Re: [gentoo-user] How's the openrc update going for everyone?
On Friday 13 May 2011 03:30:27 Manuel McLure wrote: Just ran into a gotcha with my main server upgrade to openrc/baselayout2 - it appears that the old ifconfig network syntax no longer works. I kept getting the message: Error: either local is duplicate, or netmask is garbage until I changed the syntax from config_eth0=XX.YY.ZZ.WW broadcast XX.YY.ZZ.255 netmask 255.255.255.0 to config_eth0=XX.YY.ZZ.WW/24 The other syntax worked in baselayout1. It still works here with baselayout 2.0.2: config_eth0=192.168.2.6 netmask 255.255.255.0 brd 192.168.2.255 routes_eth0=default via 192.168.2.1 dns_servers_eth0=192.168.2.2 No network error messages. Sounds like your error is elsewhere. -- Rgds Peter
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On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 04:21:41PM +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Friday 13 May 2011 03:30:27 Manuel McLure wrote: Just ran into a gotcha with my main server upgrade to openrc/baselayout2 - it appears that the old ifconfig network syntax no longer works. I kept getting the message: Error: either local is duplicate, or netmask is garbage until I changed the syntax from config_eth0=XX.YY.ZZ.WW broadcast XX.YY.ZZ.255 netmask 255.255.255.0 to config_eth0=XX.YY.ZZ.WW/24 The other syntax worked in baselayout1. That error message comes from iproute2, so it looks like you hit this bug: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=366905 In a nutshell we are trying to convert ifconfig syntax to iproute2 syntax, but we do not do it correctly in this case. The consensus on the dev list seems to be that it is fine to stop doing that, so at some point in the future, probably a release coming up soon, the syntax of config_* lines will have to match the tool you are using to configure the interfaces. William pgpFZawwWBcIu.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 18:55, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? Is it pretty simple and just works or are there issues? I'm mostly interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have. Just a simple works here and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice. List issues if you had any. For me it was a breeze. I have two machines running testing for some time and a server that was an year behind in updates. I decided to update it now. The easy part was the OpenRC migration. The hard was mysql (was still 4.1), php, apache (gave up and installed lighttpd instead) and (oh yeah) kernel. -- Daniel da Veiga
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On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 9:31 AM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: That error message comes from iproute2, so it looks like you hit this bug: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=366905 In a nutshell we are trying to convert ifconfig syntax to iproute2 syntax, but we do not do it correctly in this case. The consensus on the dev list seems to be that it is fine to stop doing that, so at some point in the future, probably a release coming up soon, the syntax of config_* lines will have to match the tool you are using to configure the interfaces. That looks like it. I fixed it by going to /NN notation, but it should probably be documented in the conversion guide. I was lucky that I didn't decide to do the upgrade remotely and had a console to work with because neither network interface came up due to that error. -- Manuel A. McLure WW1FA man...@mclure.org http://www.mclure.org ...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law, no man may kill a cat. -- H.P. Lovecraft
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From: Daniel da Veiga danieldave...@gmail.com On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 18:55, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? Is it pretty simple and just works or are there issues? I'm mostly interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have. Just a simple works here and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice. List issues if you had any. For me it was a breeze. I have two machines running testing for some time and a server that was an year behind in updates. I decided to update it now. The easy part was the OpenRC migration. The hard was mysql (was still 4.1), php, apache (gave up and installed lighttpd instead) and (oh yeah) kernel. I just finished update my server. OpenRC updated without any problems. My laptop had to have its compiler updated before I could could do the sync and update - guess I didn't finish the previous update and KDE wanted GCC 4.4 instead of 4.3. I should be able to get it going tonight hopefully... My desktop is a few months behind - still gotta get it fixed from a previous failed update. But won't have the time for at least another month. I may end up just rebuilding it if the updates are too troublesome - it may prove faster. Ben
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BRM wrote: My desktop is a few months behind - still gotta get it fixed from a previous failed update. But won't have the time for at least another month. I may end up just rebuilding it if the updates are too troublesome - it may prove faster. Ben I just went through the same thing with my old x86 rig. I would recommend syncing then doing a emerge -e world and being done with it. Actually, I would use the nifty gcc upgrade script. It's on the forums or I can send it to you. It's old but it still works and is faster than emerge -e system a couple times then a emerge -e world. I had python plus a few other issues. It was a mess until I did the whole thing. Dale :-) :-)
