Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ATI Radeon 9550
James and all, thanks much for the help, however I have called it a day with this ATI Radeon 9550 card. I lost several days troubleshooting the thing, and every corner I tuned ran into another problem. Torture! Brought the card back to the store, replaced it with an Nvidia based card. Emerged Xorg and the Nvidia drivers and have already completed the successful test of Xorg and the bright and shinning nvidia logo as it started brought a smile! This was more like it should! I know Nvidia is not perfect, but they have yet to fail me. I will stick with them in the future. Now my son waits anxiously for KDE to build. Thanks again all, Sean -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ATI Radeon 9550
James wrote: sean tech.junk at verizon.net writes: I emerged the latest drivers you specified above and -dri stable drivers, these actually compiled. The xorg configure keeps crashing, but I played around with my earlier xorg config. Well, if you like I'll email directly to you my xorg.conf file for my ati-1900. There are numerous differences compared to any of my radeon compatible xorg.conf files... Thanks James, sure. I am actually in the process rebuilding the system from scratch again. Install completed, and things upgraded. Still need to emerge xorg, ati-drivers and related. So which would best be first, xorg, or the ati-drivers? Sean -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: ATI Radeon 9550
sean tech.junk at verizon.net writes: I am actually in the process rebuilding the system from scratch again. Install completed, and things upgraded. I'll email my xorg.conf that works with my ati-1900 as a reference. So which would best be first, xorg, or the ati-drivers? Um, I'm not sure it matters. Try ati-drivers first and it may want to pull in xorg first. In that case, the answer is org. If not, it does not matter. Remember, at some point, after you build a kernel, you have to run modules-update, but surf the various gentoo web pages on Ati to get that answer. follow the main gentoo web page: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml http://odin.prohosting.com/wedge01/gentoo-radeon-faq.html this last pages says that your 9550 card is supported by the ati-binary driver. I'll try and help you thru this, but, realize I'm not whiz at ati-driver obscurity issues. That said, keep a precise log of what you do, what fails and what works, and maybe between us, we can develop a simple ascii text file that works and is current. I'll be back online in 3-4 hours to check your progress. Hang in there, James -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ATI Radeon 9550
James wrote: Hello Sean, I did get my ATI 1900 to work, but, only after quit a lot of pain Still in pain here. Never had so many problems with a card before. 1. unmask the lastest ATI drivers ( as the ATI web sites says there are lots of bug fixes in 8.32.5) and install it. It was the only version that worked on my ati 1900 card. I emerged the latest drivers you specified above and unlike the stable drivers, these actually compiled. The xorg configure keeps crashing, but I played around with my earlier xorg config. Here is a real odd one. Having specified the radeon driver, started xorg, and it fails stating cannot find the radeon driver. Did a slocate for radeon_drv and it located it in the proper xorg location for the drivers. Tried xorg again, it failed the same way. Went to the driver location, and the radeon driver is not present. Tried an slocate again, it states that the radeon driver is where it should be. At a loss for this one. Right now to simplify things removing SMP from the kernel, saw a lot of remarks stating SMP often on early versions of the driver caused problems. Has anyone tried the driver install script right from ati instead of portage? I am just about ready to go get an nvidia card. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ATI Radeon 9550
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:19:47 -0500, sean wrote: Did a slocate for radeon_drv and it located it in the proper xorg location for the drivers. Tried xorg again, it failed the same way. Went to the driver location, and the radeon driver is not present. Tried an slocate again, it states that the radeon driver is where it should be. At a loss for this one. slocate only tells you the file was there the last time updatedb was run. -- Neil Bothwick Press any key to continue or any other key to quit signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ATI Radeon 9550
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:19:47 -0500, sean wrote: Did a slocate for radeon_drv and it located it in the proper xorg location for the drivers. Tried xorg again, it failed the same way. Went to the driver location, and the radeon driver is not present. Tried an slocate again, it states that the radeon driver is where it should be. At a loss for this one. slocate only tells you the file was there the last time updatedb was run. Thanks Neil. That must of occurred from when I emerged xf86-video-ati and then later removed it before trying out the ati-driver, which I figured would supply it's own version of the radeon driver, which, at least for me, it has not. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: ATI Radeon 9550
