[gentoo-user] Re: LC_ locale settings for UK / GB.
On 07/10/2009 08:49 PM, ABCD wrote: ... Because I'm seeing some strange things in this thread, let me elucidate as to what the various LANG/LC_* variables do: LANG sets the default for LC_*, if unset, defaults to C LC_CTYPE [charset] LC_NUMERIC [number format] LC_TIME [time format] LC_COLLATE [sort order] LC_MONETARY [money format] LC_MESSAGES [message language] LC_PAPER [paper size] LC_NAME [given/family name format] LC_ADDRESS [mailing address format] LC_TELEPHONE [country code, etc.] LC_MEASUREMENT [US customary, SI, etc.] LC_IDENTIFICATION [???] Used as their names suggest, for the various things that can be done with locales. Default to $LANG, if $LANG is unset, defaults to C. LC_ALL Override for LC_*. If LC_ALL is set, then LC_* is ignored, and the value of LC_ALL is used for everything. *Do not* set this in env.d unless you know exactly what you are doing. (Setting LC_ALL=C to disable all locale settings, for instance). Thanks for the clarification. The only reason I can think of for *not* setting LC_ALL is that some users on a multi-user system might want to use a different language. Am I missing something else important?
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LC_ locale settings for UK / GB.
On 11 Jul 2009, at 19:35, walt wrote: On 07/10/2009 08:49 PM, ABCD wrote: ... Because I'm seeing some strange things in this thread, let me elucidate as to what the various LANG/LC_* variables do: LANG sets the default for LC_*, if unset, defaults to C LC_CTYPE [charset] LC_NUMERIC [number format] LC_TIME [time format] LC_COLLATE [sort order] LC_MONETARY [money format] LC_MESSAGES [message language] LC_PAPER [paper size] LC_NAME [given/family name format] LC_ADDRESS [mailing address format] LC_TELEPHONE [country code, etc.] LC_MEASUREMENT [US customary, SI, etc.] LC_IDENTIFICATION [???] Used as their names suggest, for the various things that can be done with locales. Default to $LANG, if $LANG is unset, defaults to C. LC_ALL Override for LC_*. If LC_ALL is set, then LC_* is ignored, and the value of LC_ALL is used for everything. *Do not* set this in env.d unless you know exactly what you are doing. (Setting LC_ALL=C to disable all locale settings, for instance). Thanks for the clarification. The only reason I can think of for *not* setting LC_ALL is that some users on a multi-user system might want to use a different language. Am I missing something else important? I'm reading this as to *only* set LANG instead. I'm assuming there are occasions upon which a single program or package (at installation time, or perhaps in a run script) may wish to over-ride only some of the LC_* variables. IE: On 11 Jul 2009, at 00:02, Peter Ruskin wrote: This is what my 02locale file says: LANG=en_GB LC_COLLATE=POSIX LC_CTYPE=POSIX LC_ALL=en_GB The last 3 lines should be removed? If I do so: $ cat /etc/env.d/02locale LANG=en_GB $ k3b gives no errors - in fact I get a No problems found in system configuration pop-up instead - on startup. Stroller.
[gentoo-user] Re: LC_ locale settings for UK / GB.
On 07/11/2009 01:13 PM, Stroller wrote: On 07/10/2009 08:49 PM, ABCD wrote: ... Because I'm seeing some strange things in this thread, let me elucidate as to what the various LANG/LC_* variables do: LANG sets the default for LC_*, if unset, defaults to C I'm reading this as to *only* set LANG instead... Yes of course, I didn't catch that the first time.
[gentoo-user] Re: LC_ locale settings for UK / GB.
