Re: [gentoo-user] FW: mail-mta/exim (is blocking mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2) (more info added)
On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 05:09 +0200, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: The equal sign was a mistake. I've actually been meaning to poke you about that. At the same time you should drop the --emptytree parsing and just use --deep directly. With the circular deps in the tree now that gets much better results. The use of --emptytree has already been removed in the the 0.2.4 versions of gentoolkit. 2007-03-07 Paul Varner [EMAIL PROTECTED] * revdep-rebuild: Change ordering algorithm to use --deep instead of --emptytree on the advice of zmedico So that one is already completed. Regards, Paul -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FW: mail-mta/exim (is blocking mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2) (more info added)
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 05:39:01 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: However, paludis does have some missing features that may be critical for your environment: binary packages (both building and using) True. And it misses pkgmoves and slotmoves (profiles/updates/*). and a revdep-rebuild equivalent (although this can be hacked around) With the ruby use flag there's check_linkage.rb. AND you can't simply switch between using paludis and emerge/portage; they use the same VDB, but repositories are configured differently So if you want to use both at the same time you can either keep their configs synchronized manually or use the portage use flag for paludis and run it with '-E portage' (the latter loses features though). -- Bo Andresen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] FW: mail-mta/exim (is blocking mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2) (more info added)
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 07:20:45 Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: On Wednesday 30 May 2007 05:39:01 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: However, paludis does have some missing features that may be critical for your environment: a revdep-rebuild equivalent (although this can be hacked around) With the ruby use flag there's check_linkage.rb. I didn't know about that. I've been using revdep-rebuild, but having it pass cat-egory/package as an additional argument to emerge, which cause the emerge to fail. I then run paludis using packages from one of revdep-rebuild's temporary files. Finally I remove revdep-rebuild's temporary files. It's a nasty hack, but it has worked so far. I found check_linkage.rb, but it's not installed (or linked) to any of the standard $PATH directories. Instead, it's in a demo directory. Is it fully functional? -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ pgpNAZg34RJwf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] FW: mail-mta/exim (is blocking mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2) (more info added)
On Thursday 31 May 2007 04:09:10 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: I found check_linkage.rb, but it's not installed (or linked) to any of the standard $PATH directories. Instead, it's in a demo directory. Is it fully functional? Yes. You run it with ruby. It does still lack a couple of features though. Namely --library and the ability to pick another version when the ebuild for an installed version has been removed. At least the latter is soon to come. But at least it will never use the horrible hack that revdep-rebuild uses with --package-names because of the lack of support for the =category/package-version:slot syntax in portage-2.0* which it still supports.. :) -- Bo Andresen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] FW: mail-mta/exim (is blocking mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2) (more info added)
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 21:20:52 Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: On Thursday 31 May 2007 04:09:10 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: I found check_linkage.rb, but it's not installed (or linked) to any of the standard $PATH directories. Instead, it's in a demo directory. Is it fully functional? Yes. You run it with ruby. Yeah, I figured a .rb was run with ruby. :P If it's really useful, it should be chmod'd +x and installed or linked into /usr/sbin. I can do that myself (in that case /usr/local/sbin), but such wonderful utilities shouldn't be hidden. :) It does still lack a couple of features though. Namely --library and the ability to pick another version when the ebuild for an installed version has been removed. At least the latter is soon to come. I noticed it was also trying to reinstall all my binary-only packages: sun-jdk, blackdown-jdk, skype, and emul-linux-x86-compat. I guess revdep-rebuild has some blacklist that prevents it from doing so. But at least it will never use the horrible hack that revdep-rebuild uses with --package-names because of the lack of support for the =category/package-version:slot syntax in portage-2.0* which it still supports.. :) You mean that portage actually supports slot deps now? -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ pgpr0zqBz2ntK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] FW: mail-mta/exim (is blocking mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2) (more info added)
