Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5 stuff and media-libs/mlt conflict

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 21:51:20 -0600, Dale wrote:

> I looked back at the last update in emerge.log.  I saw a few KDE
> packages and a few qt packages.  I didn't see any plasma packages. 
> Right now my allergies are acting up so my vision is a bit blurry.  I
> could have missed it if it was just one or something. 

qlop -l plasma
or
genlop --date last week -s plasma


-- 
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"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting
different results." (Albert Einstein)


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5 stuff and media-libs/mlt conflict

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 21:51:20 -0600, Dale wrote:
>
>> I looked back at the last update in emerge.log.  I saw a few KDE
>> packages and a few qt packages.  I didn't see any plasma packages. 
>> Right now my allergies are acting up so my vision is a bit blurry.  I
>> could have missed it if it was just one or something. 
> qlop -l plasma
> or
> genlop --date last week -s plasma
>
>


It didn't find anything either so I guess nothing plasma got updated.  I
think what happened could be this.  One of the KDE packages didn't like
my old config and reset itself to the default.  When it did that, it
made other changes as well.  Still, either way I like it. 

I finally got around to adjusting the size of the icons.  Now, all is
good. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5 stuff and media-libs/mlt conflict

[Neil Bothwick]

On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 05:26:33 -0600, Dale wrote:

> It didn't find anything either so I guess nothing plasma got updated.  I
> think what happened could be this.  One of the KDE packages didn't like
> my old config and reset itself to the default.  When it did that, it
> made other changes as well.  Still, either way I like it. 

KDE5 stores it's config in a different place - .config instead of .kde4.
KDE does have a function for porting configs when the options or format
changes, so it is possible something got reset to a default.
 
> I finally got around to adjusting the size of the icons.  Now, all is
> good. 

I have absolute faith in your ability to break if before the weekend os
over ;-)


-- 
Neil Bothwick

"There are some ideas so idiotic that only an intellectual could believe
them" George Orwell


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5 stuff and media-libs/mlt conflict

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 05:26:33 -0600, Dale wrote:
>
>> It didn't find anything either so I guess nothing plasma got updated.  I
>> think what happened could be this.  One of the KDE packages didn't like
>> my old config and reset itself to the default.  When it did that, it
>> made other changes as well.  Still, either way I like it. 
> KDE5 stores it's config in a different place - .config instead of .kde4.
> KDE does have a function for porting configs when the options or format
> changes, so it is possible something got reset to a default.


As far as I know, I'm still on KDE4.  I was attempting to try KDE5 but I
never actually emerged anything.  I kept running into blockers and such
so I just moved out the files I had created to test this out and that
put it back like it was.  After that, I did my regular updates.  This is
my kdelibs:

[IP-] [  ] kde-base/kdelibs-4.14.15-r1

I should be on KDE4 still.  That is anyway and I would assume that would
be one that would update for sure. 


>  
>> I finally got around to adjusting the size of the icons.  Now, all is
>> good. 
> I have absolute faith in your ability to break if before the weekend os
> over ;-)
>
>


Actually, that is the first time I had issues with that since the whole
KDE3 to KDE4 move that I recall.  I've been using the same saved session
for a really long time.  My basic setup is things I use often and I just
start the rest as needed.  Until this past update, it's worked fine. 
Odd I know.  lol

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5 stuff and media-libs/mlt conflict

[Peter Humphrey]

On Thursday 07 January 2016 12:40:48 Dale wrote:
--->8
> Well, I undid everything, moved the files out of /etc/portage, and did
> my regular updates.  When I logged back in, some things were different.
> I don't mean broke different, just different.  I sort of lost my
> settings on some things it seems and my saved session was a bit weird.
> Some apps were open and showed at the bottom but I couldn't get them
> where I could see them.  It acted like they were hidden, you know when
> you click and get it to minimize.  Thing is, clicking to get it to come
> back didn't work.  It's there but not there if you get it.

I've been getting that for months now. A random selection of the windows I 
have open on various desktops are inaccessible. Sometimes a reboot will fix 
it, but often not. In that case I have to stop each program and restart it.

It's as though there were two planes of desktops, only one of which was 
visible, and any given program would be outputting to either one or the 
other. Weird.

