[gentoo-user] Gentoo list stats?
Hi, I'm wondering whether these stats are correct? They are captured from this page: http://archives.gentoo.org/ If these stats are both correct and complete then I find them interesting, and maybe a bit disappointing. If they are incorrect then nothing below matters. Not meaning to cause too much of a hubbub but I was surprised at how much email traffic has fallen off for the Gentoo lists over the last couple of years. I suspect that some of this is folks moving to less technical environments - maybe Ubuntu or Arch - but still I was surprised that it was something like a 60% drop since the high in 2006. I was also surprised at the drop off on gentoo-dev as it sort of correlates with my impression of bugs not being addressed as fast these days. Again, I don't want to cause some sort of flame war here. I personally love the distro and as I look at building a new i5 or i7 based machine I suspect it will be much faster to build and maintain Gentoo. I'd like to see the traffic growing, not falling. Maybe someone has written something on this already? Just observing, Mark gentoo-dev 2009, 3743 emails 2008, 5379 emails 2007, 8480 emails 2006, 10184 emails 2005, 9055 emails 2004, 8569 emails 2003, 8324 emails 2002, 8156 emails 2001, 5679 emails 2000, 4 emails gentoo-user 2009, 11126 emails 2008, 15269 emails 2007, 13643 emails 2006, 25954 emails 2005, 15378 emails 2004, 545 emails gentoo-amd64 2009, 1519 emails 2008, 1418 emails 2007, 1977 emails 2006, 4038 emails 2005, 1880 emails 2004, 27 emails
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo list stats?
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009 08:59:57 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: Not meaning to cause too much of a hubbub but I was surprised at how much email traffic has fallen off for the Gentoo lists over the last couple of years. I suspect that some of this is folks moving to less technical environments - maybe Ubuntu or Arch - but still I was surprised that it was something like a 60% drop since the high in 2006. It could be a sign of the maturity of Gentoo. If there are less problems there will be less posts, since there are very few threads starting with I did a world update today and everything worked perfectly. I was also surprised at the drop off on gentoo-dev as it sort of correlates with my impression of bugs not being addressed as fast these days. Or they are spending more time developing and less time flaming one another these days? -- Neil Bothwick Guillotine operator wanted. Chance to get ahead. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo list stats?
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Mark Knechtmarkkne...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm wondering whether these stats are correct? They are captured from this page: http://archives.gentoo.org/ If these stats are both correct and complete then I find them interesting, and maybe a bit disappointing. If they are incorrect then nothing below matters. Not meaning to cause too much of a hubbub but I was surprised at how much email traffic has fallen off for the Gentoo lists over the last couple of years. I suspect that some of this is folks moving to less technical environments - maybe Ubuntu or Arch - but still I was surprised that it was something like a 60% drop since the high in 2006. I was also surprised at the drop off on gentoo-dev as it sort of correlates with my impression of bugs not being addressed as fast these days. I think traffic on ALL mailing lists has dropped, just like usenet. Web forums are the normal place to go these days. Only us technological dinosaurs are still using e-mail lists and newsgroups. :)
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo list stats?
090903 Mark Knecht wrote: I'm wondering whether these stats are correct? They are captured from http://archives.gentoo.org/ I find them a bit disappointing. I was surprised how much email traffic has fallen off for the Gentoo lists over the last couple of years. I suspect some of this is folks moving to less technical environments - maybe Ubuntu or Arch - but still I was surprised that it was something like a 60 % drop since the high in 2006. I was also surprised at the drop on gentoo-dev as it correlates with my impression of bugs not being addressed as fast. gentoo-dev gentoo-user gentoo-amd64 2009 374311126 1519 2008 537915269 1418 2007 848013643 1977 20061018425954 4038 2005 905515378 1880 2004 8569 545 27 2003 8324 2002 8156 2001 5679 20004 First, you need to adjust 2009 by 3/2 , ie 2009 561516689 2279 which shows a significant increase this year in all 3 categories. Otherwise, I agree with the other comments, ie that Gentoo has matured: Portage is more user-friendly, big changes like Udev have been accomplished, people who shouldn't be using Gentoo have dropped out the few devs who were responsible have stopped flaming one another (or perhaps do so on a non-public list somewhere else); it may also be true that the Forum has taken away a lot of users, who seem on average younger (it sounds like a high-school cafeteria). Quality is what matters I'ld say it has improved in recent years. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo list stats?