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On Wednesday 11 May 2011 07:27:32 Dale wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hi, Dale. On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 04:55:01PM -0500, Dale wrote: Hi folks, I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? Is it pretty simple and just works or are there issues? I'm mostly interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have. Just a simple works here and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice. List issues if you had any. For me, it just worked. But it took me well over two hours, and that was after spending several hours studying the FM (practically memorising it, actually). Things which threaten to make my PC unbootable have that effect on me. I was surprised by the number of config files which had changed (though I was surprised not to see inittab amongst them). I had a few problems with consolefont and keymaps, but that probably had to do with my converting from ISO-8859-1 to UTF-8 the day before. I take my hat off to Christian Faulhammer and William Hubbs, true gentlemen, who took so much trouble to make a difficult transition so smooth and easy. Thanks for the feedback. Dale :-) :-) After reading some replies here, I did mine. It went well. I agree, hats off to the folks who worked on this. Seems like their work paid off very well. I just hope everyone else's is as easy as mine. There was a LOT of config files to update. It appears that a LOT of it was done during the update tho. I'm just glad this is done. Sort of been dreading this. Dale :-) :-) I actually did mine before noticing this thread and didn't actually pay much attention to it all. Not had any issues and didn't need to spend much time in fixing anything. The only problem I had was that /etc/init.d/eth0 had dissapeared. That was easily fixed. -- Joost
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Walter Dnes wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 10:56:05PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote Possibly one more problem, rdate seems to have stopped working for me. I've opened a separate thread on that. Not really. It seems that rdate is being dprecated in favour of NTP. I found an rdate server, but will eventually switch to ntpd I suppose. If ntp gives you grief, try chrony. I use ntp on one machine where ntp works well and chrony on my main rig since ntp sucks on it. Weird but it works. Dale :-) :-)
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Joost Roeleveld wrote: I actually did mine before noticing this thread and didn't actually pay much attention to it all. Not had any issues and didn't need to spend much time in fixing anything. The only problem I had was that /etc/init.d/eth0 had dissapeared. That was easily fixed. -- Joost Same here. I had to recreate my link as well. Glad it was in the guide tho. Dale :-) :-)
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On Thursday 12 May 2011 04:25:58 Dale wrote: Joost Roeleveld wrote: I actually did mine before noticing this thread and didn't actually pay much attention to it all. Not had any issues and didn't need to spend much time in fixing anything. The only problem I had was that /etc/init.d/eth0 had dissapeared. That was easily fixed. -- Joost Same here. I had to recreate my link as well. Glad it was in the guide tho. Yep, as I noticed after reading the guide, which was after I did the update without actually checking first :) -- Joost
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Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Thursday 12 May 2011 04:25:58 Dale wrote: Joost Roeleveld wrote: I actually did mine before noticing this thread and didn't actually pay much attention to it all. Not had any issues and didn't need to spend much time in fixing anything. The only problem I had was that /etc/init.d/eth0 had dissapeared. That was easily fixed. -- Joost Same here. I had to recreate my link as well. Glad it was in the guide tho. Yep, as I noticed after reading the guide, which was after I did the update without actually checking first :) -- Joost Hindsight. 20/20 as always. LOL I just wish my eyes was. Dale :-) :-)
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On Thursday 12 May 2011 10:23:42 Dale wrote: If ntp gives you grief, try chrony. I use ntp on one machine where ntp works well and chrony on my main rig since ntp sucks on it. Weird but it works. I've been using chrony for years. It's a nice piece of code: it keeps the clock in sync, regardless of what other OSes you may run on the same box, and it makes gradual adjustments so as not to upset, e.g., postfix. -- Rgds Peter
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On Thursday 12 May 2011 14:00:16 Dale wrote: Hindsight. 20/20 as always. LOL I just wish my eyes was. What? In the back of your head? :) -- Rgds Peter
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On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:00:02PM +0200, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Thursday 12 May 2011 14:00:16 Dale wrote: Hindsight. 20/20 as always. LOL I just wish my eyes was. What? In the back of your head? :) My hair hides the eyes in the back of my head (and hides my horns, too). -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫
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Peter Humphrey wrote: On Thursday 12 May 2011 14:00:16 Dale wrote: Hindsight. 20/20 as always. LOL I just wish my eyes was. What? In the back of your head? :) You know, you do something then look back and wish you had done it differently. Then again, I have arthritis in my neck and can't turn my head much. That kind of hind sight might be good to. That would come in handy when I am on the tractor. lol Dale :-) :-)
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Just ran into a gotcha with my main server upgrade to openrc/baselayout2 - it appears that the old ifconfig network syntax no longer works. I kept getting the message: Error: either local is duplicate, or netmask is garbage until I changed the syntax from config_eth0=XX.YY.ZZ.WW broadcast XX.YY.ZZ.255 netmask 255.255.255.0 to config_eth0=XX.YY.ZZ.WW/24 The other syntax worked in baselayout1. -- Manuel A. McLure WW1FA man...@mclure.org http://www.mclure.org ...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law, no man may kill a cat. -- H.P. Lovecraft
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110510 Dale wrote: what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? On amd64 here no problem, despite being half-asleep at the time. It worried at the 2nd line of Init msgs that I hadn't set rc_sys , but that was fixed when I uncommented the defaultin /etc/rc.conf . It's still worrying at shut-down that /tmp is in use when unmounting, but re-assures itself that Fuser can't find any offending file. Boot time -- 'Enter' in Lilo to login prompt in raw terminal -- has dropped c 25 - 15 s , a very noticeable improvement; part of that is no delay now starting Eth0 (presumably C has replaced Bash). -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
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Philip Webb wrote: 110510 Dale wrote: what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? On amd64 here no problem, despite being half-asleep at the time. It worried at the 2nd line of Init msgs that I hadn't set rc_sys , but that was fixed when I uncommented the defaultin /etc/rc.conf . It's still worrying at shut-down that /tmp is in use when unmounting, but re-assures itself that Fuser can't find any offending file. Boot time -- 'Enter' in Lilo to login prompt in raw terminal -- has dropped c 25 - 15 s , a very noticeable improvement; part of that is no delay now starting Eth0 (presumably C has replaced Bash). I had noticed that my eth0 was slow to start but not always. I'm not sure why it took so long but it did eventually come up. It's connected by wire to a LinkSys router and most of the time, it comes up quickly but on occasion, it decides to take a while. That is a good speed improvement. I didn't notice much difference here tho. Do you, or anyone else, have the parallel startup enabled? I started to but noticed the warning in the config file. Goes like this: # WARNING: whilst we have improved parallel, it can still potentially lock # the boot process. Don't file bugs about this unless you can supply # patches that fix it without breaking other things! #rc_parallel=NO Sort of curious if anyone uses it and have had theirs to lock up during the boot up. Dale :-) :-)
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Le 10/05/2011 23:55, Dale a écrit : Hi folks, I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? Is it pretty simple and just works or are there issues? I'm mostly interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have. Just a simple works here and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice. List issues if you had any. Thanks for the feedback. Dale :-) :-) Hi all, After openrc and baselayout update, then RTFM, everything works fine with amd64. Cheers, -- Jacques
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110511 Dale wrote: Do you, or anyone else, have the parallel startup enabled? I started to but noticed the warning in the config file. No for the same reason as yourself. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
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On Wed, 11 May 2011 01:55:05 -0500, Dale wrote: Do you, or anyone else, have the parallel startup enabled? I started to but noticed the warning in the config file. I've tried it in the past. I didn't notice any massive speedup, but no problems either, except that that the init messages aren't as nice, especially when it stops to ask for my LUKS password. -- Neil Bothwick It's not who you know; it's whom you know. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 11 May 2011 01:55:05 -0500, Dale wrote: Do you, or anyone else, have the parallel startup enabled? I started to but noticed the warning in the config file. I've tried it in the past. I didn't notice any massive speedup, but no problems either, except that that the init messages aren't as nice, especially when it stops to ask for my LUKS password. I used it a long time ago on my old x86 machine. I couldn't tell much difference either. I didn't time it or anything but still. I'll leave it like it is I guess. I like all the little green OK's that scroll up anyway. Dale :-) :-)
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On Wed, 11 May 2011 04:55:46 -0500, Dale wrote: I'll leave it like it is I guess. I like all the little green OK's that scroll up anyway. Reassuring, aren't they? -- Neil Bothwick Meow SPLAT! Woof SPLAT!Jeez, it's really raining today. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 11 May 2011 04:55:46 -0500, Dale wrote: I'll leave it like it is I guess. I like all the little green OK's that scroll up anyway. Reassuring, aren't they? What's bad is when something doesn't start for some reason and you don't know it didn't start. Then things start acting weird and you get a head scratcher. It's one reason I don't like the picture stuff that some people use that covers all that up. Even when I boot off a USB stick or CD, I hit F2 or whatever to see if everything I need is seen and ready. I wish they had a guide that points out the differences between the old way and the new ways. I'm sort of poking around to see what all has changed. The rc stuff changed for sure. Some for the better tho. Dale :-) :-)
