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Re: [gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

2014-07-10 Thread List Reader
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 05:31:51PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On 10/07/2014 13:51, Stroller wrote:
  
  On Thu, 10 July 2014, at 4:11 am, List Reader gentooglel...@gmail.com 
  wrote:
  ...
  What does it mean to satisfy =dev-python/chardet-2.2.1?
 
 
  equery g =dev-python/chardet-2.2.1
 
  * Searching for chardet2.2.1 in dev-python ...
 
  * dependency graph for dev-python/chardet-2.2.1
   `--  dev-python/chardet-2.2.1  amd64 
  `--  dev-python/setuptools-2.2  (dev-python/setuptools) amd64
  [python_targets_python2_6(-)? python_targets_python2_7(-)?
  python_targets_python3_2(-)? python_targets_python3_3(-)?
  python_targets_python3_4(-)? python_targets_pypy(-)?
  -python_single_target_python2_6(-)
  -python_single_target_python2_7(-)
  -python_single_target_python3_2(-)
  -python_single_target_python3_3(-)
  -python_single_target_python3_4(-) -python_single_target_pypy(-)]
 `--  dev-lang/python-2.6.9  (=dev-lang/python-2.6.8-r3)
 M[package.mask] 
`--  dev-lang/python-2.7.6  (=dev-lang/python-2.7.5-r2)
amd64 
   `--  dev-lang/python-3.2.5-r3
   (=dev-lang/python-3.2.5-r2) amd64 
  `--  dev-lang/python-3.3.3
  (=dev-lang/python-3.3.2-r2) amd64 
 `--  dev-lang/python-3.4.1  (dev-lang/python) ~amd64 
  ? 
 
  This is getting messy, I didn't think I would need so many unstable
  packages. 
  
  I'm very confused, too. 
  
  =dev-python/chardet-2.2.1 offers to emerge just fine on my system, but when 
  I try to emerge Blender I get a similar mess to you.
  
  It seems to be related to this PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET business.
  
  I understand that PYTHON_TARGETS means build for this version of Python 
  but am not familiar with the single target part. 
  
  Perhaps someone else can explain?
 
 
 The python targets are an expanded USE which is usually set in the
 profile but can be over-ridden in make.conf. My emerge --info shows:
 
 PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET=python2_7 PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7 python3_3
 
 As I understand it, PYTHON_TARGETS lists all the available python
 versions that ebuilds may use. If an ebuild is coded to use one in the
 list, then great and the build proceeds.
 
 PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET defines the python version an ebuild must use if it
 only wants python and does not specify a version.
 
 This all applies at build time so it's not quite the same thing as
 eselect python which specifies what happens at *runtime*
 
 The best way to maintain this is to let the profile do it (which is why
 most folks don't have any of this in make.conf). You can over-ride the
 profile but then the user must maintain the list[1].
 
 If I do this:
 
 PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7 python3_3 python3_4 emerge -pv blender
 
 then I get one last error about USE=gflags for dev-cpp/glog, adding
 that to package.use makes portage happy. SO I think the OP just needs to
 add this to make.conf:
 
 PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7 python3_3 python3_4
 and then tweak package.use if necessary
 
  
  Does this mean OP should have no other version of Python on his system, but 
  3.4.x?
 
 No, it means he needs to tell portage that 3.4 is available for ebuilds
 to build against.
 Confused? Yeah. me too.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 [1] I recall a thread over a year ago where this was explained and I
 found the quote I remember:
 
 If you are running a modern system with only Python 2.7  3.2 installed,
 then you don't have to do anything. The defaults will simply fit you,
 and let you keep your system up-to-date when new Python versions are
 deployed. However, if you'd like to use another set of Python
 implementations, you will need to set PYTHON_TARGETS in your make.conf
 file appropriately.
 
 It's referenced here:
 https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-946824-start-0.html
 
 
 To be honest, I'm starting to find Gentoo is being too bloody clever for
 it's own good, introducing complexity in an effort to get portage to
 always do the right thing, whatever right may be in this context.
 
 We have this python stuff, we have subslots (together with the portage
 output from 6 months ago that no living person ever understood) and
 recently portage is starting to make weird choices for people due to the
 use of
 || ( )
 in ebuilds.
 
 
 -- 
 Alan McKinnon
 alan.mckin...@gmail.com
 
 

As I understand it, PYTHON_TARGETS lists all the available python
versions that ebuilds may use. If an ebuild is coded to use one in the
list, then great and the build proceeds.

Yes! Yes! Thank you. Thats what I thought.

This all applies at build time so it's not quite the same thing as
eselect python which specifies what happens at *runtime*

Ah! I see.

https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-946824-start-0.html;

Yeah! What he said.

No, it means he needs to tell portage that 3.4 is available for ebuilds
to build against.
Confused? Yeah. me too.

emerge =dev-lang/python-3.4 ? Why not? I've got three slots already.

SO I think the OP just needs to
add

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

2014-07-10 Thread List Reader
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 09:01:51PM +, James wrote:
 Stroller stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk writes:
 
 
  Perhaps someone else can explain?
  
  Does this mean OP should have no other version of Python on his system,
 but 3.4.x?
  
  Stroller.
 
 I believe this thread (prolly) explains what's up with the latest version
 of blender?
 
 https://bugs.funtoo.org/browse/FL-1325
 
 hth,
 James
 
 
 
 
 
 I believe this thread (prolly) explains what's up with the latest
 version
 of blender?
 
 https://bugs.funtoo.org/browse/FL-1325
 
 hth,
 James

Interesting. Thanks. That's the solution I was ariving at. I have already
~amd64'd =dev-lang/python-3.4.0. Hey! Let's go with a round four slots of
python. I can count that One hand.  




Re: [gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

2014-07-10 Thread List Reader
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 08:53:59PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On 10/07/2014 20:11, List Reader wrote:
  Okay, I see. Thank you so much. Soo so much. I thought I was going round
  the twist, or hopelesly ignorant. I couln't understand why emerge didn't 
  offer me
  --autounmask-write, so I could dispatch-conf and move on. I was having
  similar problems with media-gfx/freecad and some others, but eselecting the
  apropriate target/slot thing made it go. Okay, that's it for today. My
  eys hurt. I'll do it in the morning. you guys are great. I'm going to bed.
 
 
 Stick with it, it gets easier. Portage *does* have it's special way of
 looking at the world, but after a while it starts to make some kind of
 sense. It just doesn't happen quickly, you have to persist with the damn
 thing :-)
 
 
 -- 
 Alan McKinnon
 alan.mckin...@gmail.com
 
 
 Stick with it, it gets easier. Portage *does* have it's special way of
 looking at the world, but after a while it starts to make some kind of
 sense. It just doesn't happen quickly, you have to persist with the damn
 thing :-)

Thanks. I can't leave it alone. A gave Arch a go, but Portage is
amazing. Tormenting at times, but amazing. I can't bear it any other
way.

p.s. I can't figure out how to quote easily in mutt.



Re: [gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

2014-07-09 Thread List Reader
On Wed, Jul 09, 2014 at 01:18:27AM -0400, Dan O. wrote:
 I don't believe you pasted everything you meant to. That paste doesn't 
 show what packages would need to be emerged.
 
 -- 
 Dan Oriani
 redchops.com
 (Website forever under construction)
 
 On Wed, 9 Jul 2014, List Reader wrote:
 
  Hello again kind friends, I'm not sure how to resolve the requirements
  for merging media-gfx/blender-2.71
 
  emerge -pvf media-gfx/blender
  http://bpaste.net/show/447617/
 
  The reqired ebuilds seem to be in portage, but emerge says the're not
  available. Any insight would be grearly apreciated.
 
  Kind regards cinder
 
 
Whoops! Sorry. Here it is:

emerge -pvq =media-gfx/blender-2.71 21
http://bpaste.net/show/447758/



Re: [gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

2014-07-09 Thread List Reader
On Wed, Jul 09, 2014 at 01:18:27AM -0400, Dan O. wrote:
 I don't believe you pasted everything you meant to. That paste doesn't 
 show what packages would need to be emerged.
 
 -- 
 Dan Oriani
 redchops.com
 (Website forever under construction)
 
 On Wed, 9 Jul 2014, List Reader wrote:
 
  Hello again kind friends, I'm not sure how to resolve the requirements
  for merging media-gfx/blender-2.71
 
  emerge -pvf media-gfx/blender
  http://bpaste.net/show/447617/
 
  The reqired ebuilds seem to be in portage, but emerge says the're not
  available. Any insight would be grearly apreciated.
 
  Kind regards cinder
 
 
Whoops! Sorry, try this
emerge -pvq =media-gfx/blender-2.71 21
http://bpaste.net/show/447969/




Re: [gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

2014-07-09 Thread List Reader
On Wed, Jul 09, 2014 at 12:02:38PM +0100, Stroller wrote:
 
 On Wed, 9 July 2014, at 6:14 am, List Reader gentooglel...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hello again kind friends, I'm not sure how to resolve the requirements
  for merging media-gfx/blender-2.71
  
  emerge -pvf media-gfx/blender
  http://bpaste.net/show/447617/
 
 Please don't use pastebin sites - if your output is too long to copy and 
 paste into the body of the message, then please attach it as a plain text 
 file. If you name it output.txt then most people, with GUI mail clients, will 
 be able to read it just by double-clicking.
 
 Most pastebin services expire old pastes periodically (not to mention that 
 pastebin services are hardly profitable, and close down all the time) whereas 
 these mailing list messages are archived in multiple places and are 
 referenced for years. 
 
 If you attach these files as plain text then they'll be archived, useful to 
 other people with the same problem in the future.
 
 You have been asked this once already in the last week:
 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/user/289257#289257
 
 You are making it harder for people to help you, and it looks like you're 
 deliberately not listening to advice.
 
 Stroller. 

Sorry, first time using mutt, I didn't see the reply.
The Gentoo Wiki article on troubleshooting said to use wgetpaste,
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Troubleshooting#Collecting_Additional_Information
thats why I installed it. I'm all ears. Thank you.

Cinder


Re: [gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

2014-07-09 Thread List Reader
On Wed, Jul 09, 2014 at 12:02:38PM +0100, Stroller wrote:
 
 On Wed, 9 July 2014, at 6:14 am, List Reader gentooglel...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hello again kind friends, I'm not sure how to resolve the requirements
  for merging media-gfx/blender-2.71
  
  emerge -pvf media-gfx/blender
  http://bpaste.net/show/447617/
 
 Please don't use pastebin sites - if your output is too long to copy and 
 paste into the body of the message, then please attach it as a plain text 
 file. If you name it output.txt then most people, with GUI mail clients, will 
 be able to read it just by double-clicking.
 
 Most pastebin services expire old pastes periodically (not to mention that 
 pastebin services are hardly profitable, and close down all the time) whereas 
 these mailing list messages are archived in multiple places and are 
 referenced for years. 
 
 If you attach these files as plain text then they'll be archived, useful to 
 other people with the same problem in the future.
 
 You have been asked this once already in the last week:
 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/user/289257#289257
 
 You are making it harder for people to help you, and it looks like you're 
 deliberately not listening to advice.
 
 Stroller. 

I'm sorry. I am still learning mutt. I didn't see:
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/user/289257#289257
in my inbox. I have made a gmail account esspecialy for this list, as I
can't find any other free imap that works, and installed mutt to
interact with it, because that seems the thing to do, AND the Gentoo
Wiki says under the heading 'Collecting Additional Information'

When seeking help, it's best to come prepared. Someone volunteering
their time doesn't want to waste that time fumbling about. That's where
wgetpaste comes in handy. Make sure you have merged app-text/wgetpaste,
and then you're ready to be helped.

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Troubleshooting#Collecting_Additional_Information

I am listening

Cinder


Re: [gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

2014-07-09 Thread List Reader
On Wed, Jul 09, 2014 at 03:14:51PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On 09/07/2014 09:54, List Reader wrote:
  On Wed, Jul 09, 2014 at 01:18:27AM -0400, Dan O. wrote:
  I don't believe you pasted everything you meant to. That paste doesn't 
  show what packages would need to be emerged.
 
  -- 
  Dan Oriani
  redchops.com
  (Website forever under construction)
 
  On Wed, 9 Jul 2014, List Reader wrote:
 
  Hello again kind friends, I'm not sure how to resolve the requirements
  for merging media-gfx/blender-2.71
 
  emerge -pvf media-gfx/blender
  http://bpaste.net/show/447617/
 
  The reqired ebuilds seem to be in portage, but emerge says the're not
  available. Any insight would be grearly apreciated.
 
  Kind regards cinder
 
 
  Whoops! Sorry, try this
  emerge -pvq =media-gfx/blender-2.71 21
  http://bpaste.net/show/447969/
 
 Please stop using pastebin services. It makes it very hard to help you
 as I now have to do extra work to inline your output where it can be
 seen and make sense:
 
 The following keyword changes are necessary to proceed:
  (see package.accept_keywords in the portage(5) man page for more details)
 # required by media-gfx/blender-2.71[python_single_target_python3_4]
 # required by =media-gfx/blender-2.71 (argument)
 =dev-lang/python-3.4.1 ~amd64
 # required by =media-gfx/blender-2.71 (argument)
 =media-gfx/blender-2.71 ~amd64
 # required by media-gfx/blender-2.71
 # required by =media-gfx/blender-2.71 (argument)
 =dev-lang/python-exec-2. **
 # required by media-gfx/blender-2.71
 # required by =media-gfx/blender-2.71 (argument)
 =dev-python/requests-2.3.0 ~amd64
 # required by media-gfx/blender-2.71
 # required by =media-gfx/blender-2.71 (argument)
 =dev-python/numpy-1.8.1 ~amd64
 
 The following USE changes are necessary to proceed:
  (see package.use in the portage(5) man page for more details)
 # required by media-gfx/blender-2.71
 # required by =media-gfx/blender-2.71 (argument)
 =dev-python/requests-2.3.0 python_targets_python3_4
 # required by media-gfx/blender-2.71
 # required by =media-gfx/blender-2.71 (argument)
 =dev-python/numpy-1.8.1 python_targets_python3_4
 
 emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy
 =dev-python/chardet-2.2.1[python_targets_python2_7(-)?,python_targets_python3_3(-)?,python_targets_python3_4(-)?,python_targets_pypy(-)?,-python_single_target_python2_7(-),-python_single_target_python3_3(-),-python_single_target_python3_4(-),-python_single_target_pypy(-)].
 (dependency required by dev-python/requests-2.3.0 [ebuild])
 (dependency required by media-gfx/blender-2.71 [ebuild])
 (dependency required by =media-gfx/blender-2.71 [argument])
 
 
 
 
 Just do exactly what the output says.
 The first chunk gets copied exactly into package.accept_keywords
 The second chunk gets copied exactly into package.use
 The third chunk is information to assist you. It is saying that
 according to your setup, portage cannot find a way to install chardet
 that satisfies blender's requirements, the first two chunks are how to
 make it possible (portage will never make these changes automatically).
 