On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 04:20 +0200, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: But at least it will never use the horrible hack that revdep-rebuild uses with --package-names because of the lack of support for the =category/package-version:slot syntax in portage-2.0* which it still supports.. :) Hey, I'm proud of that horrible hack! However, on that note, I can't wait to get rid of it and use the =category/package-version:slot syntax. I've been strongly thinking of doing it in 0.2.4 which is in the pre-release cycle right now. Regards, Paul -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FW: mail-mta/exim (is blocking mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2) (more info added)
On Thursday 31 May 2007 04:37:52 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: If it's really useful, it should be chmod'd +x and installed or linked into /usr/sbin. I can do that myself (in that case /usr/local/sbin), but such wonderful utilities shouldn't be hidden. :) I can't really disagree with that, heh. It has been added to the faq though, however, it won't go online till the next release. It does still lack a couple of features though. Namely --library and the ability to pick another version when the ebuild for an installed version has been removed. At least the latter is soon to come. I noticed it was also trying to reinstall all my binary-only packages: sun-jdk, blackdown-jdk, skype, and emul-linux-x86-compat. I guess revdep-rebuild has some blacklist that prevents it from doing so. Ah yeah, forgot that one. It doesn't parse the variables that control where revdep-rebuild should and shouldn't look and what libs it should ignore. Instead it iterates over each installed package and runs ldd on every *.la and *.so* file. But at least it will never use the horrible hack that revdep-rebuild uses with --package-names because of the lack of support for the =category/package-version:slot syntax in portage-2.0* which it still supports.. :) You mean that portage actually supports slot deps now? Yes. There shouldn't have been an equal sign though. Using it in the tree is against policy, however, until we get an EAPI bump. But the new python-updater does take advantage of it and drops the horrible hacks it used to use. Also because portage has become much better at figuring out the build order with --deep when handed a list of broken packages in random order. Really dropping the horrible hacks in revdep-rebuild would be easy when just raising the dependency on portage to =2.1.2. -- Bo Andresen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] FW: mail-mta/exim (is blocking mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2) (more info added)
On Thursday 31 May 2007 04:57:53 Paul Varner wrote: But at least it will never use the horrible hack that revdep-rebuild uses with --package-names because of the lack of support for the =category/package-version:slot syntax in portage-2.0* which it still supports.. :) Hey, I'm proud of that horrible hack! Didn't say you shouldn't be. It was necessary when you made it. However, on that note, I can't wait to get rid of it and use the =category/package-version:slot syntax. I've been strongly thinking of doing it in 0.2.4 which is in the pre-release cycle right now. The equal sign was a mistake. I've actually been meaning to poke you about that. At the same time you should drop the --emptytree parsing and just use --deep directly. With the circular deps in the tree now that gets much better results. :) -- Bo Andresen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] FW: mail-mta/exim (is blocking mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2) (more info added)
I haven't done an emerge on my server in quite a while, but now that I've upgraded the CPU/RAM, I figure it's about time. There are a few packages I'm a bit apprehensive about upgrading. exim being one. I hate that MTA. It was a nightmare to setup and get working properly, and now I don't want to break it. (a friend set it up actually, as that was the MTA he used.) daevid portage # esearch exim * mail-mta/exim Latest version available: 4.67 Latest version installed: 4.54 Size of downloaded files: [no/bad digest] Homepage:http://www.exim.org/ So I have this in my package.mask: =mail-mta/exim-4.55 (Is this upgrade from 4.54 to 4.67 very smooth? Should I worry? I dread having to deal with exim.conf again, and the exim users list is very elitist. Usually saying RTFM for most issues -- but they all are experts or mail admins. I'm not. Nor do I want to be.) But when I do an emerge -aut world, I get this blocking issue: These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order: ...snip... [nomerge ] x11-misc/xscreensaver-5.02 [5.01-r2] [nomerge ] x11-apps/appres-1.0.1 [1.0.0] [ebuild U ] x11-libs/libX11-1.1.1-r1 [1.0.3-r1] USE=-xcb% [nomerge ] sys-process/vixie-cron-4.1-r10 [4.1-r9] [ebuild N] mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2 USE=ipv6 ssl -mailwrapper -md5sum [nomerge ] kde-base/kdegraphics-3.5.5-r2 [3.5.5] [nomerge ] media-libs/lcms-1.15 [1.14-r1] USE=-tiff* [nomerge ] dev-lang/swig-1.3.31 [1.3.25] USE=ruby* -lua% -mono% -ocaml% -pike% [nomerge ]dev-lang/php-5.2.2-r1 [5.2.1-r3] [nomerge ] net-misc/curl-7.15.1-r1 [7.15.1] USE=ldap* -idn* [ebuild U ] net-nds/openldap-2.3.30-r2 [2.3.27] USE=-smbkrb5passwd% [nomerge ] media-gfx/imagemagick-6.3.3 [6.2.9.5] [ebuild U ] x11-libs/libXt-1.0.5 [1.0.4] ...snip... [blocks B ] mail-mta/exim (is blocking mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2) (also, I never understand the --tree option. Does this mean that vixie-cron is the issue, or kdegraphics is the issue? Being reverse order, I am guessing vixie-cron, yet it says nomerge so that seems like, why would it care, plus it's worked fine all these years with the exim I have installed. Conversely, why would kdegraphics give a hoot about a mail transport? I don't get it.) And maybe I'm using this tool wrong, but this just adds to my confusion. daevid portage # equery depends mail-mta/ssmtp [ Searching for packages depending on mail-mta/ssmtp... ] daevid portage # equery depends mail-mta/exim [ Searching for packages depending on mail-mta/exim... ] app-admin/sudo-1.6.8_p9-r2 (virtual/mta) app-admin/tripwire-2.3.1.2-r2 (virtual/mta) dev-lang/php-5.2.1-r3 (virtual/mta) mail-client/mailx-8.1.2.20040524-r1 (virtual/mta) mail-filter/procmail-3.22-r7 (virtual/mta) net-mail/mailman-2.1.5-r4 (virtual/mta) sys-power/apcupsd-3.10.18-r1 (virtual/mta) sys-process/vixie-cron-4.1-r9 (virtual/mta) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FW: mail-mta/exim (is blocking mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2) (more info added)
On Tuesday 29 May 2007, Daevid Vincent wrote: I haven't done an emerge on my server in quite a while, but now that I've upgraded the CPU/RAM, I figure it's about time. There are a few packages I'm a bit apprehensive about upgrading. exim being one. I hate that MTA. It was a nightmare to setup and get working properly, and now I don't want to break it. (a friend set it up actually, as that was the MTA he used.) daevid portage # esearch exim * mail-mta/exim Latest version available: 4.67 Latest version installed: 4.54 Size of downloaded files: [no/bad digest] Homepage:http://www.exim.org/ So I have this in my package.mask: =mail-mta/exim-4.55 That's correct. If you are happy with exim-4.55 and there's no reaosn you can find to upgrade it, just stick with what you have (Is this upgrade from 4.54 to 4.67 very smooth? Should I worry? I dread having to deal with exim.conf again, and the exim users list is very elitist. Usually saying RTFM for most issues -- but they all are experts or mail admins. I'm not. Nor do I want to be.) But when I do an emerge -aut world, I get this blocking issue: A better command is probably 'emerge -avuNDt world'. This will pick up changes in USE flags (N) and also update any dependencies that are not in world (D) These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order: ...snip... [nomerge ] x11-misc/xscreensaver-5.02 [5.01-r2] [nomerge ] x11-apps/appres-1.0.1 [1.0.0] [ebuild U ] x11-libs/libX11-1.1.1-r1 [1.0.3-r1] USE=-xcb% [nomerge ] sys-process/vixie-cron-4.1-r10 [4.1-r9] [ebuild N] mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2 USE=ipv6 ssl -mailwrapper -md5sum [nomerge ] kde-base/kdegraphics-3.5.5-r2 [3.5.5] [nomerge ] media-libs/lcms-1.15 [1.14-r1] USE=-tiff* [nomerge ] dev-lang/swig-1.3.31 [1.3.25] USE=ruby* -lua% -mono% -ocaml% -pike% [nomerge ]dev-lang/php-5.2.2-r1 [5.2.1-r3] [nomerge ] net-misc/curl-7.15.1-r1 [7.15.1] USE=ldap* -idn* [ebuild U ] net-nds/openldap-2.3.30-r2 [2.3.27] USE=-smbkrb5passwd% [nomerge ] media-gfx/imagemagick-6.3.3 [6.2.9.5] [ebuild U ] x11-libs/libXt-1.0.5 [1.0.4] ...snip... [blocks B ] mail-mta/exim (is blocking mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2) (also, I never understand the --tree option. Does this mean that vixie-cron is the issue, or kdegraphics is the issue? Being reverse order, I am guessing vixie-cron, yet it says nomerge so that seems like, why would it care, plus it's worked fine all these years with the exim I have installed. Conversely, why would kdegraphics give a hoot about a mail transport? I don't get it.) It means that vixie-cron depends on ssmtp (i.e. vixie-cron uses ssmtp for some reason). Obviously, ssmtp will be merged first so that it is there when vixie-cron is merged. The output does indeed show that packages will be emerged in bottom-up order, but the list of dependencies is top-down. The vixie-cron ebuild inherits the cron eclass, and that file has this: RDEPEND=!virtual/cron virtual/mta =sys-process/cronbase-0.3.2 So it wants a virtual mta, and somehow believes that exim doesn't provide it, so portage has (helpfully...) suggested ssmtp. vixie-cron doesn't need to be recompiled, as it's an RDEPEND and only needed at run time (hence the nomerge) I