Re: [gentoo-user] Clarification on iso downloads
emerge -fp system file on the system in question will list the critical files, and where to download them from. Its messy, but this can be edited into a clean list and fed to a downloader in some fashion. May make a considerable saving in download amount and time over a whole iso. Alt is there a gentoo enthusiast in the local area who can fetch/burn the list for you, or network transfer the files? BillK On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 01:11 -0400, Colin wrote: cothrige wrote: The one thing you could try is pre-downloading all the tarballs you are likely to need for the bootstrap, kernel and various utils you need, burn them to a CD, then put them in the /usr/portage/distfiles during the install... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Clarification on iso downloads
A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: An install from source REQUIRES net access since the bootstrap script downloads and builds each package - so a binary-less install without net access is a contradiction in terms. That is not strictly true. It is possible to do a source install without direct network access. What you have to do is get (on CDs or DVD) a portage snapshot and all the source files required and put them in (the chrooted) /usr/portage/distfiles/. A UK magazine (Linux Format) has, in the past, put sufficient (and more) source packages on the cover DVD to do stage1 install without having to download anything from the net. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Clarification on iso downloads
On Tue, 31 May 2005 07:14:49 +0100, Graham Murray wrote: That is not strictly true. It is possible to do a source install without direct network access. What you have to do is get (on CDs or DVD) a portage snapshot and all the source files required and put them in (the chrooted) /usr/portage/distfiles/. A UK magazine (Linux Format) has, in the past, put sufficient (and more) source packages on the cover DVD to do stage1 install without having to download anything from the net. The new issue of Linux Format, out in the UK later this week, has Gentoo 2005.0 on the DVD with over 2GB of source files. Everything you need for a standard desktop setup on x86, amd64 or ppc. /plug -- Neil Bothwick Eat shit - 50 million flies can't be wrong pgp30N9DnLbc6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Clarification on iso downloads
* Neil Bothwick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, 31 May 2005 07:14:49 +0100, Graham Murray wrote: That is not strictly true. It is possible to do a source install without direct network access. What you have to do is get (on CDs or DVD) a portage snapshot and all the source files required and put them in (the chrooted) /usr/portage/distfiles/. A UK magazine (Linux Format) has, in the past, put sufficient (and more) source packages on the cover DVD to do stage1 install without having to download anything from the net. The new issue of Linux Format, out in the UK later this week, has Gentoo 2005.0 on the DVD with over 2GB of source files. Everything you need for a standard desktop setup on x86, amd64 or ppc. Hmmm. I like the sound of that. If that is true of America, where I am, I will buy that to give it a try. Of course, I will have to find the dvd coverdisc, and the local bookstore carries the cd I believe. That is sometimes a bad way to go such as this month's Slackware 10.1 which turned out to have only disc 1. Not much use that if you ask me. patrick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Clarification on iso downloads
On Mon, 30 May 2005 08:40:20 -0500, cothrige wrote: The new issue of Linux Format, out in the UK later this week, has Gentoo 2005.0 on the DVD with over 2GB of source files. Everything you need for a standard desktop setup on x86, amd64 or ppc. Hmmm. I like the sound of that. If that is true of America, where I am, I will buy that to give it a try. It will be a few weeks before it reaches US shops. Of course, I will have to find the dvd coverdisc, and the local bookstore carries the cd I believe. That is sometimes a bad way to go such as this month's Slackware 10.1 which turned out to have only disc 1. Not much use that if you ask me. There isn't a great deal on the second Slackware disc. Where supplying only one disc would reduce the effectiveness greatly, we generally put the distro on the DVD only, as with Gentoo. -- Neil Bothwick To err is human; to really foul things up requires a computer. pgpmRygi9cQEN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Clarification on iso downloads
* Neil Bothwick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2005 08:40:20 -0500, cothrige wrote: It will be a few weeks before it reaches US shops. There isn't a great deal on the second Slackware disc. Where supplying only one disc would reduce the effectiveness greatly, we generally put the distro on the DVD only, as with Gentoo. Thanks for the heads up on that. I am going to find out where I can get it and keep an eye out. I think that this would be the easiest way to go for sure. patrick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Clarification on iso downloads
On Tue, 31 May 2005 11:55:57 -0400, Phil Sexton wrote: Thanks for the heads up on that. I am going to find out where I can get it and keep an eye out. I think that this would be the easiest way to go for sure. Check out: http://www.edmunds-enterprises.com/linux/cart.php/ba/plst/category/18 These are package CDs, which the OP did not want. The Linux Format DVD is set up for Stage 1 installs on x86, AMD64 and PPC. -- Neil Bothwick THIS IS A 100% MATTER PRODUCT. In the unlikely event that this computer should contact Antimatter in any form, a catastrophic explosion will result. pgpWDCeHhC1KH.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Clarification on iso downloads