 The third chunk does not mean that the listed ebuilds are missing, it
 means they cannot be satisfied.
 
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 Alan McKinnon
 alan.mckin...@gmail.com
 
 
I am terribly sorry for using wgetpaste, it won't happen again. I was
only following the official Gentoo Wiki.

When seeking help, it's best to come prepared. Someone volunteering
their time doesn't want to waste that time fumbling about. That's where
wgetpaste comes in handy. Make sure you have merged app-text/wgetpaste,
and then you're ready to be helped.
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Troubleshooting#Collecting_Additional_Information

I have added the keywords and use flags to package.accept_keywords 
package.use respectively, but I still...

emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy
=dev-python/chardet-2.2.1[python_targets_python2_7(-)?,python_targets_python3_3(-)?,python_targets_python3_4(-)?,python_targets_pypy(-)?,-python_single_target_python2_7(-),-python_single_target_python3_3(-),-python_single_target_python3_4(-),-python_single_target_pypy(-)].
(dependency required by dev-python/requests-2.3.0 [ebuild])
(dependency required by media-gfx/blender-2.71 [ebuild])
(dependency required by =media-gfx/blender-2.71 [argument])


What does it mean to satisfy =dev-python/chardet-2.2.1?


equery g =dev-python/chardet-2.2.1

* Searching for chardet2.2.1 in dev-python ...

 * dependency graph for dev-python/chardet-2.2.1
  `--  dev-python/chardet-2.2.1  amd64 
 `--  dev-python/setuptools-2.2  (dev-python/setuptools) amd64
 [python_targets_python2_6(-)? python_targets_python2_7(-)?
 python_targets_python3_2(-)? python_targets_python3_3(-)?
 python_targets_python3_4(-)? python_targets_pypy(-)?
 -python_single_target_python2_6(-)
 -python_single_target_python2_7(-)
 -python_single_target_python3_2(-)
 -python_single_target_python3_3(-)
 -python_single_target_python3_4(-) -python_single_target_pypy

[gentoo-user] =media-gfx/blender-2.71 use flag constraints

2014-07-08 Thread List Reader
Hello, I don't fully understand this packages use flag constraints.

emerge -pqv =media-gfx/blender-2.71
http://bpaste.net/show/445090/

emerge --info =media-gfx/blender-2.71
http://bpaste.net/show/445091/

I have keyworded =dev-lang/python-3.4.0 in package.accept_keywords, but
python_targets_python3_4 is still disabled. Do I need to manually
install =dev-lang/python-3.4.0 in another slot? Thank you



Re: [gentoo-user] =media-gfx/blender-2.71 use flag constraints

2014-07-08 Thread List Reader
On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 09:21:38AM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote:
 
 On 08/07/14 09:23, List Reader wrote:
  Hello, I don't fully understand this packages use flag constraints.
 
  emerge -pqv =media-gfx/blender-2.71
  http://bpaste.net/show/445090/
 
  emerge --info =media-gfx/blender-2.71
  http://bpaste.net/show/445091/
 
  I have keyworded =dev-lang/python-3.4.0 in package.accept_keywords, but
  python_targets_python3_4 is still disabled. Do I need to manually
  install =dev-lang/python-3.4.0 in another slot? Thank you
 
 
 It means you have to add 'media-gfx/blender
 python_single_target_python3_4' to /etc/portage/package.use
 to enable Python 3.4 for this package

Thanks very much. 



[gentoo-user] media-gfx/blender-2.71 dependencies

2014-07-08 Thread List Reader
Hello again kind friends, I'm not sure how to resolve the requirements
for merging media-gfx/blender-2.71

emerge -pvf media-gfx/blender
http://bpaste.net/show/447617/

The reqired ebuilds seem to be in portage, but emerge says the're not
available. Any insight would be grearly apreciated.

Kind regards cinder



Re: [gentoo-user] media-gfx/freecad-0.13.1830-r1 faild to compile

2014-07-02 Thread List Reader
On Tue, Jul 01, 2014 at 10:50:28PM -0700, Bryan Gardiner wrote:
 On Wed, 2 Jul 2014 11:30:33 +1000
 List Reader gentooglel...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi! I have been trying to install media-gfx/freecad for a while, but I
  can't understand the build log.
  
  emerge -pqv =media-gfx/freecad-0.13.1830-r1
  http://bpaste.net/show/426786/
  
  emerge --info =media-gfx/freecad-0.13.1830-r1
  http://bpaste.net/show/426793/
  
  cat /var/tmp/portage/media-gfx/freecad-0.13.1830-r1/temp/build.log
  http://bpaste.net/show/426800/
  
  Thank you
 
 Hello,
 
 The error message starting on line 2543 of your build.log looks like
 this bug:
 
 https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=513148
 
 Try installing dev-qt/designer if you haven't already.
 
 Cheers,
 Bryan
 
 -- 
 Go game editor :: http://khumba.net/projects/goatee :: AGPL, Haskell
 I: [pulseaudio] main.c: Fresh high-resolution timers available! Bon appetit!
 
Thank you very much. dev-qt/designer was indeed all I needed. Line 2543 eh? 
Wow! One of these days I'd like to be able
to do that.

Kind regards



[gentoo-user] media-gfx/freecad-0.13.1830-r1 faild to compile

2014-07-01 Thread List Reader
Hi! I have been trying to install media-gfx/freecad for a while, but I
can't understand the build log.

emerge -pqv =media-gfx/freecad-0.13.1830-r1
http://bpaste.net/show/426786/

emerge --info =media-gfx/freecad-0.13.1830-r1
http://bpaste.net/show/426793/

cat /var/tmp/portage/media-gfx/freecad-0.13.1830-r1/temp/build.log
http://bpaste.net/show/426800/

Thank you



[gentoo-user] media-gfx/freecad-0.13.1830-r1 faild to compile

2014-07-01 Thread List Reader
Hi! I have been trying to install media-gfx/freecad for a while, but I
can't understand the build log.

emerge -pqv =media-gfx/freecad-0.13.1830-r1
http://bpaste.net/show/426786/

emerge --info =media-gfx/freecad-0.13.1830-r1
http://bpaste.net/show/426793/

cat /var/tmp/portage/media-gfx/freecad-0.13.1830-r1/temp/build.log
http://bpaste.net/show/426800/

Thank you



[gentoo-user] Re: media-gfx/freecad-0.13.1830-r1 faild to compile

2014-07-01 Thread List Reader
Whoops! Sorry! My first message('s :)) with mutt. Ahem! Thank you.



[gentoo-user] Re: [lame logrotate Q]

2009-12-21 Thread reader
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes:

 I notice that the size part is on its own line which may be the issue.

 That will rotate his log when it gets to 100k, and only when it gets to 100k.
 The OP wants to rotate when either the log file is a certain size, or every 
 week, whichever comes first.

 Logrotate does not support that feature.

Thanks Alan... saved me dicking around with it endlessly.




[gentoo-user] Re: Changing subject and from lines of cron emails

2009-12-21 Thread reader
Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk writes:

 However the from:  address is strol...@host.long.domain, which I
 feel is a little untidy.

Hopefully you use sendmail as mta.  If so either, Masquerading or
generics table can rewrite in or out going mail far as from field.

I'm familiar only with sendmail and masquerading.  Sendmail can be
made to masquerade as a certain doemain fairly painlessly... If
interersted I can provide details.




[gentoo-user] How to know the fonts inside various font packages

2009-06-13 Thread reader
How can user learn the exact fonts contained in the various font
package offered in portage without actually installing them?

Even after installing, unless you have something like xlsfonts
installed you still won't be able to tell.

equery files font-pkg

Gives a list of the files installed but the naming is way different
from what you see or need to use when assigning a specific to be used
in some app.

And of course using equery already means you've had to install the
font.

I want to find this information before installing a font package.

I ask because I'm building up a new install, trying mirror or nearly
so my previous install which was yrs in the making.

I looked under /var/db/pkg/media-fonts in backups from the previous
install and find no less than 38 font pkgs installed.

I don't as a rule use anything far out... I like fonts assigned to
emacs and xterm... thats about it.  And those are common ones like
 -misc-fixed-bold-r-normal--18-120-100-100-c-90-iso8859-1

But on a fresh install that particular one is missing.  I'd like to
have been able to see what package it was in without installing
anything.

I've already gone ahead and installed some listed in the backup
mentioned and now have that one available but I'd like to know for
future reference if I can determine what fonts are in which packge
somehow.





[gentoo-user] Re: font missing

2009-06-13 Thread reader
John P. Burkett burk...@uri.edu writes:

 Suggestions for recovering the old 10x20 font would be appreciated.

I had the same problem but was able to view from an old backup of var
in a previous OS install what was installed.

It showed 38 packages I'd also like to know what specific fonts
are in which package.

But I just installed a few from the list.

This is a guess but I think it was 
  media-fonts/font-sony-misc that supplied the missing 10x20 and mine
was also missing 9x15.

Be warned that the above pkg is JUST a GUESS... since I installed
several pkgs and found no way to really tell what is in them.

Even equery files font-pkg doesn't tell you since the naming
apparently changes somewhere between files installed and actual fonts
available. 


The entire list I now have installed is listed below in case the guess
above is wrong.  One in that bunch has it.  Look in:

  /var/db/pkg/media-fonts to see what is already installed.  

Severl of those listed below will almost certainly be there.  So maybe
it will narrow it down for you a bit.

===
font-misc-meltho-1.0.0
font-sony-misc-1.0.0
font-adobe-100dpi-1.0.0
font-misc-misc-1.0.0
font-sun-misc-1.0.0
font-adobe-75dpi-1.0.0
font-mutt-misc-1.0.0
font-util-1.0.1
font-alias-1.0.1
font-schumacher-misc-1.0.0
gnu-gs-fonts-std-8.11




[gentoo-user] Re: set local kenel version

2009-06-13 Thread reader
rea...@newsguy.com writes:

 Just for you own info in case you ever want to do it not that
 wasn't why it didn't work.

Jesus... I'm getting more illiterate as time goes on.

Should say:

Just for [your] own info in case you ever want to do it... [No], that
wasn't why it didn' work.




[gentoo-user] Re: uvesafb - does it require use of initramfs/initrd?

2009-01-16 Thread reader
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com writes:

 I'm ashamed to admit I made the most basic mistake. I compiled uvesafb
 as a module. Oops! Compiled it as Y instead of M and now I have a
 pair of Tux sitting atop my kernel boot screen and no more 80x25
 horror. :)

Is there some difference in uvesafb and vesafb?  I've always just ignored
the uvesafb choice and used plain vesafb.

I just assumed from the name of it and the menuconfig help on it that
it was something only usable in `userspace'.  I took that to mean
after bootup.. something you'd do from the command line.

Anyone here that can explain what the difference is.




[gentoo-user] Build failure hwinfo both stable and testing

2009-01-16 Thread reader
I tried to install hwinfo today and failed with the latest
~hwinfo-14.19.  I couldn't make anything usefull of the failure
message so backed off to the stable version 13.28.  I got the same
failure so wondering if anyone can make sense of the (partial)
output below.

Does it mean this file is missing (i10_v86.o):
make[2]: *** [i10_v86.o] Error 1   

Or do the earlier error message indicate something wrong in the code?
Or something completely differnet?

These pkgs were installed today... they were pulled in by
hwinfo: 

Fri Jan 16 12:16:31 2009  dev-libs/libusb-0.1.12-r4
Fri Jan 16 12:17:22 2009  sys-fs/sysfsutils-2.1.0
Fri Jan 16 12:17:48 2009  dev-util/gperf-3.0.3
Fri Jan 16 12:18:12 2009  sys-apps/eject-2.1.5-r1
Fri Jan 16 12:18:26 2009  sys-apps/dmidecode-2.10
Fri Jan 16 12:18:35 2009  app-arch/rpm2targz-9.0.0.3g
Fri Jan 16 12:19:25 2009  x11-terms/xterm-239
Fri Jan 16 12:20:04 2009  sys-fs/device-mapper-1.02.28
Fri Jan 16 12:20:38 2009  sys-apps/usbutils-0.73
Fri Jan 16 12:21:32 2009  sys-fs/cryptsetup-1.0.6-r2
Fri Jan 16 12:22:03 2009  x11-apps/xinit-1.0.8-r3
Fri Jan 16 12:32:20 2009  x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r1
Fri Jan 16 12:32:53 2009  x11-drivers/xf86-input-keyboard-1.3.2
Fri Jan 16 12:33:25 2009  x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev-2.1.1
Fri Jan 16 12:34:00 2009  x11-drivers/xf86-video-vmware-10.16.5
Fri Jan 16 12:34:38 2009  x11-drivers/xf86-input-mouse-1.4.0
Fri Jan 16 12:35:20 2009  dev-python/pyxf86config-0.3.34-r2
Fri Jan 16 12:37:58 2009  sys-apps/hal-0.5.11-r6
Fri Jan 16 12:38:14 2009  app-misc/hal-info-20080508


emerge hwinfo output
[...]

i10_v86.c: In function 'setup_vm86':
i10_v86.c:104: error: 'VIF_MASK' undeclared (first use in this function)
i10_v86.c:104: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
i10_v86.c:104: error: for each function it appears in.)
i10_v86.c:104: error: 'VIP_MASK' undeclared (first use in this function)
i10_v86.c: In function 'run_bios_int':
i10_v86.c:474: error: 'VIF_MASK' undeclared (first use in this function)
i10_v86.c:475: error: 'IF_MASK' undeclared (first use in this function)
i10_v86.c:486: error: 'TF_MASK' undeclared (first use in this function)
i10_v86.c:486: error: 'NT_MASK' undeclared (first use in this function)
make[2]: *** [i10_v86.o] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory 
`/var/tmp/portage/sys-apps/hwinfo-13.28/work/hwinfo-13.28/src/int10'
make[1]: *** [subdirs] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory 
`/var/tmp/portage/sys-apps/hwinfo-13.28/work/hwinfo-13.28/src'
make: *** [subdirs] Error 2
 *
 * ERROR: sys-apps/hwinfo-13.28 failed.
 * Call stack:
 *   ebuild.sh, line   49:  Called src_compile
 * environment, line 2092:  Called die
 * The specific snippet of code:
 *   emake -j1 EXTRA_FLAGS=${CFLAGS} || die emake failed
 *  The die message:
 *   emake failed




[gentoo-user] Append string on Kernel builds

2009-01-16 Thread reader
In the first section during a `makeconfig' session, there is a line
(the second one) that says:

  Local Version - append to kernel release

I like to use that and put `-$MYHOST' as string.  I wondered if there
is any way to set a numericly incrementing string.  Maybe some trick
syntax that can go in that spot?




