[gentoo-user] Re: move instalation from one system to another one.
On Jumee 11 Mordad 1387, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Freitag, 1. August 2008, ABCD wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: not anymore. system was taken out of world. http://marc.info/?l=gentoo-devm=121607297615623w=2 That is only true if you are using =sys-apps/portage-2.2_alpha (that is, the current ~arch version) looks like. Thanks everyone for comments. I'm writing this on my new laptop. I rebuilt the system on old laptop with CFLAGS=-march=i686 -O2 -pipe before the moving the binary to the new laptop. I've a usable but unstable Desktop on the new system. Some application like stella don't load and others crashing at random times. I'm sure the system will be stable when I recompile all the other packages with the new flags. Thanks anyone Platoali
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: move instalation from one system to another one.
On Freitag, 1. August 2008, ABCD wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: not anymore. system was taken out of world. http://marc.info/?l=gentoo-devm=121607297615623w=2 That is only true if you are using =sys-apps/portage-2.2_alpha (that is, the current ~arch version) looks like.
[gentoo-user] Re: move instalation from one system to another one.
Daniel da Veiga wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sebastian Günther a écrit: If you want such functionality, use Debian or Ubuntu. Or just use the good C*FLAGS and kernel options. Nicolas is right, you can (at your own risk, of course) do a migration like this, so DON'T is not really the only option, and changing distros is NOT an option in most cases. Gentoo is perfectly capable of that. Change flags in make.conf for generic compatible ones, compile a new kernel (I used genkernel for the migration, and compiled a specific kernel for the new machine later), emerge -e world and transfer the system (I used rsync, and had to deal with some network issues), everything worked (after some fine tunning for the new hardware) for me. Yeah, but that way you're doing emerge -e world twice. One on the old system, and one on the new system (to optimize for the specific CPU again; -march=native). It's usually faster to install from scratch and only transfer your setting to the new system.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: move instalation from one system to another one.
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Nikos Chantziaras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel da Veiga wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sebastian Günther a écrit: If you want such functionality, use Debian or Ubuntu. Or just use the good C*FLAGS and kernel options. Nicolas is right, you can (at your own risk, of course) do a migration like this, so DON'T is not really the only option, and changing distros is NOT an option in most cases. Gentoo is perfectly capable of that. Change flags in make.conf for generic compatible ones, compile a new kernel (I used genkernel for the migration, and compiled a specific kernel for the new machine later), emerge -e world and transfer the system (I used rsync, and had to deal with some network issues), everything worked (after some fine tunning for the new hardware) for me. Yeah, but that way you're doing emerge -e world twice. One on the old system, and one on the new system (to optimize for the specific CPU again; -march=native). It's usually faster to install from scratch and only transfer your setting to the new system. Yes, but still, both emerges may run while you work, so that's not wasted time, while on a new install, your machine is useless till you get all that you need running (that's the compilation time for X, an office suite, a window manager), and after that, you gotta transfer all your files and settings (that may be tedious), and all of this takes a time you could use to work... All I'm saying is that you really don't need to start from scratch, I personally find it more productive and fast (not to mention less boring) to prepare and transfer the whole install, and only configure the new hardware (that is part of a normal new install, so, you can't avoid that), instead of waiting for compilations to end so you can use packages on your new machine. Besides, I'm letting the official portage tool do its job... Anyway, it is MHO. In some cases, this may fail and a install from scratch is the only option left. But I never had this bad luck. -- Daniel da Veiga
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: move instalation from one system to another one.
Nikos Chantziaras a écrit: Nicolas is right, you can (at your own risk, of course) do a migration like this, so DON'T is not really the only option, and changing distros is NOT an option in most cases. Gentoo is perfectly capable of that. Thanks to you. You explained my thoughts better than I could. Change flags in make.conf for generic compatible ones, compile a new kernel (I used genkernel for the migration, and compiled a specific kernel for the new machine later), emerge -e world and transfer the system (I used rsync, and had to deal with some network issues), everything worked (after some fine tunning for the new hardware) for me. Yeah, but that way you're doing emerge -e world twice. One on the old system, and one on the new system (to optimize for the specific CPU again; -march=native). It's usually faster to install from scratch and only transfer your setting to the new system. You are right too. IMHO, a new install is what you have to do for a such occasionally hardware upgrade. Note the emerge -e world is not what we need here as it will leave broken system packages (the system won't boot on the new processor). The '-e' option looks for the USE flags only. We are supposed to know what we do with Gentoo. Having hardware specific options makes the distribution in a possibly jail. Nevertheless, Gentoo and Linux offer all generic options to ensure x86 processor-like migrations. -- Nicolas Sebrecht
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: move instalation from one system to another one.
On 31 Jul 2008, at 19:50, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: ... Note the emerge -e world is not what we need here as it will leave broken system packages (the system won't boot on the new processor). The '-e' option looks for the USE flags only. From `man emerge` --emptytree (-e) Reinstalls all world packages and their dependencies ... (don't be confused by the next sentence. I am sure it just means to say uses the currently set USE flags). ... --newuse (-N) Tells emerge to include installed packages where USE flags have changed since compilation. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: move instalation from one system to another one.
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31 Jul 2008, at 19:50, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: ... Note the emerge -e world is not what we need here as it will leave broken system packages (the system won't boot on the new processor). The '-e' option looks for the USE flags only. From `man emerge` --emptytree (-e) Reinstalls all world packages and their dependencies ... Nicolas, Stroller (and the man page) is right... As system is part of world, an emerge -e world would recompile every single package, along with all dependencies, a full system recompile, if you, for instance, change your CFLAGs to a generic one before it, at the end your system would be prepared to be used with a different processor. -- Daniel da Veiga
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: move instalation from one system to another one.
On Donnerstag, 31. Juli 2008, Daniel da Veiga wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31 Jul 2008, at 19:50, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: ... Note the emerge -e world is not what we need here as it will leave broken system packages (the system won't boot on the new processor). The '-e' option looks for the USE flags only. From `man emerge` --emptytree (-e) Reinstalls all world packages and their dependencies ... Nicolas, Stroller (and the man page) is right... As system is part of world, an emerge -e world would recompile every single package, along with all dependencies, a full system recompile, if you, for instance, change your CFLAGs to a generic one before it, at the end your system would be prepared to be used with a different processor. not anymore. system was taken out of world. http://marc.info/?l=gentoo-devm=121607297615623w=2
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: move instalation from one system to another one.
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 7:09 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Donnerstag, 31. Juli 2008, Daniel da Veiga wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31 Jul 2008, at 19:50, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: ... Note the emerge -e world is not what we need here as it will leave broken system packages (the system won't boot on the new processor). The '-e' option looks for the USE flags only. From `man emerge` --emptytree (-e) Reinstalls all world packages and their dependencies ... Nicolas, Stroller (and the man page) is right... As system is part of world, an emerge -e world would recompile every single package, along with all dependencies, a full system recompile, if you, for instance, change your CFLAGs to a generic one before it, at the end your system would be prepared to be used with a different processor. not anymore. system was taken out of world. http://marc.info/?l=gentoo-devm=121607297615623w=2 I see, so you need a emerge -e system in order to emerge -e world properly and make sure changes affect all packages. One more thing to keep note next time I transfer my system... -- Daniel da Veiga
[gentoo-user] Re: move instalation from one system to another one.
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