once.  Are you sure you have enabled, unmuted, the controls in all the
> places that control it?  I recall my first install.  I think I had to
> unmute the sound in three places before I had sound.  I seem to recall
> at least these possibilities in more recent memory.  Kmix if using KDE,
> ALSA, possibly pipewire which is kinda new and I'm not sure what
> desktops use or don't use it.  You could have pulseaudio as well.  Jack
> I think is another one but never used it so not sure.  Of course, there
> could be others as well.  The bad thing is, it only takes one to disable
> the sound.  The upgrade could have triggered something.
>
> Also, make sure you run the tool to update config changes, just in case
> it has something waiting and is needed.
>
> That may or may not help but thought it worth a mention.  Just in case.;-)
>
> Thanks for the quick response.  Everything is unmuted, verified with amixerr 
> and even alsamixer.  This is just in a virtual console, no gui involved.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting output of a program running in background after a crash

[Jude DaShiell]

Linux is being targeted by ransomware and other forms of malware so it may
be worthwhile to run ferensics on your backup and find what ferensics have
to tell you.  After check and see if any of what you found out were false
positives.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Wed, 11 Oct 2023, Dale wrote:

> Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> > Am Sun, Oct 08, 2023 at 07:44:06PM -0500 schrieb Dale:
> >
> >> Just as a update.  The file system I was trying to do a file system
> >> check on was my large one, about 40TBs worth.  While running the file
> >> system check, it started using HUGE amounts of memory.  It used almost
> >> all my 32GBs and most of swap as well.  It couldn't finish due to not
> >> enough memory, it literally crashed itself.  So, I don't know if this is
> >> because of some huge problem or what but if this is expected behavior,
> >> don't try to do a file system check on devices that large unless you
> >> have a LOT of memory. 
> > Or use a different filesystem. O:-)
>
> I'm using ext4 which is said to be one of the most reliable and widely
> used file systems.  I do wonder tho, am I creating file systems that may
> be to large or that it just has trouble with???  I doubt that but I'm up
> to about 40TBs now.  I just can't figure out a way to split that data
> up, yet.
>
>
> >> I ended up recreating the LVM devices from scratch and redoing the
> >> encryption as well.  I have backups tho.  This all started when using
> >> pvmove to replace a hard drive with a larger drive.  I guess pvmove
> >> isn't always safe.
> > I think that may be a far-fetched conclusion. If it weren’t safe, it
> > wouldn’t be in the software – or at least not advertised as safe.
> >
>
> Well, something went sideways.  Honestly, I think it might not be pvmove
> but something happened with the file system itself. After all, LVM
> wasn't complaining at all and everything showed the move completed with
> no errors.  I guess it is possible pvmove had a problem but given it was
> the file system that complained so loudly, I'm leaning to it having a
> issue. 
>
>
> >> P. S.  I currently have my backup system on my old Gigabyte 770T mobo
> >> and friends.  It is still a bit slower than copying when no encryption
> >> is used so I guess encryption does slow things down a bit.  That said,
> >> the CPU does hang around 50% most of the time.  htop doesn't show what
> >> is using that so it must be IO or encryption.
> > You can add more widgets (“meters”) to htop, one of them shows disk
> > throughput. But there is none for I/O wait. One tool that does show that is
> > glances. And also dstat which I mentioned a few days ago. Not only can dstat
> > tell you the total percentage, but also which process is the most expensive
> > one.
> >
> > I set up bash aliases for different use cases of dstat:
> > alias ,d='dstat --time --cpu --disk -D $(ls /dev/sd? /dev/nvme?n? 
> > /dev/mmcblk? 2>/dev/null | tr "\n" ,) --net --mem --swap'
> > alias ,dd='dstat --time --cpu --disk --disk-util -D $(ls /dev/sd? 
> > /dev/nvme?n? /dev/mmcblk? 2>/dev/null | tr "\n" ,) --mem-adv'
> > alias ,dm='dstat --time --cpu --disk -D $(ls /dev/sd? /dev/nvme?n? 
> > /dev/mmcblk? 2>/dev/null | tr "\n" ,) --net --mem-adv --swap'
> > alias ,dt='dstat --time --cpu --disk -D $(ls /dev/sd? /dev/nvme?n? 
> > /dev/mmcblk? 2>/dev/null | tr "\n" ,) --net --mem --swap --top-cpu 
> > --top-bio --top-io --top-mem'
> >
> > Because I attach external storage once in a while, I use a dynamic list of
> > devices to watch that is passed to the -D argument. If I don’t use -D, dstat
> > will only show a total for all drives.
> >
> > The first is a simple overview (d = dstat).
> >
> > The second is the same but only for disk statistics (dd = dstat disks). I
> > use it mostly on my NAS (five SATA drives in total, which creates a very
> > wide table).
> >
> > The third shows more memory details like dirty cache (dm = dstat memory),
> > which is interesting when copying large files.
> >
> > And the last one shows the top “pigs”, i.e. expensive processes in terms of
> > CPU, IO and memory (dt = dstat top).
> >
> >> Or something kernel
> >> related that htop doesn't show.  No idea. 
> > Perhaps my tool tips give you ideas. :)
> >
> > -- Grüße | Greetings | Salut | Qapla’ Please do not share anything
> > from, with or about me on any social network. What is the difference
> > between two flutes? – A semitone.
>
>
> Dang, I have a lot of drives here to add to all that.  Bad thing is,
> every time I reboot, all but two I think tend to move around, even tho I
> haven't moved anything.  This is why I use either labels or UUIDs by the
> way.  Once ages ago, I saw a way to make commands/scripts see all drives
> on a system with some sort of inclusive trick.  I think it used brackets
> but not sure.  I can't find that trick anymore.  I should have saved
> that thing. 
>
> I used some command, 

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting output of a program running in background after a crash

[Jude DaShiell]

If I understand your question, this may help.  Understand prog is the
program that errors out in this example:
prog 2>&1 | tee prog.err
Look for all output including errors in the file prog.err which tee will
have created for you and before opening prog.err try wc-l prog.err and
grep -i error prog.err to do initial inspection.  If the wc command
returns 0 then no need to do the grep search since the file is empty.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Sun, 8 Oct 2023, Dale wrote:

> Howdy,
>
> I use Konsole a lot, that thing within KDE that acts like a console. 
> Anyway, I'm running a offline file system check on a rather large file
> system.  For some reason, Konsole decided to crash.  I can see the file
> system is still running with top, ps etc but I can't see anything to
> know what it is doing.  Is there a way to get that back?  Should I kill
> it and restart now that Konsole is running again?  I'd think a regular
> term signal would give it a safe stopping place but still kinda chicken
> to do it.  Then again, what if it stops and needs my input or worse yet,
> it displays a error that I can't see but I need to know and see? 
>
> Any thoughts?  Is there a way to get it back?  Kill it and restart?  Do
> nothing and hope for the best? 
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-) 
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] Password questions, looking for opinions. cryptsetup question too.

[Jude DaShiell]

Another possibility is to write down encrypted passwords and don't
disclose encryption technique.  The rot13 is worthless.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Wed, 20 Sep 2023, Hoël Bézier wrote:

> Am Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 12:36:13AM -0500 schrieb Dale:
> >In the real world tho, how do people reading this make passwords that no
> >one could ever guess?  I use Bitwarden to handle website passwords and
> >it does a good job.  I make up my own tho when encrypting drives.  I'm
> >not sure I can really use Bitwarden for that given it is a command line
> >thing, well, in a script in my case.  I doubt anyone would ever guess
> >any of my passwords but how do people reading this do theirs?  Just how
> >far do you really go to make it secure?  Obviously you shouldn't give up
> >much detail but just some general ideas.  Maybe even a example or two of
> >a fake password, just something that you would come up with and how. 
>
> For storing passwords, I use app-admin/pass.
>
> For choosing passphrases, I write sentences. I know having space character at
> a predictable frequence in the passphrase makes it easier to find out, but
> using phrases makes it easier to come up with very long passphrases (which, I
> believe, balances the space thing, though I’m no crypto expert), which are
> also easy to remember.
>
> Hoël
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] Password questions, looking for opinions. cryptsetup question too.

[Jude DaShiell]

another possibility is use of a dictionary.  Find a word in dictionary
note page column and line.  Divide pages in dictionary by 2 and either add
or subtract that number of pages to or from page word is found on then on
the new page find the column and line for your actual password.  Of
course, you write the first word you looked up down as your password and
not the second word you just found you use for your real password.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Tue, 19 Sep 2023, hitachi303 wrote:

> Am 19.09.23 um 07:36 schrieb Dale:
> > Maybe even a example or two of a fake password, just something that you
> > would come up with and how.
>
>
> There was this TV series Sherlock. In one episode they communicated by numbers
> where each number referred to a word in a book. This was somewhat also used in
> a movie with Nicolas Cage where he is treasure hunting.
>
> For the passwords which matter this seems to be a quit good way. As long as
> nobody guesses your book you can write down your passwords and look them up if
> needed. Like 239/4 which would tell you to open page 239 and use word 4. Or
> 239/4/3 -> page 239 line 4 word 3.
> Then you start to make it difficult so that you don't just use words. Like
> start with the first letter of the word than go backwards and use every second
> letter until you habe 8 letters. Mix in a number for every third position.
> You can change the rule as you like. Keep it always the same and you can look
> your password up every time. In German there are quit a lot of capital letters
> so just take them.
> You can be creative as wild. Take a poem in middle age German and take only
> the first an last letter from every line. Every third number from pi. Since
> there is no pattern in pi this should be safe.
>
> Something like that.
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] Password questions, looking for opinions. cryptsetup question too.

[Jude DaShiell]

I generate random passwords using dice.  First and last characters in
passwords are letters that's arbitrary buys more time.  Those should have
lengths over 13 and before the agency I used to work for went to
smartcards and 256 character random passwords their last standard was 16
characters with minimum two symbols minimum two numbers minimum two
upper-case and minimum two lower-case.  No dictionary words or keyboard
walking allowed.  Firewall piercing with laptops got used regularly by
state actors and there is a firewall-piercing-howto file on the internet
for anyone interested.
The remaining characters first got their sets chosen.  A 1 on dice picked
a number for that spot and a 6 picked a symbol.  Two or 3 picked an
upper-case and 4 or 5 picked a lower-case.  Once the set spots got figured
five dice got used for letters add the total and subtract 4 for the
particular letter.  three dice got used for symbols with a single dice
roll of either odd for first 16 symbols or even single dice roll for
second 16 symbols.  Your choice as to put which 16 symbols in the even and
odd sets those could be randomized.  Numbers used two dice with 2
subtracted from total and a 2 rolled with the dice returned a 0.  Slow and
necessary to write worksheet down as dice rolling proceeded and password
needed writing down on completion.  Since I do most of my writing in
braille I have a good encryption system I can encrypt further by using the
old English braille instead of the American braille.  American braille has
dot arrangement 123 down left side of cell for reading and 4 5 6 down
right side of cell for reading.  English braille has 1 3 5 down the left
side and 2 4 6 down the right side of the cell for reading.  Those are dot
number arrangements.  Braille readers on this list I expect maybe only one
other will understand what I just wrote.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Tue, 19 Sep 2023, Michael wrote:

> On Tuesday, 19 September 2023 06:36:13 BST Dale wrote:
> > Howdy,
> >
> > As some know, I encrypt a lot of stuff here.  I use passwords that I can
> > recall but no one could ever guess.  I don't use things that someone may
> > figure out like pet's name or anything like that.  I use a couple sites
> > to see just how good my passwords are.  I try to get into the millions
> > of years at least.  I have a couple that it claims is in the trillions
> > of years to crack.  I've read some things not to use like pet names and
> > such.  I've also read that one should use upper and lower case letters,
> > symbols and such and I do that, especially on my stuff I never want to
> > be cracked.  Some stuff, when I'm dead, it's gone.
>
> As/when quantum computers development progresses, many/some passwords and
> hashes will be cracked/brute forced (RSA encryption springs to mind).  It is
> best if you can think of any password as keeping your door and windows locked.
> They will stop most opportunistic attempts, but not anyone who is determined
> to break in.  It is unlikely your passwords will stop state actors.  A strong
> password, like a strong door lock, buys you time.  Hence the general
> recommendation to change your passwords frequently.
>
>
> > In the real world tho, how do people reading this make passwords that no
> > one could ever guess?
>
> You can use gpg, or openssl, or app-admin/apg, or app-admin/pwgen, to generate
> random enough strings to use as passwords.  They will be difficult to guess,
> but will be VERY difficult to remember.  You'll have to store them offline
> and/or protect them in turn with some master passphrase you can remember.
>
> As an example, you could choose characters/strings from the output stored in
> file.txt, when you run:
>
> < /dev/random tr -dc "[:space:][:print:]" | head -c500 > file.txt
>
>
> > I use Bitwarden to handle website passwords and
> > it does a good job.  I make up my own tho when encrypting drives.  I'm
> > not sure I can really use Bitwarden for that given it is a command line
> > thing, well, in a script in my case.  I doubt anyone would ever guess
> > any of my passwords but how do people reading this do theirs?  Just how
> > far do you really go to make it secure?  Obviously you shouldn't give up
> > much detail but just some general ideas.  Maybe even a example or two of
> > a fake password, just something that you would come up with and how.
> >
> > This is the two sites I use.
> >
> >
> > https://www.passwordmonster.com/
> >
> > https://www.security.org/how-secure-is-my-password/
> >
> >
> > I have a password in the first one that shows this:
> >
> >
> > It would take a computer about 63 thousand years to crack your password
> >
> >
> > Second one says this.
> >
> > It would take a computer about 5 million years to crack your password
> >
> > Exact same password in both.  Why such a large range to crack?
>
> I don't know why these guys come up with 

Re: [gentoo-user] Computer case for new build

[Jude DaShiell]

On a previous computer, I had an Alien ATX case.  The one drawback with
that case was only one drive slot for a DVD drive.  I prefer computer
cases with a few more than that so internal drive sleds can be installed.
When onboard cards break, if you have spare pci slots available and spare
cash you can replace those broken onboard cards with alternatives if you
can redirect the motherboards to use your replacement cards.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Tue, 19 Sep 2023, Dale wrote:

> Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> > Am Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 06:40:52PM -0500 schrieb Dale:
> >
>  I tend to need quite a few PCIe slots.  I like to have my own video
>  card.  I never liked the built in ones.
> >>> You’re just asking to be asked. ;-) Why don’t you like them? (I fear I may
> >>> have asked that before).
> >>>
> >>> I get it when you wanna do it your way because it always worked™ (which is
> >>> not wrong — don’t misunderstand me) and perhaps you had some bad 
> >>> experience
> >>> in the past. OTOH it’s a pricey component usually only needed by gamers 
> >>> and
> >>> number crunchers. On-board graphics are just fine for Desktop and even
> >>> (very) light gaming and they lower power draw considerably. Give it a 
> >>> swirl,
> >>> maybe you like it. :) Both Intel and AMD work just fine with the kernel
> >>> drivers.
> >> Well, for one, I usually upgrade the video card several times before I
> >> upgrade the mobo.  When it is built in, not a option.  I think I'm on my
> >> third in this rig.
> >>
> >> I also need multiple outputs, two at least.
> > That is not a problem with iGPUs. The only thing to consider is the type of
> > video connectors on the board. Most have two classical ones, some three,
> > divided among HDMI and DP. And the fancy ones use USB-C with DisplayPort
> > alternative mode. Also, dGPUs draw a lot more when using two displays.
> >
>
> They have added a lot of stuff to mobos since I bought one about a
> decade ago.  Maybe things have improved.  I just like PCIe slots and
> cards.  Gives me more options.  Given how things have changed tho, I may
> have to give in on some things.  I just like my mobos to be like Linux. 
> Have something do one thing and do it well.  When needed, change that
> thing.  ;-) 
>
>
> >> One for
> >> monitor and one for TV.  My little NAS box I'm currently using is a Dell
> >> something.  The video works but it has no GUI.  At times during the boot
> >> up process, things don't scroll up the screen.  I may be missing a
> >> setting somewhere but when it blanks out, it comes back with a different
> >> resolution and font size.
> > In case you use Grub, it has an option to keep the UEFI video mode.
> > So there would be no switching if UEFI already starts with the proper
> > resolution.
>
> That rig is old.  Maybe 10 or 15 years old.  No UEFI on it.  Does use
> grub tho.  I duckduckgo'd it and changed some settings but last time I
> booted, it did all that blinky, blank stuff.  Sometimes, I wonder if it
> is hung up or crashed.  Then it pops up again and lets me know it is
> still booting.  Eventually, I'll remove the monitor completely.  Then it
> either boots up or it doesn't.  I just ssh in, decrypt the drives, then
> mount from my main rig and start my backups.  I might add, this new
> setup with LVM, the backups started at about the end of a previous
> thread last Wednesday I think.  It's still copying data to the new
> backup.  It's up the files starting with a "M".  The ones starting with
> "The" is pretty big.  It's gonna take a while.  Poor drives.  o_O
>
>
> >> My Gentoo box doesn't do that.  I can see the screen from BIOS all the
> >> way to when it finishes booting and the GUI comes up.  I'm one of those
> >> who watches.  ;-)
> > Yeah, and it’s neat if there is no flickering or blanking. So modern and
> > clean.
> >
>  Figure the case is a
>  good place to start.  Mobo, CPU and such next.  Figure mobo will pick
>  memory for me since usually only one or two will work anyway. 
> >>> One or two what?
> >> One or two types of memory.  Usually, plain or ECC.  Mobos usually are
> >> usually pretty picky on their memory. 
> > Hm… while I haven’t used that many different components in my life, so far
> > I have not had a system not accept any RAM. Just stick to the big names, I
> > guess.
>
> I think one of my rigs uses DDR, I think my main rig is DDR3.  I noticed
> they are up to DDR5 now.  What I meant was if a mobo requires DDR4, that
> is usually all it will take.  Nothing else will work.  Whatever the mobo
> requires is what you use, just pick a good brand as you say. 
>
>
>  Since no one mentioned a better case, that Define thing may end up being
>  it.  That Gamemax is cheaper but a lot less drive capacity.  Heck, when
>  I bought my current case, which has space for five 3.5" and six 5 1/4"
>  drives, I 

Re: [gentoo-user] any gentoo torrents available?

[Jude DaShiell]

Thanks, I'll try that tonight.


-- 
Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
Please use in that order."
Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Wed, 6 Sep 2023, Michael wrote:

> On Wednesday, 6 September 2023 16:04:33 BST Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > These days I'm having better luck downloading through bittorrent and
> > seeding rather than doing direct downloads with wget.  Problem with direct
> > downloads on large files files come down corrupted and don't verify when I
> > try to verify them.
>
> There used to be a torrent, but apparently discontinued years ago as Internet
> connections became faster, while Gentoo ISOs and Stage 3 remained just a few
> MBs:
>
> https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-975898-start-0.html
>
>
> > It is probably a bad internet network connection.
> > I'm rather sure last time computer went back to factory for repair it had
> > its ram checked and found good.
>
> memtest86+ should let you know after an overnight run if there is something
> wrong with your RAM.

[gentoo-user] any gentoo torrents available?

[Jude DaShiell]

These days I'm having better luck downloading through bittorrent and
seeding rather than doing direct downloads with wget.  Problem with direct
downloads on large files files come down corrupted and don't verify when I
try to verify them.  It is probably a bad internet network connection.
I'm rather sure last time computer went back to factory for repair it had
its ram checked and found good.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

Re: [gentoo-user] Question about gentoo accessibility.

[Jude DaShiell]

To clarify, that's the gentoo minimal iso I think John uses to install.
So far as I know the live iso hasn't got espeak built into its kernel.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Tue, 2 May 2023, John Covici wrote:

> On Tue, 02 May 2023 14:06:34 -0400,
> Matthew Dyer wrote:
> >
> > Good afternoon all,
> >
> >
> > This question might be better sooted for the accessibility list,
> > but seeing that I don't seem to be getting help there I thought I
> > would bring it up here.  First off, I am an orca user in the gui,
> > but use espeakup in or fenrir in the concel.  I find that booting
> > the officael iso, there is no easy way to boot up with
> > speech. For example, in debian, at the boot prompt, pressing S
> > will bring up the installer with speech and you can follow the
> > prompts in the text installer which uses espeakup.  Could
> > something simlar be done for gentoo?  My work around has been to
> > use another linux distro iso.  I.E ubuntu to do the install
> > following the wiki, but seening there is no way to get speech
> > after, that is whare  I fall short.  The other problem is that if
> > trying to install accessibility packages like orca, there seems
> > to be alot of problems with conflicks with flags and
> > dependencies.  For example, when installikng orca, it complans
> > that espeak and espeak-ng can not be installed at the same time. 
> > What is strange is that espeak is not even installed at this
> > point.  Installing espeak-ng installs without a problem.  Perhaps
> > this is a bug that perhaps is unreported.  Perhaps an
> > accessibility profile could be created for this.  Thanks and hope
> > that this is something that can be looked at.  The wiki doesn't
> > have much in the way of accessibility in particular installing. 
> > Thanks again.
>
> I have installed gentoo several times, using the gentoo iso, not the
> live distribution.  I get all the way through, update the system and
> then worry about orca later, depending on what gui I want to install
> -- I have installed orca from master and used gnome as my gui.  The
> regular gentoo iso has the speakup modules enabled in the kernel, so
> this should not be too bad.  What helps greatly is a hardware speech
> synthesizer, for software speech you might have to install something
> like espeakup, I have not done things that way, so experimentation
> would be necessary.
>
> I hope this helps, let me know if you have any further questions.
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] text output from the kernel during boot is not showing

[Jude DaShiell]

As a screen reader user, that's a huge amount of material to listen to
scrolling by fast.  It is useful to know that a system is talking as it
comes up, but I get more from dmesg after the boot process finishes since
I can do so in an organized fashion.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Mon, 24 Apr 2023, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

> Yes, I know.
> But I'm used to see those lines scrolling by during boot.  As sometimes you
> can see error during booting.
>
>
> On 4/24/23 16:36, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > Okay, that means you had an error free boot without fatals and without
> > warnings.
> >
> >
> > -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
> > order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
> >
> > On Mon, 24 Apr 2023, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> >
> >> None of them produce any output:
> >> - dmesg|  grep -i fatal
> >> - dmesg| grep -i error
> >> - dmesg| grep -i warn
> >>
> >>
> >> On 4/24/23 16:11, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >>> After a boot,
> >>> dmesg|  grep -i fatal && dmesg|grep -i error&| grep -i warn
> >>> may help.  If I were doing that for my own uses, I'd include titles and
> >>> read statements in the command.  All of that could be redirected by means
> >>> of non-destructive appends to a file too.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> >>> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
> >>> order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, 24 Apr 2023, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 4/24/23 15:41, Mark Knecht wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 2:31 PM  >>>>> <mailto:the...@sys-concept.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 4/24/23 14:39, Mark Knecht wrote:
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 11:56 AM  >>>>>> > <mailto:the...@sys-concept.com> <mailto:the...@sys-concept.com
> >>>>>> > <mailto:the...@sys-concept.com>>> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> #Append parameters to the linux kernel command line for
> >>>>>> #non-recovery
> >>>>>> #entries
> >>>>>> #GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Consider uncommenting this line and running sudo update-grub
> >>>>
> >>>> Why should I uncommenting this line with an empty parameter?
> >>>> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
> >>>>
> >>>>>># The resolution used on graphical terminal.
> >>>>>> # Note that you can use only modes which your graphic card supports
> >>>>>>via
> >>>>>>VBE.
> >>>>>> # You can see them in real GRUB with the command `vbeinfo'.
> >>>>>> #GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480
> >>>>>> GRUB_GFXMODE=1024x768x32
> >>>>
> >>>> GRUB_GFXMODE=1024x768x32 was there before and it run perfectly find with
> >>>> older
> >>>> kernel: linux-5.10.103-gentoo
> >>>> Just after upgrading to kernel-6.1.19 it happened
> >>>>
> >>>>> While I understand that you probably didn't change this setting do
> >>>>> you know that 1024x769x32 is ok?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Have you run vbeinfo or verified by some other means?
> >>>>
> >>>> This box is in remote location, so it is hard for me to test with vbeinfo
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] text output from the kernel during boot is not showing

[Jude DaShiell]

Okay, that means you had an error free boot without fatals and without
warnings.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Mon, 24 Apr 2023, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

> None of them produce any output:
> - dmesg|  grep -i fatal
> - dmesg| grep -i error
> - dmesg| grep -i warn
>
>
> On 4/24/23 16:11, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > After a boot,
> > dmesg|  grep -i fatal && dmesg|grep -i error&| grep -i warn
> > may help.  If I were doing that for my own uses, I'd include titles and
> > read statements in the command.  All of that could be redirected by means
> > of non-destructive appends to a file too.
> >
> >
> > -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
> > order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
> >
> > On Mon, 24 Apr 2023, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> >
> >> On 4/24/23 15:41, Mark Knecht wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 2:31 PM  >>> <mailto:the...@sys-concept.com>> wrote:
> >>>   >
> >>>   > On 4/24/23 14:39, Mark Knecht wrote:
> >>>   > >
> >>>   > >
> >>>   > > On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 11:56 AM  >>>   > > <mailto:the...@sys-concept.com> <mailto:the...@sys-concept.com
> >>>   > > <mailto:the...@sys-concept.com>>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>   > #Append parameters to the linux kernel command line for non-recovery
> >>>   > #entries
> >>>   > #GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> Consider uncommenting this line and running sudo update-grub
> >>
> >> Why should I uncommenting this line with an empty parameter?
> >> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
> >>
> >>>   ># The resolution used on graphical terminal.
> >>>   > # Note that you can use only modes which your graphic card supports
> >>>   >via
> >>>   >VBE.
> >>>   > # You can see them in real GRUB with the command `vbeinfo'.
> >>>   > #GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480
> >>>   > GRUB_GFXMODE=1024x768x32
> >>
> >> GRUB_GFXMODE=1024x768x32 was there before and it run perfectly find with
> >> older
> >> kernel: linux-5.10.103-gentoo
> >> Just after upgrading to kernel-6.1.19 it happened
> >>
> >>> While I understand that you probably didn't change this setting do
> >>> you know that 1024x769x32 is ok?
> >>>
> >>> Have you run vbeinfo or verified by some other means?
> >>
> >> This box is in remote location, so it is hard for me to test with vbeinfo
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] text output from the kernel during boot is not showing

[Jude DaShiell]

After a boot,
dmesg|  grep -i fatal && dmesg|grep -i error&| grep -i warn
may help.  If I were doing that for my own uses, I'd include titles and
read statements in the command.  All of that could be redirected by means
of non-destructive appends to a file too.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Mon, 24 Apr 2023, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

> On 4/24/23 15:41, Mark Knecht wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 2:31 PM  > > wrote:
> >  >
> >  > On 4/24/23 14:39, Mark Knecht wrote:
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > > On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 11:56 AM  >  > >   >  > > >> wrote:
> > 
> >  > #Append parameters to the linux kernel command line for non-recovery
> >  > #entries
> >  > #GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
> > 
> >
> > Consider uncommenting this line and running sudo update-grub
>
> Why should I uncommenting this line with an empty parameter?
> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
>
> >  ># The resolution used on graphical terminal.
> >  > # Note that you can use only modes which your graphic card supports via
> >  >VBE.
> >  > # You can see them in real GRUB with the command `vbeinfo'.
> >  > #GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480
> >  > GRUB_GFXMODE=1024x768x32
>
> GRUB_GFXMODE=1024x768x32 was there before and it run perfectly find with older
> kernel: linux-5.10.103-gentoo
> Just after upgrading to kernel-6.1.19 it happened
>
> > While I understand that you probably didn't change this setting do
> > you know that 1024x769x32 is ok?
> >
> > Have you run vbeinfo or verified by some other means?
>
> This box is in remote location, so it is hard for me to test with vbeinfo
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] Can some config files be automatically protected from etc-update?

[Jude DaShiell]

If that works and I were to use chattr +i it might be useful to make a
list of what's now immuteable so later adjustments could be made when
appropriate.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:

> Am Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 12:28:01PM -0700 schrieb Mark Knecht:
> > On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 11:26 AM Walter Dnes  wrote:
> > >
> > >   Now that the (no)multilib problem in my latest update has been solved,
> > > I have a somewhat minor complaint.  Can I get etc-update to skip certain
> > > files?  My latest emerge world wanted to "update"...
> > >
> > > 1) /etc/hosts (1)
> > > 2) /etc/inittab (1)
> > > 3) /etc/mtab (1)
> > > 4) /etc/conf.d/consolefont (1)
> > > 5) /etc/conf.d/hwclock (1)
> > > 6) /etc/default/grub (1)
> > > 7) /etc/ssh/sshd_config (1)
> > >
> > > ...hosts is critical for networking.  consolefont allows me tp use the
> > > true text console with a readable font, etc, etc.  I have my reasons
> > > for making certain settings, and keeping them that way.
> > >
> > In my experience with all distros I go outside the distro for this
> > sort of issue. Put a copy somewhere, white a little script that
> > does a diff on the files you feel are important enough and run
> > a cron job hourly that looks for any differences.
>
> Isn’t that exactly what etc-update does? IIRC (my last Gentoo update was a
> few months ago), I select one of the files, and it lets me view a diff in
> vim (configurable) of my old version and the new one from the update. Then I
> can either merge the two files right in vim, or elect to keep the new or old
> file entirely.
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] Can some config files be automatically protected from etc-update?

[Jude DaShiell]

My guess is gentoo includes the chattr utility.  Does emerge respect
chattr +i /etc/hosts?


-- 
Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
Please use in that order."
Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:

> Am Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 12:28:01PM -0700 schrieb Mark Knecht:
> > On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 11:26 AM Walter Dnes  wrote:
> > >
> > >   Now that the (no)multilib problem in my latest update has been solved,
> > > I have a somewhat minor complaint.  Can I get etc-update to skip certain
> > > files?  My latest emerge world wanted to "update"...
> > >
> > > 1) /etc/hosts (1)
> > > 2) /etc/inittab (1)
> > > 3) /etc/mtab (1)
> > > 4) /etc/conf.d/consolefont (1)
> > > 5) /etc/conf.d/hwclock (1)
> > > 6) /etc/default/grub (1)
> > > 7) /etc/ssh/sshd_config (1)
> > >
> > > ...hosts is critical for networking.  consolefont allows me tp use the
> > > true text console with a readable font, etc, etc.  I have my reasons
> > > for making certain settings, and keeping them that way.
> > >
> > In my experience with all distros I go outside the distro for this
> > sort of issue. Put a copy somewhere, white a little script that
> > does a diff on the files you feel are important enough and run
> > a cron job hourly that looks for any differences.
>
> Isn’t that exactly what etc-update does? IIRC (my last Gentoo update was a
> few months ago), I select one of the files, and it lets me view a diff in
> vim (configurable) of my old version and the new one from the update. Then I
> can either merge the two files right in vim, or elect to keep the new or old
> file entirely.
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] No sound. Please, help!