[gentoo-user] Re: Append string on Kernel builds

2009-01-16 Thread reader
Dirk Heinrichs dirk.heinri...@online.de writes:

 I like to use that and put `-$MYHOST' as string.  I wondered if there
 is any way to set a numericly incrementing string.  Maybe some trick
 syntax that can go in that spot?

 The build system does that automatically as long as you don't make 
 mrproper, 
 see uname -a output.

No.. its not the same as what I'm talking about.  When you set the
item in menuconfig:
  General Setup/Local Version [...]

The string you set there  is appended to that actual build product
like vmlinuz-2.6.26-gentoo-$HOST

The vmlinuz that gets sent to /boot/ when you say `make install' is
named that way, along with the config-XXX and System-XXX that is moved
there.

Keeps things kind of tidy in /boot/ if you are mucking around with
several kernels.

What I asked was if there is some tricky syntax I could use on that
kernel setting that would do:  linux-2.6.26-gentoo-$HOST-N
Where N is an incremented number every time I build the kernel without
running `mrproper'.




[gentoo-user] emacs-cvs problem or gentoo problem with emacs-cvs

2008-06-22 Thread reader
Can anyone tell from the tail of this build failure if the problem is
related at all to gentoo, maybe use flags or such.  Or if it is a
problem with the emacs-cvs code itself.

I know they are having problems... as reported on the emacs devel list
with `make  bootstrap' but I'm not smart enough to see if this is it
or something else.

tail -n 30 [...]/emacs-cvs-23.0./temp/build.log

i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -c -D_BSD_SOURCE   -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 
-I/var/tmp/portage/app-editors/emacs-cvs-23.0./work/emacs/src -D_BSD_SOURCE 
-I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 
-I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 
-I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 
-I/usr/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/include/alsa -I/usr/include/librsvg-2 
-I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 
-I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 
-I/usr/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include -O2 
-march=i686 -pipe chartab.c
i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -c -D_BSD_SOURCE   -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 
-I/var/tmp/portage/app-editors/emacs-cvs-23.0./work/emacs/src -D_BSD_SOURCE 
-I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 
-I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 
-I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 
-I/usr/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/include/alsa -I/usr/include/librsvg-2 
-I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 
-I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 
-I/usr/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include -O2 
-march=i686 -pipe cm.c
i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -c -D_BSD_SOURCE   -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 
-I/var/tmp/portage/app-editors/emacs-cvs-23.0./work/emacs/src -D_BSD_SOURCE 
-I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 
-I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 
-I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 
-I/usr/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/include/alsa -I/usr/include/librsvg-2 
-I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 
-I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 
-I/usr/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include -O2 
-march=i686 -pipe term.c
i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -c -D_BSD_SOURCE   -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 
-I/var/tmp/portage/app-editors/emacs-cvs-23.0./work/emacs/src -D_BSD_SOURCE 
-I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 
-I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 
-I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 
-I/usr/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/include/alsa -I/usr/include/librsvg-2 
-I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 
-I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 
-I/usr/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include -O2 
-march=i686 -pipe terminal.c
i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -c -D_BSD_SOURCE   -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 
-I/var/tmp/portage/app-editors/emacs-cvs-23.0./work/emacs/src -D_BSD_SOURCE 
-I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 
-I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 
-I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 
-I/usr/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/include/alsa -I/usr/include/librsvg-2 
-I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 
-I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 
-I/usr/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include -O2 
-march=i686 -pipe xfaces.c
i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -c -D_BSD_SOURCE   -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 
-I/var/tmp/portage/app-editors/emacs-cvs-23.0./work/emacs/src -D_BSD_SOURCE 
-I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 
-I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 
-I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 
-I/usr/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/include/alsa -I/usr/include/librsvg-2 
-I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 
-I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 
-I/usr/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include -O2 
-march=i686 -pipe xterm.c
i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -c -D_BSD_SOURCE   -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. 
-I/var/tmp/portage/app-editors/emacs-cvs-23.0./work/emacs/src -D_BSD_SOURCE 
-I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 
-I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 
-I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 
-I/usr/include/pixman-1 

[gentoo-user] Help deciphering mysql update errors

2008-06-06 Thread reader
Sorry to include so much of the last of emerge output on an update of
mysql but not so easy to see what the real problem is.

Maybe someone here will recognize it:

Following and emerge -vuD world... at mysql:

Tail of mysql build:
[...]
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:66: error: expected declaration speci
iers before 'DB_ENV'
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:67: error: expected declaration speci
iers before 'DB_MUTEX'
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:82: error: 'MUTEX_MPOOL' undeclared (
irst use in this function)
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:82: error: (Each undeclared identifie
 is reported only once
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:82: error: for each function it appea
s in.)
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:83: error: invalid type argument of '
nary *'
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:83: warning: passing argument 1 of 'm
mset' makes pointer from integer without a cast
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:94: error: 'MUTEX_THREAD' undeclared 
first use in this function)
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:94: error: 'DB_ENV_PRIVATE' undeclare
 (first use in this function)
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:95: error: 'DB_ENV_THREAD' undeclared
(first use in this function)
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:96: error: 'MUTEX_IGNORE' undeclared 
first use in this function)
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:187: error: invalid type argument of 
-'
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:192: error: 'MUTEX_INITED' undeclared
(first use in this function)
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c: In function '__db_pthread_mutex_lock
:
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:208: error: expected declaration spec
fiers before 'DB_ENV'
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:209: error: expected declaration spec
fiers before 'DB_MUTEX'
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:214: error: 'DB_ENV_NOLOCKING' undecl
red (first use in this function)
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:214: error: 'MUTEX_IGNORE' undeclared
(first use in this function)
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:218: error: invalid type argument of 
-'
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:219: error: invalid type argument of 
-'
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:222: error: invalid type argument of 
-'
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:225: error: 'MUTEX_SELF_BLOCK' undecl
red (first use in this function)
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:226: error: invalid type argument of 
-'
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:227: error: invalid type argument of 
-'
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:227: error: invalid type argument of 
-'
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:238: error: 'EINTR' undeclared (first
use in this function)
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:242: error: 'ETIMEDOUT' undeclared (f
rst use in this function)
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:243: error: invalid type argument of 
-'
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:249: error: invalid type argument of 
-'
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:251: error: invalid type argument of 
-'
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:256: error: invalid type argument of 
-'
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:269: error: invalid type argument of 
-'
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:270: error: 'EFAULT' undeclared (firs
 use in this function)
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:274: error: invalid type argument of 
-'
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:275: error: invalid type argument of 
-'
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:277: error: invalid type argument of 
-'
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:278: error: invalid type argument of 
-'
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:278: error: invalid type argument of 
-'
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:280: error: invalid type argument of 
-'
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:290: error: invalid type argument of 
-'
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c: In function '__db_pthread_mutex_unlo
k':
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:307: error: expected declaration spec
fiers before 'DB_ENV'
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:308: error: expected declaration spec
fiers before 'DB_MUTEX'
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:312: error: 'DB_ENV_NOLOCKING' undecl
red (first use in this function)
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:312: error: 'MUTEX_IGNORE' undeclared
(first use in this function)
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:320: error: 'MUTEX_SELF_BLOCK' undecl
red (first use in this function)
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:321: error: invalid type argument of 
-'
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:324: error: invalid type argument of 
-'
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:326: error: invalid type argument of 
-'
../../././bdb/dist/../mutex/mut_pthread.c:330: error: invalid type argument of 
-'

[gentoo-user] Speed up `du'

2008-05-24 Thread reader
Is there any way to speed up the du command?  I mean short of having
cron run it on target directories and store results.  (not really
speeding up but at least not having to wait for a result)

I've seen various mention of du being slow but don't recall any
mentions of how to speed it up.

I use Reiserfs with default sizes.  In some situations like a large
cache of nntp messages of several GB.  I might wait 5-10 minutes or more
for du to get the size of the directory. 

Are there other file systems that can return a result of `du' faster?

I'm curious how `df' computes sizes so much quicker.  Even after
rm'ing a large amount of data... `df' sees the difference right away.

Or maybe there is some other tool or technique that can quickly tell
me the size of a directory or set of directories.

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[gentoo-user] openrc all over again with version 0.2.4-r1

2008-05-23 Thread reader
After surviving the initial update to openrc  I've now found after an
update world that the latest openrc no longer links /etc/init.d/lo to
/lib/rc/sh/net.sh.

In fact /lib/rc/sh/net.sh is completely gone.  So I'm left with
several useless symlinks in /etc/init.d and no indication of what they
should be linked to.

The migration guide at:
   http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/openrc-migration.xml

Appears to be badly out of date and appears to indicate symlinking
/etc/init.d/net.ethN to /etc/init.d/net.lo will fix the network startup.

No mention of what /etc/init.d/lo is supposed to be linked to now.

I've probably missed some important output of emerge during update
world but my elogs for openrc do  not indicate any messages.

The newest version of openrc does not contain the file:
/lib/rc/sh/net.sh.

as it did with openrc-0.2.3

Anyone know what the new scheme is... what the symlinks in
/etc/init.d/net.ethN are supposed to point to?

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[gentoo-user] Re: openrc all over again with version 0.2.4-r1

2008-05-23 Thread reader
Andrés Becerra Sandoval [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Probably you didn't etc-updated your system. My box is working
 correctly, /etc/init.d/net.lo is the attached file, and net.eth0 is a
 symlink to this file.

Do you mean just update the new .cfg files against installed files?
Apparently I overlooked that *_.cfg*net.lo was a replacement for
  /lib/rc/sh/net.sh

Seems like something like that would be mentioned in an elog somewhere. 

Thanks moving *cfg*net.lo into possition in /etc/init.d/net.lo got
me straightened out.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Can't install emacs-cvs on semi-minimal install of gentoo (no X)

2008-05-20 Thread reader
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 'xpm' is a graphics format ( X Pix Map, IIRC) so that may be a problem.
 There is also a USE flag for Xface as well.

 Try adding '-xpm -xface' to your USE flags.

 Well I can report that it wasn't the xpm flag.  I haven't tried with
 -xface yet but wouldn't the output above have shown `xface' as one of
 the USE flags if it was in fact being invoked?

And I can now report that it WAS `-xface' or so it would seem since 
running `emerge -v -xpm -xface' has completed without error.

Thanks... but this brings a question to my mind and makes me think I've
been misunderstanding the output one sees with `emerge -vp whatever'

I've been using that to see what USE flags would be in play.  Is that
a wrong notion?  Because `xface' was NOT a flag that showed up on my
trial run with `emerge -vp emacs-cvs'.

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[gentoo-user] Are some-cvs items synced with actual cvs often?

2008-05-20 Thread reader
I'm curious how some-cvs type packages work.

In particular emacs-cvs.  I'm running what gentoo tells me is
emacs-23.0..

I have certain font problems that judging by following the emacs-dev
list are now somewhat dealt with in current cvs.

AFter running  `emerge --sync' I see that emacs-cvs still shows
emacs-23.0..  And no update needed

When I run emacs command M-x version it shows emacs-23.0.60

I think there have been changes in the head of emacs-23 cvs.  So how
do I determine if I'm running the latest cvs?  

I used to build my own emacs-cvs and update from cvs as needed but
was told I ought to let gentoo handle that by installing emacs-cvs.
That emacs-cvs thru gentoo would accomplish the same thing but would
keep my OS up on what its running.

Now I want to know how closely portage emas-cvs follows the cvs tree.
Is it linked directly to it or is there some delay where gentoo does
whatever to the package?

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[gentoo-user] Can't install emacs-cvs on semi-minimal install of gentoo (no X)

2008-05-19 Thread reader
Folks.. I'm sorry to repost this under a new subject line... I got no
responses on a previous try... Is there someone here who is an emacs
user who might see whats going wrong with the emerge?  Or someone how
can just spot something in the error output that provides a clue for
me to dig with.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I want to get emacs-cvs installed on a machine with no X or xorg stuff
installed.   I want version 23 for the newly merged multi-tty
functionality. (a way to connect to a running emacs remotely)

When I try to emerge it with these flags:
  root # emerge -v emacs-cvs
[...]
  [ebuild  N] app-editors/emacs-cvs-23.0.  USE=gpm xpm -X 
  -Xaw3d -alsa -dbus -gif -gtk -gzip-el -hesiod -jpeg -kerberos 
  -m17n-lib -motif -png -sound -source -spell -svg -tiff 
  -toolkit-scroll-bars -xft
[...]
  xfaces.c:(.text+0x42a6): undefined reference to `FONT_WEIGHT_NAME_NUMERIC'
  xfaces.c:(.text+0x42bb): undefined reference to `FONT_WEIGHT_NAME_NUMERIC'
  print.o: In function `print_object':
  print.c:(.text+0x2dc2): undefined reference to `font_style_symbolic'
  collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
  make[2]: *** [temacs] Error 1

  make[2]: Leaving directory
  `/var/tmp/portage/app-editors/emacs-cvs-23.0./work/emacs/src'

  make[1]: *** [bootstrap-build] Error 2

  make[1]: Leaving directory
  `/var/tmp/portage/app-editors/emacs-cvs-23.0./work/emacs'

  make: *** [bootstrap] Error 2
   *
   * ERROR: app-editors/emacs-cvs-23.0. failed.
   * Call stack:
   *   ebuild.sh, line   49:  Called src_compile
   * environment, line 3373:  Called die
   * The specific snippet of code:
   *   emake CC=$(tc-getCC) bootstrap || die make bootstrap failed
   *  The die message:
   *   make bootstrap failed
[...]

Is that failure related to not having X support libs installed? Or is
it maybe a compiler problem?

Again the use flags:

The use flags were:
  [ebuild  N] app-editors/emacs-cvs-23.0.  USE=gpm xpm -X 
  -Xaw3d -alsa -dbus -gif -gtk -gzip-el -hesiod -jpeg -kerberos 
  -m17n-lib -motif -png -sound -source -spell -svg -tiff 
  -toolkit-scroll-bars -xft

Do I need to change the use flags somehow? Or can anyone spot
something else to work with?