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On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? Is it pretty simple and just works or are there issues? I'm mostly interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have. Just a simple works here and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice. List issues if you had any. It worket fine. I only lost my /etc/hosts file configuration on the process. Probably my fault when a ran etc-update. I noticed a rc_sys not configured in rc.conf message during the boot, using automatic ... . Is commented rc_sys in rc.conf the default configuration expected ? Thanks for the feedback. Dale :-) :-)
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Hi, Dale. On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 04:55:01PM -0500, Dale wrote: Hi folks, I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? Is it pretty simple and just works or are there issues? I'm mostly interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have. Just a simple works here and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice. List issues if you had any. For me, it just worked. But it took me well over two hours, and that was after spending several hours studying the FM (practically memorising it, actually). Things which threaten to make my PC unbootable have that effect on me. I was surprised by the number of config files which had changed (though I was surprised not to see inittab amongst them). I had a few problems with consolefont and keymaps, but that probably had to do with my converting from ISO-8859-1 to UTF-8 the day before. I take my hat off to Christian Faulhammer and William Hubbs, true gentlemen, who took so much trouble to make a difficult transition so smooth and easy. Thanks for the feedback. Dale :-) :-) -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
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No issues, followed the guide, everything working. Felix Leif On Tuesday 10 May 2011 16:55:01 Dale wrote: Hi folks, I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? Is it pretty simple and just works or are there issues? I'm mostly interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have. Just a simple works here and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice. List issues if you had any. Thanks for the feedback. Dale :-) :-)
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Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hi, Dale. On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 04:55:01PM -0500, Dale wrote: Hi folks, I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? Is it pretty simple and just works or are there issues? I'm mostly interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have. Just a simple works here and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice. List issues if you had any. For me, it just worked. But it took me well over two hours, and that was after spending several hours studying the FM (practically memorising it, actually). Things which threaten to make my PC unbootable have that effect on me. I was surprised by the number of config files which had changed (though I was surprised not to see inittab amongst them). I had a few problems with consolefont and keymaps, but that probably had to do with my converting from ISO-8859-1 to UTF-8 the day before. I take my hat off to Christian Faulhammer and William Hubbs, true gentlemen, who took so much trouble to make a difficult transition so smooth and easy. Thanks for the feedback. Dale :-) :-) After reading some replies here, I did mine. It went well. I agree, hats off to the folks who worked on this. Seems like their work paid off very well. I just hope everyone else's is as easy as mine. There was a LOT of config files to update. It appears that a LOT of it was done during the update tho. I'm just glad this is done. Sort of been dreading this. Dale :-) :-)
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On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? Is it pretty simple and just works or are there issues? I'm mostly interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have. Just a simple works here and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice. List issues if you had any. Thanks for the feedback. Dale :-) :-) I had a problem with bonding.sh script. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=366653 Kfir
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Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 11 May 2011 04:55:46 -0500, Dale wrote: I'll leave it like it is I guess. I like all the little green OK's that scroll up anyway. Reassuring, aren't they? What's bad is when something doesn't start for some reason and you don't know it didn't start. Then things start acting weird and you get a head scratcher. It's one reason I don't like the picture stuff that some people use that covers all that up. Even when I boot off a USB stick or CD, I hit F2 or whatever to see if everything I need is seen and ready. The picture stuff will switch to verbose if there's any errors in the bootup process, otherwise it's a nice graphical bootscreen and a progress bar. -- Regards, Gregory.