> Also, the desktop looks funny, as in strange funny.  It sorta looks neat
> in a way but it is different.  I also had to set it back to folder view
> since it went to default.
> 
> I'm not quite sure what changed but something did.  I'm pretty sure it
> had nothing to do with me trying to get KDE5 tho.  I had that so that I
> could just move the files out and be back where I was.  Also, it never
> emerged anything.  So, it had to be a regular update that did it but not
> sure which one.
> 
> The only thing I want to change, I want to make the little icons
> smaller.  Other than that, it looks "crisper" or "cleaner" in some way
> that I can't quite describe.  Now to go find that setting.  It's in the
> control thingy somewhere.  I changed it once before.

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5 stuff and media-libs/mlt conflict

[Dale]

Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Thursday 07 January 2016 12:40:48 Dale wrote:
> --->8
>> Well, I undid everything, moved the files out of /etc/portage, and did
>> my regular updates.  When I logged back in, some things were different.
>> I don't mean broke different, just different.  I sort of lost my
>> settings on some things it seems and my saved session was a bit weird.
>> Some apps were open and showed at the bottom but I couldn't get them
>> where I could see them.  It acted like they were hidden, you know when
>> you click and get it to minimize.  Thing is, clicking to get it to come
>> back didn't work.  It's there but not there if you get it.
> I've been getting that for months now. A random selection of the windows I 
> have open on various desktops are inaccessible. Sometimes a reboot will fix 
> it, but often not. In that case I have to stop each program and restart it.
>
> It's as though there were two planes of desktops, only one of which was 
> visible, and any given program would be outputting to either one or the 
> other. Weird.
>

That sounds just like what I have here.  I can see it in that little bar
at the bottom but I can't get it to pop up on the desktop to use the
app.  Restarting the app makes it show up and it works like usual after
that.  It's pretty weird.

I'm curious to see what it does when I have to log out and back in again
tho.  I wonder if it was a one off event or if I have to restart
everything again after logging in.  I use a saved session so I'll know
when I login again I guess. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5 stuff and media-libs/mlt conflict

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 07/01/2016 20:40, Dale wrote:
>>
>>
>> Well, I undid everything, moved the files out of /etc/portage, and did
>> my regular updates.  When I logged back in, some things were different. 
>> I don't mean broke different, just different.  I sort of lost my
>> settings on some things it seems and my saved session was a bit weird. 
>> Some apps were open and showed at the bottom but I couldn't get them
>> where I could see them.  It acted like they were hidden, you know when
>> you click and get it to minimize.  Thing is, clicking to get it to come
>> back didn't work.  It's there but not there if you get it. 
>>
>> Also, the desktop looks funny, as in strange funny.  It sorta looks neat
>> in a way but it is different.  I also had to set it back to folder view
>> since it went to default. 
>>
>> I'm not quite sure what changed but something did.  I'm pretty sure it
>> had nothing to do with me trying to get KDE5 tho.  I had that so that I
>> could just move the files out and be back where I was.  Also, it never
>> emerged anything.  So, it had to be a regular update that did it but not
>> sure which one. 
>>
>> The only thing I want to change, I want to make the little icons
>> smaller.  Other than that, it looks "crisper" or "cleaner" in some way
>> that I can't quite describe.  Now to go find that setting.  It's in the
>> control thingy somewhere.  I changed it once before. 
>
>
> KDE looks different? Probably plasma, it has a distinctive black & white
> look with blue highlights.
>
> X display as a whole looks different? I'd need a screenshot
>
>
>
>


Well, I don't have one of my old one to even compare it too.  I like it
except that I need to take some time to resize my icons on the desktop. 
I'll get to it eventually but once I open Seamonkey or Firefox, I can't
see them any more anyway.  lol 

I looked back at the last update in emerge.log.  I saw a few KDE
packages and a few qt packages.  I didn't see any plasma packages. 
Right now my allergies are acting up so my vision is a bit blurry.  I
could have missed it if it was just one or something. 