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[gentoo-user] Re: Can't install emacs-cvs on semi-minimal install of gentoo (no X)

2008-05-19 Thread reader
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 09:05:30AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Folks.. I'm sorry to repost this under a new subject line... I got no
 responses on a previous try... Is there someone here who is an emacs
 user who might see whats going wrong with the emerge?  Or someone how
 can just spot something in the error output that provides a clue for
 me to dig with.
 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 I want to get emacs-cvs installed on a machine with no X or xorg stuff
 installed.   I want version 23 for the newly merged multi-tty
 functionality. (a way to connect to a running emacs remotely)
 
 When I try to emerge it with these flags:
   root # emerge -v emacs-cvs
 [...]
   [ebuild  N] app-editors/emacs-cvs-23.0.  USE=gpm xpm -X 
   -Xaw3d -alsa -dbus -gif -gtk -gzip-el -hesiod -jpeg -kerberos 
   -m17n-lib -motif -png -sound -source -spell -svg -tiff 
   -toolkit-scroll-bars -xft
 [...]
   xfaces.c:(.text+0x42a6): undefined reference to `FONT_WEIGHT_NAME_NUMERIC'
   xfaces.c:(.text+0x42bb): undefined reference to `FONT_WEIGHT_NAME_NUMERIC'


 'xpm' is a graphics format ( X Pix Map, IIRC) so that may be a problem.
 There is also a USE flag for Xface as well.

 Try adding '-xpm -xface' to your USE flags.

Well I can report that it wasn't the xpm flag.  I haven't tried with
-xface yet but wouldn't the output above have shown `xface' as one of
the USE flags if it was in fact being invoked?

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[gentoo-user] Re: How to set package.use for layman overlays

2008-05-18 Thread reader
Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On 17 May 2008, at 16:00, Alexander Meinke wrote:

 So again, if one wanted to set some use flags differently for layman
 packages ... where and how would that be done?
 I think that you should use package.use.

 Yes. According to Strollers post this is done by an package.use file
 in /usr/portage/layman I think.

 Yes, package.use, but not anywhere special - just the regular one in /
 etc/portage/, /etc/portage/package.use. This sets use flags for all
 packages, both in the main tree AND in layman.


I'm a little confused .. the question (that you quoted in your
reply) asks how to set use flags separately for layman overlay.

So your answer doesn't appear to make sense... but maybe I'm missing
something here.

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[gentoo-user] How to set package.use for layman overlays

2008-05-17 Thread reader
I've just started to use layman tools and wondered if setting such
things as /etc/portage/package.use would still be done in that same
place and same way?

I want to install an overlay of emacs-cvs but with different use flags

I'm following along with the instruction at:
http://www.enigmacurry.com/2007/05/24/multi-tty-emacs-on-gentoo-and-ubuntu/

On my laptop I run Gentoo Linux. Getting the latest version of Emacs on Gentoo 
was a breeze! :

* Setup Layman
* Add the emacs overlay: sudo layman -a emacs
* Add the following USE flags for app-editors/emacs-cvs: sudo
  flagedit app-editors/emacs-cvs X Xaw3d alsa gif gzip-el jpeg
  lesstif png sound spell tiff toolkit-scroll-bars xpm -gtk
  -hesiod -motif -source.
* GTK support is explicitly turned off as it causes problems with
  multi-TTY. This is no biggie for me as I always have
  (menu-bar-mode -1) and (tool-bar-mode -1) set.
* Emerge: sudo emerge emacs-cvs -va
* Tell the system to use the new emacs: sudo eselect emacs set 
emacs-23-multi-tty


To get emacs-multitty set up.  It isn't really clear what role layman
plays in those instructions since the final command is
  emerge emacs-cvs

Or will that automatically use the layman overlays.

Or maybe the author assumes I don't already have emacs installed from
/usr/portage.

I realize this is a little offhanded since its asking advice about 2nd
party instructions.  But I have no experience whatever with layman or
using overlays at all.  So thought maybe better to ask here than
directly to the author of those instructions.

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[gentoo-user] Re: How to set package.use for layman overlays

2008-05-17 Thread reader

 I've just started to use layman tools and wondered if setting such
 things as /etc/portage/package.use would still be done in that same
 place and same way?

deface [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 assuming you've got your make.conf setup appropriately, the overlay
 will take precisidence.

 PORTDIR_OVERLAY=/usr/portage/local
 PORTDIR_OVERLAY=/storage/repos/uberpenguin/trunk
 source /usr/portage/local/layman/make.conf

Sorry it must be going right over my head.
I don't see an answer to my question there.

How and where to set different use flags for layman as compared to
usr/portage?

Or lets say I set some USE flags in 
  /usr/portage/local/layman/make.conf

Depending on where that line:
  `source /usr/portage/local/layman/make.conf'

is in /etc/make.conf it appears any USE flags set in 
..layman/make.conf will either possible overwrite some in
/etc/make.conf or the other way round.
And the conglomerate will be what emerge runs with.

It would also seem that /etc/portage/package.use would be global and
include layman... is that right?

So again, if one wanted to set some use flags differently for layman
packages ... where and how would that be done?

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[gentoo-user] Re: How to set package.use for layman overlays

2008-05-17 Thread reader
Alexander Meinke [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 So again, if one wanted to set some use flags differently for layman
 packages ... where and how would that be done?

 I think that you should use package.use.

 Yes. According to Strollers post this is done by an package.use file
 in /usr/portage/layman I think.

What post?... do have the  Message-ID.  Are you sure about the
location?

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[gentoo-user] emerge emacs-cvs fails on a fairly minimal install

2008-05-17 Thread reader
I want to get emacs-cvs installed on a machine with no X or xorg stuff
installed.   I want version 23 for the newly merged multi-tty
functionality. (a way to connect to a running emacs remotely)

When I try to emerge it:
[...]
  xfaces.c:(.text+0x42a6): undefined reference to `FONT_WEIGHT_NAME_NUMERIC'
  xfaces.c:(.text+0x42bb): undefined reference to `FONT_WEIGHT_NAME_NUMERIC'
  print.o: In function `print_object':
  print.c:(.text+0x2dc2): undefined reference to `font_style_symbolic'
  collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
  make[2]: *** [temacs] Error 1

  make[2]: Leaving directory
  `/var/tmp/portage/app-editors/emacs-cvs-23.0./work/emacs/src'

  make[1]: *** [bootstrap-build] Error 2

  make[1]: Leaving directory
  `/var/tmp/portage/app-editors/emacs-cvs-23.0./work/emacs'

  make: *** [bootstrap] Error 2
   *
   * ERROR: app-editors/emacs-cvs-23.0. failed.
   * Call stack:
   *   ebuild.sh, line   49:  Called src_compile
   * environment, line 3373:  Called die
   * The specific snippet of code:
   *   emake CC=$(tc-getCC) bootstrap || die make bootstrap failed
   *  The die message:
   *   make bootstrap failed
[...]

Is that failure related to not having X support libs installed? Or is
really a compiler problem?

The use flags were:
  [ebuild  N] app-editors/emacs-cvs-23.0.  USE=gpm xpm -X 
  -Xaw3d -alsa -dbus -gif -gtk -gzip-el -hesiod -jpeg -kerberos 
  -m17n-lib -motif -png -sound -source -spell -svg -tiff 
  -toolkit-scroll-bars -xft

Do I need to change the use flags somehow?


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[gentoo-user] sendmail trb post update wrld and jump to openrc

2008-05-14 Thread reader
Following a recent jump from pre openrc to post openrc via emerge -vuD
world, sendmail is now failing to authenticate with my Smart host.

I'll say in advance that I am not interested in switching MTAs for the
inevitable suggestions to switch to a different MTA.

Far as I know nothing has changed with my Smart Host... (comcast.net)
and I haven't changed any sendmail config files.

But following along with the smtp conversation with mail -v  I see my
messages meet a hefty pause at the point were my machine shakes hands
with the smtp.comcast.net server.  (The output is inlined at the end).

There is no mention of authentication failing it just says the
connection is `deferred' and then times out. 

Sendmail-8.14.2 here

You can see from output below that the message makes it past my local
submit agent and then following the line that says:
  354 Enter mail, end with . on a line by itself
   .
The connection is deferred and then times out.

  mail -v -s $DATE-$(hostname) [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] Connecting to [127.0.0.1] via relay...
220 reader.local.lan ESMTP Sendmail 8.14.2/8.14.2; Wed, 14 May 2008
18:19:21 -0500
 EHLO reader.local.lan
250-reader.local.lan Hello reader.local.lan [127.0.0.1], pleased to
meet you
250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
250-PIPELINING
250-EXPN
250-VERB
250-8BITMIME
250-SIZE
250-DSN
250-ETRN
250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN
250-DELIVERBY
250 HELP
 VERB
250 2.0.0 Verbose mode
 MAIL From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SIZE=88
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
250 2.1.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Sender ok
 RCPT To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 DATA
250 2.1.5 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Recipient ok
354 Enter mail, end with . on a line by itself
 .

  2 or more minute pause here

050 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Connecting to smtp.comcast.net via
relay...
050 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Deferred: Connection timed out with
smtp.comcast.net
250 2.0.0 m4ENJLAS003991 Message accepted for delivery
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent (m4ENJLAS003991 Message accepted for
delivery)
Closing connection to [127.0.0.1]
 QUIT
221 2.0.0 reader.local.lan closing connection


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[gentoo-user] Re: Constant hammering from Chinese IPs on prt 102[67]

2008-05-14 Thread reader
Justin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 It appears to be, at root, just another snivel about how MS does
 things with no substance.

   
 I understand it the other way round. It is not an active knocking on
 your ports, but a passive MS thing. Lots of Chinese bought a new
 computer with an MS operating system, which is sending out to the
 world.

Justin,
A moments thought would indicate that logic has a large flaw in it.
MS is the largest selling OS world wide .. that would indicate I
should see this traffic from all parts of the world.  But what I see is
probably 85 % chinese in origin.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Re enter chroot install

2008-05-14 Thread reader
James [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 # mount -o bind /dev /mnt/gentoo/dev

[...]

 Any of the above steps that are not necessary?

Other have commented about the .../boot stuff but in dozens of times
chrooting during all kinds of install situations I've never done 
  `mount -o bind /dev /mnt/gentoo/dev'

And far as I know it never caused me a problem.

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[gentoo-user] eix-test-obolete

2008-05-13 Thread reader
When running `eix-test-obsolete' after update world and revdep-rebuild
I get a list of 14 pkgs under the heading as listed below.
What does this mean... I'm running ~x86 and have been for yrs so the
ones that show `U' should have gotten updated during ... -vuD world.

  root # emerge -vp dev-lang/nasm
  These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
  [...]
  [ebuild U ] dev-lang/nasm-2.02 [2.00] USE=-build -doc 713 kB

Shows it will be updated.   So why is -vuD world missing this pkg (and
the others)?

Some.. maybe all show piles of dependencies and some ..(the ones I've
grepped so far) do not appear in world file.

I guess I don't understand how the system got these packages but
appears not to know much about them.

==
Final output of eix-test-obsolete
[...]
Installed packages with a version not in the database (or masked):

[U] dev-lang/nasm ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/02/08 - (~)2.02): groovy little assembler
[U] gnome-base/gconf (2.14.0(2)@06/20/06 - (~)2.22.0): Gnome
Configuration System and Daemon
[U] gnome-base/gnome-keyring ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/14/06 - (~)2.22.1): Password
and keyring managing daemon
[U] gnome-base/gnome-vfs (2.14.2-r1(2)@01/16/07 - (~)2.22.0): Gnome
Virtual Filesystem
[U] gnome-base/libbonobo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/20/06 - (~)2.22.0): GNOME CORBA
framework
[U] gnome-base/libbonoboui ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/14/06 - (~)2.22.0): User
Interface part of libbonobo
[U] gnome-base/libgnome ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/14/06 - (~)2.22.0): Essential
Gnome Libraries
[U] gnome-base/libgnomeui ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/14/06 - (~)2.22.1): User
Interface routines for Gnome
[U] gnome-base/orbit (2.14.0(2)@06/20/06 - 2.14.12): ORBit2 is a
high-performance CORBA ORB
[U] kde-base/kiconedit (3.5.7(3.5)@11/18/07 - (~)3.5.9): KDE Icon
Editor
[U] net-libs/libgssglue ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/07/07 - 0.1-r1): exports a gssapi
interface which calls other random gssapi libraries
[D] www-apps/gallery (2.2.3(2.2.3)@10/08/07 2.2.4(2.2.4)@01/19/08 -
1.5.3 (~)1.5.7 2.2.4): Web based (PHP Script) photo album
viewer/creator
[U] x11-misc/icon-naming-utils ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/20/06 - 0.8.6): Utils to
help with the transition to the new freedesktop.org naming scheme.
[U] x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/14/06 - (~)2.22.0): GNOME
2 default icon themes
Found 14 matches.

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[gentoo-user] jwhois quit working

2008-05-13 Thread reader
Has anyone else noticed jwhois queries to have quit working?

I get 
  root # jwhois 128.111.24.43
  [Querying whois.arin.net]
  [Error creating socket]
  [Unable to connect to remote host]

If I change the default server, still get the same message.

Changing to alpha style notation:
 jwhois ftp.ucsb.edu

I get a bunch of blab about 
[...]
  A Web interface for the .EDU EDUCAUSE
  Whois Server is available at: http://whois.educause.net
[...] 
  no match

The address is well known and registered and a regular whois finds it
immediately:

  whois 128.111.24.43
  OrgName:University of California, Santa Barbara
  OrgID:  UCSB
  [...]

Far as I know jwhois was working until very recently and the current
failures may have started following an -uD world although as eix
reports below... jwhois has not been updated since 10/2007 and there have
been no update pkgs in that time..

eix reports:
  eix -I jwhois 
  [I] net-misc/jwhois
 Available versions:  3.2.3-r1 4.0 {idn nls}
 Installed versions:  4.0(12:05:23 10/07/07)(nls)
 Homepage:http://www.gnu.org/software/jwhois/
 Description: Advanced Internet Whois client capable of
  recursive queries

Can anyone tell what the problem is? 

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[gentoo-user] Constant hammering from Chinese IPs on prt 102[67]

2008-05-13 Thread reader
On on a cable provider (comcast).

My router shows a constant hammering from numerious chinese IPs on
port 1027 and 1026.

Its not really apparent what is going on .. looking at the date graph
presented here:
  http://isc.sans.org/port.html?port=1027

Other google hits don't say much about it either.  Is it all icq
related?

If so what is the massive chinese interest in icq?