[Jude DaShiell]

I'll go on a guess alsa got installed on the system.  If that is correct,
please try a command as root in terminal if necessary or on console:


amixer set Master 100% unmute && alsactl store && aplay
/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
It's possible that doesn't work because /var/lib/alsa/asound.state exists
or /var/lock/alsa.lock exists.
If those two files do not exist and pulseaudio and/or pipewire hasn't
gummed up the works that should work.

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo uninstallable on this hardware

[Jude DaShiell]

Old machine has died and gone to the recycler.  It was having trouble even
starting up had to hit start button multiple times.  New machine has nvme
drives on it and plenty of usb ports so older drives with other systems
can be attached.  I updated grub after connecting one of these drives so
will experiment later today to see if I can boot from the second older
drive.  That older machine gave good service for 8 years.


On Sun, 17 Apr 2022, Jack wrote:

> On 4/17/22 11:06, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > ...
> > Most recent crash happened after opening links on the gentoo page itself.
> > So far, gentoo is the only flavor of linux used around here that crashes
> > my hardware like that.  It was suggested the special glue holding the fan
> > to the cpu may have given out and in that case it's time for a new
> > computer.
> I don't believe that is glue, but thermal compound, which is supposed to
> assist the flow of heat from the CPU to the heat sink. If that is the problem,
> then your shutdowns would be due to overheating.  Depending on the particular
> motherboard/CPU combination, it should be possible for someone to remove the
> fan and heat sink from the CPU, clean off the old compound, and replace the
> heat sink using new thermal compound.  I don't know if there is any way for
> you to monitor the CPU temperature or at least get a warning if that is the
> reason for the shutdown.
> > In any case, this has been max frustrating.
>
> Quite understandable.
>
> Jack
>
>
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] for the speakup users on the list

[Jude DaShiell]

I'm checking on a lower bucks user group to see if it's still active.
They do all manner of operating systems including linux in that group.


On Sun, 17 Apr 2022, Jack wrote:

> I think many on this list would be willing to help with this, if the location
> were close enough.  You might hunt for a local linux users group, or other
> group of folks likely to be interested and willing to tinker with hardware. 
> You might also see if there is a local high school or technical school with
> relevant classes, to ask if there is a student willing to help you.
>
> The actual work in removing and replacing heat sink and fan is not that great
> - but if it is not near definite that is the cause of your problem, then it
> might be a wasted effort.
>
> On 4/17/22 12:53, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > Yes, I am blind and can disassemble computers okay but never could learn
> > to assemble them since the equipment to test memory external to computers
> > has been and will remain inaccessible.  This if it's done will have to be
> > done by a repair shop and likely will cost more to repair this machine
> > than replace it if that much work is involved.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 17 Apr 2022, Mark Knecht wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 8:14 AM Jude DaShiell  wrote:
> >>> Has the links browser crashed other computers when used with speakup?  If
> >>> it turns out I'm not unique maybe a safer browser choice ought to go on
> >>> the next minimal iso.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> To start, as you mention speakup, if you are yourself blind I acknowledge
> >> at the outset my suggestions below may not be the most practical.
> >>
> >> I'd start by doing everything I could to ensure the underlying motherboard
> >> and memory are stable:
> >>
> >> 1) Disconnect all external devices other than your keyboard
> >> 2) Disconnect all internal drives other than the one you need to install to
> >> 3) Remove all memory except for 1 stick
> >> 4) If the machine has a motherboard VGA AND you have a card-based
> >> GPU then remove that card
> >> 5) Leave wired ethernet connected if the machine and your network
> >> support it.
> >>
> >> At that point run memtest86 from USB or a DVD. If it's stable then
> >> start adding back memory. Double check that all memory is the
> >> same spec. I bought a used MB recently with 6 sticks but 2 of them
> >> weren't the same as the other 4.
> >>
> >> If all of that works I'd install some very light distro - probably
> >> Ubuntu Server but you're free to choose - with the goal to
> >> get a Linux kernel running. At that point I'm probably going to
> >> install something like btop and watch temperatures.
> >>
> >> If all that worked then you've made forward progress. If it
> >> doesn't you've also made forward progress.
> >>
> >> Good luck,
> >> Mark
> >>
> >>
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] for the speakup users on the list

[Jude DaShiell]

Yes, I am blind and can disassemble computers okay but never could learn
to assemble them since the equipment to test memory external to computers
has been and will remain inaccessible.  This if it's done will have to be
done by a repair shop and likely will cost more to repair this machine
than replace it if that much work is involved.


On Sun, 17 Apr 2022, Mark Knecht wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 8:14 AM Jude DaShiell  wrote:
> >
> > Has the links browser crashed other computers when used with speakup?  If
> > it turns out I'm not unique maybe a safer browser choice ought to go on
> > the next minimal iso.
> >
> >
>
> To start, as you mention speakup, if you are yourself blind I acknowledge
> at the outset my suggestions below may not be the most practical.
>
> I'd start by doing everything I could to ensure the underlying motherboard
> and memory are stable:
>
> 1) Disconnect all external devices other than your keyboard
> 2) Disconnect all internal drives other than the one you need to install to
> 3) Remove all memory except for 1 stick
> 4) If the machine has a motherboard VGA AND you have a card-based
> GPU then remove that card
> 5) Leave wired ethernet connected if the machine and your network
> support it.
>
> At that point run memtest86 from USB or a DVD. If it's stable then
> start adding back memory. Double check that all memory is the
> same spec. I bought a used MB recently with 6 sticks but 2 of them
> weren't the same as the other 4.
>
> If all of that works I'd install some very light distro - probably
> Ubuntu Server but you're free to choose - with the goal to
> get a Linux kernel running. At that point I'm probably going to
> install something like btop and watch temperatures.
>
> If all that worked then you've made forward progress. If it
> doesn't you've also made forward progress.
>
> Good luck,
> Mark
>
>

[gentoo-user] for the speakup users on the list

[Jude DaShiell]

Has the links browser crashed other computers when used with speakup?  If
it turns out I'm not unique maybe a safer browser choice ought to go on
the next minimal iso.

[gentoo-user] gentoo uninstallable on this hardware

[Jude DaShiell]

I have had several system crashes trying a gentoo install.
These crashes involve the loss of speakup and no capability to resurrect
speakup either.
Further to that, when the system is shutdown it cannot be restarted
without use of the reset button additional to the power button.
When I take my finger off the reset button, the fan inside the computer
speeds up and the system dies again with the fan turning off.
It could be I have hardware problems over here and will have to replace
this system soon.
Most recent crash happened after opening links on the gentoo page itself.
So far, gentoo is the only flavor of linux used around here that crashes
my hardware like that.  It was suggested the special glue holding the fan
to the cpu may have given out and in that case it's time for a new
computer.

In any case, this has been max frustrating.

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge-webrsync

[Jude DaShiell]

I was doing the emerge-webrsync step in the install instructions for
gentoo and that was to install a gentoo snapshot.


On Fri, 15 Apr 2022, Arve Barsnes wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 at 19:58, Jude DaShiell  wrote:
>
> > Found no snapshots on rit.edu and went back from now to March 6, 2022.
> > I'm using openrc now.  Has gentoo got a site where it shows latest
> > available snapshot information for its snapshots?
> >
>
> What kind of information are you after?
>
> I looked at a different mirror, and it doesn't really have any information
> except signatures and the like.
>
> https://ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/Mirrors/gentoo/snapshots/
>
> Regards,
> Arve
>

[gentoo-user] emerge-webrsync

[Jude DaShiell]

Found no snapshots on rit.edu and went back from now to March 6, 2022.
I'm using openrc now.  Has gentoo got a site where it shows latest
available snapshot information for its snapshots?

Re: [gentoo-user] error in /etc/portage/make.conf file

[Jude DaShiell]

Likely need to get a stage3 file that doesn't use systemd too.  Another
user on the speakup list let me know they don't use systemd and don't run
into the trouble I've had.


On Fri, 15 Apr 2022, Dr Rainer Woitok wrote:

> Jude,
>
> On Friday, 2022-04-15 09:58:40 -0400, you wrote:
>
> > after the  LC_MESSAGES=C
> > line, caught signal 2 exiting gets printed in the file.
>
> Try LC_MESSAGES="C"
>
> This is most probably read by Python rather than by a Shell.
>
> Sincerely,
>   Rainer
>
>

[gentoo-user] error in /etc/portage/make.conf file

[Jude DaShiell]

after the  LC_MESSAGES=C
line, caught signal 2 exiting gets printed in the file.
Could use of nokeymap boot parameter prevent this error?

[gentoo-user] gentoo after chroot has computer crash

[Jude DaShiell]

Not only does speakup crash but the system once turned off cannot be
started up again without use of the reset button.  This amd system has
about 14gb of ram and 8 cores on it.  Something else that happens every so
often is that the fans run really fast and sometimes not during gentoo
installation.  Could all of this be connected to smp?  If so, on the boot
line if I do
gentoo speakup.synth=soft,nosmp
is that the correct syntax?
Use of read highlighted helps with mirrorselect and I may be wrong on this
one but one of each kind of server is all that should be selected the
second one of which is rsync.

Re: [gentoo-user] mirrorselect r.f.e.

[Jude DaShiell]

I used cursor would tracking highlight work better?


On Fri, 15 Apr 2022, John Covici wrote:

> Are you using cursor or tracking hilight instead?
>
> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 22:30:58 -0400,
> Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >
> > When speakup is used with mirrorselect mirrorselect locks the cursor at
> > the bottom of the screen and doesn't allow moving the cursor onto repos in
> > the downloaded lists.  I can find which repos are selected by inspecting
> > the screen with speakup for changed colors where if I only hit the
> > spacebar once there should be a repository showing a different color
> > announced by speakup.  However the locked cursor prevents me from
> > positioning the cursor on any of those repositories.
> >
> >
>
>

[gentoo-user] mirrorselect r.f.e.

[Jude DaShiell]

When speakup is used with mirrorselect mirrorselect locks the cursor at
the bottom of the screen and doesn't allow moving the cursor onto repos in
the downloaded lists.  I can find which repos are selected by inspecting
the screen with speakup for changed colors where if I only hit the
spacebar once there should be a repository showing a different color
announced by speakup.  However the locked cursor prevents me from
positioning the cursor on any of those repositories.

RE: [gentoo-user] doing gentoo install disrupted

[Jude DaShiell]

Thanks space weather is out of here, I think.
I got a flash drive I can copy make.conf to and maybe share it with the
list if I can't figure out what broke.
I chose the systemd stage3 file latest version since I've not had exposure
to openrc and the other type of system gentoo offers in the past.  I know
a little bit about systemd.


On Thu, 14 Apr 2022, Laurence Perkins wrote:

>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dale 
> > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2022 8:29 AM
> > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] doing gentoo install disrupted
> >
> > Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > > I got down to emerge-webrsync and discovered an error in
> > > portage/make.conf on line 21 non-existent server then emerge-webrsync
> > > tried to get a time stamp and then speakup died.
> > > I have a single ssd slot in this machine and may be able to attach the
> > > gentoo ssd to the computer by usb so I can recover contents of my
> > > make.conf file and find out what happened in there.  It will be a long
> > > way back to chroot before I can try this again and that's not
> > > happening today due to space weather.  The computer will be off until
> > > tomorrow and disconnected.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > You can pick up where you left off at pretty much any point in a Gentoo 
> > install.  If you have to shutdown or unmount your install, just follow the 
> > mounting and chroot sections again.  Once you have that done, pick up where 
> > you left off.  In the past, I've had to do that before and it does fine as 
> > long as you remember where you left off.
> >
> > Hope that helps.
> >
> > Dale
> >
> > :-)  :-)
> >
> Even if you don't remember where you left off, just check if each step has 
> already been done before you do it.
>
> And unpacking the stage3 I think is the only one likely to actually hurt 
> anything if you do it again.  The others would just waste a little time is 
> all.
>
> LMP
>

[gentoo-user] doing gentoo install disrupted

[Jude DaShiell]

I got down to emerge-webrsync and discovered an error in portage/make.conf
on line 21 non-existent server then emerge-webrsync tried to get a time
stamp and then speakup died.
I have a single ssd slot in this machine and may be able to attach the
gentoo ssd to the computer by usb so I can recover contents of my
make.conf file and find out what happened in there.  It will be a long way
back to chroot before I can try this again and that's not happening today
due to space weather.  The computer will be off until tomorrow and
disconnected.

[gentoo-user] install bug

[Jude DaShiell]

install-amd64-minimal-20220403T220339Z.iso when gentoo-nofb got used for
kernel selection and speakup.synth=soft as boot parameter I got as far as
setting a root password then speakup crashed.  The other thing I didn't
see that happened was two returns were needed to get speakup talking at
all once the boot line got keyed in.  I'll try the standard gentoo kernel
next and see if I can duplicate behavior.

Re: [gentoo-user] a11y kernel build

[Jude DaShiell]

#a11y is an accessibility hash tag you may run across on the internet.
That covers assistive technologies like screen readers; refreshable
braille displays, magnifiers, and similar other technologies I've been
fortunate to have never needed to use for work on technology.
The information you provided I think will help my next gentoo install go
better in the kernel build phase thanks.


On Wed, 6 Apr 2022, Jack wrote:

> On 2022.04.06 14:51, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >I'm curious, with a system about to build a kernel does a command or
> >command switch exist to tell the kernel build process to build the kernel
> >in such a way that all hardware now enabled gets enabled in the build of
> >the kernel?
> Which pieces get built into the kernel (or as loadable modules) is controlled
> by .config.  To get the new kernel to include all the drivers/modules enabled
> in the current kernel, you can "zcat /proc/config.gz > .config" in the new
> /usr/src/linux.  (That does assume the running kernel is built with the
> parameters to create /proc/config.gz.)  Then run "make oldconfig" (or one of
> it's variants) to include new lines to .config.  To see (a subset) of those
> modules are actually used by existing hardware, do "lspci -k".  I don't know
> of any script to automatically parse that output, although I wouldn't be
> surprised if there was one (or more.)  Note hat probably won't include modules
> used for usb devices, just the usb hubs.  Currently loaded modules can be
> listed with lsmod, but that doesn't include anything built in.
>
> Is a11y a typo, or just something I don't understand?  If you mean to say (all
> Y) Y to all kernel config questions, I believe there is a make option for the
> kernel which will do that - but I'd have to read the docs for the details.
> Also, while that's of use for a distro kernel (where you have no idea what
> will be in PCs where it gets used) it will add lots of stuff to the kernel
> that you are unlikely to ever use.  What is your actual goal?
>
> Jack
>
>

[gentoo-user] a11y kernel build

[Jude DaShiell]

I'm curious, with a system about to build a kernel does a command or
command switch exist to tell the kernel build process to build the kernel
in such a way that all hardware now enabled gets enabled in the build of
the kernel?

Re: [gentoo-user] chromium will not go on the internet anymore

[Jude DaShiell]

Move onto the newer version and keep the earlier version number handy so
if the newer version breaks especially in the same way you have a backout.


On Sat, 2 Oct 2021, John Covici wrote:

> Hi.  I have discovered that www-client/chromium-95.0.4621.4 will not
> go to any internet webpage.
>
> When I use it, it always says page not responsive and gives me wait or
> exit buttons.  Firefox works fine.I ran it in a terminal and got
> all kinds of errors and my logs have a couple of seg faults.  I am
> using gnome.
>
> There is a newer version, so maybe I should just compile that one or
> maybe go backwards to an earlier version.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] gnome-base/gdm-40.0 does not run

[Jude DaShiell]

I have read over on the orca-list one way to get gnome 40.0 working on
fedora 34 workstations is to disable se-linux.  Was se-linux installed and
enabled on gentoo?  If so, disabling and/or removing se-linux may be your
key to accessibility.



