Re: [gentoo-user] Fire the fox.
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.ukwrote: On 25 Sep 2010, at 03:17, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: ... I've heard good things about it, but I'm under the impression it is not free (as in beer). Is that true? I don't know but I can emerge -q icc There is other non-Free software you can install with Portage. Just yesterday I was looking at games-fps/ut2003 and games-fps/ut2004 - I believe these require the game's installer CDs to work. I would imagine that if you were to emerge ICC it would require an activation key before it would compile anything, otherwise we'd all be using it. Wouldn't that be kind of senseless since the source code is distributed? Knowing it would not be hard to bypass the activation key, if they wanted money for it they wouldn't let the source code out, license or no license. Just because you can emerge a package doesn't mean the full source is distributed. It could be a binary package, it could contain a small binary blob for activation. Paul Hartman provides more info in his post of 24 September 2010 23:16:30 GMT+01:00, but I was specifically replying to the assumption or implication if it can be emerged it must be free. You are right. Thanks for the clarification. ++ kevin -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
Re: [gentoo-user] Fire the fox.
On 25 Sep 2010, at 03:17, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: ... I've heard good things about it, but I'm under the impression it is not free (as in beer). Is that true? I don't know but I can emerge -q icc There is other non-Free software you can install with Portage. Just yesterday I was looking at games-fps/ut2003 and games-fps/ut2004 - I believe these require the game's installer CDs to work. I would imagine that if you were to emerge ICC it would require an activation key before it would compile anything, otherwise we'd all be using it. Wouldn't that be kind of senseless since the source code is distributed? Knowing it would not be hard to bypass the activation key, if they wanted money for it they wouldn't let the source code out, license or no license. Just because you can emerge a package doesn't mean the full source is distributed. It could be a binary package, it could contain a small binary blob for activation. Paul Hartman provides more info in his post of 24 September 2010 23:16:30 GMT+01:00, but I was specifically replying to the assumption or implication if it can be emerged it must be free. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Fire the fox.
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Beau Henderson b...@thehenderson.comwrote: On 09/22/10 07:31, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Monday 20 September 2010 16:38:05 Paul Hartman wrote: I haven't had any crashing or failing to start, but Firefox in Linux has always been pretty bad in general for me. Slow UI, unusable in NX (constant screen redraws; Thunderbird does the same thing), network stalling for MINUTES at a time, slow to load, etc. Other browsers on the same machine don't suffer any of these problems. I don't use Firefox as my primary browser because it is so flaky. That's odd, because on this newish i5 box, which is suffering really severe responsiveness problems otherwise, FF responds to my commands smartly. Firefox for windows is compiled with PGO via ICC which apparently improves performance quite a bit. I believe there are issues when firefox is compiled with GCC via PGO and in any case, there is no support for PGO building of Firefox @ gentoo afaik. I wish I had the time and knowledge to whip up an ebuild that could do the magic to test it out tho. Any takers ? :P Uh, what are PGO and ICC?? I also must add that I get decent performance from the fox on Ubuntu let alone Vista, which makes me take your suggestion about build parameters seriously. ++ kevin -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
Re: [gentoo-user] Fire the fox.
On 09/24/10 09:48, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Beau Henderson b...@thehenderson.com mailto:b...@thehenderson.com wrote: On 09/22/10 07:31, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Monday 20 September 2010 16:38:05 Paul Hartman wrote: I haven't had any crashing or failing to start, but Firefox in Linux has always been pretty bad in general for me. Slow UI, unusable in NX (constant screen redraws; Thunderbird does the same thing), network stalling for MINUTES at a time, slow to load, etc. Other browsers on the same machine don't suffer any of these problems. I don't use Firefox as my primary browser because it is so flaky. That's odd, because on this newish i5 box, which is suffering really severe responsiveness problems otherwise, FF responds to my commands smartly. Firefox for windows is compiled with PGO via ICC which apparently improves performance quite a bit. I believe there are issues when firefox is compiled with GCC via PGO and in any case, there is no support for PGO building of Firefox @ gentoo afaik. I wish I had the time and knowledge to whip up an ebuild that could do the magic to test it out tho. Any takers ? :P Uh, what are PGO and ICC?? I also must add that I get decent performance from the fox on Ubuntu let alone Vista, which makes me take your suggestion about build parameters seriously. ++ kevin -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD ICC is the Intel C compiler.
