Re: [gentoo-user] New install - Wayland and graphical login
On 03/07/2021 12:00, Tamer Higazi wrote: Hi Wol, If I am you, I would install "mate" desktop, which is basicly gnome2 and gnome transition to wayland is as much as I know completed. XFCE is a bit behind, that takes a time ... My make.conf contains "-gtk -gnome". I have ABSOLUTELY NO plans to change that, sorry ... Oh - and if "startplasma-wayland" won't run, I'm sure "startgnome-wayland" won't, either ... :-) But this has taught me a lot. Which was the whole point of the exercise :-) I now have a much better understanding of how systemd and wayland work. Cheers, Wol
Re: [gentoo-user] New install - Wayland and graphical login
Hi Wol, If I am you, I would install "mate" desktop, which is basicly gnome2 and gnome transition to wayland is as much as I know completed. XFCE is a bit behind, that takes a time ... https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/MATE What I figured out, that this is not the very only thing to have wayland supported. When it comes to screensharing and propper bluetooth integration there is a fast moving project called "pipewire". I have replaced pulseaudio with pipewire on my gentoo machine and teams work smooth as well bluetooth with AptX HD. url: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/PipeWire what this article doesn't cover is to setup the "module policy section"... Here you sould change in /etc/default/pulse: load-module module-bluetooth-policy to |load-module module-bluetooth-policy auto_switch=2| That makes it possible to automaticly switch the codec automaticly when "mic" is needed. (as windows does) || |I am happy :-)| | | |best, Tamer | Am 21 Jun 2021 um 18:27 schrieb Wols Lists: What happens when you get to the end of the handbook? I want to get a working Wayland setup with a (multi-user) graphical login. When I set my old system up ($DEITY knows how long ago) I seem to remember a page on setting up X, and all sorts of stuff. Now, you seem to get dumped at working tty1 prompt, and then the *helpful* documentation JUST STOPS. It doesn't even point you at anything! (Yes it points you at the portage page about how to maintain your system, but that isn't much use if you can't DO anything with the system...) I've found the page on Wayland, but it just says "set this use flag and install two packages". Where's the documentation that tells me what I need, and how to set it up, please ... Cheers, Wol
Re: [gentoo-user] New install - Wayland and graphical login
On 26/06/2021 13:00, Michael wrote: On Saturday, 26 June 2021 11:50:01 BST antlists wrote: I just want a working systemd/wayland desktop system. So basically, a full-weight normal desktop. [snip ...] I've got this one selected, /desktop/plasma/systemd Select default/linux/amd64/17.1/desktop/plasma/systemd (stable). Then update @world. You should be good to go as long as video drivers and firmware are in place, but if X11 is not working this could be an area meriting further investigation. Okay, ... One new kernel later (along with some grub debugging :-), world updated, ... X11 still isn't working - first it complained it couldn't find twm, so I emerged that, now startx just runs and exits, and the log doesn't seem to show anything wrong ... Wayland is interesting ... if I try to startplasma-wayland, it comes up with the starting plasma stuff, and there's a mouse cursor, but nothing except a black screen and the cursor. When I kill it from a root tty, there's an error Failed to create wl_display (No such file or directory) which a google tells me I haven't got a compositor ... I also get further errors, but they're probably a consequence - Could not load the Qt platform plugin "Wayland" in "" even though it was found and the same error for xcb. Cheers, Wol
Re: [gentoo-user] New install - Wayland and graphical login
On 27/06/2021 16:14, Jack wrote: I noticed that one post mentioned /dev/card1 and the other talked about /dev/dri/card0. If the former was not a typo omitting /dri/ then that might be something to check out. The former was a what I remembered ... quite possibly wrong ... :-) Cheers, Wol
Re: [gentoo-user] New install - Wayland and graphical login
I noticed that one post mentioned /dev/card1 and the other talked about /dev/dri/card0. If the former was not a typo omitting /dri/ then that might be something to check out.