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On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? Is it pretty simple and just works or are there issues? I'm mostly interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have. Just a simple works here and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice. List issues if you had any. Thanks for the feedback. Dale :-) :-) Hi Dale, I've now done 5 stable machines - 4 hardware and 1 VM. I haven't had any significant problems on any of them. The update takes well less that 30 minutes and, for me anyway, has been relatively pain free compared to other historic Gentoo upgrades. Cheers, Mark
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Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? Is it pretty simple and just works or are there issues? I'm mostly interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have. Just a simple works here and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice. List issues if you had any. Thanks for the feedback. Dale :-) :-) Hi Dale, I've now done 5 stable machines - 4 hardware and 1 VM. I haven't had any significant problems on any of them. The update takes well less that 30 minutes and, for me anyway, has been relatively pain free compared to other historic Gentoo upgrades. Cheers, Mark Yep. I agree. Of all the things that have caused problems in the past, this was a doozy. It had the potential to really bork a system. It appears to have been a very easy one. I don't think anyone had a REALLY big problem with this upgrade. The devs made sure all the ducks was in line on this one. Yeppie for that. Dale :-) :-)
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On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? Is it pretty simple and just works or are there issues? I'm mostly interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have. Just a simple works here and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice. List issues if you had any. Thanks for the feedback. Dale :-) :-) Hi Dale, I've now done 5 stable machines - 4 hardware and 1 VM. I haven't had any significant problems on any of them. The update takes well less that 30 minutes and, for me anyway, has been relatively pain free compared to other historic Gentoo upgrades. Cheers, Mark Yep. I agree. Of all the things that have caused problems in the past, this was a doozy. It had the potential to really bork a system. It appears to have been a very easy one. I don't think anyone had a REALLY big problem with this upgrade. The devs made sure all the ducks was in line on this one. Yeppie for that. Dale :-) :-) I remember expat and e2fsprogs breaking spectacularly with no warning whatsoever back when That was fun. This update is a complete opposite from those nightmares. James Wall
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James Wall wrote: I remember expat and e2fsprogs breaking spectacularly with no warning whatsoever back when That was fun. This update is a complete opposite from those nightmares. James Wall That was one of the ones I was thinking about. I have to say, things in the dev world have improved a LOT. The devs seem to get along better plus there is some really good stuff going on with portage itself. I suspect one leads to the other but that's just my opinion. I subscribe to -dev and they seem to really try to keep the users in mind. I was in on the discussion about alerting users to this upgrade. I have to say, they did all they could to let people know this was coming. It looks like it worked out well. Let's hope all the things in the future are like this. :-D Dale :-) :-)
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On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 10:56:05PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote Possibly one more problem, rdate seems to have stopped working for me. I've opened a separate thread on that. Not really. It seems that rdate is being dprecated in favour of NTP. I found an rdate server, but will eventually switch to ntpd I suppose. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
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Hi folks, I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? Is it pretty simple and just works or are there issues? I'm mostly interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have. Just a simple works here and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice. List issues if you had any. Thanks for the feedback. Dale :-) :-)
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* Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com [110510 17:29]: Hi folks, I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? Is it pretty simple and just works or are there issues? I'm mostly interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have. Just a simple works here and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice. List issues if you had any. Thanks for the feedback. Dale :-) :-) Hi Dale, I did it previously on a couple ~x86 machines and now on a couple x86 machines haven't had any problems at all. Todd
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Apparently, though unproven, at 23:55 on Tuesday 10 May 2011, Dale did opine thusly: Hi folks, I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? Is it pretty simple and just works or are there issues? I'm mostly interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have. Just a simple works here and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice. List issues if you had any. Been using it for, oh I dunno - ages?, on a variety of x86 and amd64 machines. All bar one were clean installs, the one - this very notebook - was a migration. Does it work? Well, you've been reading my posts all this time so the migration couldn't have been catastrophic :-) It was a PITA at the time, having to go through conf.d and fiddle each one to be conformant. But once complete, it was a reboot and JustWorks(tm) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? Is it pretty simple and just works or are there issues? I'm mostly interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have. Just a simple works here and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice. List issues if you had any. I'm using ~amd64 and upgraded long, long, long ago. No problems at all during or after the upgrade. I would expect it to be even smoother process now than it was then. IIRC the biggest deal with the baselayout/openrc upgrade was that you must update a bunch of config files, which are not necessarily all blind/trivial updates. Failing to update them could make rebooting a sad experience.