Re: [gentoo-user] Fire the fox.
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Bill Longman bill.long...@gmail.comwrote: On 09/24/10 09:48, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Beau Henderson b...@thehenderson.comwrote: On 09/22/10 07:31, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Monday 20 September 2010 16:38:05 Paul Hartman wrote: I haven't had any crashing or failing to start, but Firefox in Linux has always been pretty bad in general for me. Slow UI, unusable in NX (constant screen redraws; Thunderbird does the same thing), network stalling for MINUTES at a time, slow to load, etc. Other browsers on the same machine don't suffer any of these problems. I don't use Firefox as my primary browser because it is so flaky. That's odd, because on this newish i5 box, which is suffering really severe responsiveness problems otherwise, FF responds to my commands smartly. Firefox for windows is compiled with PGO via ICC which apparently improves performance quite a bit. I believe there are issues when firefox is compiled with GCC via PGO and in any case, there is no support for PGO building of Firefox @ gentoo afaik. I wish I had the time and knowledge to whip up an ebuild that could do the magic to test it out tho. Any takers ? :P Uh, what are PGO and ICC?? I also must add that I get decent performance from the fox on Ubuntu let alone Vista, which makes me take your suggestion about build parameters seriously. ICC is the Intel C compiler. Ahh.. I've heard good things about it, but I'm under the impression it is not free (as in beer). Is that true? -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
Re: [gentoo-user] Fire the fox.
On Friday 24 September 2010 10:26:54 pm Kevin O'Gorman wrote: Ahh.. I've heard good things about it, but I'm under the impression it is not free (as in beer). Is that true? true. -- - Yohan Pereira.
Re: [gentoo-user] Fire the fox.
On 09/24/10 09:56, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Bill Longman bill.long...@gmail.com mailto:bill.long...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/24/10 09:48, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Beau Henderson b...@thehenderson.com mailto:b...@thehenderson.com wrote: On 09/22/10 07:31, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Monday 20 September 2010 16:38:05 Paul Hartman wrote: I haven't had any crashing or failing to start, but Firefox in Linux has always been pretty bad in general for me. Slow UI, unusable in NX (constant screen redraws; Thunderbird does the same thing), network stalling for MINUTES at a time, slow to load, etc. Other browsers on the same machine don't suffer any of these problems. I don't use Firefox as my primary browser because it is so flaky. That's odd, because on this newish i5 box, which is suffering really severe responsiveness problems otherwise, FF responds to my commands smartly. Firefox for windows is compiled with PGO via ICC which apparently improves performance quite a bit. I believe there are issues when firefox is compiled with GCC via PGO and in any case, there is no support for PGO building of Firefox @ gentoo afaik. I wish I had the time and knowledge to whip up an ebuild that could do the magic to test it out tho. Any takers ? :P Uh, what are PGO and ICC?? I also must add that I get decent performance from the fox on Ubuntu let alone Vista, which makes me take your suggestion about build parameters seriously. ICC is the Intel C compiler. Ahh.. I've heard good things about it, but I'm under the impression it is not free (as in beer). Is that true? -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD I don't know but I can emerge -q icc
Re: [gentoo-user] Fire the fox.