Re: [gentoo-user] New install - Wayland and graphical login
On Sunday, 27 June 2021 12:52:39 BST antlists wrote: > On 27/06/2021 11:36, Michael wrote: > > You're meant to be running X11 as a non-root user. > > And if the only user on the system is root, which I'm logged in as :-) Then create a plain non-root user account and login as such. > >> As I said earlier, X currently won't run. I've got a Asus EAH4350, and > >> am loading the Radeon driver. > > > > I am not familiar with the model and any APU/graphics options it may be > > furnished with. You have not shared what the video card might be. > > Well, "Asus EAH4350" is what it says on the box. > > > A quick > > search on the interwebs mention an AMD R700 family, HD4350 card. > > According > > > to: > So I guess Asus have rebadged the 4350 chipset, and those drivers should > work. I don't know if this is so and what might be in the box. Only you can determine this, definitively, if you follow the guide in the wiki URL below: > > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Radeon > > > > such a card requires in your make.conf: > > > > VIDEO_CARDS="radeon r600" > > > > emerge 'sys-kernel/linux-firmware' and in your kernel specify the > > following > > firmware: > > > > radeon/R600_rlc.bin radeon/RS780_uvd.bin radeon/RS780_pfp.bin radeon/ > > RS780_me.bin > > Thanks. I'll add all that stuff ... Best you establish first what video hardware is available in this PC, as per the wiki page I posted above, then add the correct corresponding firmware and drivers, before you rebuild your kernel, update @world and reboot. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] New install - Wayland and graphical login
On 27/06/2021 11:36, Michael wrote: On Sunday, 27 June 2021 10:05:59 BST Wols Lists wrote: On 21/06/21 16:17, Michael wrote: Have you tried using a Display Manager? Some of my systems won't work with Wayland, but I haven't spent time to find out why all I get with them is a black screen. Anyway, from a VT you'd run something like: XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session startplasma-wayland Okay, we're slowly moving forward ... My first attempt got the error "kwin-plasma won't run as root" or somesuch. Created a new user for me, and promptly got a black screen! You're meant to be running X11 as a non-root user. And if the only user on the system is root, which I'm logged in as :-) As I said earlier, X currently won't run. I've got a Asus EAH4350, and am loading the Radeon driver. I am not familiar with the model and any APU/graphics options it may be furnished with. You have not shared what the video card might be. Well, "Asus EAH4350" is what it says on the box. A quick search on the interwebs mention an AMD R700 family, HD4350 card. According to: So I guess Asus have rebadged the 4350 chipset, and those drivers should work. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Radeon such a card requires in your make.conf: VIDEO_CARDS="radeon r600" emerge 'sys-kernel/linux-firmware' and in your kernel specify the following firmware: radeon/R600_rlc.bin radeon/RS780_uvd.bin radeon/RS780_pfp.bin radeon/ RS780_me.bin Thanks. I'll add all that stuff ... When I looked at the X log it was clearly loading the driver, which failed with something like "cannot find /dev/card1". If that gives anyone any clues where to point me that's great, or I'll transfer the logs to this machine and post them. Cheers, Wol dmesg will show if there is any problem with the kernel missing modules, or having problems loading firmware; /var/log/Xorg.0.log will show what problems X11 comes up with when it tries to launch. Normally /dev/dri/card0 is the first card being loaded: $ grep -i card /var/log/Xorg.0.log [37.111] (II) xfree86: Adding drm device (/dev/dri/card0) [37.148] (II) xfree86: Adding drm device (/dev/dri/card1) [38.366] (II) Applying OutputClass "Radeon" to /dev/dri/card0 [38.367] (II) Applying OutputClass "Radeon" to /dev/dri/card1 Thank you very much. Let's see whether that fixes the problem with Wayland, too. I found an interesting blog by ?Michael Graesslin on fixing the "black screen in Wayland" problem, but a lot of it dates from 2016. If Wayland doesn't fix itself, I'll work my way through that, but it looks like there's a LOT of things that can go wrong and cause problems... Cheers, Wol