Anyway, I kinda like it so it's all good.  I just can't quite describe
why it looks better.  :/

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5 stuff and media-libs/mlt conflict

[Peter Humphrey]

On Tuesday 05 January 2016 19:09:10 lee wrote:
> Peter Humphrey  writes:
> > On Tuesday 05 January 2016 14:34:38 lee wrote:
> >> Peter Humphrey  writes:
> >> > On Tuesday 05 January 2016 04:26:20 Dale wrote:
> >> >> Howdy,
> >> >> 
> >> >> I was going to try out some of the KDE5 stuff just to see if I'm
> >> >> going
> >> >> to like it or not.  Anyway, I added a BUNCH of stuff to a keywords
> >> >> file
> >> >> related to KDE and got past that part.  I think I got them all.  Now
> >> >> I
> >> > 
> >> >> get this:
> >> > --->8
> >> > 
> >> > I was afraid to mess up my KDE4 system with KDE5 in some sort of
> >> > parallel
> >> > fashion, so I found some spare disk space and installed KDE5 into it,
> >> > using the kde overlay and the .../desktop/plasma profile. It's much
> >> > easier to
> >> 
> >> How did you manage to install that?  I tried it yesterday (without the
> >> overlays) and found it impossible to resolve the dependency problems,
> >> so
> >> I ended up installing the 'normal' kde (I'm running out of time).  I'd
> >> rather switch that over to plasma from the beginning.
> > 
> > I found I needed the overlay. It greatly simplifies the dependencies. It
> > still isn't perfect, as changes occur during development, but it's
> > definitely well worth having.
> > 
> > Here's my current package.keywords:
> > [...]
> > 
> > I've no doubt that after the next overlay update I'll have to add or
> > remove some things.
> 
> It seemed to me that it's daring to try this because it's a work in
> progress, and with the overly, it seemed to be even worse.  So I went
> with the "normal" kde when I found out that plasma it doesn't work.
> That's already painful to install.  Install on a slow machine, and you
> can't even try much simply because it takes too long.

That's why I wanted to keep it separate. By building it in a chroot I could 
forget about it while it was emerging and continue using the main system.

> Should I try to upgrade?  That might take another day, which I don't
> have ...

I wouldn't. As you say, it's nowhere near finished yet and it's likely to 
make an awful mess of your existing setup.

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5 stuff and media-libs/mlt conflict

[Peter Humphrey]

On Tuesday 05 January 2016 22:23:22 Alan McKinnon wrote:
--->8
> This works for me. I don't use the KDE overlay, just what's in the
> regular tree. Apps appear and upgrade to KDE5 as the devs migrate them.
> 
> I found that the overlay left me with quite a few apps that don't work
> with Qt5 so I'd have to jump through hoops to get the Qt4 version from
> the tree to install. With the tree it's a case of what works with KDE5
> is installed, everything else remains KDE4

Maybe I'll have another shot at it without the overlay then. I want to 
change from nouveau to nVidia anyway, to get cuda for boinc, and doing that 
on my main system left me with just a black screen.

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5 stuff and media-libs/mlt conflict

[Alan McKinnon]

On 06/01/2016 11:49, Peter Humphrey wrote:

On Tuesday 05 January 2016 22:23:22 Alan McKinnon wrote:
--->8

This works for me. I don't use the KDE overlay, just what's in the
regular tree. Apps appear and upgrade to KDE5 as the devs migrate them.

I found that the overlay left me with quite a few apps that don't work
with Qt5 so I'd have to jump through hoops to get the Qt4 version from
the tree to install. With the tree it's a case of what works with KDE5
is installed, everything else remains KDE4


Maybe I'll have another shot at it without the overlay then. I want to
change from nouveau to nVidia anyway, to get cuda for boinc, and doing that
on my main system left me with just a black screen.




In that case there's something you need to be aware of:

You may well find that some KDE4 apps using Qt5 and new plasma look 
decidedly odd, as if they are using a toolkit they were not designed to 
use. Imagine 2 GTK apps on the screen, one using that horrible square 
blocky GTK+2 look you get without a proper theme, the other using nice 
new flashy GTK+3 goodness. Looks pretty gross and can throw you off.


Thankfully the KDE5 apps I use all work nicely now, I reckon most of 
them grossness has passed.


/alanm

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5 stuff and media-libs/mlt conflict

[Peter Humphrey]

On Wednesday 06 January 2016 12:34:46 Alan McKinnon wrote:

> You may well find that some KDE4 apps using Qt5 and new plasma look
> decidedly odd, as if they are using a toolkit they were not designed to
> use. Imagine 2 GTK apps on the screen, one using that horrible square
> blocky GTK+2 look you get without a proper theme, the other using nice
> new flashy GTK+3 goodness. Looks pretty gross and can throw you off.
> 
> Thankfully the KDE5 apps I use all work nicely now, I reckon most of
> them grossness has passed.