I have been interested in trying out gentoo for quite a while, but have been having some trouble making out just which files I need. The book seems clear for most everything, but as regards my particular situation it is not so. I want to install in the typical way, from source packages rather than with precompiled binaries. However, I have a lowly dialup, and cannot even imagine trying to download each package at that speed. I do have some indirect access to a computer with a faster connection, just a day or two a month, but I cannot use torrent or be there to watch it and click on a bunch of links. So, what I am having to do is know in advance exactly which iso I need, and then start the download at the beginning of the day and then later burn the disc to bring home. The book mentions a networkless install, but this seems to be a binary package installation. That is the inference I am drawing in regards to the universal install disc and the packages disc. Am I wrong? The day I have access to a faster connection is coming up this Wednesday and I am hoping to clarify what I need so that I can consider trying out a Gentoo install. So, in short, which specific iso images can I use to achieve a reasonably complete non-binary Gentoo installation without any internet access whatsoever? I very much appreciate any help that can be offered. patrick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Clarification on iso downloads
On Sun, 29 May 2005, cothrige wrote: The book mentions a networkless install, but this seems to be a binary package installation. That is the inference I am drawing in regards to the universal install disc and the packages disc. Am I wrong? Yes, for a networkless install you would normally use the universal CD + packages CD. The day I have access to a faster connection is coming up this Wednesday and I am hoping to clarify what I need so that I can consider trying out a Gentoo install. So, in short, which specific iso images can I use to achieve a reasonably complete non-binary Gentoo installation without any internet access whatsoever? An install from source REQUIRES net access since the bootstrap script downloads and builds each package - so a binary-less install without net access is a contradiction in terms. The one thing you could try is pre-downloading all the tarballs you are likely to need for the bootstrap, kernel and various utils you need, burn them to a CD, then put them in the /usr/portage/distfiles during the install... -- Aj. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Clarification on iso downloads
* A. Khattri ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, 29 May 2005, cothrige wrote: The book mentions a networkless install, but this seems to be a binary package installation. That is the inference I am drawing in regards to the universal install disc and the packages disc. Am I wrong? Yes, for a networkless install you would normally use the universal CD + packages CD. The day I have access to a faster connection is coming up this Wednesday and I am hoping to clarify what I need so that I can consider trying out a Gentoo install. So, in short, which specific iso images can I use to achieve a reasonably complete non-binary Gentoo installation without any internet access whatsoever? An install from source REQUIRES net access since the bootstrap script downloads and builds each package - so a binary-less install without net access is a contradiction in terms. Oh, I see. That would explain why I had trouble figuring out what was what in that regard. The one thing you could try is pre-downloading all the tarballs you are likely to need for the bootstrap, kernel and various utils you need, burn them to a CD, then put them in the /usr/portage/distfiles during the install... I may have to look into that. Unfortunately that many individual files is tough to download as I cannot monitor the computer I am using and generally have to go in early, click a download and come back much later to burn it. It is a Windows machine which makes it tougher for me to use things like wget scripts which could be put together for my computer. But perhaps it is an option I can work on. Thanks for the information. patrick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Clarification on iso downloads
cothrige wrote: The one thing you could try is pre-downloading all the tarballs you are likely to need for the bootstrap, kernel and various utils you need, burn them to a CD, then put them in the /usr/portage/distfiles during the install... I may have to look into that. Unfortunately that many individual files is tough to download as I cannot monitor the computer I am using and generally have to go in early, click a download and come back much later to burn it. It is a Windows machine which makes it tougher for me to use things like wget scripts which could be put together for my computer. But perhaps it is an option I can work on. No, it works perfectly this way. I've done it. With this trick, I went to school with a CD-RW and grabbed all the files I needed, plus the stage1 and Portage tarballs. Just don't update Portage or run emerge --sync until you get a network connection or else it may want to download updated sources. There's a Windows version of wget somewhere out there. Get that, and get a list of all the files you need (something like emerge -fpu system 2 filelist.txt). Then go to a DOS prompt and type wget -i filelist.txt. Finally, you play the waiting game... -- Colin -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
