[gentoo-user] Hijacking threads
On 28 Aug 2008, at 07:40, Suman Chakrabarty wrote: References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] After successful installation of Gentoo 2008 on an old Compaq Pressario notebook, I was trying to emerge kde-meta on it, but was not successful. :( Please don't hijack threads like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_hijacking http://groups.google.com/group/linux.gentoo.user/msg/ 8a540add45e7e9b8? It is irritating for people using thread-aware e-mail clients... In case you didn't know, it happens when you use reply for sending a new question instead of composing a new message. Stroller.
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Stroller wrote: On 28 Aug 2008, at 07:40, Suman Chakrabarty wrote: References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] After successful installation of Gentoo 2008 on an old Compaq Pressario notebook, I was trying to emerge kde-meta on it, but was not successful. :( Please don't hijack threads like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_hijacking http://groups.google.com/group/linux.gentoo.user/msg/8a540add45e7e9b8? It is irritating for people using thread-aware e-mail clients... In case you didn't know, it happens when you use reply for sending a new question instead of composing a new message. I am really sorry for the trouble. I did not know my email client (Thunderbird) was that intelligent! I was not sure whether the list e-mail address was present in my address book and hence I took the easy way out of responding to a list message with modifying the subject line. I was not aware of the underlying thread-awareness. I'll not repeat it next time. Thanks for pointing out. Regards, Suman Chakrabarty.
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On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:42:49 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote: Who uses KDE nowadays anyway ;) Linus :P -- Neil Bothwick Feminism: the radical notion that women are people. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 00:58 -0300, luis jure wrote: El Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:17:42 -0600 Conway S. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: In my version of Claws, this only works for News folders, not for regular mail folders. Am I missing something? Are you using Gmane or some such mail/news proxy? Is this a new feature in 3.4? i'm using (old?) 3.0.2. you just have to select any mail folder, and click properties. you can choose to trim the subject line, select default To: field and primary account for new mails, as well as default spelling dictionary, u.s.w. Let me get this striaght: Claws will change your from account depending on what mail folder you're in when you hit new? If so, I switching to claws! i became aware of these features thanks to this thread. btw, are we hijacking it? :-) no, the discussion has progressed along related topics, as Stroller pointed out before this is fine, and the threading should be continued even if the subject changes. Some people like to add (was: HIJACKING THREADS) to the end of the subject if they change it this way. R, -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Never face facts; if you do, you'll never get up in the morning. -- Marlo Thomas -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 08:16 +0200, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Freitag, 13. Juni 2008 schrieb ext Iain Buchanan: 1. find email from list 2. click email address in to field (new email to that recipient is created) 3. write subject 4. write email 5. send or (in KMail, given that one uses its mailing list functions): 1a. hit ctrl-shift-n in the folder where the recipient list is stored, or 1b. right-click on the folder name, select new message to mailing list 2. write subject 3. write email 4. send Who has a shorter way? ;-) It wasn't a competition. I was trying to show the OP that it _wasn't_ quicker to hijack the thread. I was assuming the OP uses evolution - I can't remember if that's right or not... Who uses KDE nowadays anyway ;) -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au I hold it, that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing... -- Thomas Jefferson -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:38:34 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote: Let me get this striaght: Claws will change your from account depending on what mail folder you're in when you hit new? If so, I switching to claws! From: and To: if you want, signatures too. -- Neil Bothwick Madness takes its toll. Exact change, please. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Am Montag, 16. Juni 2008 schrieb ext Iain Buchanan: Who uses KDE nowadays anyway ;) /me does. Whenever I tried Gnome or XFCE in the past, they have been deinstalled again faster than I could spell their names :-) If I need something slim and fast, I take FVWM. :-) Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wanheimerstraße 68 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40468 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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El Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:40:34 +0100 Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: In Claws Mail, hit New while in the ML folder :) wow, years using claws mail, and i wasn't aware of this feature... thanks. (i also discovered other features, like default account, spell dictionary, etc) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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El Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:17:42 -0600 Conway S. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: In my version of Claws, this only works for News folders, not for regular mail folders. Am I missing something? Are you using Gmane or some such mail/news proxy? Is this a new feature in 3.4? i'm using (old?) 3.0.2. you just have to select any mail folder, and click properties. you can choose to trim the subject line, select default To: field and primary account for new mails, as well as default spelling dictionary, u.s.w. i became aware of these features thanks to this thread. btw, are we hijacking it? :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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Am Freitag, 13. Juni 2008 schrieb ext Iain Buchanan: 1. find email from list 2. click email address in to field (new email to that recipient is created) 3. write subject 4. write email 5. send or (in KMail, given that one uses its mailing list functions): 1a. hit ctrl-shift-n in the folder where the recipient list is stored, or 1b. right-click on the folder name, select new message to mailing list 2. write subject 3. write email 4. send Who has a shorter way? ;-) Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wanheimerstraße 68 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40468 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:16:11 +0200, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Who has a shorter way? ;-) In Claws Mail, hit New while in the ML folder :) -- Neil Bothwick Press any key to continue or any other key to quit signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Am Freitag, 13. Juni 2008 schrieb ext Neil Bothwick: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:16:11 +0200, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Who has a shorter way? ;-) In Claws Mail, hit New while in the ML folder :) That would be as short, but not shorter, right? Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wanheimerstraße 68 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40468 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:12:53 +0200, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: In Claws Mail, hit New while in the ML folder :) That would be as short, but not shorter, right? It would if you wrote a shorter email :P -- Neil Bothwick Random access is the optimum of the mass storages. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On Freitag, 13. Juni 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:16:11 +0200, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Who has a shorter way? ;-) In Claws Mail, hit New while in the ML folder :) what if I am in a ml folder but don't want to send a mail to that ml? Removing adress again? -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:25:18 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: In Claws Mail, hit New while in the ML folder :) what if I am in a ml folder but don't want to send a mail to that ml? Removing adress again? Yes, unless you habitually write mails to other addresses while in mailing list folders, in which case you would not use this feature. -- Neil Bothwick Bother, said Pooh as his Mercedes smashed into the tunnel support. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Chris Walters wrote: Everyone makes mistakes, and it is can be good to point them out, though I do think this thread is a bit of overkill - a private message to the person who made the mistake is usually enough. I agree the thread is overkill, the first message was not. Stroller's message was polite and included links to educate people. I don't think a private message is the way to go in these cases because: 1: Most people learn about proper threading from these kind of messages. Few ever see full headers or have even heard of In-Reply-To:. 