Thanks for the warning, Alan. I'll keep my eye open.

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5 stuff and media-libs/mlt conflict

[Neil Bothwick]

On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 16:08:36 +, Peter Humphrey wrote:

> > Thankfully the KDE5 apps I use all work nicely now, I reckon most of
> > them grossness has passed.  
> 
> Thanks for the warning, Alan. I'll keep my eye open.

To add some balance to all of this. I switched to KDE5 in July, when it
hit ~arch, and it all more or less worked. I did have one fairly serious
problem with KWin, but it turned out to be something else causing it, and
only one other person reported the issue on b.g.o.

The transition was a little bumpy with blockers popping up at times, but
it all seems to have smoothed out now, using the desktop/plasma/systemd
profile.


-- 
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[gentoo-user] KDE5 stuff and media-libs/mlt conflict

[Dale]

Howdy,

I was going to try out some of the KDE5 stuff just to see if I'm going
to like it or not.  Anyway, I added a BUNCH of stuff to a keywords file
related to KDE and got past that part.  I think I got them all.  Now I
get this:


These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!

!!! The ebuild selected to satisfy
">=media-libs/mlt-0.9.8-r1[ffmpeg,kdenlive,melt,qt5,sdl,xml]" has unmet
requirements.
- media-libs/mlt-0.9.8-r2::gentoo USE="ffmpeg frei0r gtk kde kdenlive
melt opengl python qt5 sdl xml -compressed-lumas -debug -fftw -jack
-libav -libsamplerate -lua -qt4 -rtaudio (-ruby) -vdpau -xine"
ABI_X86="64" CPU_FLAGS_X86="mmx sse sse2" PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7"

  The following REQUIRED_USE flag constraints are unsatisfied:
kde? ( qt4 )

  The above constraints are a subset of the following complete expression:
python? ( python_targets_python2_7 ) qt5? ( !qt4 ) kde? ( qt4 )

(dependency required by "kde-apps/kdenlive-15.12.0-r1::gentoo" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "kde-apps/kdemultimedia-meta-15.08.3::gentoo"
[ebuild])
(dependency required by "=kde-apps/kdemultimedia-meta-15.08.3" [argument])
root@fireball / # 


There used to be more than that but I got rid of some by disabling qt4
on some packages in package.use.  It seems some can't handle both being
enabled so disabled it is for now.  Still, I can't figure out what
emerge is trying to tell me here.  I don't have a decoder ring but I
know a couple here do.  To try and get a idea on this for the future,
I'm going to ask this way. 

When it says kde?, what does that mean?  Does it want me to specify a
version or something?  I couldn't find a USE flag for a version of KDE,
just the plain kde flag. 

Before it had a !qt4 in the error.  I assume that ! means NO.  After I
disabled qt4 for the packages, that part of the error went away.  Am I
right on that or just lucky?  Keep in mind, I'm not even a script
kiddy.  :/ 

OK Alan and Neil.  Whip out your decoder ring.  What is this thing
trying to tell me.  lol

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5 stuff and media-libs/mlt conflict

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 04:26:20 -0600, Dale wrote:
>
>> !!! The ebuild selected to satisfy
>> ">=media-libs/mlt-0.9.8-r1[ffmpeg,kdenlive,melt,qt5,sdl,xml]" has
>> unmet requirements.
>> - media-libs/mlt-0.9.8-r2::gentoo USE="ffmpeg frei0r gtk kde kdenlive
>> melt opengl python qt5 sdl xml -compressed-lumas -debug -fftw -jack
>> -libav -libsamplerate -lua -qt4 -rtaudio (-ruby) -vdpau -xine"
>> ABI_X86="64" CPU_FLAGS_X86="mmx sse sse2" PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7"
>>
>>   The following REQUIRED_USE flag constraints are unsatisfied:
>> kde? ( qt4 )
> This says that if you have the kde flag enabled, you also need qt4.
>
>>   The above constraints are a subset of the following complete
>> expression: python? ( python_targets_python2_7 ) qt5? ( !qt4 ) kde?
>> ( qt4 )
> This says you can't have qt5 and qt4 plus the above about kde.
>
> It looks like the qt5 and kde USE flags are incompatible. Try with
> USE="-kde".
>
> Also, I have the -r2 ebuild in my portage tree but not -r1, so I suggest
> you sync before trying anything else.
>
>


I sort of thought about it that way but it didn't make sense.  How can I
have KDE and not a kde USE flag was my thinking.  After reading your
post, I found out it likes the profile set to plasma, currently #8 on
the list, instead of kde.  Changing the profile got rid of this error
and seems to have changed a few other things too.  All I'm looking at
now is a hard block on kde-apps/kde4-l10n-15.08.0-r1.  I will sync again
before actually starting the build. 