On 09/24/10 08:11, a...@sourcegarden.de wrote: On 09/22/2010 12:23 AM, Beau Henderson wrote: On 09/22/10 07:31, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Monday 20 September 2010 16:38:05 Paul Hartman wrote: I haven't had any crashing or failing to start, but Firefox in Linux has always been pretty bad in general for me. Slow UI, unusable in NX (constant screen redraws; Thunderbird does the same thing), network stalling for MINUTES at a time, slow to load, etc. Other browsers on the same machine don't suffer any of these problems. I don't use Firefox as my primary browser because it is so flaky. That's odd, because on this newish i5 box, which is suffering really severe responsiveness problems otherwise, FF responds to my commands smartly. Firefox for windows is compiled with PGO via ICC which apparently improves performance quite a bit. I believe there are issues when firefox is compiled with GCC via PGO and in any case, there is no support for PGO building of Firefox @ gentoo afaik. I wish I had the time and knowledge to whip up an ebuild that could do the magic to test it out tho. Any takers ? :P You really think that wood change the unstable problem? -- *Sourcegarden GmbH* *HR:* B-104357 *Steuernummer:* 37/167/21214*USt-ID* DE814784953 *Geschäftsführer:* Mario Scheliga, Rene Otto *Bank:* Deutsche Bank, *BLZ:* 10070024, *KTO:* 0810929 *Adresse:* Schönhauser Allee 55, 10437 Berlin Stability, probably not. Performance, probably so. I haven't had any stability issues aside from the NSPR troubles. -- Kind Regards, Beau Henderson
Re: [gentoo-user] Fire the fox.
On 24 Sep 2010, at 20:15, Bill Longman wrote: ... Uh, what are PGO and ICC?? I also must add that I get decent performance from the fox on Ubuntu let alone Vista, which makes me take your suggestion about build parameters seriously. ICC is the Intel C compiler. Ahh.. I've heard good things about it, but I'm under the impression it is not free (as in beer). Is that true? I don't know but I can emerge -q icc There is other non-Free software you can install with Portage. Just yesterday I was looking at games-fps/ut2003 and games-fps/ut2004 - I believe these require the game's installer CDs to work. I would imagine that if you were to emerge ICC it would require an activation key before it would compile anything, otherwise we'd all be using it. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Fire the fox.
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: On 24 Sep 2010, at 20:15, Bill Longman wrote: ... Uh, what are PGO and ICC?? I also must add that I get decent performance from the fox on Ubuntu let alone Vista, which makes me take your suggestion about build parameters seriously. ICC is the Intel C compiler. Ahh.. I've heard good things about it, but I'm under the impression it is not free (as in beer). Is that true? I don't know but I can emerge -q icc There is other non-Free software you can install with Portage. Just yesterday I was looking at games-fps/ut2003 and games-fps/ut2004 - I believe these require the game's installer CDs to work. I would imagine that if you were to emerge ICC it would require an activation key before it would compile anything, otherwise we'd all be using it. According to the Gentoo Wiki, a free non-commercial license is available, ICC is not fully compatible with GCC, and the list of packages that work well with ICC is rather short (though that in itself doesn't mean anything other than whoever made the wiki typed a short list). I have not personally tried it.
Re: [gentoo-user] Fire the fox.
On 09/24/2010 06:16 PM, Paul Hartman wrote: On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: On 24 Sep 2010, at 20:15, Bill Longman wrote: ... Uh, what are PGO and ICC?? I also must add that I get decent performance from the fox on Ubuntu let alone Vista, which makes me take your suggestion about build parameters seriously. ICC is the Intel C compiler. Ahh.. I've heard good things about it, but I'm under the impression it is not free (as in beer). Is that true? I don't know but I can emerge -q icc There is other non-Free software you can install with Portage. Just yesterday I was looking at games-fps/ut2003 and games-fps/ut2004 - I believe these require the game's installer CDs to work. I would imagine that if you were to emerge ICC it would require an activation key before it would compile anything, otherwise we'd all be using it. According to the Gentoo Wiki, a free non-commercial license is available, ICC is not fully compatible with GCC, and the list of packages that work well with ICC is rather short (though that in itself doesn't mean anything other than whoever made the wiki typed a short list). I have not personally tried it. AMD users may wish to confirm that ICC no longer cripples its output for non-Intel chips: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_C%2B%2B_Compiler#Criticism
Re: [gentoo-user] Fire the fox.