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Neil Bothwickn...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2009 08:59:57 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: Not meaning to cause too much of a hubbub but I was surprised at how much email traffic has fallen off for the Gentoo lists over the last couple of years. I suspect that some of this is folks moving to less technical environments - maybe Ubuntu or Arch - but still I was surprised that it was something like a 60% drop since the high in 2006. It could be a sign of the maturity of Gentoo. If there are less problems there will be less posts, since there are very few threads starting with I did a world update today and everything worked perfectly. Well, mostly I'd say that's true, certainly at the app level it's my experience, but it seems to me that upgrades like Xorg haven't gone so well this year. Maybe that's mostly an aberration driven by upstream quality problems, but if my recollections are correct it wasn't only a problem for me. I was also surprised at the drop off on gentoo-dev as it sort of correlates with my impression of bugs not being addressed as fast these days. Or they are spending more time developing and less time flaming one another these days? Now that idea puts a smile on my face but unfortunately isn't consistent with my personal view of bugs getting fixed. Maybe I just got hit a bit harder but my memory of how long it took to get an ebuild fixed in 2006 was considerably faster. Probably I'm mistaken. For me 2009 has been a pretty disappointing year in terms of running Gentoo and the first year in the last 5 or 6 where I spent ANY time seriously looking around at other distros. Nothing struck me as being good enough to warrant putting the time in to learn it. Gentoo is still what I choose to run. I hope the stats are positive in nature but I know of numerous pro-audio overlay users who have left the Gentoo fold this year. (They don't seem any happier to me so I'm not following...) I hope it's not happening too much in the more global community. Thanks for the responses! Cheers, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo list stats?
Mark Knecht wrote: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Neil Bothwickn...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2009 08:59:57 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: Not meaning to cause too much of a hubbub but I was surprised at how much email traffic has fallen off for the Gentoo lists over the last couple of years. I suspect that some of this is folks moving to less technical environments - maybe Ubuntu or Arch - but still I was surprised that it was something like a 60% drop since the high in 2006. It could be a sign of the maturity of Gentoo. If there are less problems there will be less posts, since there are very few threads starting with I did a world update today and everything worked perfectly. Well, mostly I'd say that's true, certainly at the app level it's my experience, but it seems to me that upgrades like Xorg haven't gone so well this year. Maybe that's mostly an aberration driven by upstream quality problems, but if my recollections are correct it wasn't only a problem for me. SNIP Thanks for the responses! Cheers, Mark Yea, there are quite a few that disabled hal, myself included. I disabled mine with the USE flag but some put the line in xorg.conf to disable it. Either way, I still can't get hal to work with the new xorg-server. I think that has been my only really sore spot. I did have a issue with a gcc update. Couldn't compile a kernel, Seamonkey crashes like bumper cars and a few other weird things. I just backed up to the previous version and all is well again. I do think Gentoo is a lot better tho. The way it handles most blocks is really really cool. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo list stats?
On Thursday 03 September 2009 17:59:57 Mark Knecht wrote: Hi, I'm wondering whether these stats are correct? They are captured from this page: http://archives.gentoo.org/ If these stats are both correct and complete then I find them interesting, and maybe a bit disappointing. If they are incorrect then nothing below matters. Not meaning to cause too much of a hubbub but I was surprised at how much email traffic has fallen off for the Gentoo lists over the last couple of years. I suspect that some of this is folks moving to less technical environments - maybe Ubuntu or Arch - but still I was surprised that it was something like a 60% drop since the high in 2006. I was also surprised at the drop off on gentoo-dev as it sort of correlates with my impression of bugs not being addressed as fast these days. In a lot of ways, distros are like fashion statements, complete with current flavours of the week. 3 years ago Gentoo was on a high but a lot of those fanboys have gone elsewhere or maybe to the forums. Personally, I don't care. I perceive that there has always been about the same amount of good quality mail on this list. 3 years ago we had about what we have now plus a whole bunch of help-me-pleeez! whingers and way too much flaming. We really need the first category - it's what makes this the best list I'm subscribed to - and are better of without the other two. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo list stats?
On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 11:20 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote: I think traffic on ALL mailing lists has dropped, just like usenet. Web forums are the normal place to go these days. Only us technological dinosaurs are still using e-mail lists and newsgroups. :) I'm going to concur with this only because I'm also on other mailing lists/newsgroups where someone has said the very same thing. So either these mediums are falling out of fashion or I'm struck with the curse of being attracted to dying technologies :| -a
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo list stats?
On Donnerstag 03 September 2009, Mark Knecht wrote: Hi, I'm wondering whether these stats are correct? They are captured gentoo-user 2009, 11126 emails 2008, 15269 emails 2007, 13643 emails 2006, 25954 emails 2005, 15378 emails 2004, 545 emails the numbers are incorrect. also the forums took a lot a way. Less tech savie people prefer forums.