Re: [gentoo-user] New install - Wayland and graphical login
On Sunday, 27 June 2021 10:05:59 BST Wols Lists wrote: > On 21/06/21 16:17, Michael wrote: > > Have you tried using a Display Manager? Some of my systems won't work > > with > > Wayland, but I haven't spent time to find out why all I get with them is a > > black screen. > > > > Anyway, from a VT you'd run something like: > > > > XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session startplasma-wayland > > Okay, we're slowly moving forward ... > > My first attempt got the error "kwin-plasma won't run as root" or > somesuch. Created a new user for me, and promptly got a black screen! You're meant to be running X11 as a non-root user. > As I said earlier, X currently won't run. I've got a Asus EAH4350, and > am loading the Radeon driver. I am not familiar with the model and any APU/graphics options it may be furnished with. You have not shared what the video card might be. A quick search on the interwebs mention an AMD R700 family, HD4350 card. According to: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Radeon such a card requires in your make.conf: VIDEO_CARDS="radeon r600" emerge 'sys-kernel/linux-firmware' and in your kernel specify the following firmware: radeon/R600_rlc.bin radeon/RS780_uvd.bin radeon/RS780_pfp.bin radeon/ RS780_me.bin > When I looked at the X log it was clearly > loading the driver, which failed with something like "cannot find > /dev/card1". If that gives anyone any clues where to point me that's > great, or I'll transfer the logs to this machine and post them. > > Cheers, > Wol dmesg will show if there is any problem with the kernel missing modules, or having problems loading firmware; /var/log/Xorg.0.log will show what problems X11 comes up with when it tries to launch. Normally /dev/dri/card0 is the first card being loaded: $ grep -i card /var/log/Xorg.0.log [37.111] (II) xfree86: Adding drm device (/dev/dri/card0) [37.148] (II) xfree86: Adding drm device (/dev/dri/card1) [38.366] (II) Applying OutputClass "Radeon" to /dev/dri/card0 [38.367] (II) Applying OutputClass "Radeon" to /dev/dri/card1 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] New install - Wayland and graphical login
On 21/06/21 16:17, Michael wrote: > Have you tried using a Display Manager? Some of my systems won't work with > Wayland, but I haven't spent time to find out why all I get with them is a > black screen. > > Anyway, from a VT you'd run something like: > > XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session startplasma-wayland Okay, we're slowly moving forward ... My first attempt got the error "kwin-plasma won't run as root" or somesuch. Created a new user for me, and promptly got a black screen! As I said earlier, X currently won't run. I've got a Asus EAH4350, and am loading the Radeon driver. When I looked at the X log it was clearly loading the driver, which failed with something like "cannot find /dev/card1". If that gives anyone any clues where to point me that's great, or I'll transfer the logs to this machine and post them. Cheers, Wol
Re: [gentoo-user] New install - Wayland and graphical login
On Saturday, 26 June 2021 11:50:01 BST antlists wrote: > I just want a working systemd/wayland desktop system. So basically, a > full-weight normal desktop. [snip ...] > I've got this one selected, /desktop/plasma/systemd Select default/linux/amd64/17.1/desktop/plasma/systemd (stable). Then update @world. You should be good to go as long as video drivers and firmware are in place, but if X11 is not working this could be an area meriting further investigation. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] New install - Wayland and graphical login