On Fri, 7 May 2021, John Covici wrote:

> Hi.  I just updated world and got gdm-40.0 but it does not start.
> There seem to be a lot of errors about operation not permitted and it
> dies right away.  Downgrading to 3l.36.4-r1 works fine.
>
> Anyone else seeing this?
>
> I have the complete log saved  here
>
> https://covici.com/owncloud/index.php/s/pmGwMzDCiQbnLrF
>
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo system suddenly failed to boot.

[Jude DaShiell]

Check the date and time when you boot and if it isn't correct, you 
probably have a dead battery on your motherboard.  I had to replace one a 
couple days ago.  Fortunately the kind of battery my computer uses is sold 
in pharmacies since blood sugar meters also use them.


 On Mon, 15 Feb 2021, gevisz wrote:


Yesterday, my relatively new install of Gentoo failed to boot with the
following repeated messages:

ata5.04: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 0)
ata5.04: hard resetting link
ata5.04: failed to resume link (SStatus 0 Scontrol 0)

My first thought was that something is wrong with my old IDE (ATA)
drive. (The Gentoo system partition was on /dev/sda5.)

Nevertheless, I was able to boot from a flash drive with a live Gentoo
CD and chroot into the Gentoo system partition of my IDE drive.

So, I formatted a new SATA drive according to instructions given in
Gentoo AMD64 Handbook, rsynced the corresponding IDE system partition
into it by the following command:

rsync -qaHAXS source_dir target_dir

made the necessary changes to the corresponding fstab file, chrooted
into the new system SATA partition, recompiled grub and installed it
on the new disk.

After all that I was able to boot the Gentoo system from the new
partition. However, the booting process went as slow as hell, and at
the end Xorg server failed to start.

My next guess was that something went wrong with the last kernel I
used to boot. So, I tried to boot using the previous kernel.

However, this time the booting failed with almost the same messages as above:

ata5.03: failed to resume link (SStatus 0 SControl 0)
ata5.03: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 0)
ata5.03: hard resetting link
ata6.04: failed to resume link (SStatus 0 SControl 0)

(Now, my new Gentoo system partition is on /dev/sdb2.)

Shall I try to do something to fix it before reinstalling Gentoo anew?

For example, I thought of booting with a live Gentoo flash drive,
chrooting into the new system partition and recompiling @system.
However, if it is not some package that is corrupted, it may be a waste of time.
Or, maybe, @system may be narrowed to just a few packages needed at boot time?
Shall I try to recreate initramfs, what in my case means re-emerging
gentoo-kernel package?
What do you think?

P.S. Nevertheless, I still can successfully boot my very old legacy
system from another partition of my IDE drive.

Re: [gentoo-user] override PYTHON_TARGETS to avoid a slot collision

[Jude DaShiell]

Python is every bit as much trouble in gentoo as it is in the Florida
swamps.  Python is so much trouble the History Channel has a Swamp
People program they're showing regularly on TV.

Could the post-install section of the handbook do with some good
updates?

On Sat, 19 Dec 2020, Michael wrote:

> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 06:51:18
> From: Michael 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] override PYTHON_TARGETS to avoid a slot collision
>
> On Saturday, 19 December 2020 11:37:31 GMT Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 12:33:10 +0100, n952162 wrote:
> > > I do an emerge @world, it tells me I have slot collisions and stops.
> > > Following Neil B.'s advice, I try to go through the collisions and see
> > > what the differences are.  jinja was a nice example, because there was a
> > > collision of the same package with itself!  The only difference was the
> > > PYTHON_TARGET.  I hoped someone could explain how I could force
> > > equivalency in that simple case.
> >
> > You need to follow the trail back further. If portage wants to install
> > two variants of jnja, look to see what is requiring them, that is most
> > likely where the real solution lies.
>
> 'emerge --tree -uNDpv @system' or '@world', will also show the respective
> dependency tree of any packages portage is trying to update.  If an older
> version of jinja is being dragged in by a non-system package, you can
> temporarily uninstall that package and make a note of it to re-install it
> later if you need/want to.

-- 

Re: [gentoo-user] Gobbledegook error message from emerge.

[Jude DaShiell]

I doubt goblins wrote any part of gentoo, from what Neil wrote me
earlier if memory serves the language is actually Portagese.

On Sat, 12 Dec 2020, Alan Mackenzie wrote:

> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 09:22:40
> From: Alan Mackenzie 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gobbledegook error message from emerge.
>
> Hello, Neil.
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 21:05:48 +, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 18:08:55 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>
> > > I got back a horrendously long list of packages to merge (most of them
> > > re-merges), followed by:
>
> > > emerge: there are no ebuilds built with USE flags to satisfy
> > > "dev-python/pycparser[python_targets_python3_6(-)?,python_targets_python3_7(-)?,python_targets_python3_8(-)?,python_targets_python3_9(-)?,-python_single_target_python3_6(-),-python_single_target_python3_7(-),-python_single_target_python3_8(-),-python_single_target_python3_9(-)]".
> > > !!! One of the following packages is required to complete your request:
> > > - dev-python/pycparser-2.20-r1::gentoo (Change USE:
> > > +python_targets_python3_7)
> > > - dev-python/cffi-1.14.0-r3::gentoo (Change USE:
> > > -python_targets_python3_7) (dependency required by
>
> > A required package is just a dependency. If package A depends on package
> > B then package B is required is you have A installed.
>
> OK.  I can now see that "dependency required by" just means "is a
> dependency of".  Dependency is a relationship; it is not a thing.
>
> > > "dev-python/cffi-1.14.0-r3::gentoo" [ebuild]) (dependency required by
> > > "dev-python/bcrypt-3.2.0::gentoo" [installed]) (dependency required by
> > > "dev-python/paramiko-2.7.1::gentoo" [installed]) (dependency required
> > > by "dev-vcs/bzr-2.7.0::gentoo" [installed])
>
> > This is part of the python cleanup/upgrade already discussed at length on
> > this list over the past week, so the answers are already available.
>
> Yes, sorry.  I've not been keeping up with the list as assiduously as I
> might.
>
> > You have had some useful replies already but one thing I noticed it
> > that this is brought about by bzr, which is no longer in portage.
> > Unless you have it installed from an overlay for a particular need of
> > yours, you should let it be depcleaned.
>
> Yes, bazaar was indeed the sticking point.  It's been unmaintained for
> quite a few years, and is written in python.  I just unmerged it, then
> the mega-merge went ahead without problems (though I excluded
> libreoffice from that merge, for now).
>
> I still amn't happy about the error message I got.  But I'm not unhappy
> enough about it to invest the time needed to get up to speed on portage
> and submit patches.  :-(
>
> Anyhow, thanks for the tip!
>
> > --
> > Neil Bothwick
>
> > A TRUE Klingon warrior does not comment his code!
>
>

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[gentoo-user] gentoo and kickstart files

[Jude DaShiell]

Does gentoo know about kickstart files and can it use them?



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Re: [gentoo-user] python2 really really really gone? Scripts all broken?

[Jude DaShiell]

My advice is to keep tabs on python2.7 libraries and their conversion to
python 3 and when 100% of those libraries have been converted the old
scripts may be easier to convert using existing python tools.  The sed
editor may get you part of the way through conversion but missing python
3 libraries could stop progress if such libraries are needed.

On Sun, 15 Nov 2020, n952162 wrote:

> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 16:03:27
> From: n952162 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] python2 really really really gone? Scripts all
> broken?
>
> On 11/15/20 2:39 PM, n952162 wrote:
> > Suddenly, there's no python2 on my system, anywhere.  Is that
> > intentional?
> >
> >
> >
>
> All in all, I'd say I got a lot of good feedback.
>
>
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] python2 really really really gone? Scripts all broken?

[Jude DaShiell]

On Sun, 15 Nov 2020, Rich Freeman wrote:

> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 09:32:37
> From: Rich Freeman 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] python2 really really really gone? Scripts all
> broken?
>
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 9:03 AM n952162  wrote:
> >
> > I'm trying to think of another language that just tossed it's whole body of 
> > legacy code out the window ... okay Microsoft word does that to its 
> > user-base regularly, it's true...
> >
>
> I'm sure MS has done it, but they're not really a good example to
> pick.  MS actually has a really strong history of planned software
> lifecycles, and their core stuff has incredibly long support
> schedules.  I'm not sure how the evergreen Win10 strategy has impacted
> things, but historically on OSes MS's policy is that they will
> security support an OS for 10 years after obsolescence (not
> introduction).  Windows XP was supported until 2014.
>
> The complaints about end-of-support for MS are usually the result of
> the fact that those timelines are so incredibly long.  People just
> take for granted that their stuff will be around forever and deploy
> software without any thought to how OS changes will work, lay off the
> entire development team a few years later, and then after half a
> decade scratch their heads about what they're going to do since nobody
> has any idea how to fix it and the end-of-life that was known to the
> day a full decade prior has arrived.
>
> If you're using technology you should be aware that basically all
> software has some kind of lifecycle policy.  If it isn't written down,
> then you should assume that the policy is that it will stop working
> without any promises or warning.
>
> If you're willing to just keep migrating to the latest and greatest
> then you don't have to worry about it so much.  However, if you like
> to keep using the same stuff and manage your changes, then you need to
> plan around this stuff.
>
> You could always use a distro like RHEL that has a distro-level
> support policy.  They would probably backport security fixes and such
> for anything they're distributing where they're promised.  When you
> buy into an OS with more formal support processes one of the things
> you're buying into is defined timelines that you can plan your own
> work around.  That doesn't necessarily mean that those timelines will
> be as long as you want them to be - they're just written down.
>
The sed editor might be helpful doing migrations from python 2.7 into
python 3.  This would need a sed expert knowing both flavors of python to
write those scripts though and I don't know if any of that was already
done.

>

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Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo handbook

[Jude DaShiell]

Totally blind people without technical support equipped with working
eyes do not have and never will have useable access to any mo bo menu.

On Sun, 15 Nov 2020, Michael wrote:
That is my situation for the rest of this life.

> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 07:45:17
> From: Michael 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo handbook
>
> On Saturday, 14 November 2020 18:48:57 GMT Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > On 2020-11-14, Jude DaShiell  wrote:
> > > On Sat, 14 Nov 2020, Grant Edwards wrote:
> > >> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 17:30:51
> > >> From: Grant Edwards 
> > >> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> > >> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> > >> Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo handbook
> > >>
> > >> On 2020-11-14, Jude DaShiell  wrote:
> > >> > # eselect profile show
> > >>>
> > >>> during a new install is what you run to find what distribution
> > >>> your distribution iso uses.
> > >>>
> > >>> Also you will do best to select a matching profile for first time
> > >>> installation.
> > >>
> > >> I don't understand what you mean above.  What is a "distribution
> > >> ISO"?
> > >
> > > In your case it probably starts with install-minimal and you got it
> > > off the gentoo downloads page.
> >
> > I've installed Gentoo using variety of distros: systemrescuecd,
> > Ubuntu, install-minimal, etc.  I never noticed that it mattered what
> > init system was in use during the install.
>
> Same here.  I even used to cook my own systemrescuecd to include some wireless
> and video firmwares to suit different MoBos.  Booting and installing in UEFI
> Vs Legacy BIOS boils down to selecting any Linux LiveISO suitable for UEFI
> booting and in the MoBo's UEFI GUI menu setting the boot mode to EFI or Legacy
> BIOS.
>
> During installation you should download the appropriate stage3 tarball[1] to
> correspond to the desired Gentoo profile[2].  Choosing a profile after you
> chroot is part of the installation steps.  If you decide to switch profile
> later on it is usually easy (except for no-multilib), but be prepared for some
> reconfiguring of your compile options and rebuilding of your @world set.
>
> [1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/
> Stage#Choosing_a_stage_tarball
>
> [2] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/
> Base#Choosing_the_right_profile
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo handbook

[Jude DaShiell]

On Sat, 14 Nov 2020, Grant Edwards wrote:

> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 17:30:51
> From: Grant Edwards 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo handbook
>
> On 2020-11-14, Jude DaShiell  wrote:
> > # eselect profile show
>
> > during a new install is what you run to find what distribution your
> > distribution iso uses.
> >
> > Also you will do best to select a matching profile for first time
> > installation.
>
> I don't understand what you mean above.  What is a "distribution ISO"?
In your case it probably starts with install-minimal and you got it off
the gentoo downloads page.

>
>

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[gentoo-user] gentoo handbook

[Jude DaShiell]

I found this out by means of documentation in the handbook pointing at it
but not being explicit about it.
# eselect profile show
during a new install is what you run to find what distribution your
distribution iso uses.
Also you will do best to select a matching profile for first time
installation.
The handbook danced around that second point.

Probably the cause for me running into so much difficulty converting from
openrc to systemd is there is no path for systems using systemd unless
they're using uefi and going multi-user also, I tried doing the conversion
during installation and not as a post-install job.
If such is the case, perhaps systemd article ought to be categorized as a
post-install option for those with uefi either running or able to run on
their equipment.
More later as I figure it out.



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[gentoo-user] openrc install possible systemd too complex

[Jude DaShiell]

This was even following the steps in that systemd gentoo wiki article.
I'm glad I tried it since if I hadn't I'd never know.



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Re: [gentoo-user] systemd install attempt busybox and pam are fighting

[Jude DaShiell]

Thanks,

Now I got me a slot conflict.  That's the first time I ever ran into one
of those but I suppose they're a gentoo feature.

On Fri, 13 Nov 2020, Neil Bothwick wrote:

> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 18:28:32
> From: Neil Bothwick 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] systemd install attempt busybox and pam are
> fighting
>
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 17:40:43 -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > !!! The ebuild selected to satisfy "sys-apps/busybox" has unmet
> > requirements.
> > - sys-apps/busybox-1.32.0-r1::gentoo USE="ipv6 pam static systemd
> > -debug -livecd -make-symlinks -math -mdev -savedconfig (-selinux)
> > -sep-usr -syslog" ABI_X86="(64)"
> >
> >   The following REQUIRED_USE flag constraints are unsatisfied:
> > pam? ( !static )
>
> It means that if you have the pam USE flag set, the static flag must be
> unset. You can have one or the other, or neither, but not both.
>
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] systemd install attempt busybox and pam are fighting

[Jude DaShiell]

I think I like neither, makes use flags a little shorter.

I know what I've done in make.conf it's the rest of the system I need to
research.

On Fri, 13 Nov 2020, Neil Bothwick wrote:

> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 18:28:32
> From: Neil Bothwick 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] systemd install attempt busybox and pam are
> fighting
>
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 17:40:43 -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > !!! The ebuild selected to satisfy "sys-apps/busybox" has unmet
> > requirements.
> > - sys-apps/busybox-1.32.0-r1::gentoo USE="ipv6 pam static systemd
> > -debug -livecd -make-symlinks -math -mdev -savedconfig (-selinux)
> > -sep-usr -syslog" ABI_X86="(64)"
> >
> >   The following REQUIRED_USE flag constraints are unsatisfied:
> > pam? ( !static )
>
> It means that if you have the pam USE flag set, the static flag must be
> unset. You can have one or the other, or neither, but not both.
>
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] systemd install attempt busybox and pam are fighting

[Jude DaShiell]

Thanks for the decode, I hope I'll get better at understanding this kind
of error output in future.

On Fri, 13 Nov 2020, Neil Bothwick wrote:

> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 18:28:32
> From: Neil Bothwick 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] systemd install attempt busybox and pam are
> fighting
>
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 17:40:43 -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > !!! The ebuild selected to satisfy "sys-apps/busybox" has unmet
> > requirements.
> > - sys-apps/busybox-1.32.0-r1::gentoo USE="ipv6 pam static systemd
> > -debug -livecd -make-symlinks -math -mdev -savedconfig (-selinux)
> > -sep-usr -syslog" ABI_X86="(64)"
> >
> >   The following REQUIRED_USE flag constraints are unsatisfied:
> > pam? ( !static )
>
> It means that if you have the pam USE flag set, the static flag must be
> unset. You can have one or the other, or neither, but not both.
>
>
>

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[gentoo-user] systemd install attempt busybox and pam are fighting

[Jude DaShiell]

What can I do to clear this conflict?