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.ukwrote: On 24 Sep 2010, at 20:15, Bill Longman wrote: ... Uh, what are PGO and ICC?? I also must add that I get decent performance from the fox on Ubuntu let alone Vista, which makes me take your suggestion about build parameters seriously. ICC is the Intel C compiler. Ahh.. I've heard good things about it, but I'm under the impression it is not free (as in beer). Is that true? I don't know but I can emerge -q icc There is other non-Free software you can install with Portage. Just yesterday I was looking at games-fps/ut2003 and games-fps/ut2004 - I believe these require the game's installer CDs to work. I would imagine that if you were to emerge ICC it would require an activation key before it would compile anything, otherwise we'd all be using it. Stroller. Wouldn't that be kind of senseless since the source code is distributed? Knowing it would not be hard to bypass the activation key, if they wanted money for it they wouldn't let the source code out, license or no license. Just my $.02 ++ kevin -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
Re: [gentoo-user] Fire the fox.
On 09/22/2010 12:23 AM, Beau Henderson wrote: On 09/22/10 07:31, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Monday 20 September 2010 16:38:05 Paul Hartman wrote: I haven't had any crashing or failing to start, but Firefox in Linux has always been pretty bad in general for me. Slow UI, unusable in NX (constant screen redraws; Thunderbird does the same thing), network stalling for MINUTES at a time, slow to load, etc. Other browsers on the same machine don't suffer any of these problems. I don't use Firefox as my primary browser because it is so flaky. That's odd, because on this newish i5 box, which is suffering really severe responsiveness problems otherwise, FF responds to my commands smartly. Firefox for windows is compiled with PGO via ICC which apparently improves performance quite a bit. I believe there are issues when firefox is compiled with GCC via PGO and in any case, there is no support for PGO building of Firefox @ gentoo afaik. I wish I had the time and knowledge to whip up an ebuild that could do the magic to test it out tho. Any takers ? :P You really think that wood change the unstable problem? -- Sourcegarden GmbH HR: B-104357 Steuernummer: 37/167/21214 USt-ID: DE814784953 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Mario Scheliga, Rene Otto Bank: Deutsche Bank, BLZ: 10070024, KTO: 0810929 Schoenhauser Allee 55, 10437 Berlin
Re: [gentoo-user] Fire the fox.
On Monday 20 September 2010 16:38:05 Paul Hartman wrote: I haven't had any crashing or failing to start, but Firefox in Linux has always been pretty bad in general for me. Slow UI, unusable in NX (constant screen redraws; Thunderbird does the same thing), network stalling for MINUTES at a time, slow to load, etc. Other browsers on the same machine don't suffer any of these problems. I don't use Firefox as my primary browser because it is so flaky. That's odd, because on this newish i5 box, which is suffering really severe responsiveness problems otherwise, FF responds to my commands smartly. -- Rgds Peter. Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.
Re: [gentoo-user] Fire the fox.
On 09/22/10 07:31, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Monday 20 September 2010 16:38:05 Paul Hartman wrote: I haven't had any crashing or failing to start, but Firefox in Linux has always been pretty bad in general for me. Slow UI, unusable in NX (constant screen redraws; Thunderbird does the same thing), network stalling for MINUTES at a time, slow to load, etc. Other browsers on the same machine don't suffer any of these problems. I don't use Firefox as my primary browser because it is so flaky. That's odd, because on this newish i5 box, which is suffering really severe responsiveness problems otherwise, FF responds to my commands smartly. Firefox for windows is compiled with PGO via ICC which apparently improves performance quite a bit. I believe there are issues when firefox is compiled with GCC via PGO and in any case, there is no support for PGO building of Firefox @ gentoo afaik. I wish I had the time and knowledge to whip up an ebuild that could do the magic to test it out tho. Any takers ? :P -- Kind Regards, Beau Henderson
Re: [gentoo-user] Fire the fox.
