Re: [gentoo-user] Network manager for laptop
At Tue, 06 May 2008 13:48:46 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 01:42 -0300, Daniel da Veiga wrote: On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:12 PM, deface [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipped the frustration been there, done that ... and gave up. Write your own scripts and shortcut the frustration. Keep a directory with a subdirectory for each site. Have all config files needed properly configured and stored there. Lastly, a simple script just copies in the required files over the top of the last lot and restarts the services. I have a desktop icon and a GUI (using gtkdialog) so I can easily select the correct site. Ive tried a few like network manager, and also tried to get gentoo's networking to do it semi-automaticly to help, but all I ended up with was a frustratingly fragile mess. I have a laptop too, and I always found that the gentoo networking scripts where fully sufficient for keeeping me on-line. Okay, the wireless is a bit flaky, but only when connecting. Note: I do not use network manager. What exactly are your problems? Regards, Jan Seeger -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Network manager for laptop
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 3:51 AM, Jan Seeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At Tue, 06 May 2008 13:48:46 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 01:42 -0300, Daniel da Veiga wrote: On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:12 PM, deface [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipped the frustration been there, done that ... and gave up. Write your own scripts and shortcut the frustration. Keep a directory with a subdirectory for each site. Have all config files needed properly configured and stored there. Lastly, a simple script just copies in the required files over the top of the last lot and restarts the services. I have a desktop icon and a GUI (using gtkdialog) so I can easily select the correct site. Ive tried a few like network manager, and also tried to get gentoo's networking to do it semi-automaticly to help, but all I ended up with was a frustratingly fragile mess. I have a laptop too, and I always found that the gentoo networking scripts where fully sufficient for keeeping me on-line. Okay, the wireless is a bit flaky, but only when connecting. Note: I do not use network manager. What exactly are your problems? Gentoo networking configuration is OK. It works for the most part, but you just need something were you can quickly type a password for a protected WPA network and it connects. Yes, you CAN edit the files by hand and provide the information, but that just makes your net configuration file a mess. I ended up with a pretty mess of over a dozen networks, most of them I used only once. I'm all for the console and editing configuration files, but a laptop or notebook is meant to be a fast tool to be connected everywhere, isnt it? Right now I'm switching to XFCE and I'll try more stuff, like pynetworkmanager... -- Daniel da Veiga -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Network manager for laptop
At Tue, 6 May 2008 12:42:15 -0300, Daniel da Veiga wrote: snip, snip Gentoo networking configuration is OK. It works for the most part, but you just need something were you can quickly type a password for a protected WPA network and it connects. Yes, you CAN edit the files by hand and provide the information, but that just makes your net configuration file a mess. I ended up with a pretty mess of over a dozen networks, most of them I used only once. I'm all for the console and editing configuration files, but a laptop or notebook is meant to be a fast tool to be connected everywhere, isnt it? Yeah, that's true. I still bite the bullet and edit wpa_supplicant.conf by hand. Add it once, and from then on, it works pretty automatically. However, when you connect to a *lot* of networks, I can imagine that this quickly gets ugly. Maybe write a script which uses something like sqlite to store your configuration? Alternatively, use the emacs outline mode to fold the lines^^ Regards, Jan -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Network manager for laptop
On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:09 PM, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel da Veiga ha scritto: On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 9:49 PM, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel da Veiga ha scritto: Nah, I guess its something related to my card (and driver) and wpa_supplicant. You told that wicd somehow works better. Seems more related to NetworkManager, then... You can say so, but WICD and NetworkManager are completely different programs, they both call wpa_supplicant, but in completely different ways, as far as I can see. NM tries to use DBUS to talk to supplicant, while WICD launches supplicant directly, by pointing it to a generated config file. But yes, I suppose NM is broken in the sense it can't talk to wpa_supplicant on my laptop. I know almost nothing about dbus, but have you checked that dbus works for other programs? I tested it with other apps, logging stuff and all. All parts working, including wpa_supplicant, iwconfig and dhclient. All stuff that should make NM magic happes, but still nothing. They all work OK, as manually I can connect to each and every wireless I tried (WPA, WEP, open). -- Daniel da Veiga -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Network manager for laptop