On 07/10/2009 02:48 PM, Stroller wrote: ... Solution: To properly set the locale charset make sure the LC_* environment variables are set... Googling LC_* environment variables turns up this doc: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/guide-localization.xml#doc_chap3 I assume this document is correct up to date? (and is not superseded by the LINGUAS=en_GB en that I have in make.conf) As far as I know the LINGUAS variable is used only during the building of packages, and is not related to the LANGUAGE or LC variables. If I'm wrong then someone correct me, please. I've been vague about this for years. To discover what locales you have in /usr/share/locale, type 'locale -a' at a shell prompt. If you emerged glibc with your LINGUAS variable set to en_GB en then you may have only English-oriented locales listed, In any case you should easily spot what you need in the output of locale -a | grep GB. Unless you have some very arcane lanuage needs you can just set the value of LC_ALL instead of worrying about nine different ones. Here is my /etc/env.d/02locale as an example from the colonies, which of course is unsuitable for a truly civilized country: $cat /etc/env.d/02locale LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8 LINGUAS= ALL_LINGUAS= The redundancy in that file is probably overkill because I didn't know exactly what to include. It may well be that some of those don't need to be there, and someone who knows will enlighten us both :o)
[gentoo-user] Re: LC_ locale settings for UK / GB.
On 07/10/2009 04:02 PM, Peter Ruskin wrote: ... I set LC_COLLATE and LC_CTYPE to POSIX some time ago to make konqueror sort the way I expect. We posted our responses at the same time, apparently. Where did you learn that POSIX is an appropriate value for those variables? I need to read whatever docs you can recommend.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LC_ locale settings for UK / GB.
On 11 Jul 2009, at 00:05, walt wrote: On 07/10/2009 02:48 PM, Stroller wrote: ... Googling LC_* environment variables turns up this doc: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/guide-localization.xml#doc_chap3 ... Unless you have some very arcane lanuage needs you can just set the value of LC_ALL instead of worrying about nine different ones. FWIW the linked Gentoo Linux Localization Guide specifically warns against this: Warning: Using LC_ALL is strongly discouraged as it can't be overridden later on. Please use it only when testing and never set it in a startup file. Stroller.
[gentoo-user] Re: LC_ locale settings for UK / GB.
Stroller wrote: Hi there, I want to try burning a DVD using k3b and when it starts up it complains: System locale charset is ANSI_X3.4-1968 Your system's locale charset (i.e. the charset used to encode filenames) is set to ANSI_X3.4-1968. It is highly unlikely that this has been done intentionally. Most likely the locale is not set at all. An invalid setting will result in problems when creating data projects. Solution: To properly set the locale charset make sure the LC_* environment variables are set. Normally the distribution setup tools take care of this. Googling LC_* environment variables turns up this doc: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/guide-localization.xml#doc_chap3 I assume this document is correct up to date? (and is not superseded by the LINGUAS=en_GB en that I have in make.conf) This doc refers to a /etc/env.d/02locale file - I assume I have to create that by hand? The file does not exist at present. I guess this is the kind of thing I'd kinda expect you to create by symlinking to / usr/share/linguas/England or something. Finally, does anyone have the correct LANG and LC_COLLATE settings for the United Kingdom, please? I assume that again something starting en_GB is used. Do I need to set ALL LC_* variables (the guide lists 9 of them) or just those 2? This server is headless, so I'm using X11 over ssh - kcontrol's left- hand pane is blank. Thanks in advance for any help, Stroller. Because I'm seeing some strange things in this thread, let me elucidate as to what the various LANG/LC_* variables do: LANG sets the default for LC_*, if unset, defaults to C LC_CTYPE [charset] LC_NUMERIC [number format] LC_TIME [time format] LC_COLLATE [sort order] LC_MONETARY [money format] LC_MESSAGES [message language] LC_PAPER [paper size] LC_NAME [given/family name format] LC_ADDRESS [mailing address format] LC_TELEPHONE [country code, etc.] LC_MEASUREMENT [US customary, SI, etc.] LC_IDENTIFICATION [???] Used as their names suggest, for the various things that can be done with locales. Default to $LANG, if $LANG is unset, defaults to C. LC_ALL Override for LC_*. If LC_ALL is set, then LC_* is ignored, and the value of LC_ALL is used for everything. *Do not* set this in env.d unless you know exactly what you are doing. (Setting LC_ALL=C to disable all locale settings, for instance). I hope this helps resolve any confusion. If you want to see what the current values of each of these variables is, including overrides, run `locale`. -- ABCD