So, we have to change the profile setting to get to KDE5 as well. 
Interesting. 

Thanks.  You got me closer.  I'm doing all this in a separate file so
that I can revert easily too.  Since I have buildpkg set, it wouldn't
take long to undo.

Thanks much.

Dale

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5 stuff and media-libs/mlt conflict

[Dale]

Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Tuesday 05 January 2016 04:26:20 Dale wrote:
>> Howdy,
>>
>> I was going to try out some of the KDE5 stuff just to see if I'm going
>> to like it or not.  Anyway, I added a BUNCH of stuff to a keywords file
>> related to KDE and got past that part.  I think I got them all.  Now I
>> get this:
> --->8
>
> I was afraid to mess up my KDE4 system with KDE5 in some sort of parallel 
> fashion, so I found some spare disk space and installed KDE5 into it, using 
> the kde overlay and the .../desktop/plasma profile. It's much easier to 
> manage the two systems separately (dual-boot), and there's far less risk of 
> running, say, two versions of KMail on the same data [1]. I have all my 
> usual user's stuff in ~/common, a separate partition that's mounted on 
> whichever home partition is in use.
>
> There was a helpful web page somewhere too but I can't find it now - sorry 
> Dale.
>
> 1. I'm not saying the versions of KMail do differ, but they may later during 
> development of KDE5.
>


Since I install with kde-meta, kmail is installed here but I do not use
Kmail.  I use Seamonkey for my emails.  I haven't used Kmail is many
years. 

This info may be good for others to think about tho. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5 stuff and media-libs/mlt conflict

[lee]

Peter Humphrey  writes:

> On Tuesday 05 January 2016 04:26:20 Dale wrote:
>> Howdy,
>> 
>> I was going to try out some of the KDE5 stuff just to see if I'm going
>> to like it or not.  Anyway, I added a BUNCH of stuff to a keywords file
>> related to KDE and got past that part.  I think I got them all.  Now I
>> get this:
>
> --->8
>
> I was afraid to mess up my KDE4 system with KDE5 in some sort of parallel 
> fashion, so I found some spare disk space and installed KDE5 into it, using 
> the kde overlay and the .../desktop/plasma profile. It's much easier to 

How did you manage to install that?  I tried it yesterday (without the
overlays) and found it impossible to resolve the dependency problems, so
I ended up installing the 'normal' kde (I'm running out of time).  I'd
rather switch that over to plasma from the beginning.

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5 stuff and media-libs/mlt conflict

[Peter Humphrey]

On Tuesday 05 January 2016 14:34:38 lee wrote:
> Peter Humphrey  writes:
> > On Tuesday 05 January 2016 04:26:20 Dale wrote:
> >> Howdy,
> >> 
> >> I was going to try out some of the KDE5 stuff just to see if I'm going
> >> to like it or not.  Anyway, I added a BUNCH of stuff to a keywords file
> >> related to KDE and got past that part.  I think I got them all.  Now I
> > 
> >> get this:
> > --->8
> > 
> > I was afraid to mess up my KDE4 system with KDE5 in some sort of
> > parallel
> > fashion, so I found some spare disk space and installed KDE5 into it,
> > using the kde overlay and the .../desktop/plasma profile. It's much
> > easier to
> How did you manage to install that?  I tried it yesterday (without the
> overlays) and found it impossible to resolve the dependency problems, so
> I ended up installing the 'normal' kde (I'm running out of time).  I'd
> rather switch that over to plasma from the beginning.

I found I needed the overlay. It greatly simplifies the dependencies. It 
still isn't perfect, as changes occur during development, but it's definitely 
well worth having.