Daniel da Veiga wrote: I've been struggling with network managing in my laptop for some time now. There's no decent way to keep it on config files. I connect to a LOT of completely different wired and wireless networks. I'm using Gnome, but I have all KDE libraries as dependencies for some stuff. The machine is an Asus EEE 701 with an Atheros card. I'm using ndiswrapper trying to avoid patching the madwifi drivers, waiting for the official commit. My first try was NetworkManager, beautiful tool, allowed me to manage my wired and open wireless connections fine, but once I need WPA for wireless at the University, it failed on me. It seems it can't talk to wpa_supplicant the right way. One possible fix would be downgrade to version 0.5.4 of wpa_supplicant, but its not in portage anymore, so I quit. Next I tried some gtk stuff, scripting stuff, gosh, so many. End up with WICD, wich for the most part works fine. I didn't have the time to check why the heck it tries to connect to None more often then it tries with the SSID Im telling it to (maybe some configuration file lost in the way), but anyway, change driver from ndiswrapper or wext and it eventually works. What are you guys using? Im accepting suggestions! I haven't read the rest of the replies, but have you tried going UP, and not DOWN? meaning a CVS version of NM? This is a beautiful application, which has filled many much needed holes in the world of linux and wireless. NM is under rapid development and many changes are commited. (if you've gone up, sorry .. like i said; haven't read the rest of the replies on this one.) deface -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Network manager for laptop
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:12 PM, deface [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel da Veiga wrote: I've been struggling with network managing in my laptop for some time now. There's no decent way to keep it on config files. I connect to a LOT of completely different wired and wireless networks. I'm using Gnome, but I have all KDE libraries as dependencies for some stuff. The machine is an Asus EEE 701 with an Atheros card. I'm using ndiswrapper trying to avoid patching the madwifi drivers, waiting for the official commit. My first try was NetworkManager, beautiful tool, allowed me to manage my wired and open wireless connections fine, but once I need WPA for wireless at the University, it failed on me. It seems it can't talk to wpa_supplicant the right way. One possible fix would be downgrade to version 0.5.4 of wpa_supplicant, but its not in portage anymore, so I quit. Next I tried some gtk stuff, scripting stuff, gosh, so many. End up with WICD, wich for the most part works fine. I didn't have the time to check why the heck it tries to connect to None more often then it tries with the SSID Im telling it to (maybe some configuration file lost in the way), but anyway, change driver from ndiswrapper or wext and it eventually works. What are you guys using? Im accepting suggestions! I haven't read the rest of the replies, but have you tried going UP, and not DOWN? meaning a CVS version of NM? This is a beautiful application, which has filled many much needed holes in the world of linux and wireless. NM is under rapid development and many changes are commited. (if you've gone up, sorry .. like i said; haven't read the rest of the replies on this one.) I have run both stable and testing versions on portage. I even tried compiling from source, and that failed, can't recall the reason. I'm still looking for a stable network manager app. I'm currently switching from Gnome to XFCE, so I'm gonna try some other apps, like pynetworkmanager... -- Daniel da Veiga -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Network manager for laptop
On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 01:42 -0300, Daniel da Veiga wrote: On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:12 PM, deface [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel da Veiga wrote: I've been struggling with network managing in my laptop for some time now. There's no decent way to keep it on config files. I connect to a LOT of completely different wired and wireless networks. been there, done that ... and gave up. Write your own scripts and shortcut the frustration. Keep a directory with a subdirectory for each site. Have all config files needed properly configured and stored there. Lastly, a simple script just copies in the required files over the top of the last lot and restarts the services. I have a desktop icon and a GUI (using gtkdialog) so I can easily select the correct site. Ive tried a few like network manager, and also tried to get gentoo's networking to do it semi-automaticly to help, but all I ended up with was a frustratingly fragile mess. At least now it works reliably, and saves me lots of time as well. BillK -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Network manager for laptop
Daniel da Veiga ha scritto: On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 9:49 PM, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel da Veiga ha scritto: Nah, I guess its something related to my card (and driver) and wpa_supplicant. You told that wicd somehow works better. Seems more related to NetworkManager, then... You can say so, but WICD and NetworkManager are completely different programs, they both call wpa_supplicant, but in completely different ways, as far as I can see. NM tries to use DBUS to talk to supplicant, while WICD launches supplicant directly, by pointing it to a generated config file. But yes, I suppose NM is broken in the sense it can't talk to wpa_supplicant on my laptop. I know almost nothing about dbus, but have you checked that dbus works for other programs? m. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Network manager for laptop