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[gentoo-user] Re: Constant hammering from Chinese IPs on prt 102[67]

2008-05-13 Thread reader
Justin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 If so what is the massive chinese interest in icq?

   
 found this in the net:

 http://www.grc.com/port_1026.htm
 http://www.grc.com/port_1027.htm

That doesn't give any analysis of why this port is being hammered by
hundreds, even thousands of IP originating in china.

It only guesses at what `might' be the reason such a port my be open,
and how to close it... but even that part has no detail.

It appears to be, at root, just another snivel about how MS does
things with no substance.

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[gentoo-user] Re: eix-test-obolete

2008-05-13 Thread reader
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Tue, 13 May 2008 07:18:33 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:

   I guess I don't understand how the system got these packages but
   appears not to know much about them.  
 
 Try adding --with-bdeps y and see if that addresses it. I've got this
 in my make.conf file
 
 EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--with-bdeps y

 Another possibility is that ypou merged them with the --oneshot option,
 or that they were pulled in as a dependency of a package you no longer
 have (or has been updated to a version that is no longer dependent on
 them). What does emerge --depclean -p show?

Along with dire warnings about ruining your system it lists 80 pkgs to
be removed.  Some are also on the eix-test-obsolete list of 14.  

I suspect I had better not allow it to actually remove these pkgs.

For example, one of the listed pkgs is:

  gnome-base/libgnomeui

which equery says `firefox' and `etherape' depend on.

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[gentoo-user] Re: eix-test-obolete

2008-05-13 Thread reader
Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I guess I don't understand how the system got these packages but
  appears not to know much about them.

 Try adding --with-bdeps y and see if that addresses it. I've got this
 in my make.conf file

It does want to upgrade one of the pkgs with that set. 
  dev-lang/nasm

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[gentoo-user] Re: eix-test-obolete

2008-05-13 Thread reader
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I think you should, as long as nothing system-critical is listed, and
 emerge shouts loudly about removing those.


I think your are probably right...

 For example, one of the listed pkgs is:
 
   gnome-base/libgnomeui
 
 which equery says `firefox' and `etherape' depend on.

 equery depends is unreliable as it doesn't take proper account of USE
 dependencies. What's the worst that can happen if you unmerge libgnomeui?
 Probably that you can't start a GNOME desktop until it is re-emerged. As
 long as you don't unmerge anything fro system and you run a deep world
 update after a depclean, preferably followed by a revdep-rebuild, you
 should be OK.

I don't even use gnome desktop at all ... I'm a kde fan.  So I guess I
should get it done...

Its good to have confirmed that `equery depends' is not that
reliable... I'd developed that apprehension a while ago.

I somehow doubt that firefox will cease to work if I unmerge
libgnomeui.

So here goes nothing... 

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[gentoo-user] Re: eix-test-obolete

2008-05-13 Thread reader
Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, 13 May 2008 11:46:26 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Another possibility is that ypou merged them with the --oneshot
option, or that they were pulled in as a dependency of a package you
no longer have (or has been updated to a version that is no longer
dependent on them). What does emerge --depclean -p show?
  
   Along with dire warnings about ruining your system it lists 80 pkgs to
   be removed.  Some are also on the eix-test-obsolete list of 14.
  
   I suspect I had better not allow it to actually remove these pkgs.

  I think you should, as long as nothing system-critical is listed, and
  emerge shouts loudly about removing those.


 On a long list of packages to be cleaned I find it comforting to use
 emerge -C package1 package2 package3
 and watch closely so that nothing system oriented gets taken out.

 I've made the mistake of doing 
  emerge --depclean on a long list of
 files and then having a system that was hard to fix.

 Just my take on being careful.


Sound advice... I too have got in trouble doing that... hence my
chicken pucky approach this time.

A step up from your advice (on a really long list) is to do it with a
list in a file. Then `for jj in `cat list`' loop down the list with
`if [[ $jj =~ regex ]]'  using the -a flag to emerge.  At least getting
a group of several at a time.

I once had to clean up a borrowed gentoo vmappliance and rebuild it to
my liking...  There were very long lists during that process.

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[gentoo-user] conntrack and the netfilter howto

2008-05-11 Thread reader
I'm trying to bone up on netfilter, iptables, conntrack etc etc.

Using the howto at:
  
http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Iptables_and_stateful_firewalls#Firewall_design_basics

Early on after describing how to generate a netfilter enabled kernel,
the author has this to say:

If you've already rebooted and are using your new netfilter-enabled
kernel, you can view a list of active network connections that your
machine is participating in by typing

   cat /proc/net/ip_conntrack

Even with no firewall configured, Linux's conntrack functionality is
working behind the scenes, keeping track of the connections that your
machine is participating in

That file is not present on my setup.  I'm guessing it may have been
renamed since the howto was written... maybe to `nf_conntrack'.  But in
the files listed in /proc/net... I don't see the behavior described.

Maybe someone can tell me what has changed or what is missing...

ls /proc/net:

arp ip_tables_matches  netlink  ptype
softnet_stat
arp_tables_matches  ip_tables_namesnetstat  raw
stat
arp_tables_namesip_tables_targets  nf_conntrack route
tcp
arp_tables_targets  ipt_hashlimit  nf_conntrack_expect  rt_acct
udp
dev ipt_recent packet   rt_cache
udplite
dev_mcast   mcfilter   pnp  snmp
unix
igmpnetfilter  protocolssockstat

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[gentoo-user] Where is elog documentation

2008-05-06 Thread reader
Where do I learn how to use elog?

googling with `site:gentoo.org elog' only turned up forum
conversations.  And bug reports...
Is there no HOWTO about elog?

`man portage' and search on elog shows nothing whatever.

Isn't the elog stuff part of portage?

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[gentoo-user] Using package.use

2008-05-04 Thread reader
In man portage I see examples of using package.use

Its listed with address  /etc/portage/package.use and shows usage like
this:

some/package:useflag(to add a specific use flag)

I want to subtract a use flag so trying:

   (tried with and without quotes just in case the dash (-) was not
acceptable unquoted:

net-analyzer/tcpdump:-samba
net-analyzer/tcpdump:-samba

Neither way appears to have an effect on
emerge -vuDNp tcpdump

It still comes up with positive samba use flag.  And then when actual
emerging is done, dire warnings are given about using `samba' use
flag.

I'd hoped to use package.use so as not to have to mess with tcpcump
individualy.

Is my syntax wrong or some other problem?

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[gentoo-user] Re: [off-topic] Hello all!

2008-05-04 Thread reader
Akselii [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Any tips or tricks for me?

tip # 1: You will get much better results asking something specific
 and maybe some details of what yov've tried.
 

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[gentoo-user] Re: Using package.use

2008-05-04 Thread reader
Kenneth Prugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 net-analyzer/tcpdump:-samba
 net-analyzer/tcpdump:-samba
 
 Neither way appears to have an effect on
 emerge -vuDNp tcpdump

[...]

 try:
 net-analyzer/tcpdump -samba

It works ... thanks .. I was confused with this info which is
apparently really about something else


lines 560-592 of 630
[...]
 Format:
 - comments begin with #
 - package:use flag - description

 Example:
 app-editors/nano:justify - Toggles the justify
 option
 dev-libs/DirectFB:fusion - Adds Multi Application
 support
 games-emulation/xmess:net - Adds network support

[...]

To be fair it also shows the syntax you showed in another section.

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[gentoo-user] Re: New eth.0/openrc setup - I'm confused

2008-05-02 Thread reader
Adam Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Do this;
 /etc/init.d/net.eth0 stop
 - verify the interface is down, if its not maybe just 'ifconfig eth0 down' it
 /etc/init.d/net.eth0 zap
 /etc/init.d/net.eth0 start

A reboot cured the problem... It now works like one would expect.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Network manager for laptop

2008-05-02 Thread reader
Albert Hopkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Enterprise WPA or whatever it's called.  I haven't been able to log in,
 but a workmate of mine installed a fresh copy of Hardy Heron and it
 worked the first time.  I haven't really had the time/interest to figure
 out why it wasn't working on my Gentoo laptop.

Is it likely to be a kenel module involved?

Maybe have your pal lsmod and send it to you to compare with your
lsmod. 

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[gentoo-user] Re: smoothest way to jump from 2006 to 2008

2008-05-01 Thread reader
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 vi was written by Bill Joy
 Bill Joy wrote lots of good stuff in BSD
  Our favourite OS owes a lot to BSD
 using vi pays homage to those magnificent BSD'ers of old

I second all the vi accolades.

I like the fact that Bill Joy was horribly drunk when he wrote the
bulk of vi.  vi is a very powerfull editor.

I'll probably cause Alan to never help me again but I will admit I
mostly use vim when the OS is pretty finished.

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[gentoo-user] Re: smoothest way to jump from 2006 to 2008

2008-05-01 Thread reader
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 All kde all gnome all xorg for example, before update world.

 It seems fine in theory, but every time I've done it in real life I get 
 into deep dependency trees that take more time to sort out than simply 
 emerging world first.

 The trouble seems to be that it's easy to spot the high level packages 
 that bring in all their DEPENDS - things like kde,gnome,xorg-x11. It's 
 harder to spot the dependencies that want to bring everything back in 
 again. kde is easy - the string 'kde' shows up in most of the names. 
 gnome is harder as the names are much more randomly chosen.

It is turning into a hefty time sink but I doubt it would take less
time to grind out update world.  And in this case I want to get rid of
all x related stuff for good.

I've found (just now) that using revdep-rebuild --pretend and then
going thru the list and emerge -vC parent packages or in some cases
emerge -v them will eventually get you a pretty clean start for build
world.

But in my case it was made a very lot easier by knowing in advance I
wanted no media related gnome, kde, xorg type stuff.

It meant I could run stuff like:

 for ii in $(eix -Ic |grep x11-|awk '/^\[/{print $2}' |sort)
 do 
   emerge  -avC $ii; done
 done

Insert media-app, plugin, kde, gnome in the grep part and walk thru
using `ask' in case something needs to be left alone.

Then following up with several runs at revdep-rebuild as cited above.

That has taken a while.. several hours... but wouldn't such big update
world have taken at least a day?

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[gentoo-user] Re: smoothest way to jump from 2006 to 2008

2008-05-01 Thread reader
Brandon Mintern [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Call me old school, but that method never takes me more than a few
 minutes to do. I am also someone in the vim camp. It fires up quickly

Unless you are updating a vmappliance built on old (even for 2006)
2006 pkgs to current 2008 pkgs.

I know this is a monster thread but making that big a jump is what is
being discussed.

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[gentoo-user] checking for.....

2008-05-01 Thread reader
In the middle of doing a major upgrade from very old pkgs to current
2008 and compiling lots and lots of stuff.

Seeing that line `checking for WHATEVER' go by 486,211 times so far
makes me wonder if there wouldn't be someway to cache all those
answers somewhere so whatever test is done for each line could be
dispensed with for most of them.  Probably would need more than 2-3
compiles to have all but rare ones answered.

Some items really check a lot of things.

I think it would be a major time saver when discussing huge numbers
of compiles.


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[gentoo-user] compiling a module after the fact

2008-05-01 Thread reader
I thought I remembered someway to compile a single module after the
fact that didn't involve recompiling everthing... but just now I
entered the usr/src/linux directory and edited .config adding the
sshfs FUSE module.

when I ran `make'  I see it grinding thru the whole thing again.  Is
that normal?

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[gentoo-user] re-appearance of `waiting for lock' bug?

2008-05-01 Thread reader
updating from an old 2006 pkg based install to latest 2008 and have
gotten pretty far along... right now emerging udev in an
  emerge -vuDN system
command.

The emerge is hung at:

  Calculating dependencies... done!
  [ebuild U ] sys-fs/udev-120 [087-r1] USE=(-selinux) 0 kB
  
  Total: 1 package (1 upgrade), Size of downloads: 0 kB
  
   Verifying ebuild Manifests...
  
   Emerging (1 of 1) sys-fs/udev-120 to /
  waiting for lock on /var/tmp/portage/sys-fs/.udev-120.portage_lockfile

And has been there a good while.

Looking at the bugs I see it mentioned but says it was fixed quite
sometime ago.

Any suggestions of how to get past this item and on with updating world?

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[gentoo-user] Re: re-appearance of `waiting for lock' bug?

2008-05-01 Thread reader
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Ctrl-C to kill the emerge and 
 rm /var/tmp/portage/sys-fs/.udev-120.portage_lockfile

Egad and how many times have done that in other situations...

I tried emerge -vC udev followed by emerge -v udev

No help

Its just udev-120 that does this.

Before seeing your post I backed up to udev-119 and went right thru.
So must still be something a little off there.

However I emerged udev again and deleted the lock file as recommended
and 120 went right thru.

120 must be the first version that concerns itself with lock files.

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[gentoo-user] Re: checking for.....

2008-05-01 Thread reader
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 You are expecting autoconf to actually do something sane when it runs???

 Har har.
 You must be new here.

hehe... no not new... you'd never know it by the questions I ask but
I've been running linux since redhat 3 series circa 1995-6 or so.

I probably shouldn't admit it though..  It seems like there are
getting to be sharper and sharper newish users here.

Just a very slow learner... or as some have said... not the sharpest tool
in the shed.

But thinking it over a bit after the other response I can see where it
would be really difficult to cache that output I hadn't really
considered that packages may change the answers frequently.

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[gentoo-user] New eth.0/openrc setup - I'm confused

2008-05-01 Thread reader
After updating to 2008 pkgset after merging openrc  I lost the
net.eth0 link.. I see other have seen this and even at least 2 bug
reports but the cure is said to be recreating by hand.

I find that not to work... DETAILS:

First, net.lo is itself a symlink to /lib/rc/sh/net.sh, so I'm
creating a symlink to a symlink... ok so far.

once its created (net.eth0 as symlink to net.lo) the usual commands
for stopping or checking status etc don't work.

/etc/init.d/net.eth0 start/stop/status  gives me results that appear
not to have anything to do with reality.

 # /etc/init.d/net.eth0 restart
 * ERROR: net.eth0 has been stopped by something else

 # /etc/init.d/net.eth0 start
 * WARNING: net.eth0 has already been started

meantime netstat indicates no changes at all.. eth0 is up throughout.

So what is the correct procedure here?

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[gentoo-user] Re: New eth.0/openrc setup - I'm confused

2008-05-01 Thread reader
Albert Hopkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 So what is the correct procedure here?

 Did you try

 # /etc/init.d/net.eth0 zap

It has no effect whatsoever:

  root # /etc/init.d/net.eth0 zap
  * Manually resetting net.eth0 to stopped state

(In fact it is not stopped I can ping www.gentoo)

  root # /etc/init.d/net.eth0 start
   * ERROR: net.eth0 has been started by something else

  root # /etc/init.d/net.eth0 stop
   * WARNING: net.eth0 is already stopped

(In fact it is not stopped... ping works)

All the while netstat and ifconfig report eth0 to be up and in fact a
viable connection is in place throughout.