sean tech.junk at verizon.net writes: I emerged the latest drivers you specified above and -dri stable drivers, these actually compiled. The xorg configure keeps crashing, but I played around with my earlier xorg config. Well, if you like I'll email directly to you my xorg.conf file for my ati-1900. There are numerous differences compared to any of my radeon compatible xorg.conf files... Here is a real odd one. Having specified the radeon driver, started xorg, and it fails stating cannot find the radeon driver. Hold on a second; you need to 'double check' my advice because I did everything over and over, including building new kernels with the options that various web pages recommended, before I got mine to work. So I'll give you advice and relate my experiences, but, I do not have ati-drivers worked out to the point of a flawless (correct) installation proceedure. Sometimes you just have to bang on the install a few times. What is really needed is for one of the smart peole on this list to write a simple one page wiki for ati-drivers, with version 8.32.5 and xorg 7.1. That said here goes: A. You are not running the 'radeon driver' you are running the ati-drivers binary driver, sometimes referred to a fglrx B. /etc/make.conf: I have this entry, because somebody told me that what they did, not that is was perfectly correct: VIDEO_CARDS=radeon vesa vesa is the backup if radeon croakes yes it conflicts with what I just told you, but, who knows? Ati driver referred to a radeon? C. 'modules-update' needs to be ran after building kernels and after rebuildling xorg-x11? (or something like that). D. Graphics acceleration (dri, drm, fglrx, glxgears, opengl etc etc) and many more specific are still a little confusing to me. So you have to surf the various web pages and figure out a sequence that works... E. No matter what I did, mine did not work, until I deleted my xorg.conf and used 'xorgconfig' to build a new file from scratch. If you do that Then you have to get the monitor work and check what modules you are loading. When I first generated the file, only a few modules where in the xorg.conf and it worked fine: Load dbe Load freetype Load dri Load glx Did a slocate for radeon_drv and it located it in the proper xorg location for the drivers. Tried xorg again, it failed the same way. Went to the driver location, and the radeon driver is not present. Tried an slocate again, it states that the radeon driver is where it should be. At a loss for this one. man updatedb tells you that in order to update the database that slocate access, you have to periodically run 'updatedb' after updates I use this command string to catch the system files and other things I use (like slocate): env-update source /etc/profile etc-update update-eix eupdatedb come up with your onw scheme and use it, so you do not get caught with the slocate, eix or other tools, out of wack. Right now to simplify things removing SMP from the kernel, saw a lot of remarks stating SMP often on early versions of the driver caused problems. I keep 4 or more kernels on every system. When I run into issues, I can just go back a few revs/versions on kernels to see if that is an issue. I experiment with lots of kernel options and stuff, as do many gentoo folks... Has anyone tried the driver install script right from ati instead of portage? nope, but the page I used which I have now lost the bookmark to was discovered right after looking at the ati site. It was not even gentoo specific. I am just about ready to go get an nvidia card. Well, that's your business, but as a firmware engineer, I do not see nvidia as any better. In fact they *NEVER* release hardware details about driver cards. I'm not so sure that the problems with figuring out problems with ati-drivers is so much due to the lack of ati-driver quality, as it is with a lack of enthusiasm with the folks that take the published ati-binaries and package the drivers for the varous versions of linux kernels, X sources, and linux distros. yea it's my opinion, but, I write firmware all day long and deal with digital hardware and semiconductor vendors but it's just a feeling resulting in an option Futhermore, just look at the amount of old gentoo documentation that has not even been update for xorg 7.x or the newer (testing) ati-drivers). Even in the gentoo community, there is little enthusiams to straighten out the documentation mess surrounding Even if Nvidia is better (which I doubt) certainly we can maintain the ATI docs in a little bit more concise manner, just like amd and intel are both supported, but amd64 definately is more linux friendly. Which leads me to hope that AMD cleans up the ati-drivers mess also. Futhermore if you follow the kernel stuffage, you definately see certain vendors and their consultants and employees gaining uneven treatment with the whole area of drivers(again in my opinion).