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Am 10.05.2011 23:55, schrieb Dale: Hi folks, I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? Is it pretty simple and just works or are there issues? I'm mostly interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have. Just a simple works here and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice. List issues if you had any. Thanks for the feedback. Dale :-) :-) I've followed the official documentation and had no problems. Well ... I sometimes had a problem with a parts of /etc/rc.conf being ignored but that is specific to my fiddling with it and I've never tracked it down far enough to open a bug for it. All at all, I don't think you have to expect trouble as long as you rtfm. Regards, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Dale writes: I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? Is it pretty simple and just works or are there issues? I'm mostly interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have. Just a simple works here and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice. List issues if you had any. I switched my main system about at least a year ago (and later on some mor emachines), and it was without trouble. Be sure to update your config files. The howto even had some points in it that it told had to be done (I think adding init services to runlevels), but they were somehow performed automagically. Only slight problem I noticed: my file systems are being checked for the need to be fscked for two times when booting. If a fsck is started, the first one can be aborted with Ctrl-C as it used to be, the 2nd one cannnot, which can be annoying if the partition is very large and I want to use the PC _now_. I did not investigate this further, whether /etc/init.d/fsck is called for two times or what. I thought it had to do with all my partitions being on LUKS, but I don't even remember why I thought this. Anyway, I think the update is quite safe when you follow the instructions. Wonko
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Alex Schuster wrote: Anyway, I think the update is quite safe when you follow the instructions. Wonko After the mess I had with hal and xorg, I hope it is safe. ;-) Thanks to all for the replies. I'm going to back up my /etc directory and give it a whirl. If it gives me problems, I'll be back looking like this: :-@ Dale :-) :-)
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Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? Is it pretty simple and just works or are there issues? I'm mostly interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have. Just a simple works here and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice. List issues if you had any. I'm using ~amd64 and upgraded long, long, long ago. No problems at all during or after the upgrade. I would expect it to be even smoother process now than it was then. IIRC the biggest deal with the baselayout/openrc upgrade was that you must update a bunch of config files, which are not necessarily all blind/trivial updates. Failing to update them could make rebooting a sad experience. I can say the same -- I am using ~x64 and was using ~x86 at the time, and had no problems switching over. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
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On Tue, 10 May 2011 18:10:40 -0500, Dale wrote: After the mess I had with hal and xorg, I hope it is safe. ;-) Of course it is, but so was hal and xorg for the rest of us :-/ -- Neil Bothwick Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 10 May 2011 18:10:40 -0500, Dale wrote: After the mess I had with hal and xorg, I hope it is safe. ;-) Of course it is, but so was hal and xorg for the rest of us :-/ Well some seemed to have no issues with it and just changing the USE flags was it. Not for me tho. Got locked out of my own system with no mouse or keyboard. I never did get that thing to work either. This however seems to have worked. I emerged them, ran etc-update which had a LOT of updates, went through the guide and edited a few things and rebooted. I can't say it was any faster tho. It stopped at one point, which worried me at first, then carried on. I'm not sure what it stopped on tho. Maybe it was a one time thing. What do you know, I upgraded and it worked. Now if I can just get rid of this Nepomuk thingy that pops up a bit after I login to KDE. Makes me want to get a fly flap and beat on the message. lol It bugs me. Get it? Thanks for the replies. Sort of helped me decide when to do this. Dale :-) :-)
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I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? Is it pretty simple and just works or are there issues? I'm mostly interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have. Just a simple works here and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice. List issues if you had any. IMO if you read the guide through before starting, and follow it during implementation, you will be fine. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/openrc-migration.xml That is, it works if you do it properly :)
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On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? Is it pretty simple and just works or are there issues? I'm mostly interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have. Just a simple works here and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice. List issues if you had any. On my dedicated MythTV box, the major problem I had was that neither net.eth0 nor net.eth1 started up once I deleted /etc/conf.d/rc and went to /etc/rc.conf. This is possibly due to the hotplug settings which IMHO weren't clear in /etc/rc.conf. Fixed by simply adding net.eth0 and net.eth1 to the default runlevel and everything is fine now. I think that a guide specifying exactly how to migrate from /etc/conf.d/rc to rc.conf, setting by setting, would be good. Please read through /etc/rc.conf and /etc/conf.d/rc and migrate the settings doesn't cut it when the syntax and semantics of some settings are so different. Also, I'm accustomed to having configuration files show the default value commented out, but for example in this case the commented out value was #rc_hotplug=* which was the exact opposite of the default which is !*. -- Manuel A. McLure WW1FA man...@mclure.org http://www.mclure.org ...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law, no man may kill a cat. -- H.P. Lovecraft