On 26/06/2021 10:28, Michael wrote: On Saturday, 26 June 2021 08:19:24 BST Wols Lists wrote: On 26/06/21 00:51, Michael wrote: Given your error, you appear to not have installed the requisite packages for the Plasma/KDE. It should have been installed as a dependency of plasma-workspace: Ah. Another piece of missing information ... I'll try that. I would have thought that would have been pulled in seeing as I've got wayland and qt use flags etc $ qfile startplasma-wayland kde-plasma/plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/startplasma-wayland I am not clear on your particular use case(s). Plasma desktop is usually installed by setting the appropriate make.profile: I just want a working systemd/wayland desktop system. So basically, a full-weight normal desktop. $ eselect profile list Available profile symlink targets: [1] default/linux/amd64/17.1 (stable) [2] default/linux/amd64/17.1/selinux (stable) [3] default/linux/amd64/17.1/hardened (stable) [4] default/linux/amd64/17.1/hardened/selinux (stable) [5] default/linux/amd64/17.1/desktop (stable) [6] default/linux/amd64/17.1/desktop/gnome (stable) [7] default/linux/amd64/17.1/desktop/gnome/systemd (stable) [8] default/linux/amd64/17.1/desktop/plasma (stable) * [9] default/linux/amd64/17.1/desktop/plasma/systemd (stable) I've got this one selected, /desktop/plasma/systemd [10] default/linux/amd64/17.1/desktop/systemd (stable) [11] default/linux/amd64/17.1/developer (stable) [12] default/linux/amd64/17.1/no-multilib (stable) [13] default/linux/amd64/17.1/no-multilib/hardened (stable) [14] default/linux/amd64/17.1/no-multilib/hardened/selinux (stable) [15] default/linux/amd64/17.1/systemd (stable) [16] default/linux/amd64/17.0 (dev) [17] default/linux/amd64/17.0/selinux (dev) [18] default/linux/amd64/17.0/hardened (dev) [19] default/linux/amd64/17.0/hardened/selinux (dev) [20] default/linux/amd64/17.0/desktop (dev) [21] default/linux/amd64/17.0/desktop/gnome (dev) [22] default/linux/amd64/17.0/desktop/gnome/systemd (dev) [23] default/linux/amd64/17.0/desktop/plasma (dev) [24] default/linux/amd64/17.0/desktop/plasma/systemd (dev) [25] default/linux/amd64/17.0/developer (dev) [26] default/linux/amd64/17.0/no-multilib (dev) [27] default/linux/amd64/17.0/no-multilib/hardened (dev) [28] default/linux/amd64/17.0/no-multilib/hardened/selinux (dev) [29] default/linux/amd64/17.0/systemd (dev) [30] default/linux/amd64/17.0/x32 (dev) [31] default/linux/amd64/17.0/musl (exp) [32] default/linux/amd64/17.0/musl/hardened (exp) [33] default/linux/amd64/17.0/musl/hardened/selinux (exp) [34] default/linux/amd64/17.0/uclibc (exp) [35] default/linux/amd64/17.0/uclibc/hardened (exp) If you are looking for some minimalist desktop, a Plasma DE plus KDE applications with hundred of dependencies is probably not what you want. Also, I think Plasma DE and most DMs will pull in X11, because: a) they work both with X11 and wayland; b) many X11 applications can only run in X using XWayland. XWayland is an X Server running as a Wayland client to enable displaying native X11 client applications within a Wayland compositor environment. I haven't looked into it at any depth to see if you can strip a heavy DE like Plasma from all xserver dependencies - I'd guess you can't. Not after a minimalist system, and if it pulls in X that's fine. (Actually, I've installed X, and at the moment it blows up on me, but if I can get Wayland working, I don't see the point in debugging it until I need to ...) If you have Gnome already installed then you can use the stanza for gnome- session instead. My use flags also contain -gtk -gnome ... gnome at least is on my list of pet hates ... Cheers, Wol OK, select the Plasma profile, then have a quick look at: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/KDE You'll need to disable some USE flags of plasma-meta to avoid dragging in things you may not need/require, like 'display-manager', 'sddm', 'accessibility', etc. Eventually, after you update @world, add any kde-apps *-meta packages you need. However, if you intend to use wayland for the most minimalist of purposes, then you may want to consider something like Wayfire, instead of Plasma. I'll need something like sddm, because I'll have multiple users logged in simultaneously. I was trying to use qtgreet as per the "Wayland Landscape" page, but the package doesn't seem to exist ... I'd rather avoid gnome/gdm and gtkgreet, lightdm and sddm look like X11 (and I said I didn't want to debug it :-), and tuigreet looks like it might not support multi-user/multi-head. Still, if I can get plasma running, I can work from there ... Cheers, Wol
