Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:56:58 +0300 (EEST) Igor Nemilentsev trez...@gmail.com wrote the words: Greetings, I'm having exactly the same problem and have been trying to fix it. Could you please specify where in xorg.conf you placed setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp Please enter it in command line. And where is the hal configuration file you inserted input.xkb.options terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp I have it in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ I just added. merge key=input.xkb.options type=stringgrp:caps_toggle,grp_led:scroll,grp:switch,compose:ralt,terminate:ctrl_alt_ bksp/merge Thanks so much for the specifics. These still haven't fixed my system. Does anyone know if this is something the Gentoo developers are going to fix down the road? Highly annoying, as others have already mentioned. Skippy
Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs
On Tuesday 28 July 2009 13:23:13 Skippy wrote: On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:56:58 +0300 (EEST) Igor Nemilentsev trez...@gmail.com wrote the words: Greetings, I'm having exactly the same problem and have been trying to fix it. Could you please specify where in xorg.conf you placed setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp Please enter it in command line. And where is the hal configuration file you inserted input.xkb.options terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp I have it in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ I just added. merge key=input.xkb.options type=stringgrp:caps_toggle,grp_led:scroll,grp:switch,compose:ralt,term inate:ctrl_alt_ bksp/merge Thanks so much for the specifics. These still haven't fixed my system. Does anyone know if this is something the Gentoo developers are going to fix down the road? Highly annoying, as others have already mentioned. The problem has little if anything to do with Gentoo developers (who keep things as close to upstream as possible), and everything to do with the upstream developers of Xorg and hal. The fix is per their timetable. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 13:26:20 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote the words: The problem has little if anything to do with Gentoo developers (who keep things as close to upstream as possible), and everything to do with the upstream developers of Xorg and hal. The fix is per their timetable. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com Yes, I get your point. I didn't mean to imply the Gentoo folks are doing this. I should have asked - is there some kind of work around or temporary fix that the Gentoo developers can implement until it's really fixed. :) Skippy
Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs
On 28 Jul, Skippy wrote: On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:56:58 +0300 (EEST) Igor Nemilentsev trez...@gmail.com wrote the words: Greetings, I'm having exactly the same problem and have been trying to fix it. Could you please specify where in xorg.conf you placed setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp Please enter it in command line. And where is the hal configuration file you inserted input.xkb.options terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp I have it in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ I just added. merge key=input.xkb.options type=stringgrp:caps_toggle,grp_led:scroll,grp:switch,compose:ralt,terminate:ctrl_alt_ bksp/merge Thanks so much for the specifics. These still haven't fixed my system. Does anyone know if this is something the Gentoo developers are going to fix down the road? Highly annoying, as others have already mentioned. Here is my complete x11-input.fdi which works just fine. ?xml version=1.0 encoding=ISO-8859-1? deviceinfo version=0.2 device match key=info.capabilities contains=input.keyboard append key=info.callouts.add type=strlisthal-setup-keymap/append merge key=input.x11_options.XkbModel type=stringmicrosoft/merge merge key=input.x11_options.XkbRules type=stringxorg/merge merge key=input.x11_options.XkbLayout type=stringen_US/merge merge key=input.xkb.layout type=stringen_US/merge merge key=input.xkb.model type=stringmicrosoft/merge merge key=input.xkb.rules type=stringxorg/merge merge key=input.xkb.options type=stringterminate:ctrl_alt_bksp/merge/match /device /deviceinfo This is with an hal enabled x11-base/xorg-server-1.6.2-r1 and all x11-drivers, especially x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev x11-drivers/xf86-input-keyboard x11-drivers/xf86-input-mouse re-emergered after mering xorg-server. Helmut. -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany
[gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs
Hi, list I have emerged x11-base/xorg-server-1.6.2 with '+hal'. I have into xorg.conf Section ServerFlags Option DontZap false EndSection Nonetheless the Ctrl+Alt+Backspace combination doesn't work. Can someone give me advice?
Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs
On 24 Jul, Igor Nemilentsev wrote: Hi, list I have emerged x11-base/xorg-server-1.6.2 with '+hal'. I have into xorg.conf Section ServerFlags Option DontZap false EndSection Nonetheless the Ctrl+Alt+Backspace combination doesn't work. Can someone give me advice? AFAIK, the DontZap option applies to the key sequences Alt Fx to switch to a different terminal. I have the same problem here (same configuration), i.e. CtrlAltDel doesn't work. If you can't exit via your window manager anymore, I think, Neil Bothwick has posted the following advice some days ago: If you find yourself without a keyboard or mouse and can't get back to a console, press and hold alt + sysreq then hit R and E. I did this the other day and it took me back to a console. You're thinking of the complete Alt-SysRq sequence to (relatively) cleanly reboot. Alt-SysRq-R returns keyboard control after it has been locked out by X. You should then be able to do Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get back to your VC. I got some SysRq commands printed out tho. Question, do I have to hit the Alt key each time or what? Hold down Atl, hold down SysRq, press each of the keys in turn. The usual full sequence is R-E-I-S-U-B Reboot Even If System Utterly Broken - Then for example on tty2 start sleep 300 ; /etc/init.d/xdm stop ; killall X and on tty1 do /etc/init.d/xdm start Another approach is to use acpid. I've read this tip here posted by Volker Hemmann IIRC. If you use acpid, there should be a file called /etc/acpi/default.sh Modify it, substituting the lines: 19 case $action in 20 power) 21/sbin/init 0 with 19 case $action in 20 power) 21/usr/bin/chvt 1 then do /etc/init.d/acpid restart. Now pressing the power button on your machine should switch to the active TTY to tty1 -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany
Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs
On Freitag 24 Juli 2009, Igor Nemilentsev wrote: Hi, list I have emerged x11-base/xorg-server-1.6.2 with '+hal'. I have into xorg.conf Section ServerFlags Option DontZap false EndSection Nonetheless the Ctrl+Alt+Backspace combination doesn't work. Can someone give me advice? complain to the fedora idiots who thought that zapping is not needed anymore?
Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Freitag 24 Juli 2009, Igor Nemilentsev wrote: Hi, list I have emerged x11-base/xorg-server-1.6.2 with '+hal'. I have into xorg.conf Section ServerFlags Option DontZap false EndSection Nonetheless the Ctrl+Alt+Backspace combination doesn't work. Can someone give me advice? complain to the fedora idiots who thought that zapping is not needed anymore? I don't have any of that in my file and it works fine, well, except when I do xorg-server with hal enabled. Then NOTHING keyboard/mouse related works. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Helmut Jarausch wrote: AFAIK, the DontZap option applies to the key sequences Alt Fx to switch to a different terminal. No, the Ctrl+Alt+Fn sequence behaviour is changed with the option Option DontVTSwitch I have the same problem here (same configuration), i.e. CtrlAltDel doesn't work. If you can't exit via your window manager anymore, I think, Neil Bothwick has posted the following advice some days ago: I figured out to return old style I need this command: setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp Or add input.xkb.options terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp in configuration file of hal. Thanks for the advice. Regards, Nemilentsev Igor
Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs
I have emerged x11-base/xorg-server-1.6.2 with '+hal'. I have into xorg.conf Section ServerFlags Option DontZap false EndSection Nonetheless the Ctrl+Alt+Backspace combination doesn't work. Can someone give me advice? complain to the fedora idiots who thought that zapping is not needed anymore? I don't know but do fedora's developers have an very serious influence on Xorg development ?
Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:16:34 +0300 (EEST), Igor Nemilentsev wrote: complain to the fedora idiots who thought that zapping is not needed anymore? I don't know but do fedora's developers have an very serious influence on Xorg development ? According to man xorg.conf, DontVTSwitch and DontZap both default to off. I can see the use for such options, when you don't want your users exiting X or even specific programs, but the default seems sensible. Is it just Fedora that change the defaults? -- Neil Bothwick I locked my coathanger in my car; good thing I had a key. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs
On 24 Jul, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:16:34 +0300 (EEST), Igor Nemilentsev wrote: complain to the fedora idiots who thought that zapping is not needed anymore? I don't know but do fedora's developers have an very serious influence on Xorg development ? According to man xorg.conf, DontVTSwitch and DontZap both default to off. I can see the use for such options, when you don't want your users exiting X or even specific programs, but the default seems sensible. Is it just Fedora that change the defaults? No, it's Gentoo itself. Running xorg-server-1.6.2-r1 (+hal) It seems a 'hal' 'feature' see the post of Igor this morning, Helmut. -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany
Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs
On Freitag 24 Juli 2009, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:16:34 +0300 (EEST), Igor Nemilentsev wrote: complain to the fedora idiots who thought that zapping is not needed anymore? I don't know but do fedora's developers have an very serious influence on Xorg development ? According to man xorg.conf, DontVTSwitch and DontZap both default to off. I can see the use for such options, when you don't want your users exiting X or even specific programs, but the default seems sensible. Is it just Fedora that change the defaults? no, they changed the default from DontZap false to DontZap true. And all of its proponents are fedora/redhat devs. Because ctrl+alt+backspace is bad for emacs users (wtf? I have used emacs in the past - never a problem) or poor stupid people hit it accidentally (and what happens when you do it in windows?). So they changed this eternal old default. No matter that it is extremly usefull to quickly kill a misbehaving X - or as a nice way to log out of kde/gnome/whatever without having to click some confirmation first. of course - ubuntu was happy about the change. But ubuntu is made for ... grr
Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs
On 24 Jul 2009, at 12:53, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: ... Because ctrl+alt+backspace ... poor stupid people hit it accidentally (and what happens when you do it in windows?). In Windows it (nowadays) takes you to a menu, which you can easily escape out of. That menu allows you to lock the screen session, bring up task manager, change your password or log out of the PC. I have no idea what it does on Linux, because Linux I use headless on servers. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs
I don't know but do fedora's developers have an very serious influence on Xorg development ? According to man xorg.conf, DontVTSwitch and DontZap both default to off. I can see the use for such options, when you don't want your users exiting X or even specific programs, but the default seems sensible. Is it just Fedora that change the defaults? Yes, this options is default off. And this means that Zap and VTSwitch is allowed.( no dontzap) If option DontZap is off that means that Ctrl-Alt-Bs should work. Nonetheless the option DontVTSwitch acts as expected but DontZap doesn't. As I think it is embedded into source or into default compilation options that we are forced ( if need) to apply some things which wasn't required before. As least if xorg is compiled with hal. By the way Ubuntu and Fedora have the package named dontzap. Why:) Regards, Nemilentsev Igor Email:trez...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs
Greetings, I'm having exactly the same problem and have been trying to fix it. Could you please specify where in xorg.conf you placed setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp And where is the hal configuration file you inserted input.xkb.options terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp Thanks so very much, this is driving me nuts! Skippy On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:44:59 +0300 (EEST) Igor Nemilentsev trez...@gmail.com wrote the words: On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Helmut Jarausch wrote: AFAIK, the DontZap option applies to the key sequences Alt Fx to switch to a different terminal. No, the Ctrl+Alt+Fn sequence behaviour is changed with the option Option DontVTSwitch I have the same problem here (same configuration), i.e. CtrlAltDel doesn't work. If you can't exit via your window manager anymore, I think, Neil Bothwick has posted the following advice some days ago: I figured out to return old style I need this command: setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp Or add input.xkb.options terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp in configuration file of hal. Thanks for the advice. Regards, Nemilentsev Igor
Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs
Greetings, I'm having exactly the same problem and have been trying to fix it. Could you please specify where in xorg.conf you placed setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp Please enter it in command line. And where is the hal configuration file you inserted input.xkb.options terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp I have it in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ I just added. merge key=input.xkb.options type=stringgrp:caps_toggle,grp_led:scroll,grp:switch,compose:ralt,terminate:ctrl_alt_ bksp/merge