On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: Is it just me? Or does Firefox get slower every release? And less stable. I haven't had any crashing or failing to start, but Firefox in Linux has always been pretty bad in general for me. Slow UI, unusable in NX (constant screen redraws; Thunderbird does the same thing), network stalling for MINUTES at a time, slow to load, etc. Other browsers on the same machine don't suffer any of these problems. I don't use Firefox as my primary browser because it is so flaky. At work I use Firefox in Windows XP all day long on a much slower computer, and it is faster (UI responsiveness feeling, not benchmarks) and has none of the problems I have always experienced on my home Gentoo box. It's been a long-standing mystery.
Re: [gentoo-user] Fire the fox.
On 09/19/10 20:02, András Csányi wrote: On 19 September 2010 10:09, Alan McKinnonalan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 00:28 on Sunday 19 September 2010, András Csányi did opine thusly: On 19 September 2010 00:14, Kevin O'Gormankogor...@gmail.com wrote: Is it just me? Or does Firefox get slower every release? And less stable. I got myself up to the latest, and I cannot install my 4 add-ons (xmarks, AdBlockPlus, Noscript, Stumble-upon) without it crashing. Seg fault sometimes. I've got ECC memory, and no reported problems, and it does not help to clear the profiles (rename ~/.mozilla) and re-emerge. Grr. Use Chrome/Chromium. At my gentoo the fox won't even start. I don't know why, I won't to know why... I'm tired about Firefox. :S If you run Firefox from a terminal, do you get an error about xpcom? If so, you need revdep-rebuild and possibly re-merge nss. It's all in the build elogs. Hi Alan, I have tried to start from terminal, but no message. I have tried to run after revdep-rebuild but nothing. I have installed binary version but the result was the same. After these I have tried strace and if I remenber correctly it stopped with segmentation fault. Unfortunately I can't reproduce this problem because few days ago I changed my system from 32 bit to 64 bit. Here everything is working fine according firefox. I know I should have report it but, that time, I was really tired emotionally. :( I had this same problem and decided I had bad RAM. Before I could order any, I rebuild my system and it happens that I did so with an image that had GCC 4.3* rather than 4.4. Funny enough, firefox worked just fine. I did some searching and apparently nspr has issues with a certain function enabled in -O2 @ gcc 4.4. From the following: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=487844 Apparently if you rebuild nspr @ gcc 4.4 with -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing I haven't confirmed this, as I haven't had time to jump back to 4.4 but if someone can confirm this fixes the issue, I'd certainly be greatful!
Re: [gentoo-user] Fire the fox.
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Beau Henderson b...@thehenderson.comwrote: I had this same problem and decided I had bad RAM. Before I could order any, I rebuild my system and it happens that I did so with an image that had GCC 4.3* rather than 4.4. Funny enough, firefox worked just fine. I did some searching and apparently nspr has issues with a certain function enabled in -O2 @ gcc 4.4. From the following: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=487844 Apparently if you rebuild nspr @ gcc 4.4 with -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing I haven't confirmed this, as I haven't had time to jump back to 4.4 but if someone can confirm this fixes the issue, I'd certainly be greatful! I'm still at 4.3.4, and having these problems. I wouldn't be holding my breath for a silver bullet. I'm writing this on chormium, having just given up on Opera for being slow as FF. Sigh. -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
Re: [gentoo-user] Fire the fox.