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Works without a flaw. x86 here. Leonardo 2011/5/10 Manuel McLure man...@mclure.org On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? Is it pretty simple and just works or are there issues? I'm mostly interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have. Just a simple works here and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice. List issues if you had any. On my dedicated MythTV box, the major problem I had was that neither net.eth0 nor net.eth1 started up once I deleted /etc/conf.d/rc and went to /etc/rc.conf. This is possibly due to the hotplug settings which IMHO weren't clear in /etc/rc.conf. Fixed by simply adding net.eth0 and net.eth1 to the default runlevel and everything is fine now. I think that a guide specifying exactly how to migrate from /etc/conf.d/rc to rc.conf, setting by setting, would be good. Please read through /etc/rc.conf and /etc/conf.d/rc and migrate the settings doesn't cut it when the syntax and semantics of some settings are so different. Also, I'm accustomed to having configuration files show the default value commented out, but for example in this case the commented out value was #rc_hotplug=* which was the exact opposite of the default which is !*. -- Manuel A. McLure WW1FA man...@mclure.org http://www.mclure.org ...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law, no man may kill a cat. -- H.P. Lovecraft
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On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 12:20:02AM +0200, Paul Hartman wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? Is it pretty simple and just works or are there issues? I'm mostly interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have. Just a simple works here and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice. List issues if you had any. I'm using ~amd64 and upgraded long, long, long ago. No problems at all during or after the upgrade. I would expect it to be even smoother process now than it was then. IIRC the biggest deal with the baselayout/openrc upgrade was that you must update a bunch of config files, which are not necessarily all blind/trivial updates. Failing to update them could make rebooting a sad experience. Same here, on x86 and ppc. Most of it was handled automatically and the rest via dispatch-conf. Works just fine. -- caveat utilitor
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On 5/10/2011 18:25, Indi wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 12:20:02AM +0200, Paul Hartman wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? Is it pretty simple and just works or are there issues? I'm mostly interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have. Just a simple works here and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice. List issues if you had any. I'm using ~amd64 and upgraded long, long, long ago. No problems at all during or after the upgrade. I would expect it to be even smoother process now than it was then. IIRC the biggest deal with the baselayout/openrc upgrade was that you must update a bunch of config files, which are not necessarily all blind/trivial updates. Failing to update them could make rebooting a sad experience. Same here, on x86 and ppc. Most of it was handled automatically and the rest via dispatch-conf. Works just fine. Went pretty smoothly for me following the upgrade guide. I have a gentoo based iptables firewall with a fairly complicated network setup with postup() functions. I made the mistake of taking out the BASH syntax (the surrounding parens, etc) on my postup() function based on the guide, wondering if it'd work or not, and sure enough it wanted the old BASH style syntax for those functions, but the new style (w/o parens, and quoted blocks with CRs) on the normal sections. They should probably make a note of this in the config guide. It's good to see they added in support for iproute2 rules natively instead of requiring a postup() function. I'd like to see them add a similar functionality for adding static ARP entries too (right now using my own postup() for that). -Jim smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
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On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 04:55:01PM -0500, Dale wrote Hi folks, I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? Is it pretty simple and just works or are there issues? I'm mostly interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have. Just a simple works here and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice. List issues if you had any. I had one syntax error that totally broke networking on my amd64 stable.. Fortunately, I hadn't upgrade my hot backup machine G. I had simply removed the bash parentheses in /etc/conf.d/net and got... config_eth0= 192.168.123.249/29 broadcast 192.168.123.255 mtu 1454 169.254.1.3/16 broadcast 169.254.255.255 routes_eth0= default via 192.168.123.254 metric 2 192.168.123.248/29 via 192.168.123.254 metric 0 169.254.0.0/16 via 169.254.1.3 metric 0 The result was no network for you. Moving the opening quote to immediately after the equals sign (for both config_eth0 and routes_eth0) fixed that, like so... config_eth0= 192.168.123.249/29 broadcast 192.168.123.255 mtu 1454 169.254.1.3/16 broadcast 169.254.255.255 routes_eth0= default via 192.168.123.254 metric 2 192.168.123.248/29 via 192.168.123.254 metric 0 169.254.0.0/16 via 169.254.1.3 metric 0 A big thank you to William Hubbs for spotting that error. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