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[gentoo-user] Re: smoothest way to jump from 2006 to 2008

2008-04-30 Thread reader
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


[...]

 I cannot seem to get past a kernel panic that appears to be expecting
 an intramfs (You may remember this from a previous thread)  After
 hand rolling 3 different kernels and trying genkernal all its all
 ended in the same kernel panic.

 Yes, I remember it well.

 So tryin to slip in the back way I found a gentoo vmware
 appliance online .. downloaded and fired it up on vista.  It boots
 and runs with no problems.  Only thing is it is built on 2006 package
 set.

 What kernel does it use? I would rather update that vm's kernel to the 
 latest available and see if that boots properly. If so, move forward 
 and update the rest of the system. I reason that kernel panics on boot 
 concern only the boot loader and kernel and have nothing to do with 
 user-space, so you should concentrate on the more relevant bits.

2.6.16-r13 and yes as usual you've cut right to a good way to get this
resolved.  Wish I had thought of it.

I think I'll try to stop in the middle here and try that very thing.

I'm in the middle of update world dealing with blockages... I got past
the bash portage blocker by doing the no-no 

 emerge -vC bash... 

Then hand building bash and inserting a package.provided listing a
higher version of bash.  After symlinking /usr/local/bin/bash to
/bin/sh and /bin/bash the portage tools seem to work ok.

Instead of the much smarter way you laid out.

I did try the --nodeps route you suggest but probably not in the
smarter order you laid out.  I've lost track now what all I tried

I probably could have just did the package-provided without 
emerge -vC bash ... another dumb, with possible later repercussions, move.

But now that blockage is solved... I'm getting a failure in the
dependancy gpm when I try to emerge -vu portage.

I've included that failure message at the end.  Right now I think I'll
try with --nodeps and if portage installs ok... I'll try emerging and
building a more recent kernel and see if is still boots.


 I also think it's time to bring out the big guns with all the data. 
 Could you reply and attach the vmware config files for the non-working 
 vm, plus the .config file for that kernel in the vm?

 I strongly suspect you have a simple incompatibility between the 
 hardware vmware provides that vm and how the kernel is configured.

Er... it may be a bit late for that...since I trashed the 3 gentoo
based installs I had been working with.  I discovered ubuntu 8.0.4
install media produced a working vmware install of ubuntu.  But only
after ditching their desktop install that makes things much harder by
making it nearly impossible to get to a root shell from the gui mess.

They have it setup where you cannot create a root login and must rely
on sudo... in my case sudo would fail with a relolution of host
problem before I could run any commands.  Rather than try to wade thru
that mess.I found there 8.0.4-server install and was able to get a
working install I've now built up with apt-get.

The ubuntu kernel that is working is their:
2,6,24-server 
kernel.

I have it operational now but I really miss portage... thats why I
tried sneaking in the back way with a gentoo appliance.

[...] snipped outline of method to resolve blockage bash = portage

Thanks for the nifty walk thru..  At this moment in the current gentoo
install, I'm going to see if using --nodeps will get portage updated
then try a newer kernel and see if it still boots.


emerge -vu portage ends with this faiure while emerging dependancies:

unpack gpm-1.20.3.tar.lzma: file format not recognized. Ignoring.
/usr/portage/sys-libs/gpm/gpm-1.20.3.ebuild: line 24: cd:
/var/tmp/portage/gpm-1.20.3/work/gpm-1.20.3: No such file or directory
 * Applying gpm-1.20.3-no-emacs-dir.patch ...

 * Failed Patch: gpm-1.20.3-no-emacs-dir.patch !
 *  ( /usr/portage/sys-libs/gpm/files/gpm-1.20.3-no-emacs-dir.patch )
 *
 * Include in your bugreport the contents of:
 *
 *   /var/tmp/portage/gpm-1.20.3/temp/gpm-1.20.3-no-emacs-dir.patch-16246.out


!!! ERROR: sys-libs/gpm-1.20.3 failed.
Call stack:
  ebuild.sh, line 1539:   Called dyn_unpack
  ebuild.sh, line 711:   Called src_unpack
  gpm-1.20.3.ebuild, line 25:   Called epatch
  '/usr/portage/sys-libs/gpm/files/gpm-1.20.3-no-emacs-dir.patch'
  eutils.eclass, line 324:   Called die

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[gentoo-user] Re: smoothest way to jump from 2006 to 2008

2008-04-30 Thread reader
Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 eix-sync
 eix-test-obsolete
 emerge -pvDuN --with-bdeps=y world
 emerge -p --depclean

-p --depclean tells me:

  !!! You have no system list.

What does that mean?


Also:
   emerge -pvDuN --with-bdeps=y world

neither man emerge nor man portage show any hits on bdeps.

Where can I find out what it does?

Here it just errors out like this:

!!! Error: --with-bdeps=y is an invalid option.

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[gentoo-user] Re: smoothest way to jump from 2006 to 2008

2008-04-30 Thread reader
Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 11:08 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


  eix-sync
   eix-test-obsolete
   emerge -pvDuN --with-bdeps=y world
   emerge -p --depclean

  -p --depclean tells me:

   !!! You have no system list.

  What does that mean?

 That someone above my pay grade will have to answer your question.



  Also:

emerge -pvDuN --with-bdeps=y world

  neither man emerge nor man portage show any hits on bdeps.

  Where can I find out what it does?

  Here it just errors out like this:

  !!! Error: --with-bdeps=y is an invalid option.


 What version of portage are you running?

root # eix -Ic portage
[U] sys-apps/portage ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/20/06 - (~)2.1.5_rc6)

As I mentioned early on in this thread.  I'm working with an out of
date 2006 based vmappliance, due to inablity to get a bootable vmware
install of gentoo-2008 based to work.

I have a bootable vmware appliance of gentoo (hosted on vista) that
works so am trying to update it.

[...]

 QUOTE
 --with-bdeps  y | n 

Thanks

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[gentoo-user] Re: smoothest way to jump from 2006 to 2008

2008-04-30 Thread reader
Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 eix-sync
 eix-test-obsolete
 emerge -pvDuN --with-bdeps=y world
 emerge -p --depclean
 emerge -pvDuN --with-bdeps=y world
 revdep-rebuild -p
 eix-test-obsolete

 Assuming everything is totally clean, or at least understood, now I
 change the profile and repeat the above tasks.

What does it mean or what is called for if eix-test-obsolete returns
hundreds of packages?

Installed packages with a version not in the database (or masked):

[U] app-admin/eselect ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/21/06 - (~*)1.0.11-r1): Modular
-config replacement utility

[...]

[U] x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/24/06 - (~*)2.22.0): GNOME
2 default icon themes
[D] x11-themes/hicolor-icon-theme ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/24/06 - ??): Fallback 
theme
for the freedesktop icon theme specifica\
tion
[U] x11-wm/twm ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/21/06 - (~*)1.0.4): X.Org twm application

*** Found 348 matches.  [emphasis addded -ed]



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[gentoo-user] Re: smoothest way to jump from 2006 to 2008

2008-04-30 Thread reader
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


[...]

 -p --depclean tells me:

   !!! You have no system list.

 What does that mean?

 Trouble, big trouble.

 Does /etc/make.profile point to an actual existing profile? That's the 
 only thing I can think of that takes system away. It's defined in the 
 various files named packages in the profile directories.

Yes it pointed to 2007 and was set with eselect profile set
But anyway emerge tells you immediately when there is no profile.

But there is good news... and it harks back to your second post on
this monster thread:

[...]

Harry  wrote:
 One blockage that looks to be particularly troublesome is:
 Portage blocking bash

 bash blocking portage.

Alan replied:
 That's a nasty one and you quite rightly don't want to unmerge portage 
 or bash. The trick is to do it in several stages:

 First look at portage:

[...]


 Recent portages want any bash =bash-3.2_p17, but you can't use the most 
 recent bash (3.2_p33) as that blocks the portage you have. So, do it 
 manually:

 1. emerge --nodeps bash-3.2_p17-r1
 2. emerge --nodeps portage
 3. emerge bash
 4. emerge world

 The --nodeps is there to stop portage updating other stuff that 
 conflicts with what you are trying to do.

 Once this is done, you will still have the python/python-updater blocker 
 to deal with, but I seem to recall posting on that earlier

That list error occurred prior to getting your above suggestion done.
At that point emerge -vup system  or really an emerge -u showed a
about 12-15 blockages including portage and bash

Once I followed the recipe above all that disappeared along with the
list error.   I think that older version of portage was really what
was causing most of the trouble.

At this point I have profile set to 2008-server and have completed an
eix-sync with that profile active.   I've now also trimmed the use list
in make.conf down removing any x related ones and only using a few I
know I want and a few left from the prior list that looked harmless.
Also added a few `-' ones to be sure.  (I hate maildir for example.)

grep USE /etc/make.conf:

USE= -arts -X -xorg -maildir  
mbox emacs logrotate readline samba smb usb zlib

Some may be redundant  there.. but I doubt any will get me in trouble.

I've test run emerge -vuDNp world and see no blockages.

I'd like to get rid of a bunch of X stuff but not really sure how best
to go at it.  I really don't want to set thru the grinding of kde and
really don't want X at all on this vmware.

Would it work to that end if I edit the world file removing x related
apps before running emerge -vuDNp world and with the new use flags in
place. 

Or will that leave herds of stuff on board?

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[gentoo-user] Re: smoothest way to jump from 2006 to 2008

2008-04-30 Thread reader
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 [2] vi /var/lib/portage/world

What if I emerge -vC all I know I don't want.

All kde all gnome all xorg for example, before update world.

I was hoping to accomplish much the same thing by editing world.  But
strangely I see only  a few candidates to delete (marked with
asterisks):

/var/lib/portage/world:
app-admin/eselect
app-admin/sysklogd
app-editors/emacs
app-editors/vim
app-misc/screen
** app-office/openoffice-bin
app-portage/eix
app-portage/gentoolkit
** kde-base/kde
net-misc/dhcpcd
sys-apps/slocate
sys-boot/grub
sys-devel/gdb
sys-kernel/gentoo-sources
** www-client/seamonkey
** x11-drivers/xf86-input-keyboard
** x11-drivers/xf86-input-mouse
** x11-drivers/xf86-video-fbdev
** x11-drivers/xf86-video-vesa
** x11-drivers/xf86-video-vga
** x11-drivers/xf86-video-vmware

However eix -I shows a whole bunch of kde packages.  Not to mention
piles of other stuff not mentioned in `world'.

Looks like emerge -vC ???, in conjunction with `2' would seriously cut
down the build time even if I didn't weed out everything on the first
pass.

Or will I likely hit a nightmare of dependency problems if I happen to
emerge -vC the wrong library or whatever.

I'm willing to chase down equery depends to a degree but not really
thoroughly.  That would take most of the remainder of my lifetime.


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[gentoo-user] smoothest way to jump from 2006 to 2008

2008-04-29 Thread reader
I'd like to jump an 2006 install up to 2008.  I've never made that big
an update without a fresh install.

What is the smoothest way to do it?

How might I manage to change the current profile from x86/2006 to
x86/2008

That option is of course not available currently at
/usr/portage/profiles.


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[gentoo-user] Re: smoothest way to jump from 2006 to 2008

2008-04-29 Thread reader
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I'd like to jump an 2006 install up to 2008.  I've never made that
 big an update without a fresh install.

 There's no such thing as a 2006 install. What does exist, is the 
 collection of packages that were on the LiveCDs released in 2006. It's 

symantics...

Here is the story behind my phraseology...  I've tried 4-5 times to
build a vmware gentoo install hosted on vista home premium. Using 2008
install media.

I cannot seem to get past a kernel panic that appears to be expecting
an intramfs (You may remember this from a previous thread)  After hand
rolling 3 different kernels and trying genkernal all its all ended
in the same kernel panic.

So tryin to slip in the back way I found a gentoo vmware appliance
online .. downloaded and fired it up on vista.  It boots and runs with
no problems.  Only thing is it is built on 2006 package set.

I want to update .. rebuild ... renew ... go forward to ... advance
upon .. [or some other preferred terminology] the 2008 pkg set, and
not loose the ability to boot the vmware gentoo os on a vista host..

So far I've sinced and upped the profile to 2007 and am now working
toward update world... there are a number of packages blocking others
so I'm working my way thru those right now.

I think I can get to 2007 by hook or by crook but I'm leary that those
kernels are going to break the vmware bootability on vista... we'll
see.

One blockage that looks to be particularly troublesome is:
Portage blocking bash

bash blocking portage.

Usually I've found with blockages... I can unmerge one of the
offenders and get on with update world.

Unmerging portage is obviously a non-starter and I suspect unmerging
bash will have serious repercussions too.  I thought I might emerge
ksh and make it roots shell then unmerge bash and see if I can proceed
with update world, and get bash back further along.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Grub heartbreaker

2008-04-26 Thread reader
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Saturday 26 April 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This is turning into a big time sink that I don't really have so I'll
 probably just use cygwin stuff to get some unix tools onto vista.

 But first, are you running gentoo in a vmware on vista?

 I was just starting to think you might be friend material. Then you go 
 and mention me and Vista in a positive sense in the same sentence. I 
 shall now have to send some of the lads around to your place with 
 baseball bats.

Ok, but you should know that when my great granddad migrated from
Sicily he changed his name from Putnamino to Putnam.  Yeah, thats
right ... think Harry the Bull.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Grub heartbreaker

2008-04-26 Thread reader
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Friday 25 April 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So, I'm thinking it probably won't do any real good to monkey around
 with the kernel either, if the initramfs thing isn't the problem them
 it seems likely to be a vista problem.

 The kernel is exactly where you should be monkeying. I reckon you have a 
 driver you need compiled in and it's a module because of the make 
 allconfig.

My goal here was to get unix/linux onto a vmware running on a vista
laptop.

I decided to try an Ubantu install after several failures with
gentoo.  Ubantu installed and fired right up...  I guess I'll have to get
used to Ubantu now, at least on this vista vmware guest.

I wanted text console but that appears somewhat complicated to achieve
in an Ubantu install... probably some way to do it but I'm just going
to go with defaults and use the tools I need from a commandline.

I'll be visting the ubantu lists some... I suppose.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Grub heartbreaker

2008-04-25 Thread reader
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 The kernel is exactly where you should be monkeying. I reckon you have a 
 driver you need compiled in and it's a module because of the make 
 allconfig.