2: Private-only messages can actually make the situation worse, as anyone looking over archives sees repeated instances of a bad habit from different people, but no feedback that it's frowned upon. Just my $0.021 ^ / \ | Pentium fdiv bug? | Regards, Chris PaulNM -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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On 12 Jun 2008, at 02:41, Chris Walters wrote: ... Everyone makes mistakes, and it is can be good to point them out, though I do think this thread is a bit of overkill - a private message to the person who made the mistake is usually enough. The problem with pointing it out privately is that that doesn't educate anyone else - thus it's more work to point it out privately to the next person, and the next, and one has to continue suffering hijacked threads in the meantime. I think this thread appears overkill because I used ALL-CAPS in the subject, which has propagated to the replies. I won't do that again in the future, and apologise if this has led some of you to believe I was having a go at the original hjacker. I was perhaps terse in my request, but did not intend to be rude. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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Stroller skrev: On 12 Jun 2008, at 02:41, Chris Walters wrote: ... Everyone makes mistakes, and it is can be good to point them out, though I do think this thread is a bit of overkill - a private message to the person who made the mistake is usually enough. The problem with pointing it out privately is that that doesn't educate anyone else - thus it's more work to point it out privately to the next person, and the next, and one has to continue suffering hijacked threads in the meantime. I think this thread appears overkill because I used ALL-CAPS in the subject, which has propagated to the replies. I won't do that again in the future, and apologise if this has led some of you to believe I was having a go at the original hjacker. I was perhaps terse in my request, but did not intend to be rude. Stroller. To be honest I never had a look at if I was the orignal hjacker or not ... think I was, or at least have done it in the past But anyways, never thought anyone has a go on me, just glad I know a bit more about how to compose new messages, to make everyone happy :-) (Just to take this further; you good argue that the mail clients is using a wrong method of detecting these threads, cause it depends on the users' habits. I guess most of us choose the reply-button, cause it' easier than having to look-up the email address. But yeah things are like they are, and I'll use the compose button from now on, so everyone is happy :), hope others is following my lead...) Thomas -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:26:29 +0100, Stroller wrote: I guess most of us choose the reply-button, cause it' easier than having to look-up the email address. My email client allows me to right-click on a recipient of an existing message and choose new message, creating an empty message that does not hijack the thread. Claws Mail also allows you to reply in the hijacky way, then select Remove references from the Compose window's menu, turning it into a new mail. Actually, the name of the Reply button is a dead giveaway, using it for anything other than a reply is clearly abuse of its function :) -- Neil Bothwick DANGER! DANGER! Computer store ahead...hide wallet. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 21:11 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:26:29 +0100, Stroller wrote: I guess most of us choose the reply-button, cause it' easier than having to look-up the email address. My email client allows me to right-click on a recipient of an existing message and choose new message, creating an empty message that does not hijack the thread. Claws Mail also allows you to reply in the hijacky way, then select Remove references from the Compose window's menu, turning it into a new mail. Actually, the name of the Reply button is a dead giveaway, using it for anything other than a reply is clearly abuse of its function :) And for a third way, I've done a comparison between reply-to, and new: 1. find email from list 2. click reply button 3. delete text 4. change subject 5. write email 6. send or 1. find email from list 2. click email address in to field (new email to that recipient is created) 3. write subject 4. write email 5. send woohoo! one step shorter and closer to: 6. ??? 