would suggest you investigate why portage thinks exim does not provice virtual/mta capabilities And maybe I'm using this tool wrong, but this just adds to my confusion. daevid portage # equery depends mail-mta/ssmtp [ Searching for packages depending on mail-mta/ssmtp... ] daevid portage # equery depends mail-mta/exim [ Searching for packages depending on mail-mta/exim... ] app-admin/sudo-1.6.8_p9-r2 (virtual/mta) app-admin/tripwire-2.3.1.2-r2 (virtual/mta) dev-lang/php-5.2.1-r3 (virtual/mta) mail-client/mailx-8.1.2.20040524-r1 (virtual/mta) mail-filter/procmail-3.22-r7 (virtual/mta) net-mail/mailman-2.1.5-r4 (virtual/mta) sys-power/apcupsd-3.10.18-r1 (virtual/mta) sys-process/vixie-cron-4.1-r9 (virtual/mta) What's confusing about that? equery found 8 packages that claim to depends (or use) ssmtp. That's perfectly normal. It's the packages that depend on ssmtp, not the packages you have installed and are configured/USE-flagged to use it alan -- Optimists say the glass is half full, Pessimists say the glass is half empty, Developers say wtf is the glass twice as big as it needs to be? Alan McKinnon alan at linuxholdings dot co dot za +27 82, double three seven, one nine three five -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] FW: mail-mta/exim (is blocking mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2) (more info added)
On Tuesday 29 May 2007 10:32:23 Daevid Vincent wrote: * mail-mta/exim Latest version available: 4.67 Latest version installed: 4.54 Size of downloaded files: [no/bad digest] Homepage:http://www.exim.org/ So I have this in my package.mask: =mail-mta/exim-4.55 [SNIP] [nomerge ] sys-process/vixie-cron-4.1-r10 [4.1-r9] [ebuild N] mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2 USE=ipv6 ssl -mailwrapper [SNIP] [blocks B ] mail-mta/exim (is blocking mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2) (also, I never understand the --tree option. Does this mean that vixie-cron is the issue, or kdegraphics is the issue? Being reverse order, I am guessing vixie-cron, yet it says nomerge so that seems like, why would it care, plus it's worked fine all these years with the exim I have installed. vixie-cron has a run-time dependency on virtual/mta which can be satisfied by both exim and ssmtp (and 8 other packages in the tree). ssmtp is the default provider. What has happened is that all versions of exim in the tree that you haven't masked have been removed from the tree. I.e. there are no versions in the tree below 4.55. Therefore it suggests installing the default provider of virtual/mta which is blocked by the version of exim which is still installed although not installable (not in the tree). It matters despite the nomerge because it's a run-time dependency rather than build-time. You have at least four options. The first option is to upgrade exim and hope it'll work. I have no knowledge about exim so I cannot tell you whether it will. The second is to restore the ebuild for your installed version in an overlay (you can pull it from /var/db/pkg/mail-mta/exim-4.54/) thereby restoring a non-masked version of exim.. The third is to add mail-mta/exim to package.provided (see `man portage`). The fourth is to unmerge exim and use another mta (I'm using postfix). -- Bo Andresen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] FW: mail-mta/exim (is blocking mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2) (more info added)
On Tuesday 29 May 2007 06:51:12 Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: On Tuesday 29 May 2007 10:32:23 Daevid Vincent wrote: * mail-mta/exim Latest version available: 4.67 Latest version installed: 4.54 Size of downloaded files: [no/bad digest] Homepage:http://www.exim.org/ So I have this in my package.mask: =mail-mta/exim-4.55 [SNIP] [nomerge ] sys-process/vixie-cron-4.1-r10 [4.1-r9] [ebuild N] mail-mta/ssmtp-2.61-r2 USE=ipv6 ssl -mailwrapper vixie-cron has a run-time dependency on virtual/mta which can be satisfied by both exim and ssmtp (and 8 other packages in the tree). ssmtp is the default provider. It matters despite the nomerge because it's a run-time dependency rather than build-time. You have at least four options. Another, less tenable, option is to use paludis as your package manager. It will satisfy dependencies (including virtuals) with installed packages. Also, paludis's --show-reasons summary option is usually easier to understand and more informative than emerge/portage's --tree option. However, paludis does have some missing features that may be critical for your environment: binary packages (both building and using) and a revdep-rebuild equivalent (although this can be hacked around) AND you can't simply switch between using paludis and emerge/portage; they use the same VDB, but repositories are configured differently and paludis can perform some caching that emerge/portage will not use/update. It also runs the ebuild test phase by default which results in more merge failures and thus more required interaction; you can turn that off if you desire. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ pgp5UWuEL5RKe.pgp Description: PGP signature