I went thru the makeconfig carefully.  Even disallowing an early item
allowing intramfs boot,  built a kernel .

But still get the exact same kernel panic looking like it wants an
intramfs. 

I've started looking around on vmware forums and finding some
discussion and alleged fixes but the first one failed so far.

This is turning into a big time sink that I don't really have so I'll
probably just use cygwin stuff to get some unix tools onto vista.

But first, are you running gentoo in a vmware on vista?

It wasn't clear in the thread if you were or not... or maybe I missed
it. 

If not Alan, is anyone here running gentoo as guest in a vmware on
vista? 

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[gentoo-user] Grub heartbreaker

2008-04-24 Thread reader
Just when I began to think I knew a thing or two about grub I'm
finding I am failing to get a working grub.conf going on a new
install. 

True, the install is inside a vmware machine on windows vista but that
has not presented a problem in previous versions of windows and it
does not appear to be host OS related anyway.

When I attempt to boot, instead of the normal selection one expects
from grub I get the grub command line.

So assuming I've made some mistake in grub.conf  I try to boot from
grub command line.

  root = (hd0,0)  (which is /dev/sda1 in linux terms)

  kernel /kernel-2.6.25-r1

boot

But it fails with a message saying please append a working root=?? to
the boot commands.

So reloading the install ISO I mount /mnt/gentoo/boot and edit 
grub.conf to say:

title=kernel-2.6.25-r1
root (hd0,0)
kernel /kernel-2.6.25-r1 root=/dev/sda3

That fails
   kernel /kernel-2.6.25-r1 root=/dev/hda3 (Thinking maybe grub
   does not understand sda)

That Fails

  kernel /kernel-2.6.25-r1 root=(hd0)/sda3

Fails

I've even tried:
   kernel /kernel-2.6.25-r1 root=(hd0,2)

And another failure... all with the same message about appending a
working `root=???'

I'm about out of ideas here.

With the livecd for 2008.1 running, saying:

   mount /dev/sda3 /mnt/gentoo 
and
   mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/gentoo/boot

Does mount those devices as expected.

Inside the grub command line when trying to boot the new install
   root (hd0,0)  
does find the root partition and tell me its exf2fs.

  kernel /kerntab 

Does complete to `/kernel-2.6.25-r1'

I'm not getting where the problem is.



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[gentoo-user] Re: Grub heartbreaker

2008-04-24 Thread reader
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Thursday 24 April 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So assuming I've made some mistake in grub.conf  I try to boot from
 grub command line.

   root = (hd0,0)  (which is /dev/sda1 in linux terms)

   kernel /kernel-2.6.25-r1

 Nope. Kernel needs a root=device parameter. It can't know what is your 
 root partition, that info is in fstab and fstab is on the root 
 partition.So you tell it via a parameter


[...]

   kernel /kernel-2.6.25-r1 root=(hd0)/sda3

 Fails

 Won't work. (hd0) is a grub thing. You need a /dev/sda3 or similar in
 there

I think you are wrong about that.  But just a fine point and not
central to the problem. 
For example I know for sure you can use the grub notation at the
kernel address like:

  kernel (hd0,0)/kernel-XX

At least I know for sure it was possible at one time.. I haven't
actully used that notation in grub for quite a while.  I do have that
notation as the address for the splash image in several working
grub.confs. (like splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz)


[...]


 So reloading the install ISO I mount /mnt/gentoo/boot and edit
 grub.conf to say:

 title=kernel-2.6.25-r1
 root (hd0,0)
 kernel /kernel-2.6.25-r1 root=/dev/sda3

 That fails
kernel /kernel-2.6.25-r1 root=/dev/hda3 (Thinking maybe grub
does not understand sda)

 Nothing to do with grub. It's a kernel boot parameter passed verbatim to 
 the kernel and needs valid kernel device names.

 What's the error you get? Is (hd0,0) a separate /boot? Does it contain a 
 file called kernel-2.6.25-r1 at the top level? And you also should have 
 a ro kernel parameter in there

Using your point from above (but as I've posted, in the actual
grub.conf I do have a legitimate kernel device appended.

The latest attempt brings me to a grub command line as posted so
grub.conf didn't work.

So to give more meaning-full errors I will list my steps and the output
below including a screen shot of the kernel-panic error message

At grub prompt:

  grub root (hd0.0)
(That works and indicates an ext2fs)

  grub kernel /kernel-2.6.25-r1 root=/dev/sda3
(This also works as noted by using completion at `/ktab')

  grub boot
  
In the screen shot provided note that it appears grub is expecting an
intramfs and only lists those types of devices, rejecting both 
(hd0,0) and /dev/sda3.

  http://www.jtan.com/~reader/vu/disp.cgi

 here's a working grub.conf for illustration:

 default 0
 timeout 10
 splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz

 title   Default
 root(hd0,0)
 kernel  /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda3 ro

 title   Gentoo-2.6.25
 root(hd0,0)
 kernel  /vmlinuz-2.6.25-gentoo root=/dev/sda3 ro

 Seems my setup is identical to yours:
 /boot on /dev/sda1 aka (hd0,0) to grub
 / on /dev/sda3

 Only difference is the ro boot parameter, which shouldn't make a 
 difference - it's there for fsck purposes during start-up.


Yes, I fdisked the `virtual' disk into boot=/dev/sda1 root=/dev/sda3

 What disk driver and disks do you have? Are you 100% sure you are either 
 using the new ata driver (everything is an sd) or have scsi/sata disks? 
 If your disk is IDE with the old driver, it will be an hd and will 
 require that on the kernel line

I'm not really sure about all this, its on a brand new gateway laptop
running Vista Home Premium on core 2 dua processor T5550

The system information tool doesn't give the type of harddisk but does
shwo goose eggs at a scsi listing... and its very unlikely to be scsi
anyway.

Device manager doesn't do any better.  Under Disk drives it just gives
the brand (Western Digital) and the model number:
 WDC WD2500BEVS-22USTO

I don't think that part number is a scsi part number.

I don't know any other ways to tell if its Sata or IDE but I think its
IDE. 

I did mention in OP that this intall is inside a vmware machine hosted
on Vista Home Premium OS.  The `virutal' disk is seen as scsi hence
the /dev/sda notations.

(Vmware workstation 6.5)
In the vmware harware settings its listed as 12 GB scsi disc.

My current grub.conf:

  default 0
  timeout 5
  splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz

  title=kernel-2.6.25-r1-0x31a-1280x1024
  root (hd0,0)
  kernel /kernel-2.6.25-r1 root=/dev/sda3

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[gentoo-user] Re: Grub heartbreaker

2008-04-24 Thread reader
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Aah, now I see. It's one of two things, and neither is your 
 grub.conf. That's the kernel spitting that garbage at you, so your 
 grub.conf is just fine. You have either:

 1. Compiled in the need for an initrd and have not supplied one, or
 2. (more likely) you do not have support for your chipset, ata and/or 
 root filesystem compiled into the kernel (NOT as modules). VFS: Unable 
 to mount root fs is almost invariable due to this

 Do you want to use an initrd, or due the highly customized thing and 
 dispense with it?

OK, let me explain a bit.  I started compiling a kernel for this
install and somehow missed something important for filesystems.  (I
don't remember what now) during make menuconfig.

Rather than keep plugging away with menuconfig I ran `genkernel all'
which I have done many times.  It always produces an intramfs but I
have simpley ignored and deleted from /boot.  Went ahead with the 
very same grub.conf as posted in this thread. (With different
devices), and never had any trouble with the kernel demanding an
intramfs.   My take was that if you don't tell the OS to use an
intramfs in grub.conf then it doesn't... no harm no foul.

So maybe in version 2008.1 when one uses `genkernel all' something is
compiled into the kernel causing it to `need' an intramfs.  If that
is the case it will be a new phenomena since I have, as stated, used
genkernel and ignored the resulting initramfs many times.

I guess a simple test would be to insert the intramfs options and see
if it works.

If so then I will redo the kernel with makemenuconfig and eventually
get a working kernel with no initramfs baloney.

 Reader, do you have an XP machine with VMWare where you could copy
 through
 vmware gust over to and try? If that succeeds I'd have to conclude
 it's
 YANVO (yet another nefarious vista obstruction)

I do and was hoping to avoid that very thing.. I too thought of that.
I can do it but it will mean horsing several GB across the network
then monkeying around with changed udev stuff that inevitably occurs
when you move a VM install.  Then back across the network and more
udev stuff...  I think I remember how to get by that but would rather
solve it in place.

For now I guess I'll test and see if adding initramfs to grub.conf works.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Grub heartbreaker

2008-04-24 Thread reader
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Something seems to have changed with 2.6.25, more so than normal for new 
 versions. For instance, b43 refuses point blank to work here or do 
 anything remotely useful like a nice driver should. b43legacy doesn't 
 work either. They both work with earlier versions although performance 
 sucks. I was hoping that this would be the version where I could dump 
 ndiswrapper. Maybe next time...

 Let us know how you get on with a custom config

I haven't gotten that far yet, since I decided to try adding intramfs
lines to grub.conf and see if it would then work  It didn't but
then I'm not really sure what is supposed to go there where you want
to boot off an initramfs.

I tried these lines I found by googling at site:gentoo.org:
 (the part between the asterisks below)

  default 0
  timeout 5
  splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
  
  
  title=kernel-2.6.25-r1-0x31a-1280x1024
  root (hd0,0)
  ## **
  kernel /kernel-2.6.25-r1 root=/dev/ram0 init=/linuxrc ramdisk=8192
  real_root=/dev/sda3 udev
  ## **

I was a little doubtful about `init=/linuxrc' since that appears to be
saying it initialize from a file at /boot/linuxrc.  I don't have such
a file there, but all the examples I found seems to include that bit,
including in this thread.

At any rate it did not work and produced the same error as already
posted.

So, I'm thinking it probably won't do any real good to monkey around
with the kernel either, if the initramfs thing isn't the problem them
it seems likely to be a vista problem.

However you and others have mentioned having the right drivers for the
harddrive.  How can I tell if I have the right drivers?

And are we talking about something in the vmware settings or do you mean
loading the right modules or building certain drivers into the kernel?

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[gentoo-user] Re: [OT vmware] Networking Gentoo as guest on vista

2008-04-23 Thread reader
Etaoin Shrdlu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Tuesday 22 April 2008, 17:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


[...]

 Which version of vmware? Workstation of server? I assume server in the 
 following.

Your detailed explanation about bridged verses nat has answered my
questions in full.

I add this information to answer your questions:

Worstation 6.5

[...]

 What setting did you choose for guest networking when creating the 
 virtual machine? bridged or NAT?

I tried both but didn't really understand how NAT worked until I read
your detailed description.

My first try with bridged seems to have auto bridged to the wrong
device on the host (the ethernet adaptor instead of wireless
connection) and so the network I created using ifconfig and route
didn't work.

I see now that bridged is what I want and have insured that auto
bridging connects to the right connection on the host.

[...]

 Basically, NAT creates a private network . . . . . . . . . 
[...]

Thank for that thorough explanation.

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[gentoo-user] Re: net-setup package

2008-04-23 Thread reader
Net Warrior [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 HI there guys.
 I've already installed gentoo, and wanting to setup the ethernet , trying to
 use net-setup seems not to be installed, which package do I nneed to install
 in order to have this util?
 It seems I missed something.

 Thanks for your time and support.
 Greets,

The net-setup tool is on the install cd.  Not sure if its a separate
installable utility in portage.. but an `eix' search of the portage
database comes up empty.

The way I do is establish a network running the install image cd or
iso then transfer those settings to the actual install.

But if you've already moved to the fresh install you should be able to
setup the ethernet by hand with `ifconfig' and `route'.

Then put those setting into /etc/conf.d/net
/etc/conf.d/domainname
/etc/resolv.conf

For manual setup:
   (assuming eth0 is the device you are going to use)

ifconfig eth0 my.ip.address (in numeric notation like 192.168.0.2) up
route add default gw my.gateway.addr (in numeric notation)

(if /etc/resolv.conf does not already contain a nameserver to use)

   echo nameserver my.nameserver.address  /etc/resolv.conf

And finally, if all goes well.. complete the setup so that it starts
on bootup with rc-update
  
  rc-update add net.eth0 default  (to add it to the default run level)

See if that gets you going...

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[gentoo-user] root password on 2008.1-i686 minimal install

2008-04-23 Thread reader
I'm unable to log in as root on the installer OS  for 2008.1_beta iso.

I see nothing telling me what the root password is but the installer
prompts me for a username and password.   When logging in as root
fails I'm eventually logged in as user `gentoo' but can do none of the
things necessary to create an install.

This seem pretty ridiculous so I'm pretty sure I'm missing some note
or something.

Starting the install with or without framebuffer appears to make no
difference in the end result.

I get a sorry little xfce desktop with no way to get to a root
terminal.

How can I ditch the sorry little desktop and use text mode and get
logged in with the necessary root premissions?

There is a `help' option on the boot screen but when I select it I get
a very fast scroll thru a massive file then jumps back to login
screen.  Absolutely useless for any help.

This install is inside a vmware as guest so maybe some of this works
better in a normal install... I hope so.

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[gentoo-user] Re: root password on 2008.1-i686 minimal install

2008-04-23 Thread reader
Chris Brennan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I haven't used 2008.1b1 yet so forgive me if I am a little off.

 By default, 200X.X would give you a prompt whereby you type passwd
 and set the root password to a known value.

Not on the installer iso for i686 2008.1
But I think another poster has posted the answer 

From Renato P:
 Switch to another VTTY (Ctrl+Atl+F1 for instance), 'passwd', specify
 the desired password, switch to Xorg again (Ctrl+Alt+F7 if I am not
 wrong), 'su' and that's it.

I haven't actually tried it, I just went to the installer for x86
2008.1 which doesn't have that problem.

But let me apologize and say I see now what I did wrong.  What I was
calling an installer for i686-2008.1beta was actually the liveCD which
is different.  The installer for x86 2008.1 has not such problem and I
suspect the installer for i686-2008.1 doesn't either.

Far as the live cd goes:
It still needs to be made clear how to get to root right in the dialog
during startup not on some webpage.

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[gentoo-user] Re: [OT vmware] Networking Gentoo as guest on vista

2008-04-22 Thread reader
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

NOTE: 
 [ Sorry if this repost is a little abusive - possibly people just
   felt it was too off topic and ignored it.  I'm trying again since I
   am not getting useful input from the vmware forums where this
   properly belongs.  Apparently not many of those vmware users are
   involved with linux as guest OS, and I know from past experience
   there are users here who can help with this]


I'm hoping some of you here have run gentoo on a windows host and will
know something about the various networking possibilities.

