Re: [gentoo-user] kernel building tools
Mike Owen schreef: On 5/25/05, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Is it OK to use 'make oldmenuconfig' to ensure that the options I had selected in a 2.6.x kernel also are selected for the newer 2.6. kernel? Isn't 'make oldmenuconfig' deprecated for 2.6 or does it still work? Also I perviously used xconfig (make xconfig) in lieu of make menuconfig, but I cannot seem to find anything other than menuconfig. Surely there is a nicer gui to use to build kernels and track options selected in various kernel builds than the ole standby 'make menuconfig'. ideas? James I typically just use make oldconfig, as the number of changes from one version to the next aren't that great normally. Doing a make oldconfig will prompt you for each new feature, so once you have your baseline kernel set, make oldconfig is real quick. When moving between different -rX versions, it often won't prompt at all. Mike I've actually been upgrading within a series (gentoo-sources, -r6 to -r8), and across series (to ck-sources and mm-sources)... and been paying attention closely to this exact issue when I did so. And what I noticed is that when I switched the symlink and ran make menuconfig, this was the message: mutable linux # make menuconfig (first time config of newly installed mm-sources, booted into gentoo-2.6.11-r8) HOSTCC scripts/basic/fixdep HOSTCC scripts/basic/split-include HOSTCC scripts/basic/docproc SHIPPED scripts/kconfig/zconf.tab.h HOSTCC scripts/kconfig/conf.o HOSTCC scripts/kconfig/kxgettext.o HOSTCC scripts/kconfig/mconf.o SHIPPED scripts/kconfig/zconf.tab.c SHIPPED scripts/kconfig/lex.zconf.c HOSTCC scripts/kconfig/zconf.tab.o HOSTLD scripts/kconfig/mconf HOSTCC scripts/lxdialog/checklist.o HOSTCC scripts/lxdialog/inputbox.o HOSTCC scripts/lxdialog/lxdialog.o HOSTCC scripts/lxdialog/menubox.o HOSTCC scripts/lxdialog/msgbox.o HOSTCC scripts/lxdialog/textbox.o HOSTCC scripts/lxdialog/util.o HOSTCC scripts/lxdialog/yesno.o HOSTLD scripts/lxdialog/lxdialog scripts/kconfig/mconf arch/i386/Kconfig # *# using defaults found in /boot/config-2.6.11-gentoo-r8* So in fact, makeoldconfig appears to be a bit obsolete, as the new kernel used my old kernel settings as the default. This may be because I had installed my kernel with make install, so there *was* a config to be found in /boot, but it did save a lot of work. For changing series, I definitely prefer to look at the kernel config anyway, to see what options the series' patches have added, but for upgrading within the same series, if nothing has really changed, it's nice to know you can just make menuconfig, save immediately (because you don't have to do anything, but you can also confirm that the settings really are the same if you like), and head right into make modules_install, etc. I find that actually faster than selecting X number of new (and usually irrelevant to me) options with make oldconfig anyway (n, n, n, etc). Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel building tools
On Thu, 26 May 2005 10:24:52 +0200, Holly Bostick wrote: For changing series, I definitely prefer to look at the kernel config anyway, to see what options the series' patches have added, but for upgrading within the same series, if nothing has really changed, it's nice to know you can just make menuconfig, save immediately (because you don't have to do anything, but you can also confirm that the settings really are the same if you like), and head right into make modules_install, etc. I find that actually faster than selecting X number of new (and usually irrelevant to me) options with make oldconfig anyway (n, n, n, etc). The disadvantage of this approach is that you don't get to see what new options have been added. -- Neil Bothwick I wouldn't be caught dead with a necrophiliac. pgpPoWWWHusmF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel building tools
Neil Bothwick schreef: On Thu, 26 May 2005 10:24:52 +0200, Holly Bostick wrote: For changing series, I definitely prefer to look at the kernel config anyway, to see what options the series' patches have added, but for upgrading within the same series, if nothing has really changed, it's nice to know you can just make menuconfig, save immediately (because you don't have to do anything, but you can also confirm that the settings really are the same if you like), and head right into make modules_install, etc. I find that actually faster than selecting X number of new (and usually irrelevant to me) options with make oldconfig anyway (n, n, n, etc). The disadvantage of this approach is that you don't get to see what new options have been added. Within the series, I probably don't care (i.e., moving from gentoo-sources -r6 to -r8, which I only even did because -r6 was removed from Portage). For changing series (moving from gentoo-sources to mm-sources), I do care, but that's why I manually go through the menuconfig in that case. $DEITY knows I've compiled enough kernels to recognize most new stuff, and if I'm not sure, I read the option's Help, as I've always found it invaluable. But my hardware is all pretty old-- KM266A mobo/Athlon XP 2200+ (so no hyperthreading and no amd_64), no SATA, no PCI-e, only usb devices a mouse and gamepad, no mp3 player/iPod, no usb keys (no usb 2.0, even), no external hdds or devices, no bluetooth or firewire, no mobile phone, external sound card is a C-Media 8738 (second only to my onboard VIA 8233 for bog-standardness), no TV-in or out (unless I try out the ati-gatos drivers for TV-in, but I don't feel like being bothered yet), no wireless, heck, no scanner