Re: [gentoo-user] New install - Wayland and graphical login
On Saturday, 26 June 2021 08:19:24 BST Wols Lists wrote: > On 26/06/21 00:51, Michael wrote: > > Given your error, you appear to not have installed the requisite packages > > for the Plasma/KDE. It should have been installed as a dependency of > > plasma-workspace: > > Ah. Another piece of missing information ... I'll try that. I would have > thought that would have been pulled in seeing as I've got wayland and qt > use flags etc > > > $ qfile startplasma-wayland > > kde-plasma/plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/startplasma-wayland I am not clear on your particular use case(s). Plasma desktop is usually installed by setting the appropriate make.profile: $ eselect profile list Available profile symlink targets: [1] default/linux/amd64/17.1 (stable) [2] default/linux/amd64/17.1/selinux (stable) [3] default/linux/amd64/17.1/hardened (stable) [4] default/linux/amd64/17.1/hardened/selinux (stable) [5] default/linux/amd64/17.1/desktop (stable) [6] default/linux/amd64/17.1/desktop/gnome (stable) [7] default/linux/amd64/17.1/desktop/gnome/systemd (stable) [8] default/linux/amd64/17.1/desktop/plasma (stable) * [9] default/linux/amd64/17.1/desktop/plasma/systemd (stable) [10] default/linux/amd64/17.1/desktop/systemd (stable) [11] default/linux/amd64/17.1/developer (stable) [12] default/linux/amd64/17.1/no-multilib (stable) [13] default/linux/amd64/17.1/no-multilib/hardened (stable) [14] default/linux/amd64/17.1/no-multilib/hardened/selinux (stable) [15] default/linux/amd64/17.1/systemd (stable) [16] default/linux/amd64/17.0 (dev) [17] default/linux/amd64/17.0/selinux (dev) [18] default/linux/amd64/17.0/hardened (dev) [19] default/linux/amd64/17.0/hardened/selinux (dev) [20] default/linux/amd64/17.0/desktop (dev) [21] default/linux/amd64/17.0/desktop/gnome (dev) [22] default/linux/amd64/17.0/desktop/gnome/systemd (dev) [23] default/linux/amd64/17.0/desktop/plasma (dev) [24] default/linux/amd64/17.0/desktop/plasma/systemd (dev) [25] default/linux/amd64/17.0/developer (dev) [26] default/linux/amd64/17.0/no-multilib (dev) [27] default/linux/amd64/17.0/no-multilib/hardened (dev) [28] default/linux/amd64/17.0/no-multilib/hardened/selinux (dev) [29] default/linux/amd64/17.0/systemd (dev) [30] default/linux/amd64/17.0/x32 (dev) [31] default/linux/amd64/17.0/musl (exp) [32] default/linux/amd64/17.0/musl/hardened (exp) [33] default/linux/amd64/17.0/musl/hardened/selinux (exp) [34] default/linux/amd64/17.0/uclibc (exp) [35] default/linux/amd64/17.0/uclibc/hardened (exp) If you are looking for some minimalist desktop, a Plasma DE plus KDE applications with hundred of dependencies is probably not what you want. Also, I think Plasma DE and most DMs will pull in X11, because: a) they work both with X11 and wayland; b) many X11 applications can only run in X using XWayland. XWayland is an X Server running as a Wayland client to enable displaying native X11 client applications within a Wayland compositor environment. I haven't looked into it at any depth to see if you can strip a heavy DE like Plasma from all xserver dependencies - I'd guess you can't. > > If you have Gnome already installed then you can use the stanza for gnome- > > session instead. > > My use flags also contain -gtk -gnome ... gnome at least is on my list > of pet hates ... > > Cheers, > Wol OK, select the Plasma profile, then have a quick look at: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/KDE You'll need to disable some USE flags of plasma-meta to avoid dragging in things you may not need/require, like 'display-manager', 'sddm', 'accessibility', etc. Eventually, after you update @world, add any kde-apps *-meta packages you need. However, if you intend to use wayland for the most minimalist of purposes, then you may want to consider something like Wayfire, instead of Plasma. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] New install - Wayland and graphical login