My setup:

Wireless connected laptop running windows vista premium home
Local lan network connected to internet via cable.

Home router has the internet connection and wireless laptop is joined
into lan by a WAP (Wireless access point).  With static ip addressing
(not dhcp).

When setting up gentoo in the virtual machine you have two main
approaches to networking.  Bridged and Nat.

Can anyone tell me which is best suited for my setup.  I'd prefer not
to have to setup wireless networking and just use the host connection.

Starting the 2008.0 minimal iso file in vmware... I end up with a
working network immediately without doing a thing.

Maybe I can just transfer those settings somehow but there are no
setting in /etc/conf.d/net on the install disk.

It appears to have gotten an address from a dhcp server built into
vmware.  [[added by HP -ed] However it offers addresses on the wrong
subnet for my local lan and I see no way to edit or change the subnet
it defaults too.]

I don't want to jerk around with wireless settings for the gentoo
install and would prefer to connect thru the hosts ip and nameserver,
letting the hosts wireless capabilities handle the wireless connection. 

Should I use `Bridged' or `Nat'.  And how to set it up after making
that decision?  I suspect NAT is the answer since that works right out
of the box with 2008.1 minimal install *.iso.  

However as mentioned above, that method ends up using a subnet that
does not match my local lan.  The host can connect via ssh to the
livecd but no other part of the lan can (using NAT).



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[gentoo-user] [ot tightvnc] No connections work

2008-03-15 Thread reader
Are their some simple steps to get tightvnc to work and allow me to
connect to windowsxp box on home lan?

It's pretty impossible to tell what is supposed to be done from the
man pages.

Is running tightvnc  from linux to a windows box likely to require
endless jerking around and diddling with settings or is it something
pretty simple and easy to get working?

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[gentoo-user] Re: [ot tightvnc] No connections work

2008-03-15 Thread reader
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Are their some simple steps to get tightvnc to work and allow me to
 connect to windowsxp box on home lan?

 It's pretty impossible to tell what is supposed to be done from the
 man pages.

 Is running tightvnc  from linux to a windows box likely to require
 endless jerking around and diddling with settings or is it something
 pretty simple and easy to get working?

Please ignore this post... it got away before I put the details and
I've gotten started now

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[gentoo-user] Make Konqueror use same plugins as Firefox

2008-02-13 Thread reader
How can I make Konqueror use the same plugins as Firefox?

I've installed mplayer and that seems to have allowed Firefox to
display online videos in QuickTime format, but try the same link in
Konqueror and I get a message telling me no plugin for Quictime video
is found and offering to download it... of course that only leads to
pples site.

There is an area in the Konq setup to add plugins.  That dialog shows
that it looks in the plugin locations for firefox anyway though so if
its in there then it should be found I'd think.

When clicking the video links in firefox I see a splash screen that
appears briefly saying something like:

   mplayer Plugin, embedded video player for mozilla.

So maybe I need something else for Konqueror to be able to play these
QT video links?

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[gentoo-user] No ping man page

2008-02-12 Thread reader
Anyone else noticed there is no man page for ping?  I know I've looked
up things in man ping in the past, maybe quite far in the past and
possibly even on a different distribution, but still I thought maybe
my man page setup was borked but looking at: 
equery files net-misc/iputils (which contains ping) 

I see no man pages mentioned in the output.  



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[gentoo-user] Re: No ping man page

2008-02-12 Thread reader
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 sigh Code like this makes me want to vomit. The 
 OS-that-shall-not-be-named pulls stunts like this, I really think FLOSS 
 stuff should be better.

 So, I have to emerge an entire sgml kit to generate a man page. Wow. 
 Especially since last time I looked, man pages were not in sgml format 
 or even any format that vaguely resembles mark-up

 To the upstream iputils dev:

 Dude, wtf were you thinking?

Yup, it does seem way over the top.  Surely though there is some
rhyme to the reason.  Man pages are such a large part of the very
essence of unix.  It seems a serious shame that a user is better off
googling for `linux man ping' than the long standing `man ping'.  The
more so since someone needing the man page for ping is somewhat more
likely to be having network troubles than the average bear, and may
not be able to google.

I took Alans' comment as at root, friendly, and maybe the devs if any
read it will too.  But please any developer who can ... explain what
is the reasoning here.

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[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Interrogate network for devices

2008-02-11 Thread reader
Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On 2008-02-11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I've recently switched from DSL to Cable connection but still have
 both working currently.

 I've snipped all responses but carefully read through them.  I think I
 didn't provide enough info at the outset.

 I see now that this cable modem has no ethernet address as several
 posters have suggested.

It turned out to be a simple matter of cycling the various
modem/router PC s in the right order.  Once I got the help desk it
took about 2 minutes to get things resolved.  It was setup right just
needed to recycle the Modem with router off.  

The cable modem acquires an IP address by dhcp from comcast but also
internalizes the MAC of the NIC in the PC, so if you change the MAC
(By inserting a router in between, with a different MAC in this case)
then the modem continues to try to connect to the MAC it has
internalized.   It must be rebooted to acquire the new MAC (of the
router in this case).

Once that happens the Netgear routers (either one) connect with no
problems.

 It almost certainly has an Ethernet address.  It might not,
 however, have an IP address.

As you may have guessed I meant IP address.  That is, although the
Modem connects to the PC by ethernet wire, it has no inward facing
address.  This was explained by at least two other posters. (Something
I'd failed to realize. I expected there to be an inward facing IP)

At any rate all is now well, and thanks to all for the tips and help. 

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[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Interrogate network for devices

2008-02-11 Thread reader
Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 The cable modem acquires an IP address by dhcp from comcast but also
 internalizes the MAC of the NIC in the PC, so if you change the MAC
 (By inserting a router in between, with a different MAC in this case)
 then the modem continues to try to connect to the MAC it has
 internalized.   It must be rebooted to acquire the new MAC (of the
 router in this case).

 He, he, that's what I told ya!  Spoof (clone) the IP address on the router 
 and 
 you'd be good to go.  On the other hand if you power cycle the devices in the 
 right order as Dale told you, you'll also get to the same point.

Yes you did, and like a bozo I let it fly right over my head.  But
taken together, all the input on this has cleared a number of things
up for me.


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[gentoo-user] [OT] About Mozilla cache and online video watching

2008-02-11 Thread reader
I'm sorry to be bringing so much stuff up on this forum that is
actually off topic.  No one has complained but if anyone knows where
this question should be sent... please let me know.

I'm trying to work out the sequence of events when playing videos from
the internet.  There are many freebies out there to practice on and
some even worth keeping.  Lots of tutorial type stuff.

In the current case when I click a link to play a specific video I'm
seeing a file downloaded into firefox cache that appears to persist for
apparently whatever time user has set for cache stuff to linger.
They pile up in there as more links are clicked.

When I click a link a video appears in the browser window being played
by mplayer and is in qt format. A file name consisting of numbers and
uppercase letters appears in the cache.  That file can be renamed with
a *.mov (quicktime) extension and will play in mplayer or quicktime
there after.

However something strange happens when the file size is slightly above
25mb.  In that case the name that appeared in the cache when
downloading started, suddenly and instantly disappears when the
download finishes.  The embedded browser player can still play it as
much as desired but the on disk file has totally disappeared or been
moved somewhere else.  The cache shows zero files, yet the embedded
player seems unaffected.

It appears to occur consistently just slightly above 25mb as reported
by reiserfs and closely confirmed by information on the website that
tells the file size.

The online material itself does not appear to be protected or whatever since
they are offered for free right on the internet for anyone.  No login
or the like required.

I'm pretty sure the file is not being held in memory at that size and
in fact one would expect the smaller ones to also be if that were the
case. 

I would like to understand what is happening but don't really have a
good idea how to track it down.  Or even where to take such a question
or search for information that might help.

In the future I'd like to offer some of my own videos to my far flung
family across the internet and would like to have a pretty good grasp
on how it all works on both ends.  Since I will be expected to debug
or otherwise make sure things work smoothly.


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[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Interrogate network for devices

2008-02-11 Thread reader
Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 AFAICT, cable modems that act as bridges are becoming more rare
 (DSL bridges were always more rare than cable bridges for some
 reason).  Comcast has tried to replace my (rented) bridge with
 a router a couple times, but I always insist that I want it
 replaced with a bridge.  So far, they've done it, but I'm
 afraid one of these days they aren't going to have any more of
 the bridging models available.

Assuming I've got it right that this modem is a bridging modem, it was
just sent out to me a few days ago so maybe they are still using them
here.  (Gary Indiana).

Scientific Atlanta (Its a division of Cisco)  DPC2100R2

 

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[gentoo-user] Re: [OT again..] Technical networking question about changing GW

2008-02-11 Thread reader
Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I wanted to try to gauge if there was much of a noticeable difference
 with the two IP connections.  And it would be handy to just step
 through the links changine the GW intermittently.

 Yes, you can do that, but if you put a linux box between the gateways
 and the network you can use both at once.  

Thanks for the tips... 

I'm pretty sure I've done that before in a similar situation a couple
years ago.  I don't recall exactly what I did now but I had only one nic
on the linux machine and ran two routers each with an Internet
connection.

Seems like it was a matter of setting a static route to some internet
address through the second gateway, but I've forgotten if there was
more to it.

The trick is getting stuff to use something besides the default route.

Ping can be directed but not any applications like browsers that I
know of.

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[gentoo-user] [OT again..] Technical networking question about changing GW

2008-02-11 Thread reader
I happen to be in a situation where I have both a DSL and CABLE
connection to internet up for the time being... (Until the DSL
contract month runs out).

It affords a nifty opportunity to do some experiments.  Of course I
tested the speeds of both and it varies between 200 and 500 % faster
on the Cable connection.  (Nice).

At first I used single machines connected independently to the
respective IPs for testing, but it slowly dawned on me that I could
hook everything up on the lan, to the same subnet and then just reset
the GateWay target on individual machines as needed, for any of 6
machines.

So currently I have two internet outlets and two gateway routers on
192.168.0.0/24

Here's the technical part:
Assume I have loaded a web page that downloads a video to my cache as
it plays.  Assume further there are several of these to be played one
by one.

After playing one, if I reset my GW (and I have also rest
/etc/resolv.conf to use that gw address for dns [probably not totally
necessary]).  Followed by /etc/init.d/net.eth0 restart.

Will the browser, which has not been restarted, now use the new
gateway when I run the next link (or for testing, run the same link
again), or will it continue on the same route (which is still
available), that is, will the browser (firefox) continue using the
original GW until the browser itself is restarted?

I know I could track all this with tcpdump but it gets sort of
cumbersome unless you've memorized the necessary commands to filter
output down to something more usable.  I usually get so tangled up
with tcpdump I spend more time on it than the project at hand.  I
don't use it very frequently so inevitably spend gobs of time at
`man tcpdump' instead of tending to what I started to do.

Why I ask is that the site I'm doing this on requires me to login and
then relocate the stuff I want to see if I have to restart the
browser. 

I wanted to try to gauge if there was much of a noticeable difference
with the two IP connections.  And it would be handy to just step
through the links changine the GW intermittently.
 

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[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Interrogate network for devices

2008-02-11 Thread reader
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I've recently switched from DSL to Cable connection but still have
 both working currently.

I've snipped all responses but carefully read through them.  I think I
didn't provide enough info at the outset.

I see now that this cable modem has no ethernet address as several
posters have suggested.

Listing models may help the discussion so here they are:

The Comcast Cable modem: Scientific Atlanta-DPC2100RC (has MAC listed
on the sticker)

Two different Netgear Router/firewalls have been tried.  Same router
but older and newer models:

Older Netgear: 
FVS318 (Says Cable/DSL PROsafe VPN Firewall FVS318 across the front)

Newer Netgear: 
FVS318v3  (Says Cable/DSL PROsafe VPN Firewall FVS318 across the front)

The newer one is a couple of years newer and purchased about 1 yr ago.

It may just be software differences but they do have somewhat
different interfaces.  The older one is using the latest software it
is capable of loading, as is the newer one, but in the later case the
software is a newer version than the old one supports.

One curious thing here is that both of these Netgear routers have at
one time or another been connected to a Comcast provided modem and
worked fine.  In both of those cases the Netgear using its connection
wizard, simply found and ID'ed the cable modem... and just worked from
there on.  I only setup the lanside addressing since I prefer all
static addresses inside.

Ditto for DSL... again both Netgear routers have worked with DSL
routers and again the connection was established by simply running the
connection wizard.

In the current case, neither of these routers was able to just
identify and connect to the cable modem or internet through it.  And
in both cases the wizard ends up saying the connection type is STATIC
and offers to accept the static addresses from user.  I doubt the
addressing is really STATIC.

I think my next step here will be to take the IP address and
Nameserver from IPconfig (or netstat) on the windows box that will
connect using the Cable modem, and see if those addresses will work
when inserted into the netgears as static outside addresses to connect
to.  

If that works, It may hold until a new address is issued for whatever
reason from comcast... and I may get some help from them by then.

I will report back if there is any interest?

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[gentoo-user] [OT] Interrogate network for devices

2008-02-09 Thread reader
Sorry for the OT, but unable to raise anyone at comcast right now.

I think I recall having read somewhere that one can do something to
discover what devices are on a network (Home lan). And what there
addresses are.

I've recently switched from DSL to Cable connection but still have
both working currently.

I had assumed my netgear-firewall/router would find the Cable modem and
be able to talk to it, but that isn't happening.

I can connect the cable modem direct to a pc and using the software
that comes with it establish a connection to the internet, but I
wanted to have that firewall/router in between the cable modem and home
pcs. 

But that is only on a windows machine.

The help file that comes with the modem provides no information about
how one talks to the modem.  No ethernet address is supplied.  However
it is an ethernet device and connects to the pc with ethernet cable.

Apparently comcast felt it wiser to provide no details and let its
software do the connecting.

But can't I learn the IP address (inward facing) of the modem?  The IP
from outside is of course visible to ipconfig, when connecting to
internet from a windows machine thru the cable modem, but I see
nothing that indicates what its lanside ethernet address is.

Its obviously connecting to the pc with dhcp so setting the netgear to
listen for dhcp seemed like it should work... but doesn't.

I thought I would be able to connect to the cable modem with a browser
and maybe learn enough to make the netgear router/firewall connect to
it, or one of my gentoo boxes, so have tried a few of the
semi-standard addresses  other ethernet hubs/routers etc default to, like
192.168.0.1, 192.168.1.1 and a few more.

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