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Possibly one more problem, rdate seems to have stopped working for me. I've opened a separate thread on that. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
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Dale wrote: Well some seemed to have no issues with it and just changing the USE flags was it. Not for me tho. Got locked out of my own system with no mouse or keyboard. I never did get that thing to work either. This however seems to have worked. I emerged them, ran etc-update which had a LOT of updates, went through the guide and edited a few things and rebooted. I can't say it was any faster tho. It stopped at one point, which worried me at first, then carried on. I'm not sure what it stopped on tho. Maybe it was a one time thing. What do you know, I upgraded and it worked. Now if I can just get rid of this Nepomuk thingy that pops up a bit after I login to KDE. Makes me want to get a fly flap and beat on the message. lol It bugs me. Get it? Thanks for the replies. Sort of helped me decide when to do this. Dale :-) :-) I noticed something . . . odd. Sometimes when I do upgrades to some packages, I go to single user, check what processes are still running and kill strays, then go back to the default run level and login. I just updated a lot of KDE related stuff and went to single user. When it says single user, it ain't kidding. It even unmounts file systems. Oook. That's weird. It didn't do that before. :/ Then when I wanted to go back to the default run level and typed in rc default exit, it logged me out which is normal but nothing scrolled up like it did in the old baselayout. The screen went blank and a bit later the KDM screen came up. It used to be that it logged me out and then I saw all the services scrolling up until kdm started. Is this the new normal? Should I not do the exit thing now? One good thing I noticed, KDE used to have a LOT of dead processes running after logging out, even after going to single user. Lots of kdeinit and knotify stuff. It seems to close out a LOT cleaner. On my first time going single user, it was clean as a whistle. I didn't see a single stray process in the bunch. Neato !! Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
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On 11/05/11 04:07, Jim Burwell wrote: On 5/10/2011 18:25, Indi wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 12:20:02AM +0200, Paul Hartman wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? Is it pretty simple and just works or are there issues? I'm mostly interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have. Just a simple works here and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice. List issues if you had any. I'm using ~amd64 and upgraded long, long, long ago. No problems at all during or after the upgrade. I would expect it to be even smoother process now than it was then. IIRC the biggest deal with the baselayout/openrc upgrade was that you must update a bunch of config files, which are not necessarily all blind/trivial updates. Failing to update them could make rebooting a sad experience. Same here, on x86 and ppc. Most of it was handled automatically and the rest via dispatch-conf. Works just fine. Went pretty smoothly for me following the upgrade guide. I have a gentoo based iptables firewall with a fairly complicated network setup with postup() functions. I made the mistake of taking out the BASH syntax (the surrounding parens, etc) on my postup() function based on the guide, wondering if it'd work or not, and sure enough it wanted the old BASH style syntax for those functions, but the new style (w/o parens, and quoted blocks with CRs) on the normal sections. They should probably make a note of this in the config guide. It's good to see they added in support for iproute2 rules natively instead of requiring a postup() function. I'd like to see them add a similar functionality for adding static ARP entries too (right now using my own postup() for that). Just file a request on bugzilla. They have to know what you like to have included. justin signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On Wednesday 11 May 2011 03:07:32 Jim Burwell wrote: On 5/10/2011 18:25, Indi wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 12:20:02AM +0200, Paul Hartman wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? Is it pretty simple and just works or are there issues? I'm mostly interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have. Just a simple works here and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice. List issues if you had any. I'm using ~amd64 and upgraded long, long, long ago. No problems at all during or after the upgrade. I would expect it to be even smoother process now than it was then. IIRC the biggest deal with the baselayout/openrc upgrade was that you must update a bunch of config files, which are not necessarily all blind/trivial updates. Failing to update them could make rebooting a sad experience. Same here, on x86 and ppc. Most of it was handled automatically and the rest via dispatch-conf. Works just fine. Went pretty smoothly for me following the upgrade guide. I have a gentoo based iptables firewall with a fairly complicated network setup with postup() functions. I made the mistake of taking out the BASH syntax (the surrounding parens, etc) on my postup() function based on the guide, wondering if it'd work or not, and sure enough it wanted the old BASH style syntax for those functions, but the new style (w/o parens, and quoted blocks with CRs) on the normal sections. They should probably make a note of this in the config guide. It's good to see they added in support for iproute2 rules natively instead of requiring a postup() function. I'd like to see them add a similar functionality for adding static ARP entries too (right now using my own postup() for that). Jim, it's a good idea to post a bug so that they can change the documentation. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