I've been struggling with network managing in my laptop for some time now. There's no decent way to keep it on config files. I connect to a LOT of completely different wired and wireless networks. I'm using Gnome, but I have all KDE libraries as dependencies for some stuff. The machine is an Asus EEE 701 with an Atheros card. I'm using ndiswrapper trying to avoid patching the madwifi drivers, waiting for the official commit. My first try was NetworkManager, beautiful tool, allowed me to manage my wired and open wireless connections fine, but once I need WPA for wireless at the University, it failed on me. It seems it can't talk to wpa_supplicant the right way. One possible fix would be downgrade to version 0.5.4 of wpa_supplicant, but its not in portage anymore, so I quit. Next I tried some gtk stuff, scripting stuff, gosh, so many. End up with WICD, wich for the most part works fine. I didn't have the time to check why the heck it tries to connect to None more often then it tries with the SSID Im telling it to (maybe some configuration file lost in the way), but anyway, change driver from ndiswrapper or wext and it eventually works. What are you guys using? Im accepting suggestions! -- Daniel da Veiga -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Network manager for laptop
On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 11:41 -0300, Daniel da Veiga wrote: I've been struggling with network managing in my laptop for some time now. There's no decent way to keep it on config files. I connect to a LOT of completely different wired and wireless networks. I'm using Gnome, but I have all KDE libraries as dependencies for some stuff. The machine is an Asus EEE 701 with an Atheros card. I'm using ndiswrapper trying to avoid patching the madwifi drivers, waiting for the official commit. My first try was NetworkManager, beautiful tool, allowed me to manage my wired and open wireless connections fine, but once I need WPA for wireless at the University, it failed on me. It seems it can't talk to wpa_supplicant the right way. One possible fix would be downgrade to version 0.5.4 of wpa_supplicant, but its not in portage anymore, so I quit. Where does it say that the NetworkManager needs a downgraded version of wpa_supplicant? The reason that I ask is that I use NetworkManager on my laptop and it's been great.. except for at work where we use Enterprise WPA or whatever it's called. I haven't been able to log in, but a workmate of mine installed a fresh copy of Hardy Heron and it worked the first time. I haven't really had the time/interest to figure out why it wasn't working on my Gentoo laptop. Thanks, -a -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Network manager for laptop
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Albert Hopkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 11:41 -0300, Daniel da Veiga wrote: I've been struggling with network managing in my laptop for some time now. There's no decent way to keep it on config files. I connect to a LOT of completely different wired and wireless networks. I'm using Gnome, but I have all KDE libraries as dependencies for some stuff. The machine is an Asus EEE 701 with an Atheros card. I'm using ndiswrapper trying to avoid patching the madwifi drivers, waiting for the official commit. My first try was NetworkManager, beautiful tool, allowed me to manage my wired and open wireless connections fine, but once I need WPA for wireless at the University, it failed on me. It seems it can't talk to wpa_supplicant the right way. One possible fix would be downgrade to version 0.5.4 of wpa_supplicant, but its not in portage anymore, so I quit. Where does it say that the NetworkManager needs a downgraded version of wpa_supplicant? The reason that I ask is that I use NetworkManager on my laptop and it's been great.. except for at work where we use Enterprise WPA or whatever it's called. I haven't been able to log in, but a workmate of mine installed a fresh copy of Hardy Heron and it worked the first time. I haven't really had the time/interest to figure out why it wasn't working on my Gentoo laptop. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-wireless-networking-41/ath0wireless-couldnt-connect-to-the-supplicant.-511815/ But again, its one of the MANY threads, posts and questions about NetworkManager and WPA around the web. The fact is, I found many people with this problem, tried all their solutions but still no game. I get the infamous couldn't connect to the supplicant syslog error. Believe me, I spent a LOT of time trying to figure this out... WICD had the None problem (must have something to do with the 00:00:00:00:00 failed authentication in wpa_supplicant (wich is something I must research too), that makes it annoying, but not impossible to use it. Any more suggestions? -- Daniel da Veiga -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Network manager for laptop
Daniel da Veiga ha scritto: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-wireless-networking-41/ath0wireless-couldnt-connect-to-the-supplicant.-511815/ But again, its one of the MANY threads, posts and questions about NetworkManager and WPA around the web. The fact is, I found many people with this problem, tried all their solutions but still no game. I get the infamous couldn't connect to the supplicant syslog error. Believe me, I spent a LOT of time trying to figure this out... WICD had the None problem (must have something to do with the 00:00:00:00:00 failed authentication in wpa_supplicant (wich is something I must research too), that makes it annoying, but not impossible to use it. Any more suggestions? I have a Macbook Pro laptop with Gentoo, with WPA working fine with NetworkManager (Madwifi drivers). I now do not have time to check the full configs. However I remember that mixing wpa_supplicant configuration and NetworkManager was BAD. I kept a very confused diary of my Macbook Gentoo install, the relevant part is: ok, found problem. using the conf.d/net and wpa_supplicant.conf WITH NetworkManager is just problems. so I am trying to use only NetworkManager. ...and it's what I'm currently doing. I guess NetworkManager takes care of wpa_supplicant. Then, madwifi drivers for that card are a bit flaky, but that's another story... Tell me what info you need, I may try to help you. m. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Network manager for laptop