Here's my current package.keywords:

~kde-frameworks/attica-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/extra-cmake-modules-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kactivities-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/karchive-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kauth-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kbookmarks-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kcmutils-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kcodecs-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kcompletion-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kconfig-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kconfigwidgets-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kcoreaddons-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kcrash-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kdbusaddons-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kdeclarative-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kded-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kdelibs4support-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kdesignerplugin-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kdoctools-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kemoticons-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kglobalaccel-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kguiaddons-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/ki18n-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kiconthemes-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kinit-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kio-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kitemmodels-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kitemviews-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kjobwidgets-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/knewstuff-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/knotifications-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kpackage-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kparts-5.17.0
=kde-frameworks/plasma-5.17.0-r2
~kde-frameworks/kross-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/krunner-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kservice-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/ktextwidgets-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kunitconversion-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kwallet-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kwidgetsaddons-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kwindowsystem-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/kxmlgui-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/solid-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/sonnet-5.17.0
~kde-frameworks/threadweaver-5.17.0

I've no doubt that after the next overlay update I'll have to add or remove 
some things.

Oh, and eix-update of the overlay takes huge lengths of time, so I do it 
less often than on my main system.

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5 stuff and media-libs/mlt conflict

[lee]

Peter Humphrey  writes:

> On Tuesday 05 January 2016 14:34:38 lee wrote:
>> Peter Humphrey  writes:
>> > On Tuesday 05 January 2016 04:26:20 Dale wrote:
>> >> Howdy,
>> >> 
>> >> I was going to try out some of the KDE5 stuff just to see if I'm going
>> >> to like it or not.  Anyway, I added a BUNCH of stuff to a keywords file
>> >> related to KDE and got past that part.  I think I got them all.  Now I
>> > 
>> >> get this:
>> > --->8
>> > 
>> > I was afraid to mess up my KDE4 system with KDE5 in some sort of
>> > parallel
>> > fashion, so I found some spare disk space and installed KDE5 into it,
>> > using the kde overlay and the .../desktop/plasma profile. It's much
>> > easier to
>> How did you manage to install that?  I tried it yesterday (without the
>> overlays) and found it impossible to resolve the dependency problems, so
>> I ended up installing the 'normal' kde (I'm running out of time).  I'd
>> rather switch that over to plasma from the beginning.
>
> I found I needed the overlay. It greatly simplifies the dependencies. It 
> still isn't perfect, as changes occur during development, but it's definitely 
> well worth having.
>
> Here's my current package.keywords:
> [...]
>
> I've no doubt that after the next overlay update I'll have to add or remove 
> some things.

It seemed to me that it's daring to try this because it's a work in
progress, and with the overly, it seemed to be even worse.  So I went
with the "normal" kde when I found out that plasma it doesn't work.
That's already painful to install.  Install on a slow machine, and you
can't even try much simply because it takes too long.

Should I try to upgrade?  That might take another day, which I don't
have ...

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5 stuff and media-libs/mlt conflict

[Neil Bothwick]

On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 22:23:22 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> /etc/portage/package.use/package.use:kde-apps/solid-runtime -bluetooth
> /etc/portage/package.unmask/package.unmask:kde-apps/print-manager

I take it you started to migrate to having /etc/portage/package.* as
directories and then got bored :)


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Better to understand a little than to misunderstand a lot.


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5 stuff and media-libs/mlt conflict

[Alan McKinnon]

On 05/01/2016 19:26, Dale wrote:
> Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 04:26:20 -0600, Dale wrote:
>>
>>> !!! The ebuild selected to satisfy
>>> ">=media-libs/mlt-0.9.8-r1[ffmpeg,kdenlive,melt,qt5,sdl,xml]" has
>>> unmet requirements.
>>> - media-libs/mlt-0.9.8-r2::gentoo USE="ffmpeg frei0r gtk kde kdenlive
>>> melt opengl python qt5 sdl xml -compressed-lumas -debug -fftw -jack
>>> -libav -libsamplerate -lua -qt4 -rtaudio (-ruby) -vdpau -xine"
>>> ABI_X86="64" CPU_FLAGS_X86="mmx sse sse2" PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7"
>>>
>>>   The following REQUIRED_USE flag constraints are unsatisfied:
>>> kde? ( qt4 )
>> This says that if you have the kde flag enabled, you also need qt4.
>>
>>>   The above constraints are a subset of the following complete
>>> expression: python? ( python_targets_python2_7 ) qt5? ( !qt4 ) kde?
>>> ( qt4 )
>> This says you can't have qt5 and qt4 plus the above about kde.
>>
>> It looks like the qt5 and kde USE flags are incompatible. Try with
>> USE="-kde".
>>
>> Also, I have the -r2 ebuild in my portage tree but not -r1, so I suggest
>> you sync before trying anything else.
>>
>>
> 
> 
> I sort of thought about it that way but it didn't make sense.  How can I
> have KDE and not a kde USE flag was my thinking.  After reading your
> post, I found out it likes the profile set to plasma, currently #8 on
> the list, instead of kde.  Changing the profile got rid of this error
> and seems to have changed a few other things too.  All I'm looking at
> now is a hard block on kde-apps/kde4-l10n-15.08.0-r1.  I will sync again
> before actually starting the build. 