On 09/21/10 12:41, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Beau Henderson b...@thehenderson.com mailto:b...@thehenderson.com wrote: I had this same problem and decided I had bad RAM. Before I could order any, I rebuild my system and it happens that I did so with an image that had GCC 4.3* rather than 4.4. Funny enough, firefox worked just fine. I did some searching and apparently nspr has issues with a certain function enabled in -O2 @ gcc 4.4. From the following: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=487844 Apparently if you rebuild nspr @ gcc 4.4 with -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing I haven't confirmed this, as I haven't had time to jump back to 4.4 but if someone can confirm this fixes the issue, I'd certainly be greatful! I'm still at 4.3.4, and having these problems. I wouldn't be holding my breath for a silver bullet. I'm writing this on chormium, having just given up on Opera for being slow as FF. Sigh. -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD Are you compiling nspr with -O3 by any chance ? The flag that is responsible was apparently moved from -O3 in gcc 4.3* to -O2 in 4.4*. Are you getting the seg fault when you strace firefox ? -- Beau Henderson
Re: [gentoo-user] Fire the fox.
On 21 September 2010 00:23, Beau Henderson b...@thehenderson.com wrote: On 09/19/10 20:02, András Csányi wrote: On 19 September 2010 10:09, Alan McKinnonalan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 00:28 on Sunday 19 September 2010, András Csányi did opine thusly: On 19 September 2010 00:14, Kevin O'Gormankogor...@gmail.com wrote: Is it just me? Or does Firefox get slower every release? And less stable. I got myself up to the latest, and I cannot install my 4 add-ons (xmarks, AdBlockPlus, Noscript, Stumble-upon) without it crashing. Seg fault sometimes. I've got ECC memory, and no reported problems, and it does not help to clear the profiles (rename ~/.mozilla) and re-emerge. Grr. Use Chrome/Chromium. At my gentoo the fox won't even start. I don't know why, I won't to know why... I'm tired about Firefox. :S If you run Firefox from a terminal, do you get an error about xpcom? If so, you need revdep-rebuild and possibly re-merge nss. It's all in the build elogs. Hi Alan, I have tried to start from terminal, but no message. I have tried to run after revdep-rebuild but nothing. I have installed binary version but the result was the same. After these I have tried strace and if I remenber correctly it stopped with segmentation fault. Unfortunately I can't reproduce this problem because few days ago I changed my system from 32 bit to 64 bit. Here everything is working fine according firefox. I know I should have report it but, that time, I was really tired emotionally. :( I had this same problem and decided I had bad RAM. Before I could order any, I rebuild my system and it happens that I did so with an image that had GCC 4.3* rather than 4.4. Funny enough, firefox worked just fine. I did some searching and apparently nspr has issues with a certain function enabled in -O2 @ gcc 4.4. From the following: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=487844 Apparently if you rebuild nspr @ gcc 4.4 with -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing I haven't confirmed this, as I haven't had time to jump back to 4.4 but if someone can confirm this fixes the issue, I'd certainly be greatful! Hmmm... My former system was compiled with -O3 and gcc version was the highest because I always use unstable system. -- - - -- Csanyi Andras (Sayusi Ando) -- http://sayusi.hu -- http://facebook.com/andras.csanyi -- Trust in God and keep your gunpowder dry! - Cromwell
Re: [gentoo-user] Fire the fox.
Apparently, though unproven, at 00:28 on Sunday 19 September 2010, András Csányi did opine thusly: On 19 September 2010 00:14, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: Is it just me? Or does Firefox get slower every release? And less stable. I got myself up to the latest, and I cannot install my 4 add-ons (xmarks, AdBlockPlus, Noscript, Stumble-upon) without it crashing. Seg fault sometimes. I've got ECC memory, and no reported problems, and it does not help to clear the profiles (rename ~/.mozilla) and re-emerge. Grr. Use Chrome/Chromium. At my gentoo the fox won't even start. I don't know why, I won't to know why... I'm tired about Firefox. :S If you run Firefox from a terminal, do you get an error about xpcom? If so, you need revdep-rebuild and possibly re-merge nss. It's all in the build elogs. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Fire the fox.