7. Profit! -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Life is a garment we continuously alter, but which never seems to fit. -- David McCord -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 PaulNM wrote: | Chris Walters wrote: | | | Everyone makes mistakes, and it is can be good to point them out, | though I do | think this thread is a bit of overkill - a private message to the | person who | made the mistake is usually enough. | | I agree the thread is overkill, the first message was not. | Stroller's message was polite and included links to educate people. I | don't think a private message is the way to go in these cases because: | | 1: Most people learn about proper threading from these kind of messages. | Few ever see full headers or have even heard of In-Reply-To:. | | 2: Private-only messages can actually make the situation worse, as | anyone looking over archives sees repeated instances of a bad habit | from different people, but no feedback that it's frowned upon. Actually, I agree with you - the messages about breaches of the list etiquette should be posted to the list. I don't know what I was thinking when I composed that reply... I had actually been thinking that a mailing list FAQ sent to new members and posted every so often, outlining the etiquette of the list would be a good idea. I do somewhat object to the idea that only certain mail clients should be used on this list (not saying you did, but I have seen it), as the hijacking of threads may be accomplished with *any* email client - and so can private email, reply to list, and compose new message. | Just my $0.021 | |^ | / \ || | Pentium fdiv bug? | LOL! You caught me. Someone from another list shared something with me, and in the spirit of GNU, I will share it here, and add to it... We are Pentium of Borg. You will be approximated. Resistance may or may not be futile, except on every other Tuesday when it is a definite maybe. [snip] | | PaulNM Since this is normally where my reply would go, I think I must say something. What happens when a thread about how bad hijacking threads is gets hijacked... Regards, Chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIbBAEBCgAGBQJIUdwzAAoJEIAhA8M9p9DAO8kP+NVV5dYyqoiajs7TS9xQNot5 4i/m9nJ5KoNDesdbBkWo5VUJniZ1VtN13Ik1yzHybFQgehWdI2e0u1M6cd9gtfyc yIlOh9P4z43/JDwwG+wndc9FGh9O2M7z9Ux7BYD8+SEkbnmQRADGcjxw3Wp68lEt 1u8JBoydjkvZ2fXSfB9ebxsy446aBRtqsaWkmoCaJhw36CF5XTS/pwwJs4dvJ3Zt azOQnUxtvZuGAXyqw1uREnvxEvF7IAPliymuJnxVfRRYzts1uYf8mwv5v9CvMIGe Tbw4RGlKLcAI43iu/6pixNCRczpVu/xNfTBQCEMiSBlVJiqQNJwKk2sX/Xy60ZQG GkeT75u/v8ozSW9bklFCnUiUXGMCEQI6DpM7AYS1uXW53kMVAnCCxDqqeAxJi0FS pUDon14CIQCHJHBOzqSk+OLg5vI14IALaX/rNr/1BoOVcDDrHprUpn5IN0ByMk1i hX+FuV01LDHK9j7o/FZ6HNA5j/ZaEZ3IbUKKE3I6UqMfvBNYVimG2LAawVI+zo2R JJaXIlR9pGrvBB9xD2zEycIID0zhSGsp+aFTbTjyDwsSqHtQ/RglofMum4hxe2EZ GcJ6eIcllN2bPELehVAZD6C0LchOzKpFEmhpKAA3Ahd3Df0h40ESUCR3RIXMdPVB FDJAXYi/kyg7bmQqEMw= =HRt9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Stroller wrote: | | On 12 Jun 2008, at 02:41, Chris Walters wrote: [snip my mumbo jumbo] | | The problem with pointing it out privately is that that doesn't educate | anyone else - thus it's more work to point it out privately to the next | person, and the next, and one has to continue suffering hijacked threads | in the meantime. | | I think this thread appears overkill because I used ALL-CAPS in the | subject, which has propagated to the replies. I won't do that again in | the future, and apologise if this has led some of you to believe I was | having a go at the original hjacker. I was perhaps terse in my request, | but did not intend to be rude. | | Stroller. Actually, I agree with you - my original reply must have been the result of an approximation. I don't believe you were rude at all, or that you were having a go at the original hijacker. I apologize if I gave that impression. As I said in my reply to PaulNM, I feel that this list should have an FAQ that elucidates the etiquette of this mailing list, sent to new subscribers, and posted periodically to the list. It could cover a large number of things - not just thread hijacking, and would help to prevent such things, in the future. Regards, Chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJIUd8qAAoJEIAhA8M9p9DAXKYP/iJMIEpkNuss0yE3ceeSvqzl 0+Jc7KDq9/QxBTNTDYl5vIRsVfQfCcA/S3FBJ9hmF5OR0PzVvy5HDYrbEpOr5mgX KW+Dp08KB47muhvLjuMsoFqc6swqdL7M2rXeHZYdHaOU/v9eRJYh0cZs+E47nGdm JCz66UKOaPLi4AYQkRY661UG+rz9IoAv2P8nvtmkWcPTX6mkh8ug2gKqtlHcx8hs 4ECqEr294792GjCprLX1W/z1reyt+RyhsKkfx+HCZyr2NROyaFPsZ/WScNsViv6C jrZLigCxPDMWzD7odrta0vPNuwdiwh1t8isoI/ADZPZRBLx2vRp2GzxDixmNnTRH 6JwGFC0f3xHxztIkQjlGRrRGNPrZMhXcnnRwmBxkx5ox3VMkvmLBwxhn5bbj8p1V cETpaSfFHyDFnhGnw/a0Dgj3Q+dt1Nzrl1xxrVZaAQfi3g8O8vYIb7Gb2McWycyv p5J5/nBroxyNjqBcV2SwnQ1KI9f99NN4lndRz1wVX9g+e/EGkXgt0lmYgtPESJpa ZkQHUcQlTjsDHjBMeX0jADhonTdGXv6rmCZeQNIMjRbyC4BEGoEf/apTSunfK0ox thmLtn37sBY4b9cyA4zO3n8Dejus6LOxUMSSRRX3RrR0Q5ZrfS8oXIGXpMtHhsT9 FDUzydzJwPGznLAZguF2 =S0Z1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] HIJACKING THREADS