Well, I tried downgrading to version 0.5.4 of wpa_supplicant but it didn't help with the situation. The error logs show a time-out communicating with the AP. -a -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Network manager for laptop
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 4:22 PM, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel da Veiga ha scritto: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-wireless-networking-41/ath0wireless-couldnt-connect-to-the-supplicant.-511815/ But again, its one of the MANY threads, posts and questions about NetworkManager and WPA around the web. The fact is, I found many people with this problem, tried all their solutions but still no game. I get the infamous couldn't connect to the supplicant syslog error. Believe me, I spent a LOT of time trying to figure this out... WICD had the None problem (must have something to do with the 00:00:00:00:00 failed authentication in wpa_supplicant (wich is something I must research too), that makes it annoying, but not impossible to use it. Any more suggestions? I have a Macbook Pro laptop with Gentoo, with WPA working fine with NetworkManager (Madwifi drivers). I now do not have time to check the full configs. However I remember that mixing wpa_supplicant configuration and NetworkManager was BAD. I kept a very confused diary of my Macbook Gentoo install, the relevant part is: ok, found problem. using the conf.d/net and wpa_supplicant.conf WITH NetworkManager is just problems. so I am trying to use only NetworkManager. ...and it's what I'm currently doing. I guess NetworkManager takes care of wpa_supplicant. Then, madwifi drivers for that card are a bit flaky, but that's another story... Tell me what info you need, I may try to help you. I'll try removing the config for the whole thing and see how it works, but NetworkManager has problems launching wpa_supplicant (or controlling it at least) using DBUS, and that has not been solved yet, so I won't bet on it. I'm not with my EEE right now, so, as soon as I get home... All I need is to know if you can actually use WPA, store the keys, reboot, and try again, with the same SSID, it fails for me all the time. (and var log messages says couldn't connect to the supplicant). -- Daniel da Veiga -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Network manager for laptop
Daniel da Veiga ha scritto: I'll try removing the config for the whole thing and see how it works, but NetworkManager has problems launching wpa_supplicant (or controlling it at least) using DBUS, and that has not been solved yet, so I won't bet on it. I'm not with my EEE right now, so, as soon as I get home... What happens? what error messages? All I need is to know if you can actually use WPA, store the keys, reboot, and try again, with the same SSID, it fails for me all the time. (and var log messages says couldn't connect to the supplicant). I think yes, since I use it everyday with my WPA router at home. I must confess that I didn't experience such difficulties. Hope it's not a new bug waiting to bite me... m. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Network manager for laptop
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 6:48 PM, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel da Veiga ha scritto: I'll try removing the config for the whole thing and see how it works, but NetworkManager has problems launching wpa_supplicant (or controlling it at least) using DBUS, and that has not been solved yet, so I won't bet on it. I'm not with my EEE right now, so, as soon as I get home... What happens? what error messages? Nothing happens, when I try connecting, it asks for my key, I submit it, and then it dies. /var/log/messages says Couldn't connect to the supplicant. It appears to be a error regarding wpa_supplicant and DBUS. All I need is to know if you can actually use WPA, store the keys, reboot, and try again, with the same SSID, it fails for me all the time. (and var log messages says couldn't connect to the supplicant). I think yes, since I use it everyday with my WPA router at home. I must confess that I didn't experience such difficulties. Hope it's not a new bug waiting to bite me... Nah, I guess its something related to my card (and driver) and wpa_supplicant. -- Daniel da Veiga -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Network manager for laptop
Daniel da Veiga ha scritto: Nah, I guess its something related to my card (and driver) and wpa_supplicant. You told that wicd somehow works better. Seems more related to NetworkManager, then... m. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Network manager for laptop
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 9:49 PM, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel da Veiga ha scritto: Nah, I guess its something related to my card (and driver) and wpa_supplicant. You told that wicd somehow works better. Seems more related to NetworkManager, then... You can say so, but WICD and NetworkManager are completely different programs, they both call wpa_supplicant, but in completely different ways, as far as I can see. NM tries to use DBUS to talk to supplicant, while WICD launches supplicant directly, by pointing it to a generated config file. But yes, I suppose NM is broken in the sense it can't talk to wpa_supplicant on my laptop. -- Daniel da Veiga -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