On 19 September 2010 10:09, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 00:28 on Sunday 19 September 2010, András Csányi did opine thusly: On 19 September 2010 00:14, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: Is it just me? Or does Firefox get slower every release? And less stable. I got myself up to the latest, and I cannot install my 4 add-ons (xmarks, AdBlockPlus, Noscript, Stumble-upon) without it crashing. Seg fault sometimes. I've got ECC memory, and no reported problems, and it does not help to clear the profiles (rename ~/.mozilla) and re-emerge. Grr. Use Chrome/Chromium. At my gentoo the fox won't even start. I don't know why, I won't to know why... I'm tired about Firefox. :S If you run Firefox from a terminal, do you get an error about xpcom? If so, you need revdep-rebuild and possibly re-merge nss. It's all in the build elogs. Hi Alan, I have tried to start from terminal, but no message. I have tried to run after revdep-rebuild but nothing. I have installed binary version but the result was the same. After these I have tried strace and if I remenber correctly it stopped with segmentation fault. Unfortunately I can't reproduce this problem because few days ago I changed my system from 32 bit to 64 bit. Here everything is working fine according firefox. I know I should have report it but, that time, I was really tired emotionally. :( -- - - -- Csanyi Andras (Sayusi Ando) -- http://sayusi.hu -- http://facebook.com/andras.csanyi -- Bízzál Istenben és tartsd szárazon a puskaport!.-- Cromwell
Re: [gentoo-user] Fire the fox.
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 3:02 AM, András Csányi sayusi.a...@gmail.comwrote: On 19 September 2010 10:09, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 00:28 on Sunday 19 September 2010, András Csányi did opine thusly: On 19 September 2010 00:14, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: Is it just me? Or does Firefox get slower every release? And less stable. I got myself up to the latest, and I cannot install my 4 add-ons (xmarks, AdBlockPlus, Noscript, Stumble-upon) without it crashing. Seg fault sometimes. I've got ECC memory, and no reported problems, and it does not help to clear the profiles (rename ~/.mozilla) and re-emerge. Grr. Use Chrome/Chromium. At my gentoo the fox won't even start. I don't know why, I won't to know why... I'm tired about Firefox. :S If you run Firefox from a terminal, do you get an error about xpcom? If so, you need revdep-rebuild and possibly re-merge nss. It's all in the build elogs. Hi Alan, I have tried to start from terminal, but no message. I have tried to run after revdep-rebuild but nothing. I have installed binary version but the result was the same. After these I have tried strace and if I remenber correctly it stopped with segmentation fault. Unfortunately I can't reproduce this problem because few days ago I changed my system from 32 bit to 64 bit. Here everything is working fine according firefox. I know I should have report it but, that time, I was really tired emotionally. :( Yeah, me too. I teach at a university and classes start tomorrow. I've had the fox not starting as someone else did, then on upgrade it was sort of working, then not. The last bug I submitted led to the instruction to start with a clean profile. Sounds sensible, but that means none of my bookmarks, ad blocks, noscript, cookies or anything. I tried it anyway with 3.6.9 and Xmarks only (really need those bookmarks). It died before I could get near to the original problem. That's when I started this thread. I've got other more urgent things to do with my time. Like my laptop's Ubuntu which suddenly decided it didn't know anything about its network adapters, and I could not figure out the config tools that seem to want me to know the MAC address of all that stuff. No clue, don't know how to find out, but at least I can back up my home directories. But I need this thing for class _tomorrow_ and I've got a lot of stuff to print and get on the web -- these things have cost me about a week. I'm writing this on Opera. I'll try chrome if it's easy to figure out. I don't expect to see the fox on gentoo again any time soon. I'm sad because I used to like it. Good luck. ++ kevin -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
Re: [gentoo-user] Fire the fox.