On 10 Jun 2008, at 21:55, Thomas Pedersen wrote: Was thinking of buying the Western Digital' My Book® Home Edition™, specially because of the eSATA connection... I heard they have an internal USB-hub for making the capacity gauge working. Please don't hijack threads like this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_hijacking http://groups.google.com/group/linux.gentoo.user/msg/ 8a540add45e7e9b8? It is irritating for people using thread-aware e-mail clients... In case you didn't know, it happens when you use reply for sending a new question instead of composing a new message. Stroller.-- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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Stroller wrote: On 10 Jun 2008, at 21:55, Thomas Pedersen wrote: Was thinking of buying the Western Digital' My Book® Home Edition™, specially because of the eSATA connection... I heard they have an internal USB-hub for making the capacity gauge working. I'm sorry, but I fail to see why the above example mentioned qualifies as Thread Hijacking. He started a new thread to pose his question, and, if anything, was only being indirect in asking it. Please don't hijack threads like this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_hijacking http://groups.google.com/group/linux.gentoo.user/msg/8a540add45e7e9b8? It is irritating for people using thread-aware e-mail clients... In case you didn't know, it happens when you use reply for sending a new question instead of composing a new message. He *did* compose a new message, there is no Re: in the header and no other content in the message. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -Hal -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 05:54:35PM +0100, Stroller wrote: Please don't hijack threads like this. Even if that were an example of thread hijacking, are you perfect? Have you never made a mistake? If someone does it over and over, then complain. Otherwise buy yourself a glass house. -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman rocket surgeon / [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license #4933 I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of room o -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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On Wednesday 11 June 2008, Hal Martin wrote: [snip] I'm sorry, but I fail to see why the above example mentioned qualifies as Thread Hijacking. He started a new thread to pose his question, and, if anything, was only being indirect in asking it. No, he did not start a new thread. Other wise why does his mail have this header; In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] He *did* compose a new message, there is no Re: in the header and no other content in the message. That's not how you determine if a thread has been hijacked. The Re: is simply a subject line and can be edited. Deleting all content from a previous post is also not it, as thread-aware mail clients use extended headers to do it, specifically In-Reply-To and References -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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Two points: 1) Yeah you're right about not living in a glass house, and make a big deal out of nothing ;) 2) Thanks for letting us know about the differences about clicking reply and compose new ... I'm actually sure not all of us was aware about this difference Just a comment... Thomas -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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Thomas Pedersen schrieb: Two points: 1) Yeah you're right about not living in a glass house, and make a big deal out of nothing ;) 2) Thanks for letting us know about the differences about clicking reply and compose new ... I'm actually sure not all of us was aware about this difference Just a comment... Thomas Yeah thats the right point of view!! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 11 June 2008, Hal Martin wrote: [snip] I'm sorry, but I fail to see why the above example mentioned qualifies as Thread Hijacking. He started a new thread to pose his question, and, if anything, was only being indirect in asking it. No, he did not start a new thread. Other wise why does his mail have this header; In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] Quite right, my mistake for looking into it further. He *did* compose a new message, there is no Re: in the header and no other content in the message. That's not how you determine if a thread has been hijacked. The Re: is simply a subject line and can be edited. Deleting all content from a previous post is also not it, as thread-aware mail clients use extended headers to do it, specifically In-Reply-To and References Using Thunderbird it appeared to be a new thread, the same applies to the GMail web interface. However, on closer inspection of the message header, it does appear to be a case of thread hijacking. My mistake, and I would retract my previous comments regarding the matter. I instead wish to resubmit my response on thread hijacking: Thread Hijacking is bad, don't do it. -Hal -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:42:32 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't hijack threads like this. Even if that were an example of thread hijacking, are you perfect? Have you never made a mistake? What is the relevance of that. We all make mistakes, some learn fro them and help others learn too. If someone does it over and over, then complain. Otherwise buy yourself a glass house. On the other hard, a polite request at the outset saves the person the potential embarrassment of making the mistake several times over. Most thread hijacking is unintentional, so why not inform someone of the correct approach at the first opportunity? -- Neil Bothwick getting performance from Windows is like getting blood from a stone - after banging my head against the stone several times I got some blood Author of Lightwave 3D signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On Wednesday 11 June 2008, Hal Martin wrote: Using Thunderbird it appeared to be a new thread, the same applies to the GMail web interface. Interesting. I wonder what mechanism those clients use to determine threads then (I use neither myself)? -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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On Mittwoch, 11. Juni 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 11 June 2008, Hal Martin wrote: Using Thunderbird it appeared to be a new thread, the same applies to the GMail web interface. Interesting. I wonder what mechanism those clients use to determine threads then (I use neither myself)? possibly the (wrong) subject method (which is easily broken). -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 11 June 2008, Hal Martin wrote: Using Thunderbird it appeared to be a new thread, the same applies to the GMail web interface. Interesting. I wonder what mechanism those clients use to determine threads then (I use neither myself)? Actually, in threaded mode on my work box (Fedora 7, Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (20080501)), it didn't appear in a new thread but showed up as a reply to another completely unrelated thread as the initial poster said. Aaron -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] HIJACKING THREADS
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hal Martin wrote: | Alan McKinnon wrote: | On Wednesday 11 June 2008, Hal Martin wrote: [snip] | No, he did not start a new thread. Other wise why does his mail have | this header; | | In-Reply-To: | [EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] | Quite right, my mistake for looking into it further. | [snip] | That's not how you determine if a thread has been hijacked. The Re: is | simply a subject line and can be edited. Deleting all content from a | previous post is also not it, as thread-aware mail clients use | extended headers to do it, specifically In-Reply-To and References | | | Using Thunderbird it appeared to be a new thread, the same applies to | the GMail web interface. However, on closer inspection of the message | header, it does appear to be a case of thread hijacking. My mistake, and | I would retract my previous comments regarding the matter. I instead | wish to resubmit my response on thread hijacking: | | Thread Hijacking is bad, don't do it. | | -Hal Just a small point here. Mozilla Thunderbird has a threaded view option that allows you to view entire threads, without regard to the subject line, so it is thread aware - you just have to set the right options. Viewing it that way, it is clear to see that the message in question, was a case of thread hijacking. Is it the crime of the century? No. Is it something people want to see on a mailing list like this? No. Everyone makes mistakes, and it is can be good to point them out, though I do think this thread is a bit of overkill - a private message to the person who made the mistake is usually enough. Just my $0.021 Regards, Chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJIUH62AAoJEIAhA8M9p9DA0MIP/jydPqDxINeE6ZLkV0Zfhngr