On 26/06/21 00:51, Michael wrote: > On Friday, 25 June 2021 20:15:22 BST antlists wrote: >> On 25/06/2021 09:46, Michael wrote: >>> On Friday, 25 June 2021 08:50:32 BST antlists wrote: On 23/06/2021 10:11, jdm wrote: > On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 16:17:41 +0100 > > Michael wrote: >> On Monday, 21 June 2021 17:27:31 BST Wols Lists wrote: >>> What happens when you get to the end of the handbook? >>> >>> I want to get a working Wayland setup with a (multi-user) graphical >>> login. When I set my old system up ($DEITY knows how long ago) I >>> seem to remember a page on setting up X, and all sorts of stuff. >>> >>> Now, you seem to get dumped at working tty1 prompt, and then the >>> *helpful* documentation JUST STOPS. It doesn't even point you at >>> anything! (Yes it points you at the portage page about how to >>> maintain your system, but that isn't much use if you can't DO >>> anything with the system...) >>> >>> I've found the page on Wayland, but it just says "set this use flag >>> and install two packages". >>> >>> Where's the documentation that tells me what I need, and how to set >>> it up, please ... >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Wol >> >> Have you tried using a Display Manager? Some of my systems won't >> work with Wayland, but I haven't spent time to find out why all I get >> with them is a black screen. >> >> Anyway, from a VT you'd run something like: >> >> XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session startplasma-wayland >> >> or >> >> XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session gnome-session > > There is a wayland greeter which uses greetd and gtkgreet which may > be worth looking at and there is a gentoo wiki which goes a long with > it. It works with wayfire which is a nice wayland window manager and is > very reliable. > > Also look at https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wayland_Desktop_Landscape Thanks, but I'm none the wiser ... the thing is, for X the instructions are simple - "install xorg, run startx". Okay, I've done that and got errors I need to solve, but with Wayland I just don't have a clue. I don't know what I need, I don't know how to start it, all I've got is a pile of bits in a box, and I don't know what to do with them. Everything I find is like a meccano set - there's loads of bits and pieces, but no instructions, and I don't have a clue how they fit together. Where's the recipe that says "do this this and this and you should have a gui"? Cheers, Wol >>> From what I recall as long as you set USE="wayland" globally and >>> re-emerge >>> >>> world with '--changed-use' you should able to launch your dekstop in >>> wayland, rather than Xserver. >>> >>> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wayland >>> >>> There is a caveat, to make things simple: your desktop environment should >>> have full support for wayland compositing - e.g. Plasma and Gnome come >>> ready baked with their own compositor and will run in Wayland. Window >>> managers which do not possess a compositor will require one installed >>> separately, as noted in jdm's post, but then we're getting into a box >>> with a pile of bits in it. >>> >>> To launch wayland you can either install a Display Manager and select to >>> start wayland from its GUI options, instead of X11, or you can run the >>> stanzas I provided above. >> >> Bear in mind my profile is desktop/plasma/systemd ... >> >> This is very informative, but it blows up on me ... I've checked that >> wayland is in my use flags so that should all be okay ... >> >> # XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session startplasma-wayland >> ... startplasma-wayland not found ... >> >> # emerge qtgreet >> emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "qtgreet". >> >> So you've massively helped in that I now know much better how things fit >> together, but unfortunately you've also been no help at all in that the >> stuff you've pointed at doesn't work ... >> >> Where do I go from here ... >> >> Cheers, >> Wol > > I don't think systemd is different (although I don't use it with Gentoo), > unless you want to launch a Display Manager like e.g. sddm. Looking at sddm, it appears to require X? I might well have to play with that, given that I want a multi-user system (indeed, multi-head) system, but that can wait ... > > Given your error, you appear to not have installed the requisite packages for > the Plasma/KDE. It should have been installed as a dependency of plasma- > workspace: Ah. Another piece of missing information ... I'll try that. I would have thought that would have been pulled in seeing as I've got wayland and qt use flags etc > > $ qfile startplasma-wayland > kde-plasma/plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/startplasma-wayland > > If you have Gnome already installed then you can use the stanza for gnome- > session instead. > My use flags also contain