Script started on 2020-11-13 17:35:37-05:00 [TERM="linux" TTY="/dev/tty1" 
COLUMNS="128" LINES="48"]
livecd /etc # emerge -AabDN @world

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies

!!! Problem resolving dependencies for sys-apps/busybox from @system
... done!

!!! The ebuild selected to satisfy "sys-apps/busybox" has unmet requirements.
- sys-apps/busybox-1.32.0-r1::gentoo USE="ipv6 pam static systemd -debug 
-livecd -make-symlinks -math -mdev -savedconfig (-selinux) -sep-usr -syslog" 
ABI_X86="(64)"

  The following REQUIRED_USE flag constraints are unsatisfied:
pam? ( !static )

(dependency required by "@system" [set])
(dependency required by "@world" [argument])
livecd /etc # cat /etc/portage/make.conf
# These settings were set by the catalyst build script that automatically
# built this stage.
# Please consult /usr/share/portage/config/make.conf.example for a more
# detailed example.
COMMON_FLAGS="-O2 -pipe"
CFLAGS="${COMMON_FLAGS}"
CXXFLAGS="${COMMON_FLAGS}"
FCFLAGS="${COMMON_FLAGS}"
FFLAGS="${COMMON_FLAGS}"

# NOTE: This stage was built with the bindist Use flag enabled
PORTDIR="/var/db/repos/gentoo"
DISTDIR="/var/cache/distfiles"
PKGDIR="/var/cache/binpkgs"

# This sets the language of build output to English.
# Please keep this setting intact when reporting bugs.
LC_MESSAGES=C
ACCEPT_LICENSE="* -@EULA"
USE="mmx sse sse2 accessibility acl apparmor audit build cgroup-hybrid 
cryptsetup curl dns-over-tls elfutils gcrypt homed http hwdb idn importd kmod 
lz4 lzma nat pam pcre pkcs policykit pwquality qrcode repart resolvconf seccomp 
selinux static-libs sysv-utils systemd test vanilla xkb zstd -qt3 -qt4 gtk3 
nsplugin -kerberos flac ogg -pulseaudio -consolekit systemd -libav -wayland"
GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://gentoo.mirrors.easynews.com/linux/gentoo/ 
http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/gentoo rsync://rsync.gtlib.gatech.edu/gentoo 
https://gentoo.osuosl.org/ http://gentoo.osuosl.org/ 
http://gentoo.mirrors.pair.com/ https://mirrors.rit.edu/gentoo/ 
http://mirrors.rit.edu/gentoo/ ftp://mirrors.rit.edu/gentoo/ 
rsync://mirrors.rit.edu/gentoo/ http://gentoo.mirrors.tds.net/gentoo 
http://gentoo.cs.utah.edu/;
CPU_FLAGS_X86="aes avx f16c fma3 fma4 mmx mmxext pclmul popcnt sse sse2 sse3 
sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 xop"
PHP_TARGETS="php7-4 php7-3"
EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--ask --color=n --verbose --nospinner --quiet-build=n 
--backtrack=200"
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86 ~amd64"
PORT_LOGDIR="/var/log/portage"
portage_ELOG_SYSTEM="save  save_summary"
VIDEO_CARDS="nouveau"
MAILMAN_MAILGID=2
FEATURES="${FEATURES} -stricter -distcc -ccache splitdebug buildpkg "
PORTDIR_OVERLAY=/usr/local/portage
GCPAN_OVERLAY=/usr/local/portage
PHP_INI_VERSION="production"
GCC_COLORS=""

livecd /etc # exit
exit

Script done on 2020-11-13 17:36:19-05:00 [COMMAND_EXIT_CODE="0"]

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[gentoo-user] portage configuration saves the day!

[Jude DaShiell]

I did some portage configuration and the kernel configuration items that
are missing got saved in that log file!



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[gentoo-user] emerge warnings or errors

[Jude DaShiell]

About 6 different complaints about my kernel configuration that blew off
the screen as packages were being emerged.  Does any way exist to have
emerge write these to a log file of some sort for later checking and
action?



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Re: [gentoo-user] use flag nocd

[Jude DaShiell]

Thanks, that would make sense and it is a scenario I had not encountered
before.

On Sat, 7 Nov 2020, phredus wrote:

> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2020 08:36:10
> From: phredus 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] use flag nocd
>
> I remember in the olden days when we worked with smaller hard drives, during 
> installation you would be given the choice to install all the files on the CD 
> (meaning the program and the data) or just the files needed to run the 
> program. Later have to insert the CD to access the rest of the data. MS 
> Flight Sim did that with its multiple (7 CDs I believe) data worth of world 
> scenery. Maybe that is what it is referring to.
>
>
> > On Nov 7, 2020, at 5:28 AM, Jude DaShiell  wrote:
> >
> > Hi, I read the description already and the description has me puzzled.
> >
> > On Sat, 7 Nov 2020, phredus wrote:
> >
> >> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2020 07:35:52
> >> From: phredus 
> >> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> >> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> >> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] use flag nocd
> >>
> >> nocd   Install all files required to run the application without a CD 
> >> mounted.
> >>
> >> Here is the whole list:
> >>
> >> https://gentoo.org/support/use-flags/ 
> >> <https://gentoo.org/support/use-flags/>
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Nov 7, 2020, at 4:31 AM, Jude DaShiell  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> What does it enable and what does it disable?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> United States has 633 Billionaires with only 10 doing any annual
> >>> significant giving.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > United States has 633 Billionaires with only 10 doing any annual
> > significant giving.
> >
> >
>
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] use flag nocd

[Jude DaShiell]

No particular package just yet.  The most I could figure is for other
packages that require a CD be available if one isn't for whatever reason
you'll be able to at least start the package to check its capabilities.
I hope that's all this flag does.

On Sat, 7 Nov 2020, Neil Bothwick wrote:

> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2020 10:17:08
> From: Neil Bothwick 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] use flag nocd
>
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2020 08:28:44 -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > Hi, I read the description already and the description has me puzzled.
>
> The exact effect of a USE flag can depend on the package using it. On
> which package are you considering it?
>
> >
> > On Sat, 7 Nov 2020, phredus wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2020 07:35:52
> > > From: phredus 
> > > Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> > > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> > > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] use flag nocd
> > >
> > > nocd  Install all files required to run the application without
> > > a CD mounted.
> > >
> > > Here is the whole list:
> > >
> > > https://gentoo.org/support/use-flags/
> > > <https://gentoo.org/support/use-flags/>
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Nov 7, 2020, at 4:31 AM, Jude DaShiell 
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What does it enable and what does it disable?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > United States has 633 Billionaires with only 10 doing any annual
> > > > significant giving.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] use flag nocd

[Jude DaShiell]

Hi, I read the description already and the description has me puzzled.

On Sat, 7 Nov 2020, phredus wrote:

> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2020 07:35:52
> From: phredus 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] use flag nocd
>
> nocd  Install all files required to run the application without a CD mounted.
>
> Here is the whole list:
>
> https://gentoo.org/support/use-flags/ <https://gentoo.org/support/use-flags/>
>
> Cheers
>
>
> > On Nov 7, 2020, at 4:31 AM, Jude DaShiell  wrote:
> >
> > What does it enable and what does it disable?
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > United States has 633 Billionaires with only 10 doing any annual
> > significant giving.
> >
> >
>
>

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[gentoo-user] use flag nocd

[Jude DaShiell]

What does it enable and what does it disable?



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Re: [gentoo-user] kergen package

[Jude DaShiell]

kergen can be emerged.  A search for gentoo post-install uncovered a web
page on which it was mentioned.
Depending on command line options chosen you could build a kernel with
kergen but I don't know if it would be accessible once built.  The
package doesn't appear to take into account gentoo boot parameters if
gentoo stores those parameters in any variable.

On Fri, 6 Nov 2020, John Covici wrote:

> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2020 11:01:41
> From: John Covici 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] kergen package
>
>
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2020 10:25:11 -0500,
> Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >
> > It appears helpful in adding options to my .config file.  However once
> > options are added, it's very difficult to enable espeak.  So is my order
> > of operations in which kergen gets run first followed by make menuconfig
> > wrong?  If so I can reverse and see if that works better.  Another
> > possibility is for those would-be screen reader installers kergen should
> > not be used at all.
> There are two main ways to generat4e a kernel, genkernel or do the
> steps manually.  I never heard of kergen.  Genkernel is controlled by
> a .conf file, see the manpage for details.
>
>

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[gentoo-user] kergen package

[Jude DaShiell]

It appears helpful in adding options to my .config file.  However once
options are added, it's very difficult to enable espeak.  So is my order
of operations in which kergen gets run first followed by make menuconfig
wrong?  If so I can reverse and see if that works better.  Another
possibility is for those would-be screen reader installers kergen should
not be used at all.



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Re: [gentoo-user] wiki alsa article

[Jude DaShiell]

I am using espeakup and it's possible it doesn't release the alsa
device.

On Fri, 6 Nov 2020, John Covici wrote:

> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2020 08:28:04
> From: John Covici 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] wiki alsa article
>
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2020 07:21:40 -0500,
> Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone figured out how to get usb speakers playing after a boot into a
> > new gentoo system?  If so, please update that alsa article in gentoo wiki.
> > With speakup.synth=soft as boot parameter usb speakers work fine but not
> > after boot into new gentoo install.  If I do what I can, I can get the
> > 3.5mm jack speakers to work.  Use of alsamixer finds the usb speakers but
> > cannot enable them.
> >
>
> I wonder are you  using espeakup or speech dispatcher?  Maybe espeakup
> does not release the alsa device, just a guess.
>
>

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[gentoo-user] wiki alsa article

[Jude DaShiell]

Has anyone figured out how to get usb speakers playing after a boot into a
new gentoo system?  If so, please update that alsa article in gentoo wiki.
With speakup.synth=soft as boot parameter usb speakers work fine but not
after boot into new gentoo install.  If I do what I can, I can get the
3.5mm jack speakers to work.  Use of alsamixer finds the usb speakers but
cannot enable them.



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[gentoo-user] pip3 --user requirement

[Jude DaShiell]

That --user needs to be the last item on the command line when pip3 gets
run.  I tried placing it earlier than that and pip3 didn't like that much
at all.



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significant giving.

[gentoo-user] pip3 error

[Jude DaShiell]

When I try:
pip3 install fenrir-screenreader
ERROR: (Gentoo) Please run pip with the --user option to avoid breaking
python-exec

Did not have this happen in earlier python and pip versions on other
systems.
What can I do to clear this error?
If it can't be cleared, I can install this package using git.



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significant giving.

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo install speechless

[Jude DaShiell]

Apparently something is active in chroot in alsa I didn't add to the
kernel in make menuconfig since speaker-test works in chroot but not
after boot.
I have one of those snd_ac97 cards for now.  Next computer no intel
sound card.

On Thu, 22 Oct 2020, John Covici wrote:

> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 07:07:26
> From: John Covici 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo install speechless
>
> On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 05:09:53 -0400,
> Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, John Covici wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 23:18:14
> > > From: John Covici 
> > > Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> > > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> > > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo install speechless
> > >
> > > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 13:08:51 -0400,
> > > Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I got gentoo to boot and espeak although in the default run level with
> > > > speakup-soft=soft enabled in the kernel espeak is silent.  I know the
> > > > system booted since I uncommented the TUNE line in grub and also added 
> > > > in
> > > > pcspkr into the kernel so was able to do a root login and then hit
> > > > backspace and the pc speaker beeps.  I did not yet emerge alsa-utils if
> > > > such a package exists in gentoo yet.  I'll have to use the install disk
> > > > again and get to chroot /mnt/gentoo environment again and try to emerge
> > > > alsa-utils to run speaker-test.  I did hear speakers click twice during
> > > > the boot process so those probably work.
> > > > For me it takes about 2 days to do this kind of linux install with 
> > > > gentoo
> > > > and even with fedora moonshine that took less time to install and have
> > > > come up talking.
> > > > I did not go the systemd route, systemd looked lots more complex and I'm
> > > > having plenty of trouble with openrc as things stand.
> > > > More later as I find it out.  Probably good an accessibility podcast for
> > > > gentoo is never done, I think such a podcast would deter any potential
> > > > accessibility users from ever attempting an install of gentoo.
> > >
> > > Did you load the speakup-soft module during boot using /etc/modules or
> > > maybe /etc/conf.d/modules or whatever the correct name is?  This
> > > should get the module loaded and if using espeak, you execute that
> > > command, maybe in your rc.local or some convenient place and you
> > > should be good to go, provided alsa is working.  No worse than other
> > > distros.  I have speakup built into the kernel and use a hardware
> > > synth, so I am a bit better off, but you should still be able to get
> > > things going.
> > >
> > I didn't load that module yet I built it into the kernel.  Maybe this is
> > one that has to be compiled as a module then loaded in though why this
> > should differ from  your hardware module I don't know.
>
> ssh into the system and see if speakup-soft is loaded, but you need
> alsa and espeak for speech to be available.
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo install speechless

[Jude DaShiell]

On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, John Covici wrote:

> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 23:18:14
> From: John Covici 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo install speechless
>
> On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 13:08:51 -0400,
> Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >
> > I got gentoo to boot and espeak although in the default run level with
> > speakup-soft=soft enabled in the kernel espeak is silent.  I know the
> > system booted since I uncommented the TUNE line in grub and also added in
> > pcspkr into the kernel so was able to do a root login and then hit
> > backspace and the pc speaker beeps.  I did not yet emerge alsa-utils if
> > such a package exists in gentoo yet.  I'll have to use the install disk
> > again and get to chroot /mnt/gentoo environment again and try to emerge
> > alsa-utils to run speaker-test.  I did hear speakers click twice during
> > the boot process so those probably work.
> > For me it takes about 2 days to do this kind of linux install with gentoo
> > and even with fedora moonshine that took less time to install and have
> > come up talking.
> > I did not go the systemd route, systemd looked lots more complex and I'm
> > having plenty of trouble with openrc as things stand.
> > More later as I find it out.  Probably good an accessibility podcast for
> > gentoo is never done, I think such a podcast would deter any potential
> > accessibility users from ever attempting an install of gentoo.
>
> Did you load the speakup-soft module during boot using /etc/modules or
> maybe /etc/conf.d/modules or whatever the correct name is?  This
> should get the module loaded and if using espeak, you execute that
> command, maybe in your rc.local or some convenient place and you
> should be good to go, provided alsa is working.  No worse than other
> distros.  I have speakup built into the kernel and use a hardware
> synth, so I am a bit better off, but you should still be able to get
> things going.
>
I didn't load that module yet I built it into the kernel.  Maybe this is
one that has to be compiled as a module then loaded in though why this
should differ from  your hardware module I don't know.

>

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[gentoo-user] gentoo install speechless

[Jude DaShiell]

I got gentoo to boot and espeak although in the default run level with
speakup-soft=soft enabled in the kernel espeak is silent.  I know the
system booted since I uncommented the TUNE line in grub and also added in
pcspkr into the kernel so was able to do a root login and then hit
backspace and the pc speaker beeps.  I did not yet emerge alsa-utils if
such a package exists in gentoo yet.  I'll have to use the install disk
again and get to chroot /mnt/gentoo environment again and try to emerge
alsa-utils to run speaker-test.  I did hear speakers click twice during
the boot process so those probably work.
For me it takes about 2 days to do this kind of linux install with gentoo
and even with fedora moonshine that took less time to install and have
come up talking.
I did not go the systemd route, systemd looked lots more complex and I'm
having plenty of trouble with openrc as things stand.
More later as I find it out.  Probably good an accessibility podcast for
gentoo is never done, I think such a podcast would deter any potential
accessibility users from ever attempting an install of gentoo.