or printer connected to this box (yes, I'm a dinosaur, but I get along)-- so most new options really don't make the first bit of difference to me, as the kernel options I need have been stable for eons. The major ones that do change (video card, the eternal automount-patch war between supermount, submount and hal/dbus/ivman), are external, and for kernels like ck-sources, the new stuff (schedulers) are generally defaulted on anyway, which is fine by me. So I mostly just check for sightseeing purposes (to see what's available/stablilizing for future upgrade planning), and on the off chance I want to try something out, as well as to confirm that the options that I must have turned off (DRM, Registers) are in fact off. Afaics, I don't need to chase the future with the kernel; I just keep it more-or-less up to date for increased stability and patch issues, and looking for speed increases. But obviously, others may have different needs. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel building tools
On Thu, 26 May 2005 12:18:19 +0200, Holly Bostick wrote: The disadvantage of this approach is that you don't get to see what new options have been added. Within the series, I probably don't care (i.e., moving from gentoo-sources -r6 to -r8, which I only even did because -r6 was removed from Portage). For changing series (moving from gentoo-sources to mm-sources), I do care, but that's why I manually go through the menuconfig in that case. $DEITY knows I've compiled enough kernels to recognize most new stuff, and if I'm not sure, I read the option's Help, as I've always found it invaluable. Within a particular kernel version, there generally aren't any new options, so it makes no difference which method you use. When the kernel version is incremented, there may be new options added, and make oldconfig seems a more reliable way of being notified of them than trawling through menuconfig hoping to see them. I rarely run make menuconfig when upgrading a kernel. -- Neil Bothwick Q. How many mathematicians does it take to change a light bulb? A. Only one - who gives it to six Californians, thereby reducing the problem to an earlier joke. pgpQsRgb0qwn4.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] kernel building tools
Hello, Is it OK to use 'make oldmenuconfig' to ensure that the options I had selected in a 2.6.x kernel also are selected for the newer 2.6. kernel? Isn't 'make oldmenuconfig' deprecated for 2.6 or does it still work? Also I perviously used xconfig (make xconfig) in lieu of make menuconfig, but I cannot seem to find anything other than menuconfig. Surely there is a nicer gui to use to build kernels and track options selected in various kernel builds than the ole standby 'make menuconfig'. ideas? James -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel building tools
On 5/25/05, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Is it OK to use 'make oldmenuconfig' to ensure that the options I had selected in a 2.6.x kernel also are selected for the newer 2.6. kernel? Isn't 'make oldmenuconfig' deprecated for 2.6 or does it still work? Also I perviously used xconfig (make xconfig) in lieu of make menuconfig, but I cannot seem to find anything other than menuconfig. Surely there is a nicer gui to use to build kernels and track options selected in various kernel builds than the ole standby 'make menuconfig'. ideas? James I typically just use make oldconfig, as the number of changes from one version to the next aren't that great normally. Doing a make oldconfig will prompt you for each new feature, so once you have your baseline kernel set, make oldconfig is real quick. When moving between different -rX versions, it often won't prompt at all. Mike -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel building tools
oldconfig usually works for minor version changes - just don't use it to go from say a 2.4 to 2.6. xconfig needs qt installed - I get an error about qt when I try to run it. * * Unable to find the QT installation. Please make sure that the * QT development package is correctly installed and the QTDIR * environment variable is set to the correct location. * make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/.tmp_qtcheck] Error 1 make: *** [xconfig] Error 2 On Thu, 26 May 2005, James wrote: Hello, Is it OK to use 'make oldmenuconfig' to ensure that the options I had selected in a 2.6.x kernel also are selected for the newer 2.6. kernel? Isn't 'make oldmenuconfig' deprecated for 2.6 or does it still work? Also I perviously used xconfig (make xconfig) in lieu of make menuconfig, but I cannot seem to find anything other than menuconfig. Surely there is a nicer gui to use to build kernels and track options selected in various kernel builds than the ole standby 'make menuconfig'. ideas? James -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel building tools
make help and i thinks its oldconfig, not oldmenuconfig ? On Thu, 26 May 2005 01:16:20 + (UTC) James wrote: Hello, Is it OK to use 'make oldmenuconfig' to ensure that the options I had selected in a 2.6.x kernel also are selected for the newer 2.6. kernel? Isn't 'make oldmenuconfig' deprecated for 2.6 or does it still work? Also I perviously used xconfig (make xconfig) in lieu of make menuconfig, but I cannot seem to find anything other than menuconfig. Surely there is a nicer gui to use to build kernels and track options selected in various kernel builds than the ole standby 'make menuconfig'. ideas? James -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Nick Rout -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