sYtZHLsXcjMZBAAL/fgBQMvNj4HVY8OFSkEuQWv/9iT4/f0wPYstqPZva7CfeIH5 P/miIo+XVROEMvOHMpvCsmkZ89O+YbBW8zfx864z8zUKFXNw8hAnafDgTqUaNSbA CsYMyERADQ9vTtcjPPgmE1yVYIj8Da2wbRyCF4Y7cM6x1GMGeP8LHL41LchiHEq3 aVli95H94Y7WFi32WlerE//+LH5JFiBgQX31ifTgDjzRoxl0Gznhm3Iy8KYY2n/h VL51RuYWdkJxeXghGSL4d1vQy3PqzlmWKLwR3t2YaUQIsruovh+EgGmWWWiAYe8Y 6y9aWyw4VjiVNuqE8/Aa3qAbWtyMXJHzp32DnN8HLcVmLnMZtFkBYCO7VPqSRxXA F7EcdaKJlnDPfPDOnPgz39YrHbm8UhSwjEyFknVFCBQ37KHTZUzuOaVyreZiWNUe vtiYi3egHuKRVynHp2jrI6Hx9FAxbgdLwU1uJY5wbvixv/WGdz25LWA7fY+CG97f RdMq0ELdGRlUa/JAd8/7H6AFDX0xEyD9c7syEO0djV6mzUT9djGGxXN3WfJ//CA5 dEv/wPxFnNNDE3SajexPmgqYJ+DrU9Q8fHW/yE11ktk3uxN63YcYXNOB+pJ5m1vt FbXJlnj20ve+0BDPslff =GoBY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] HIJACKING THREADS
at one time I had a couple of people have a go at me over thread hi-jacking. Turned out to be a bug in THEIR version of KMail. I did enjoy sticking the boot in as one of them was most ungracious about it. Moral: make sure you are right then be nice and polite - or accept the VERY PUBLIC consequences of being a well known ... :) BillK On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 21:17 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 11 June 2008, Hal Martin wrote: Using Thunderbird it appeared to be a new thread, the same applies to the GMail web interface. Interesting. I wonder what mechanism those clients use to determine threads then (I use neither myself)? -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home in Perth! -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] HIJACKING THREADS
Alan, on rereading this it might look like I am having a poke at you but this is not the case - its just the message I replied to to enter the thread. Being publicly sorry for stuffing up :) BillK On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 10:52 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: at one time I had a couple of people have a go at me over thread hi-jacking. Turned out to be a bug in THEIR version of KMail. I did enjoy sticking the boot in as one of them was most ungracious about it. Moral: make sure you are right then be nice and polite - or accept the VERY PUBLIC consequences of being a well known ... :) BillK On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 21:17 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 11 June 2008, Hal Martin wrote: Using Thunderbird it appeared to be a new thread, the same applies to the GMail web interface. Interesting. I wonder what mechanism those clients use to determine threads then (I use neither myself)? -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home in Perth! -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home in Perth! -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] HIJACKING THREADS
On Donnerstag, 12. Juni 2008, William Kenworthy wrote: at one time I had a couple of people have a go at me over thread hi-jacking. Turned out to be a bug in THEIR version of KMail. I did enjoy sticking the boot in as one of them was most ungracious about it. Moral: make sure you are right then be nice and polite - or accept the VERY PUBLIC consequences of being a well known ... :) so when will you stop top posting? -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] HIJACKING THREADS
too old to stop now ... been at it since the 90's when I first started using email ... :) BillK On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 05:25 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: so when will you stop top posting? too old to stop now ... been at it since the 90's when I first started using email ... :) BillK * Just so everyone is covered -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] HIJACKING THREADS
On Donnerstag, 12. Juni 2008, William Kenworthy wrote: too old to stop now ... been at it since the 90's when I first started using email ... I am sure even back then people told you to stop it. Or did you only mail AOlusers ;P -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] HIJACKING THREADS
On 10 Apr 2008, at 16:29, Mario Ignacio Rodríguez Cortés wrote: ... I have a problem at the moment that i try to execute a command as a sudo user, quikly, I have two machines, the first is my LDAP server and the second is my client on LDAP ... Please don't hijack threads like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_hijacking http://groups.google.com/group/linux.gentoo.user/msg/ 8a540add45e7e9b8? It is irritating for people using thread-aware e-mail clients... In case you didn't know, it happens when you use reply for sending a new question instead of composing a new message. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