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Re: [gentoo-user] what's wrong with my USE= statement in /etc/portage/make.conf?

[Jude DaShiell]

On Sun, 18 Oct 2020, Ashley Dixon wrote:

> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:12:45
> From: Ashley Dixon 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] what's wrong with my USE= statement in
> /etc/portage/make.conf?
>
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 04:45:06PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > The ansifilter package won't build on this system yet.  Certainly one to
> > get in future though.
>
> I'll see if I can send you a binary off-list. It's not a particularly
> complicated package, so I reckon you should be able to run a pre-compiled
> executable without many issues.
>
> > I have a /etc/portage/package.use subdirectory containing zz-autounmask
> > file.
> > Do I need to append sys-auth/polkit elogind to the end of that
> > zz-autounmask file?
>
> If package.use is a directory, that's fine (and recommended). Every file in 
> the
> directory, and any subdirectories, contains package.use entries, all
> concatenated together by Portage when processing. If you want, you could 
> append
> the entry to zz-autounmask, but you could also do something more elegant:
>
> /etc/portage/package.use $ mkdir sys-auth
> /etc/portage/package.use $ echo "sys-auth/polkit elogind" > 
> sys-auth/polkit
>
I hope the USE variable was entirely too rich.  I shortened it
considerably and saved the make.conf file so some duplicate work can be
speeded up.  I'm taking the system to bare metal and will use the
make.conf file I have without earlier steps that are causing several
packages to compile fail.
I will be curious if I get further this next time.
More later when I discover and I'll search ansifilter on other linux
flavors since that to my mind is a seriously useful program when handling
typescript files.

>

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Re: [gentoo-user] what's wrong with my USE= statement in /etc/portage/make.conf?

[Jude DaShiell]

On Sun, 18 Oct 2020, Ashley Dixon wrote:

> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 15:42:06
> From: Ashley Dixon 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] what's wrong with my USE= statement in
> /etc/portage/make.conf?
>
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 03:06:19PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > livecd /etc/portage # emerge --ask --verbose --update 
> > --deep --newuse @world
>
> Please filter your script with `ansifilter` to remove ANSI colour control 
> codes.
> Otherwise, output is remarkably difficult to read with the majority  of  
> pagers.
> I've filtered further quotations for you.
>
> >   The following REQUIRED_USE flag constraints are unsatisfied:
> > exactly-one-of ( elogind systemd )
> >
> > (dependency required by "sys-auth/elogind-243.7::gentoo[policykit]" 
> > [ebuild])
> > (dependency required by "sys-auth/pambase-20201013::gentoo[elogind]" 
> > [ebuild])
> > (dependency required by "sys-libs/pam-1.4.0_p20200829::gentoo" [ebuild])
> > (dependency required by "sys-auth/passwdqc-1.4.0-r1::gentoo" [ebuild])
>
> This does not really indicate an error in your make.conf file; you just need  
> to
> build Polkit with EITHER the `elogind` or `systemd` flags set, but you  
> probably
> don't want to set these flags globally.  Polkit is pulled in as a dependency  
> by
> the listed packages.
>
> Unless you're using systemd, add the following to  your  `package.use`  
> listings
> and see if the issue is resolved:
>
> sys-auth/polkit elogind
>
> This restriction is defined at [1], using the built-in XOR  "^^"  operator  
> [2].
> The "exactly-one-of" terminology is used to save non-developers  the  hassle  
> of
> trudging through the on-line Development Manual to find the meaning  of  
> obscure
> notations.
>
> [1] 
> https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/sys-auth/polkit/polkit-0.118.ebuild#n18
> [2] https://devmanual.gentoo.org/ebuild-writing/variables/#required_use
>
The ansifilter package won't build on this system yet.  Certainly one to
get in future though.
I have a /etc/portage/package.use subdirectory containing zz-autounmask
file.
Do I need to append sys-auth/polkit elogind to the end of that
zz-autounmask file?

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[gentoo-user] what's wrong with my USE= statement in /etc/portage/make.conf?

[Jude DaShiell]

It produced many errors when I tried to emerge @world.

Script started on 2020-10-18 15:02:00-04:00 [TERM="linux" TTY="/dev/tty1" 
COLUMNS="80" LINES="25"]
livecd /etc/portage # cat /etc/portage/make.conf
# These settings were set by the catalyst build script that automatically
# built this stage.
# Please consult /usr/share/portage/config/make.conf.example for a more
# detailed example.
COMMON_FLAGS="--march=native -O2 -pipe"
CFLAGS="${COMMON_FLAGS}"
CXXFLAGS="${COMMON_FLAGS}"
FCFLAGS="${COMMON_FLAGS}"
FFLAGS="${COMMON_FLAGS}"
MAKEOPTS="-j9"
ACCEPTLICENSE="@EULA"
USE="a52 aac acpi accessibility alsa audiofile calendar cdda cdr crypt css 
debug dvdr espeak ffmpeg fftw flac fortran ftp git imap ipv6 mad mp3 mp4 mpeg 
mplayer mtp multilib mysql mysqli ncurses nntp ogg openal opus pcre pda pdf 
perl php pie plotutils portaudio posix postgres -pulseaudio python quicktime 
readline recode rss ruby sasl seccomp slang smp sndfile snmp sockets sound sox 
speex spell sqlite ssl static-libs subversion symlink syslog szip taglib tcl 
tcmalloc tcpd telemetry test threads tidy timidity udev udisks unicode unwind 
upnp upnp-av usb v4l vaapi vcd vdpau verify-sig videos vim-syntax vorbis 
wavpack wifi x264 xattr xml zip xv xvid zlib zstd"

# NOTE: This stage was built with the bindist Use flag enabled
PORTDIR="/var/db/repos/gentoo"
DISTDIR="/var/cache/distfiles"
PKGDIR="/var/cache/binpkgs"

# This sets the language of build output to English.
# Please keep this setting intact when reporting bugs.
LC_MESSAGES=C

GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://gentoo.mirrors.easynews.com/linux/gentoo/ 
http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/gentoo rsync://rsync.gtlib.gatech.edu/gentoo 
https://gentoo.osuosl.org/ http://gentoo.osuosl.org/ 
http://gentoo.mirrors.pair.com/ https://mirrors.rit.edu/gentoo/ 
http://mirrors.rit.edu/gentoo/ ftp://mirrors.rit.edu/gentoo/ 
rsync://mirrors.rit.edu/gentoo/ http://gentoo.mirrors.tds.net/gentoo 
http://gentoo.cs.utah.edu/;

livecd /etc/portage # emerge --ask --verbose --update 
--deep --newuse @world

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies   - / | / / \ \ | \ \ / | 
| / | - / | / / | - - - \ \ | \ \ | - \ 
\ \ |... done!

!!! The ebuild selected to satisfy 
"sys-auth/polkit" has unmet 
requirements.
- sys-auth/polkit-0.116-r1::gentoo USE="introspection 
nls pam test 
-elogind -examples 
-gtk -jit -kde 
(-selinux) -systemd" 
ABI_X86="(64)"

  The following REQUIRED_USE flag constraints are unsatisfied:
exactly-one-of ( elogind systemd )

(dependency required by 
"sys-auth/elogind-243.7::gentoo[policykit]" [ebuild])
(dependency required by 
"sys-auth/pambase-20201013::gentoo[elogind]" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "sys-libs/pam-1.4.0_p20200829::gentoo" 
[ebuild])
(dependency required by "sys-auth/passwdqc-1.4.0-r1::gentoo" 
[ebuild])
livecd /etc/portage # exit
exit

Script done on 2020-10-18 15:02:45-04:00 [COMMAND_EXIT_CODE="1"]

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Re: [gentoo-user] cannot emerge --config sys-lib/timezone-data yet

[Jude DaShiell]

Hi, I found that quote on the first line and was wondering if that was
correct format or if my fat fingers made that happen.  Apparently my fat
fingers, thanks!

On Sun, 18 Oct 2020, Todd Goodman wrote:

> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 09:23:22
> From: Todd Goodman 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] cannot emerge --config sys-lib/timezone-data yet
>
> The very first line has a single quote as the first character
>
> On 10/18/2020 9:19 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > Apparently a missing quote in /etc/portage/make.conf but I can't find
> > where that would be now.
> >
> > '# These settings were set by the catalyst build script that automatically
> > # built this stage.
> > # Please consult /usr/share/portage/config/make.conf.example for a more
> > # detailed example.
> > COMMON_FLAGS="--march=native -O2 -pipe"
> > CFLAGS="${COMMON_FLAGS}"
> > CXXFLAGS="${COMMON_FLAGS}"
> > FCFLAGS="${COMMON_FLAGS}"
> > FFLAGS="${COMMON_FLAGS}"
> > MAKEOPTS="-j9"
> > ACCEPTLICENSE="@EULA"
> > USE="x a52 aac acpi accessibility alsa audiofile calendar cdda cdr cracklib
> > crypt css dbus debug dvdr espeak ffmpeg fftw flac fortran ftp git gnome gtk
> > gui imap ipv6 mad mp3 mp4 mpeg mplayer mtp multilib mysql mysqli ncurses
> > nntp nsplugin offensive ogg openal opus pcre pda pdf perl php pie plotutils
> > policykit portaudio posix postgres -pulseaudio python qt4 qt5 quicktime
> > readline recode rss ruby sasl seccomp slang smp sndfile snmp sockets sound
> > sox speex spell sqlite ssl startup-notification static-libs subversion
> > symlink syslog szip taglib tcl tcmalloc tcpd telemetry test threads tidy
> > timidity udev udisks unicode unwind upnp upnp-av usb v4l vaapi vcd vdpau
> > verify-sig videos vim-syntax vorbis wavpack -wayland wifi wxwidgets x264
> > xattr xcomposite xemacs xml zip xv xvid zlib zstd"
> >
> > # NOTE: This stage was built with the bindist Use flag enabled
> > PORTDIR="/var/db/repos/gentoo"
> > DISTDIR="/var/cache/distfiles"
> > PKGDIR="/var/cache/binpkgs"
> >
> > # This sets the language of build output to English.
> > # Please keep this setting intact when reporting bugs.
> > LC_MESSAGES=C
> >
> > GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://gentoo.mirrors.easynews.com/linux/gentoo/
> > http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/gentoo rsync://rsync.gtlib.gatech.edu/gentoo
> > https://gentoo.osuosl.org/ http://gentoo.osuosl.org/
> > http://gentoo.mirrors.pair.com/ https://mirrors.rit.edu/gentoo/
> > http://mirrors.rit.edu/gentoo/ ftp://mirrors.rit.edu/gentoo/
> > rsync://mirrors.rit.edu/gentoo/ http://gentoo.mirrors.tds.net/gentoo
> > http://gentoo.cs.utah.edu/;
> >
> >
>
>
>

-- 

[gentoo-user] cannot emerge --config sys-lib/timezone-data yet

[Jude DaShiell]

Apparently a missing quote in /etc/portage/make.conf but I can't find
where that would be now.

'# These settings were set by the catalyst build script that automatically
# built this stage.
# Please consult /usr/share/portage/config/make.conf.example for a more
# detailed example.
COMMON_FLAGS="--march=native -O2 -pipe"
CFLAGS="${COMMON_FLAGS}"
CXXFLAGS="${COMMON_FLAGS}"
FCFLAGS="${COMMON_FLAGS}"
FFLAGS="${COMMON_FLAGS}"
MAKEOPTS="-j9"
ACCEPTLICENSE="@EULA"
USE="x a52 aac acpi accessibility alsa audiofile calendar cdda cdr cracklib 
crypt css dbus debug dvdr espeak ffmpeg fftw flac fortran ftp git gnome gtk gui 
imap ipv6 mad mp3 mp4 mpeg mplayer mtp multilib mysql mysqli ncurses nntp 
nsplugin offensive ogg openal opus pcre pda pdf perl php pie plotutils 
policykit portaudio posix postgres -pulseaudio python qt4 qt5 quicktime 
readline recode rss ruby sasl seccomp slang smp sndfile snmp sockets sound sox 
speex spell sqlite ssl startup-notification static-libs subversion symlink 
syslog szip taglib tcl tcmalloc tcpd telemetry test threads tidy timidity udev 
udisks unicode unwind upnp upnp-av usb v4l vaapi vcd vdpau verify-sig videos 
vim-syntax vorbis wavpack -wayland wifi wxwidgets x264 xattr xcomposite xemacs 
xml zip xv xvid zlib zstd"

# NOTE: This stage was built with the bindist Use flag enabled
PORTDIR="/var/db/repos/gentoo"
DISTDIR="/var/cache/distfiles"
PKGDIR="/var/cache/binpkgs"

# This sets the language of build output to English.
# Please keep this setting intact when reporting bugs.
LC_MESSAGES=C

GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://gentoo.mirrors.easynews.com/linux/gentoo/ 
http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/gentoo rsync://rsync.gtlib.gatech.edu/gentoo 
https://gentoo.osuosl.org/ http://gentoo.osuosl.org/ 
http://gentoo.mirrors.pair.com/ https://mirrors.rit.edu/gentoo/ 
http://mirrors.rit.edu/gentoo/ ftp://mirrors.rit.edu/gentoo/ 
rsync://mirrors.rit.edu/gentoo/ http://gentoo.mirrors.tds.net/gentoo 
http://gentoo.cs.utah.edu/;


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: tried desktop profile

[Jude DaShiell]

On Thu, 15 Oct 2020, Jack wrote:

> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 13:48:01
> From: Jack 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: tried desktop profile
>
> On 10/15/20 1:28 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> [snip...]
> > I just found out efi variables are not available on my new system.
> > portage is also upset.
> > !!! Repository 'x-portage is missing masters attribute in
> > '/usr/local/portage/metadata/layout.conf'
> > !!! !!! Set 'masters = gentoo' in this file for future compatibility
> >
> > I don't know what to do to clear this error.
>
> This sounds like two separate issues.  For the second, do exactly what it
> says.  You need to edit /usr/local/portage/metadata/layout.conf to say
> "masters = gentoo".  I don't remember doing this on my system, but I do have
> an emacs backup of that file without the "gentoo" on that line, so I obviously
> made the edit.  I wonder if that needs to be added to the handbook.
>
> On the other issue, what do you mean that efi variables are not available?  Is
> the system purely BIOS?  That is certainly possible if it is an older
> motherboard.  If the system does support UEFI, are you sure it is set in the
> BIOS?
>
The uefi isn't set in the bios.  I'm not about to alter bios since screen
readers don't talk when that's being done.
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: tried desktop profile

[Jude DaShiell]

On Thu, 15 Oct 2020, Walter Dnes wrote:

> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 14:00:36
> From: Walter Dnes 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: tried desktop profile
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 01:28:52PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote
>
> > I just found out efi variables are not available on my new system.
> > portage is also upset.
> > !!! Repository 'x-portage is missing masters attribute in
> > '/usr/local/portage/metadata/layout.conf'
> > !!! !!! Set 'masters = gentoo' in this file for future compatibility
> >
> > I don't know what to do to clear this error.
>
>   My /usr/local/portage/metadata/layout.conf is 2 lines...
>
> masters = gentoo
> auto-sync = false
>
>   From https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki//etc/portage/repos.conf
>
>   "auto-sync = false"
>
> ...means that your local repo does not sync when you run "emerge
> --sync".  This means if you have a local repo, you manually control when
> it syncs.  BTW, what would this have to do with efi variables?
>
The portage problem only came up close to when I found out the machine
hasn't got efi-variables.
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: tried desktop profile

[Jude DaShiell]

On Thu, 15 Oct 2020, Jack wrote:

> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 12:31:55
> From: Jack 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: tried desktop profile
>
> On 2020.10.15 00:03, Wols Lists wrote:
> >On 14/10/20 22:37, Jack wrote:
> >>Why do you need two graphics cards?  I've been driving two monitors off each
> >>of the last several graphics cards I've used - both nVidia and ATI, from
> >>simple PCI to PCIE needing the extra power connector.
> >
> >Because I'm not driving two monitors. I'm running a two-user system. AIUI,
> >each session needs its own graphics card (which could drive two monitors for
> >that user).
> >
> Now that would be an interesting project - a single instance of X, but split
> between two different users, each on a separate monitor.  I agree it's not
> feasible now, as xorg runs as the owning user.  I would expect Wayland has the
> same restriction.  Actually, I would find it interesting to have a separate
> session on each monitor just in plain text mode.
>
> Was the second graphics card you tried using also PCIE?  If so, I wonder if
> you might get it to work with a PCI card as the second graphics card.
>

I just found out efi variables are not available on my new system.
portage is also upset.
!!! Repository 'x-portage is missing masters attribute in
'/usr/local/portage/metadata/layout.conf'
!!! !!! Set 'masters = gentoo' in this file for future compatibility

I don't know what to do to clear this error.