set USE=minimal for kde4-l10n. Set it individually for packages that
need it, not globally

Without it, there will be file collisions with the equivalent KDE5
packages. USE=minimal doesn't install those files leaving only those
needed for remaining kde4 apps to still work.

Anytime you have a blocker between similar kde4 and kde5 packages, try
set USE=minimal for the kde4 versions. Most times, that fixes it.

> 
> So, we have to change the profile setting to get to KDE5 as well. 
> Interesting. 

The profile sets a bunch of stuff that are pretty much required for KDE5
and Qt5, and most of it relates to plasma. It's either that or do a
bunch of icky stuff by hand
> 
> Thanks.  You got me closer.  I'm doing all this in a separate file so
> that I can revert easily too.  Since I have buildpkg set, it wouldn't
> take long to undo.
> 
> Thanks much.
> 
> Dale
> 
> 


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5 stuff and media-libs/mlt conflict

[Alan McKinnon]

On 05/01/2016 22:57, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 22:23:22 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> 
>> /etc/portage/package.use/package.use:kde-apps/solid-runtime -bluetooth
>> /etc/portage/package.unmask/package.unmask:kde-apps/print-manager
> 
> I take it you started to migrate to having /etc/portage/package.* as
> directories and then got bored :)
> 
> 


Something like that. package.*/package.* is for permanent stuff.
If I use a separate file it's just temporary and for testing

-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5 stuff and media-libs/mlt conflict

[Alan McKinnon]

On 05/01/2016 21:55, Dale wrote:
> Dale wrote:
>> Howdy,
>>
>> I was going to try out some of the KDE5 stuff just to see if I'm going
>> to like it or not.  Anyway, I added a BUNCH of stuff to a keywords file
>> related to KDE and got past that part.  I think I got them all.  Now I
>> get this:
>>
>>
>> <<<  SNIP >>>
>>
>> OK Alan and Neil.  Whip out your decoder ring.  What is this thing
>> trying to tell me.  lol
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-) 
>>
>>
> 
> 
> OK.  After fixing one thing, I run into something else.  I removed the
> blocker yet it still complains about the blocker, even tho it is
> removed, and adds another if I read it right..  It seems that maybe this
> is going to take more time than I am willing to give it right now. 
> Maybe later on when the kinks get worked out I'll give it another shot. 
> Right now, it's just not worth all the effort and time to mess with it. 
> 
> Thanks to all. 
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 
> 

This works for me. I don't use the KDE overlay, just what's in the
regular tree. Apps appear and upgrade to KDE5 as the devs migrate them.

I found that the overlay left me with quite a few apps that don't work
with Qt5 so I'd have to jump through hoops to get the Qt4 version from
the tree to install. With the tree it's a case of what works with KDE5
is installed, everything else remains KDE4