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ATI Radeon 9550
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 04:56:42 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: How does one make an e-build available to the world? Post it on Bugzilla. If the maintainer likes your patch he'll add it to the tree. If not, anyone else searching Bugzilla will find it. -- Neil Bothwick Unsupported service (adj): Broken (see Demon) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: ATI Radeon 9550
On 2007-01-10, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Sig_Z=zjI8hJVAePlOai=Cqo4ho Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 04:56:42 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: How does one make an e-build available to the world? Post it on Bugzilla. If the maintainer likes your patch he'll add it to the tree. If not, anyone else searching Bugzilla will find it. Somebody already posted the patch to the driver to Bugzilla. Should I also post the patch to the ebuild file? -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! I'd like TRAINED at SEALS and a CONVERTIBLE on visi.commy doorstep by NOON!! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ATI Radeon 9550
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:42:31 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: Post it on Bugzilla. If the maintainer likes your patch he'll add it to the tree. If not, anyone else searching Bugzilla will find it. Somebody already posted the patch to the driver to Bugzilla. Should I also post the patch to the ebuild file? Why not, the easier you make it for the dev, the more likely he is to fix it. -- Neil Bothwick If at first you don't succeed, redefine success. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: ATI Radeon 9550
Sean tech.junk at verizon.net writes: Anyway, have had nothing but problems trying to get this thing working. Found many bugs listed against the ati-drivers, and not having much more success using the open source drivers also listed in the Gentoo ATI faq. Before I go much further, or post for any help here, have any others here managed to get this card working on Gentoo, Hello Sean, I do not have a 9550 card, but, here are a few resources and suggesting that I have found that might help. I did get my ATI 1900 to work, but, only after quit a lot of pain 1. unmask the lastest ATI drivers ( as the ATI web sites says there are lots of bug fixes in 8.32.5) and install it. It was the only version that worked on my ati 1900 card. http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.32.5.html 2. Pay very close attention to your xorg.conf file. Mine ended up being quite different that my radeon driver based systems. I used 'xorgconfig' to generate the intial xorg.conf file. From there, I just addressed each issue individually. If web pages(wikis) do not specifically talk about version 8.30.x or later, ignore them. They are out of date and none I tried to follow were very useful. These old web pages are about 95% of the problem with getting ati-drivers to work, as most reverence old 2.6 kernels and xorg (before 7.0). 3. Run 'lspci -v' and then Look at this web page to see exactly which video card you have. There is quite a lot of 'disinformation' floating about between vendors being deceptive and inacccurate/old web pages concerning video hardware. http://pci-ids.ucw.cz/iii//?i=1002 http://odin.prohosting.com/wedge01/gentoo-radeon-faq.html#4_nodevice http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Fglrx#Building_for_Xorg_7.0 http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=596 http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ati-faq.xml http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R300 http://post.gmane.org/post.php?group=gmane.linux.gentoo.userfollowup=177360 hth, James -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: ATI Radeon 9550
On 2007-01-10, Mark Kirkwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, have had nothing but problems trying to get this thing working. Found many bugs listed against the ati-drivers, and not having much more success using the open source drivers also listed in the Gentoo ATI faq. The ati-drivers have always worked fine for me (until ATI discontinued support for the 92xx boards). The Xorg radeon drivers have always worked flawlessly for 2D. Did you try the Xorg radeon driver? (think its part of xf86-video-ati). The radeon driver has always worked fine for 2D. Xorg/radeon's DRI has always been a little flakey for me with a 9250. Some versions worked mostly (only a few rendering glitches), some versions seg-faulted anytime DRI was used. For me, the ati-drivers package has always proved a lot more stable for DRI. You want to unmerge ati-drivers if they have proved unstable (no surprise there...) I'm very interested as I've been using a 9550 with HW accel enabled + Xorg (6.9) with the radeon driver in FreeBSD 6 without any problems at all. This encourages me to think they should work in Gentoo as well...(crosses fingers) as I'm in the process of building my mother a machine running Gentoo and have one of these (a 9200) lying around and am intending to use it Versions of ati-drivers newer than 8.28 won't support the 9200, and 8.28 won't build on recent kernels without patches. Most other distros have patched versions of 8.28 available for current kernels, but Gentoo doesn't. I've got a fixed ati-drivers-8.28 ebuild that will work with kernels up through 2.6.18. How does one make an e-build available to the world? -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! .. If I had heart at failure right now, visi.comI couldn't be a more fortunate man!! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