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Re: [gentoo-user] tried desktop profile

[Jude DaShiell]

On Wed, 14 Oct 2020, antlists wrote:

> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 14:37:01
> From: antlists 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] tried desktop profile
>
> On 14/10/2020 18:38, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > Let's see, yes that was a typo, those ssd disks are each 120GB and
> > unfortunately the Alien ATX case used only has room for one of them.
> > However external ssd drives are on the market.
>
> Does your mobo support NVMe drives? Just be aware my mobo is crap in that it
> says it supports two graphics cards, NVMe, etc, but if you stick an NVMe in
> the second graphics card is disabled, or if you use both the NVMe slots you
> lose a couple of SATA ports, or whatever. Bit of a PoS in that regard.
>
> The other possibility is do you have spare 3.5 drive bays? You can get a
> converter to put 2.5 drives in them.
>
> And can you stick an expansion card in? You might want to buy a card with
> eSATA ports.

The system has loads of nvidia stuff on it and ati radeon 300/600 monitor
so it can do nouveau but I don't know if it can do more than that.  No
spare bays either so I'll have to go external.

> > Cheers,
> Wol
>
>
>

-- 

Re: [gentoo-user] tried desktop profile

[Jude DaShiell]

On Wed, 14 Oct 2020, J. Roeleveld wrote:

> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 00:23:50
> From: J. Roeleveld 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] tried desktop profile
>
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 6:52:05 PM CEST Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > Let's see if this is a correct bottom post.  I've never seen anything in
> > this life.  Eyes never developed enough for me to see.
> > The desktop profile emerge failed, and no more has been done with the old
> > machine yet.  I could change to basic profile then emerge @world then
> > emerge the basic profile @world then emerge --depclean to clear the
> > unnecessary desktop packages from the machine.  If I'm not mistaken, the
> > new machine has 8 cores on it but all the ssd disks I have for it are
> > 120MB disks so that might be a bit small for gentoo.  I'll read through
> > the hardware requirements again and make sure.
>
> I really hope you mistyped and meant those SSDs are 120GB (Gigabyte, instead
> of Megabyte)
>
> 120GB is enough. I have an older laptop with that and it runs KDE/Plasma just
> fine and even manages some games from steam.
>
> Most important is the memory requirement.
> 2GB Ram can be made to work, but if you want a desktop, you need to forget
> about the likes of KDE and Gnome and go with something that needs less memory.
>
> I have no idea how well they support accessibility tools like speakup though.
> Hope someone else with more knowledge about this can add their input.
>
> Kind regards,
Let's see, yes that was a typo, those ssd disks are each 120GB and
unfortunately the Alien ATX case used only has room for one of them.
However external ssd drives are on the market.
I figure to use mate for a desktop since mate is rated as having better
accessibility than gnome.  Now for a screen reader mate has orca
sometimes called screen-reader and fenrir can be used in mate-terminal
and on the command line outside of mate if necessary.  Fenrir if
installed is a pip install.

I found I have one available ssd drive available so am in process of
putting gentoo on that.
I can put archlinux and my podcasts on that 3tb drive on the older
machine with no problem.

> > Joost > > >
>

--

Re: [gentoo-user] tried desktop profile

[Jude DaShiell]

On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, Wols Lists wrote:

> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 12:40:23
> From: Wols Lists 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] tried desktop profile
>
> On 13/10/20 16:37, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > Since the profile without the desktop emerged @world correctly after the
> > make.conf file got adjusted correctly for this computer I think all it
> > will run will be the basic profile.  Even if it were possible to emerge
> > the compiles necessary for a desktop and get the rest of the system built
> > I'd probably run into difficulties later.  I'll do the basic profile on
> > this machine and maybe do a desktop on the newer machine at some later
> > date.
>
> No, you can add any programs you want and it'll just pull in what you need.
>
> HOWEVER, now you've fixed it for the basic profile, I'd just change that
> to the desktop profile and re-emerge, and it'll pull in all the new
> stuff to go to the desktop profile.
>
> NB - you're still putting your post below the .sig marker. If you can't
> see clearly, we accept that it's difficult, but it helps us if you can
> get it right (like with language and foreigners, there's a big
> difference between people who have difficulty doing the right thing, and
> people who can't be bothered to do the right thing ...)

Let's see if this is a correct bottom post.  I've never seen anything in
this life.  Eyes never developed enough for me to see.
The desktop profile emerge failed, and no more has been done with the old
machine yet.  I could change to basic profile then emerge @world then
emerge the basic profile @world then emerge --depclean to clear the
unnecessary desktop packages from the machine.  If I'm not mistaken, the
new machine has 8 cores on it but all the ssd disks I have for it are
120MB disks so that might be a bit small for gentoo.  I'll read through
the hardware requirements again and make sure.

> > Cheers, > Wol > >

-- 

Re: [gentoo-user] tried desktop profile

[Jude DaShiell]

On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, Michael wrote:

> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 08:04:30
> From: Michael 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] tried desktop profile
>
> On Tuesday, 13 October 2020 09:30:00 BST Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > I'm trying -j1 first.  This machine has 50% of its maximum ram capacity
> > in use and only has 2gb of ram capacity so yes this is a low memory
> > machine.  Why I'm using it at all is since it has available a 3tb hard
> > drive.  As long as /tmp directories under the $HOME directory structure
> > have better system protection than /tmpfs and /var/tmp if the -j1 build
> > fails I'll try pointing the memory to a safer place.  I need to buy some
> > decent sized ssd drives since that way I can do this on my new machine
> > with 14GB of ram.
>
> OK, your RAM is not enough to build most large packages today.  I'm thinking
> rust, chromium, gcc, firefox, libreoffice, as examples.  Most of these will
> refuse to emerge right at the start as they check for adequate /var/tmp space.
> In any case, the solution for low RAM PCs is to set up adequate space on your
> disk for those packages only.  Also to increase your swap, or add a swapfile
> just for these larger packages.
>
> Have a read at 'Example 2' here:
>
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki//etc/portage/package.env
>
> If your / fs partition has inadequate free space, you can set up /var/tmp/
> notmpfs to a different partition as long as you remember to mount it with
> 'mount -o exec' and activate any swapfile(s) in advance.
>
> If you only set up more swap and leave PORTAGE_TMPDIR on RAM, the swapping
> from your RAM to disk will inevitably incur I/O bottleneck conditions and will
> start thrashing the disk, which could slow everything down to a crawl,
> potentially for days.  Therefore, it is worth switching to BFQ scheduler when
> heavy swappage is expected:
>
> # echo bfq > /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler
>
> where sda is the disk on which the swapfile or partition is set.

-- 

Since the profile without the desktop emerged @world correctly after the
make.conf file got adjusted correctly for this computer I think all it
will run will be the basic profile.  Even if it were possible to emerge
the compiles necessary for a desktop and get the rest of the system built
I'd probably run into difficulties later.  I'll do the basic profile on
this machine and maybe do a desktop on the newer machine at some later
date.

Re: [gentoo-user] tried desktop profile

[Jude DaShiell]

On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, Andreas Fink wrote:

> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 02:28:01
> From: Andreas Fink 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] tried desktop profile
>
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 02:10:04 -0400
> Jude DaShiell  wrote:
>
> > x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-g++: fatal error: Killed signal terminated
> > program cc1plus compilation terminated.
>
> These two lines stongly suggest that you ran out of memory while
> compilation. You could try to build it with only one job (-j1),
> currently you are using -j2.
> Another option would be to buy more RAM ;)
> And last but not least, you could increase your swap memory, but be
> prepared that your system becomes unresponsive and compilation will
> probably take forever.
>
> Cheers
> Andreas
>
>

-- 

With -j1 in MAKEOPTS in make.conf, I'm coming up on 75% compiled Last
fraction I read was [1495/2082].

Re: [gentoo-user] tried desktop profile

[Jude DaShiell]

On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, Wols Lists wrote:

> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 03:54:48
> From: Wols Lists 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] tried desktop profile
>
> On 13/10/20 07:48, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 8:28:01 AM CEST Andreas Fink wrote:
> >> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 02:10:04 -0400
> >>
> >> Jude DaShiell  wrote:
> >>> x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-g++: fatal error: Killed signal terminated
> >>> program cc1plus compilation terminated.
> >>
> >> These two lines stongly suggest that you ran out of memory while
> >> compilation. You could try to build it with only one job (-j1),
> >> currently you are using -j2.
> >> Another option would be to buy more RAM ;)
> >> And last but not least, you could increase your swap memory, but be
> >> prepared that your system becomes unresponsive and compilation will
> >> probably take forever.
> >
> > One more suggestion, your PORTAGE_TMPDIR is set to "/var/tmp".
> > By default, this is a tmpfs, which means it's all kept in RAM.
>
> If that's true then somebody has ed up!
>
> /tmp is specified as "files may disappear at any time"
>
> /var/tmp is specified as "temporary storage that should survive a reboot"
>
> Okay, that's not the exact wording, but that is the effect.
> >
> > If your system is that low on RAM, you might want to change that to a
> > different location that is backed by a real disk.
> >
> The other thing about default tmpfs, is it defaults to half of ram. So
> it could actually be quite small. I explicitly set mine to be big,
> because I configure oodles of swap.
>
> Cheers,
> Wol
>
I'm trying -j1 first.  This machine has 50% of its maximum ram capacity
in use and only has 2gb of ram capacity so yes this is a low memory
machine.  Why I'm using it at all is since it has available a 3tb hard
drive.  As long as /tmp directories under the $HOME directory structure
have better system protection than /tmpfs and /var/tmp if the -j1 build
fails I'll try pointing the memory to a safer place.  I need to buy some
decent sized ssd drives since that way I can do this on my new machine
with 14GB of ram.

> >

--

[gentoo-user] tried desktop profile

[Jude DaShiell]

Doing good until lvm package emerged.  I don't use lvm so wonder if nolvm
as a boot parameter would have prevented the profile from emerging this
package.
Details below:

Portage 3.0.4 (python 3.7.8-final-0, default/linux/amd64/17.1/desktop, 
gcc-9.3.0, glibc-2.31-r6, 5.4.60-gentoo-x86_64 x86_64)
=
 System Settings
=
System uname: 
Linux-5.4.60-gentoo-x86_64-x86_64-AMD_Athlon-tm-_64_Processor_3400+-with-gentoo-2.7
KiB Mem: 1015176 total,851492 free
KiB Swap: 524284 total,436536 free
Timestamp of repository gentoo: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 00:45:01 +
Head commit of repository gentoo: c4ab0ba055e082a293ed03e869fab54fa1f965a2
sh bash 5.0_p18
ld GNU ld (Gentoo 2.34 p6) 2.34.0
app-shells/bash:  5.0_p18::gentoo
dev-lang/perl:5.30.3::gentoo
dev-lang/python:  2.7.18-r2::gentoo, 3.7.8-r2::gentoo, 3.8.5::gentoo
dev-util/cmake:   3.17.4-r1::gentoo
sys-apps/baselayout:  2.7::gentoo
sys-apps/openrc:  0.42.1::gentoo
sys-apps/sandbox: 2.18::gentoo
sys-devel/autoconf:   2.13-r1::gentoo, 2.69-r5::gentoo
sys-devel/automake:   1.16.1-r1::gentoo
sys-devel/binutils:   2.34-r2::gentoo
sys-devel/gcc:9.3.0-r1::gentoo
sys-devel/gcc-config: 2.3.1::gentoo
sys-devel/libtool:2.4.6-r6::gentoo
sys-devel/make:   4.2.1-r4::gentoo
sys-kernel/linux-headers: 5.4-r1::gentoo (virtual/os-headers)
sys-libs/glibc:   2.31-r6::gentoo
Repositories:

gentoo
location: /var/db/repos/gentoo
sync-type: rsync
sync-uri: rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage
priority: -1000
sync-rsync-verify-jobs: 1
sync-rsync-extra-opts:
sync-rsync-verify-metamanifest: yes
sync-rsync-verify-max-age: 24

ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="amd64"
ACCEPT_LICENSE="* -@EULA"
CBUILD="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
CFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe"
CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
CONFIG_PROTECT="/etc /usr/share/gnupg/qualified.txt"
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/ca-certificates.conf /etc/env.d /etc/fonts/fonts.conf 
/etc/gconf /etc/gentoo-release /etc/sandbox.d /etc/terminfo"
CXXFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe"
DISTDIR="/var/cache/distfiles"
ENV_UNSET="CARGO_HOME DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS DISPLAY GOBIN GOPATH PERL5LIB 
PERL5OPT PERLPREFIX PERL_CORE PERL_MB_OPT PERL_MM_OPT XAUTHORITY XDG_CACHE_HOME 
XDG_CONFIG_HOME XDG_DATA_HOME XDG_RUNTIME_DIR"
FCFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe"
FEATURES="assume-digests binpkg-docompress binpkg-dostrip binpkg-logs 
config-protect-if-modified distlocks ebuild-locks fixlafiles ipc-sandbox 
merge-sync multilib-strict network-sandbox news parallel-fetch pid-sandbox 
preserve-libs protect-owned qa-unresolved-soname-deps sandbox sfperms strict 
unknown-features-warn unmerge-logs unmerge-orphans userfetch userpriv 
usersandbox usersync xattr"
FFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe"
GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://gentoo.mirrors.easynews.com/linux/gentoo/ 
http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/gentoo rsync://rsync.gtlib.gatech.edu/gentoo 
https://gentoo.osuosl.org/ http://gentoo.osuosl.org/ 
http://gentoo.mirrors.pair.com/ https://mirrors.rit.edu/gentoo/ 
http://mirrors.rit.edu/gentoo/ ftp://mirrors.rit.edu/gentoo/ 
rsync://mirrors.rit.edu/gentoo/ http://gentoo.mirrors.tds.net/gentoo 
http://gentoo.cs.utah.edu/;
LANG="C.UTF8"
LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed"
MAKEOPTS="-j2"
PKGDIR="/var/cache/binpkgs"
PORTAGE_CONFIGROOT="/"
PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS="--recursive --links --safe-links --perms --times 
--omit-dir-times --compress --force --whole-file --delete --stats 
--human-readable --timeout=180 --exclude=/distfiles --exclude=/local 
--exclude=/packages --exclude=/.git"
PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
USE="X a52 aac acl acpi alsa amd64 berkdb bluetooth branding bzip2 cairo cdda 
cdr cli crypt cups dbus dri dts dvd dvdr elogind emboss encode exif flac 
fortran gdbm gif gpm gtk gui iconv icu ipv6 jpeg lcms libglvnd libnotify 
libtirpc mad mng mp3 mp4 mpeg multilib ncurses nls nptl ogg opengl openmp pam 
pango pcre pdf png policykit ppds qt5 readline sdl seccomp spell split-usr ssl 
startup-notification svg tcpd tiff truetype udev udisks unicode upower usb 
vorbis wxwidgets x264 xattr xcb xml xv xvid zlib" ABI_X86="64" 
ADA_TARGET="gnat_2018" ALSA_CARDS="ali5451 als4000 atiixp atiixp-modem bt87x 
ca0106 cmipci emu10k1x ens1370 ens1371 es1938 es1968 fm801 hda-intel intel8x0 
intel8x0m maestro3 trident usb-audio via82xx via82xx-modem ymfpci" 
APACHE2_MODULES="authn_core authz_core socache_shmcb unixd actions alias 
auth_basic authn_alias authn_anon authn_dbm authn_default authn_file authz_dbm 
authz_default authz_groupfile authz_host authz_owner authz_user autoindex cache 
cgi cgid dav dav_fs dav_l
 ock deflate dir disk_cache env expires ext_filter file_cache filter headers 
include info log_config logio mem_cache mime mime_magic negotiation rewrite 
setenvif speling status unique_id userdir usertrack vhost_alias" 