# grep -r kde /etc/portage/
/etc/portage/make.conf: kde
/etc/portage/package.use/package.use:kde-plasma/kde-gtk-config gtk3
/etc/portage/package.use/package.use:kde-plasma/plasma-desktop touchpad
/etc/portage/package.use/package.use:kde-plasma/plasma-meta mediacenter
/etc/portage/package.use/package.use:media-libs/mlt kdenlive -kde melt
/etc/portage/package.use/package.use:kde-apps/kde-wallpapers minimal
/etc/portage/package.use/package.use:kde-apps/kde4-l10n minimal
/etc/portage/package.use/package.use:kde-apps/kdeartwork-meta minimal
/etc/portage/package.use/package.use:=kde-apps/kdebase-kioslaves-4* minimal
/etc/portage/package.use/package.use:kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta minimal
/etc/portage/package.use/package.use:=kde-apps/konsole-4* minimal
/etc/portage/package.use/package.use:=kde-apps/kwalletmanager-4* minimal
/etc/portage/package.use/package.use:=kde-base/baloo-4* minimal
/etc/portage/package.use/package.use:=kde-base/kactivities-4* minimal
/etc/portage/package.use/package.use:kde-apps/kdesu -handbook
/etc/portage/package.use/package.use:kde-apps/knetattach -handbook
/etc/portage/package.use/package.use:kde-plasma/plasma-desktop gtk2 gtk3
qt4 legacy-systray
runtime-meta-4.14.3
/etc/portage/package.use/package.use:kde-apps/solid-runtime -bluetooth
/etc/portage/package.unmask/package.unmask:kde-apps/print-manager


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5 stuff and media-libs/mlt conflict

[Neil Bothwick]

On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 04:26:20 -0600, Dale wrote:

> !!! The ebuild selected to satisfy
> ">=media-libs/mlt-0.9.8-r1[ffmpeg,kdenlive,melt,qt5,sdl,xml]" has
> unmet requirements.
> - media-libs/mlt-0.9.8-r2::gentoo USE="ffmpeg frei0r gtk kde kdenlive
> melt opengl python qt5 sdl xml -compressed-lumas -debug -fftw -jack
> -libav -libsamplerate -lua -qt4 -rtaudio (-ruby) -vdpau -xine"
> ABI_X86="64" CPU_FLAGS_X86="mmx sse sse2" PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7"
> 
>   The following REQUIRED_USE flag constraints are unsatisfied:
> kde? ( qt4 )

This says that if you have the kde flag enabled, you also need qt4.

>   The above constraints are a subset of the following complete
> expression: python? ( python_targets_python2_7 ) qt5? ( !qt4 ) kde?
> ( qt4 )

This says you can't have qt5 and qt4 plus the above about kde.

It looks like the qt5 and kde USE flags are incompatible. Try with
USE="-kde".

Also, I have the -r2 ebuild in my portage tree but not -r1, so I suggest
you sync before trying anything else.


-- 
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Always remember to pillage before you burn.


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5 stuff and media-libs/mlt conflict

[Peter Humphrey]

On Tuesday 05 January 2016 04:26:20 Dale wrote:
> Howdy,
> 
> I was going to try out some of the KDE5 stuff just to see if I'm going
> to like it or not.  Anyway, I added a BUNCH of stuff to a keywords file
> related to KDE and got past that part.  I think I got them all.  Now I
> get this:

--->8

I was afraid to mess up my KDE4 system with KDE5 in some sort of parallel 
fashion, so I found some spare disk space and installed KDE5 into it, using 
the kde overlay and the .../desktop/plasma profile. It's much easier to 
manage the two systems separately (dual-boot), and there's far less risk of 
running, say, two versions of KMail on the same data [1]. I have all my 
usual user's stuff in ~/common, a separate partition that's mounted on 
whichever home partition is in use.

There was a helpful web page somewhere too but I can't find it now - sorry 
Dale.

1. I'm not saying the versions of KMail do differ, but they may later during 
development of KDE5.

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Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5 stuff and media-libs/mlt conflict

[Dale]

Dale wrote:
> Howdy,
>
> I was going to try out some of the KDE5 stuff just to see if I'm going
> to like it or not.  Anyway, I added a BUNCH of stuff to a keywords file
> related to KDE and got past that part.  I think I got them all.  Now I
> get this:
>
>
> <<<  SNIP >>>
>
> OK Alan and Neil.  Whip out your decoder ring.  What is this thing
> trying to tell me.  lol
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-) 
>
>


OK.  After fixing one thing, I run into something else.  I removed the
blocker yet it still complains about the blocker, even tho it is
removed, and adds another if I read it right..  It seems that maybe this
is going to take more time than I am willing to give it right now. 
Maybe later on when the kinks get worked out I'll give it another shot. 
Right now, it's just not worth all the effort and time to mess with it. 

Thanks to all. 

Dale

:-)  :-)