Apparently, though unproven, at 18:32 on Sunday 19 September 2010, Kevin O'Gorman did opine thusly: Yeah, me too. I teach at a university and classes start tomorrow. I've had the fox not starting as someone else did, then on upgrade it was sort of working, then not. The last bug I submitted led to the instruction to start with a clean profile. Sounds sensible, but that means none of my bookmarks, ad blocks, noscript, cookies or anything. I tried it anyway with 3.6.9 and Xmarks only (really need those bookmarks). It died before I could get near to the original problem. That's when I started this thread. I've got other more urgent things to do with my time. Like my laptop's Ubuntu which suddenly decided it didn't know anything about its network adapters, and I could not figure out the config tools that seem to want me to know the MAC address of all that stuff. No clue, don't know how to find out, but at least I can back up my home directories. But I need this thing for class _tomorrow_ and I've got a lot of stuff to print and get on the web -- these things have cost me about a week. I'm writing this on Opera. I'll try chrome if it's easy to figure out. I don't expect to see the fox on gentoo again any time soon. I'm sad because I used to like it. Good luck. Firefox seems to suffer badly with upgrades here too. But revdep-rebuild usually fixes it. If not revdep-rebuild then a good dose of common sense usually helps me find the thing that needs rebuilding. The most recent change needed nss to be rebuilt, then firefox again. It's a similar situation to xorg-server and it's drivers. Portage can't trigger a rebuild of the drivers as their version didn't change. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Fire the fox.
Is it just me? Or does Firefox get slower every release? And less stable. I got myself up to the latest, and I cannot install my 4 add-ons (xmarks, AdBlockPlus, Noscript, Stumble-upon) without it crashing. Seg fault sometimes. I've got ECC memory, and no reported problems, and it does not help to clear the profiles (rename ~/.mozilla) and re-emerge. Grr. -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
Re: [gentoo-user] Fire the fox.
On 19 September 2010 00:14, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: Is it just me? Or does Firefox get slower every release? And less stable. I got myself up to the latest, and I cannot install my 4 add-ons (xmarks, AdBlockPlus, Noscript, Stumble-upon) without it crashing. Seg fault sometimes. I've got ECC memory, and no reported problems, and it does not help to clear the profiles (rename ~/.mozilla) and re-emerge. Grr. Use Chrome/Chromium. At my gentoo the fox won't even start. I don't know why, I won't to know why... I'm tired about Firefox. :S -- - - -- Csanyi Andras (Sayusi Ando) -- http://sayusi.hu -- http://facebook.com/andras.csanyi -- Bízzál Istenben és tartsd szárazon a puskaport!.-- Cromwell
Re: [gentoo-user] Fire the fox.
On 18 September 2010 15:14, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: Is it just me? Or does Firefox get slower every release? And less stable. Indeed. But FF4 is *much* faster. And much more stable. At least, that was my experience when I tried it out. I had to go back to 3.6 because some of the plugins that I need were not yet supported for FF4. At least the later 3.6 releases aren't as unstable as the previous ones.
Re: [gentoo-user] Fire the fox.
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Hilco Wijbenga hilco.wijbe...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed. But FF4 is *much* faster. And much more stable. At least, that was my experience when I tried it out. I had to go back to 3.6 because some of the plugins that I need were not yet supported for FF4. At least the later 3.6 releases aren't as unstable as the previous ones. Looking forward to Firefox 4, Firefox 3 really sucks sometimes -- @ghosTM55 Mechanism, not policy
Re: [gentoo-user] Fire the fox.
2010/9/19 Thomas Yao t.yao...@gmail.com On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Hilco Wijbenga hilco.wijbe...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed. But FF4 is *much* faster. And much more stable. At least, that was my experience when I tried it out. I had to go back to 3.6 because some of the plugins that I need were not yet supported for FF4. At least the later 3.6 releases aren't as unstable as the previous ones. Looking forward to Firefox 4, Firefox 3 really sucks sometimes -- @ghosTM55 Mechanism, not policy Using chromium-bin instead fo firefox