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo handbook

[Jude DaShiell]

On Mon, 12 Oct 2020, WooHyung Jeon wrote:

> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 21:30:59
> From: WooHyung Jeon 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo handbook
>
> On 2020-10-11 ?? 8:55, Dale wrote:
> > Neil Bothwick wrote:
> >> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 22:09:00 -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >>
> >>> A feature that would be useful for menuconfig would be the ability once
> >>> a search is done to jump onto the desired search item directly (if the
> >>> item were available at all).
> >> That's already there. Options that are available have a number next to
> >> them. Press that to jump to the option.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Wow!!!  O_O  I never noticed that.  It works too.  I did a search for speak
> > and saw a number next to the results and hit it, 1 in my case, and it went
> > right to it.  I'm not going to mention how many times I went digging to find
> > something in the past.  It embarrassing.  ;-)
> >
> > Now that is cool.  I just hope I remember to use it the next time. :/
> >
> > Dale
> >
> > :-)  :-)
>
>  Just watch out and read carefully where you landed on.
> It could take you to the dependent option, before the specific
> one. For example, even if you searched 'A' and select the number
> left-side of 'A', it could land on option 'B' because it must
> enabled before you can play with 'A'.
>
>  I surprised twice. First, as you did, when I first noticed I
> can select with the number, and Secondly, when I noticed it
> sometimes didn't bring me to the specified option :)
>

-- 

Didn't read about any of this in the handbook, probably some material on
inside menuconfig might be where this stuff could go.

Re: [gentoo-user] UEFI booting again

[Jude DaShiell]

In gentoo in order to make a uefi system is it necessary to use douefi as
a boot parameter when starting the install?  If so, it wasn't in the
handbook I read.  If not, my guess would be gentoo discovers this
information for itself.



--

Re: [gentoo-user] UEFI booting again

[Jude DaShiell]

If you followed the handbook /dev/sda2 would be where the boot record
lives. On Sun, 11 Oct 2020, pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote:

> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 19:21:49
> From: pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: [gentoo-user] UEFI booting again
>
> I'm still wrestling with my system and its not booting.
>
> Can anyone please tell me precisely where 'efibootmgr -c ...' writes a boot 
> record, or whatever it's called? My machine seems unable to store what I give 
> it, and I suspect that the BIOS ROM has failed. Big expense if so.
>
> TiA.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

-- 

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo handbook

[Jude DaShiell]

On Sun, 11 Oct 2020, John Covici wrote:

> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 12:52:34
> From: John Covici 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo handbook
>
> On Sun, 11 Oct 2020 07:55:46 -0400,
> Dale wrote:
> >
> > [1  ]
> > Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > > On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 22:09:00 -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > >
> > >> A feature that would be useful for menuconfig would be the ability once
> > >> a search is done to jump onto the desired search item directly (if the
> > >> item were available at all).
> > > That's already there. Options that are available have a number next to
> > > them. Press that to jump to the option.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Wow!!!  O_O  I never noticed that.  It works too.  I did a search for
> > speak and saw a number next to the results and hit it, 1 in my case, and
> > it went right to it.  I'm not going to mention how many times I went
> > digging to find something in the past.  It embarrassing.  ;-) 
> >
> > Now that is cool.  I just hope I remember to use it the next time.  :/
>
> I didn't know that either and have been doing this for years!
>
>

-- 

If nothing else at least three of us learned something useful today.
I suppose the shortest way to explain what I did extra before running make
menuconfig was to emerge espeakup.  Having done that espeakup emerged
about 35 packages many of which it likely would need.  I'm pretty sure
that step was correct, what if anything else to do after that before make
menuconfig I don't yet know.

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo handbook

[Jude DaShiell]

On Sun, 11 Oct 2020, Ashley Dixon wrote:

> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 07:30:19
> From: Ashley Dixon 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo handbook
>
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 10:09:00PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > missing lots of accessibility-related material.
> > I've installed several other versions of Linux before and got them
> > accessible using material found mostly on the internet for instructions.
> > The first one was RedHat 5.0 when that was a current distribution.
> > After that, slackware, debian, fedora ubuntu arch-linux coconut and jenux.
> > Anyone interested could do a youtube search for gentoo, and I'm pretty
> > sure you'll find I wasn't the only potential installer who ran into all
> > manner of unexpected behavior.
>
> YouTube probably isn't the  best  source  of  information  for  technical  
> Linux
> documentation.  Asking here on the mailing list is always good; the  
> appropriate
> IRC channels can be helpful, too.  Gentoo does not hold your hand and provide 
>  a
> pretty GUI for every potential option and use-case, because its range of  
> target
> consumers is far too broad.  The "all manner  of  unexpected  behaviour"  
> you're
> encountering is just the feeling of having  to  do  some  of  the  
> heavy-lifting
> yourself, which is certainly not a negative remark on Gentoo!
>
> If you have a very specific and niche issue, you can also reach out directly  
> to
> the Gentoo Accessibility  Project  in  different  forms  
> (#gentoo-accessibility;
> accessibil...@gentoo.org; gentoo-accessibil...@lists.gentoo.org) [1].
>
> > An A gentoo accessibility install podcast ought to have been available for
> > this distribution many years ago.
>
> A podcast for all accessibility use-cases in Gentoo would, once  again,  be  
> far
> too broad and help  only  a  minority  of  potentially  interested  viewers.  
>  A
> dedicated espeak(up) page on the Gentoo wiki would be  great,  however.   I  
> was
> rather surprised to see that one didn't exist.
>
> > A feature that would be useful for menuconfig would be the ability once a
> > search is done to jump onto the desired search item directly (if the item
> > were available at all).
> > Maybe that's communicated by colors, I don't know.
>
> Currently, the closest thing menuconfig provides is detailing  the  location  
> of
> the `CONFIG_` option, in relation to the  graphical  menus  one  must  
> navigate.
> Sometimes it's just easier to edit your `.config` manually;  menuconfig  can  
> be
> terribly slow and cumbersome when  you're  only  searching  the  option  
> titles.
>
> [1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Accessibility
>
>

-- 

This problem needs handling by gentoo accessibility project and I'll take
it their.
If this problem gets solved, I'll probably make a podcast at least for
speakup and maybe orca if I get that installed and working.  It won't be
of much use to gentoo, but the blinux-list may find it of interest.

Re: [gentoo-user]

[Jude DaShiell]

On Sun, 11 Oct 2020, John Covici wrote:

> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 00:09:16
> From: John Covici 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user]
>
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 19:49:54 -0400,
> Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 13:34:43
> > > From: Neil Bothwick 
> > > Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> > > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> > > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user]
> > >
> > > On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 10:00:04 -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > >
> > > > I did make menuconf in /usr/src/linux and in devices->staging drivers I
> > > > found nothing to enable.  Speakup got moved out of staging so that's
> > > > understandable.  in device drivers->accessibility all I found was enable
> > > > app-accessibility which I turned on.  Is speakup.synth=soft stored in
> > > > the runtime driver for espeak now?
> > >
> > > Press / in menuconf to search for options. This also shows options that
> > > are currently unavailable, and what you need to enable to get at them.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > A search through options made no mention of anything connected to
> > accessibility.  Trying to install a different kernel source has everything
> > masked.  I'll read up on masking next, but it's looking like I'm going to
> > have to erase everything back to the get stage3 step again and get a less
> > current stage3 to get anything installed at all.
>
> You don't need to do that, you can unmask anything depending on the
> reason.  Didn't the autounmask  option fix your problem?
>
> You can also use the 5.4.66 stable version.
> Also, even in 5.8.13 speakup is still in staging and I did a search
> and found it in  drivers/staging/speakup, so you can certainly try
> that or whatever version of 5.8 you have.
>
>

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The unmasking fixed nothing on this end.
I probably download the wrong set of files.  Current isn't stated in the
file names though it is on directory paths.  It might help as a check to
put stable or current in as part of the file names in future.  I've
cleaned the hard drive of gentoo and will start over if I can figure how
to do it correctly.

[gentoo-user] one other possibility

[Jude DaShiell]

It could be gentoo-nofb can't run accessibility if it's one of the kernels
not already on the install-minimal cd.  Why this may be the case I don't
know that's above my pay grade.  I'll check that out and find out what I
can find out.  If I manage to get it installed and working I'll let you
know.


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[gentoo-user] gentoo handbook

[Jude DaShiell]

missing lots of accessibility-related material.
I've installed several other versions of Linux before and got them
accessible using material found mostly on the internet for instructions.
The first one was RedHat 5.0 when that was a current distribution.
After that, slackware, debian, fedora ubuntu arch-linux coconut and jenux.
Anyone interested could do a youtube search for gentoo, and I'm pretty
sure you'll find I wasn't the only potential installer who ran into all
manner of unexpected behavior.
An A gentoo accessibility install podcast ought to have been available for
this distribution many years ago.

A feature that would be useful for menuconfig would be the ability once a
search is done to jump onto the desired search item directly (if the item
were available at all).
Maybe that's communicated by colors, I don't know.


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Re: [gentoo-user] kernel-5.4.69

[Jude DaShiell]

I got 5.4.66 sources installed and then did:
emerge --unmerge espeakup espeak portaudio
emerge espeakup espeak portaudio
One of the messages stated config_speakup and config_speakup-synth_soft
options are not configured in this kernel and those would have to be set
correctly to avoid unexpected behavior.

At this point I'm curious what file is used to store these options since
it may be necessary to edit that file directly with nano and dump this
menuconfig.

On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, John Covici wrote:

> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 13:52:06
> From: John Covici 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] kernel-5.4.69
>
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 13:36:26 -0400,
> Neil Bothwick wrote:
> >
> > [1  ]
> > On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 13:20:09 -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >
> > > How can I emerge the sources for this version of the kernel?  I think
> > > John suggested 5.4.69.
> >
> > emerge -1a gentoo-sources:5.4.69
> >
> > You need to be running ~arch for this, or have gentoo-sources in
> > package.accept_keywords, 5.4.66 is the latest in stable.
> >
> .66 is certainly OK as well, I am on the ~arch which I happen to find
> useful.
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user]

[Jude DaShiell]

On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, Neil Bothwick wrote:

> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 13:34:43
> From: Neil Bothwick 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user]
>
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 10:00:04 -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > I did make menuconf in /usr/src/linux and in devices->staging drivers I
> > found nothing to enable.  Speakup got moved out of staging so that's
> > understandable.  in device drivers->accessibility all I found was enable
> > app-accessibility which I turned on.  Is speakup.synth=soft stored in
> > the runtime driver for espeak now?
>
> Press / in menuconf to search for options. This also shows options that
> are currently unavailable, and what you need to enable to get at them.
>
>
>

-- 

A search through options made no mention of anything connected to
accessibility.  Trying to install a different kernel source has everything
masked.  I'll read up on masking next, but it's looking like I'm going to
have to erase everything back to the get stage3 step again and get a less
current stage3 to get anything installed at all.

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel-5.4.69

[Jude DaShiell]

Okay thanks.  When I tried that I got a message masked by amd64 keyword
and returned to the chroot prompt.
On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, John Covici wrote:

> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 13:49:52
> From: John Covici 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] kernel-5.4.69
>
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 13:20:09 -0400,
> Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >
> > How can I emerge the sources for this version of the kernel?  I think John
> > suggested 5.4.69.
> >
> >
>
> Just emerge =sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-5.4.69  The = sign is
> important, you can emerge any specific version in the tree this way.
>
>

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[gentoo-user] kernel-5.4.69

[Jude DaShiell]

How can I emerge the sources for this version of the kernel?  I think John
suggested 5.4.69.



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Re: [gentoo-user]

[Jude DaShiell]

On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, John Covici wrote:

> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 11:52:04
> From: John Covici 
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user]
>
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 10:00:04 -0400,
> Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, Ashley Dixon wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 08:17:07
> > > From: Ashley Dixon 
> > > Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> > > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> > > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user]
> > >
> > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 07:45:14AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > > > I didn't emerge portaudio or pulseaudio before emerging espeak so will
> > > > have to reemerge espeak to pick those USE variables up.
> > >
> > > You don't *need* portaudio or Pulse, but then you'll only be able to 
> > > create  WAV
> > > files, and not have the audio played live [1].  The developers  should  
> > > probably
> > > set one of them to be enabled by default in IUSE, since only creating WAV 
> > >  files
> > > is a very unusual use-case for a screen-reader.
> > >
> > > > Another mistake I made was emerging espeak before emerging
> > > > sys-kernel/gentoo-sources but since I'll have to reemerge, the
> > > > sys-kernel/gentoo-sources package has been emerged on the system now.  
> > > > The
> > > > right order of operations here is critical!
> > >
> > > That's quite rare for Gentoo; Portage usually takes care of  all  that  
> > > type  of
> > > thing without requiring manual  user  interaction.   The  gentoo-sources  
> > > ebuild
> > > doesn't really do much,  aside  from  calling  a  couple  of  functions  
> > > in  the
> > > `kernel-2` eclass [2, 3] to extract the  sources,  generate  the  
> > > symlinks,  and
> > > check for any potential versioning issues.
> > >
> > > Can you provide some more details? Why is the order relevant?
> > >
> > > [1] 
> > > https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/app-accessibility/espeak/espeak-1.48.04-r1.ebuild#n93
> > > [2] 
> > > https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/eclass/kernel-2.eclass#n1603
> > > [3] 
> > > https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/eclass/kernel-2.eclass#n1005
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > If you have portaudio or pulseaudio and alsa in your USE variables already
> > then espeak will pull those in and build so it can do more than make wav
> > files.  Same with speech-dispatcher for other screen readers.  I was being
> > conservative with what I put in my USE variable and added things to it as
> > I found things out.
> >
> > I did make menuconf in /usr/src/linux and in devices->staging drivers I
> > found nothing to enable.  Speakup got moved out of staging so that's
> > understandable.  in device drivers->accessibility all I found was enable
> > app-accessibility which I turned on.  Is speakup.synth=soft stored in the
> > runtime driver for espeak now?
> >
> >
> >
>
> In kernel 5.4.69 its in staging, I would suggest you get that shource
> -- no need to get the absolutely latest driver.
>
>

-- 

Nothing in staging and console braille on output device was all that was
in accessibility.
It's time for lunch, this is too difficult without it and probably will be
too difficult after lunch too.