Re: [gentoo-user] New install - Wayland and graphical login
On Friday, 25 June 2021 20:15:22 BST antlists wrote: > On 25/06/2021 09:46, Michael wrote: > > On Friday, 25 June 2021 08:50:32 BST antlists wrote: > >> On 23/06/2021 10:11, jdm wrote: > >>> On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 16:17:41 +0100 > >>> > >>> Michael wrote: > On Monday, 21 June 2021 17:27:31 BST Wols Lists wrote: > > What happens when you get to the end of the handbook? > > > > I want to get a working Wayland setup with a (multi-user) graphical > > login. When I set my old system up ($DEITY knows how long ago) I > > seem to remember a page on setting up X, and all sorts of stuff. > > > > Now, you seem to get dumped at working tty1 prompt, and then the > > *helpful* documentation JUST STOPS. It doesn't even point you at > > anything! (Yes it points you at the portage page about how to > > maintain your system, but that isn't much use if you can't DO > > anything with the system...) > > > > I've found the page on Wayland, but it just says "set this use flag > > and install two packages". > > > > Where's the documentation that tells me what I need, and how to set > > it up, please ... > > > > Cheers, > > Wol > > Have you tried using a Display Manager? Some of my systems won't > work with Wayland, but I haven't spent time to find out why all I get > with them is a black screen. > > Anyway, from a VT you'd run something like: > > XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session startplasma-wayland > > or > > XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session gnome-session > >>> > >>> There is a wayland greeter which uses greetd and gtkgreet which may > >>> be worth looking at and there is a gentoo wiki which goes a long with > >>> it. It works with wayfire which is a nice wayland window manager and is > >>> very reliable. > >>> > >>> Also look at https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wayland_Desktop_Landscape > >> > >> Thanks, but I'm none the wiser ... the thing is, for X the instructions > >> are simple - "install xorg, run startx". > >> > >> Okay, I've done that and got errors I need to solve, but with Wayland I > >> just don't have a clue. I don't know what I need, I don't know how to > >> start it, all I've got is a pile of bits in a box, and I don't know what > >> to do with them. > >> > >> Everything I find is like a meccano set - there's loads of bits and > >> pieces, but no instructions, and I don't have a clue how they fit > >> together. Where's the recipe that says "do this this and this and you > >> should have a gui"? > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Wol > >> > > From what I recall as long as you set USE="wayland" globally and > > re-emerge > > > > world with '--changed-use' you should able to launch your dekstop in > > wayland, rather than Xserver. > > > > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wayland > > > > There is a caveat, to make things simple: your desktop environment should > > have full support for wayland compositing - e.g. Plasma and Gnome come > > ready baked with their own compositor and will run in Wayland. Window > > managers which do not possess a compositor will require one installed > > separately, as noted in jdm's post, but then we're getting into a box > > with a pile of bits in it. > > > > To launch wayland you can either install a Display Manager and select to > > start wayland from its GUI options, instead of X11, or you can run the > > stanzas I provided above. > > Bear in mind my profile is desktop/plasma/systemd ... > > This is very informative, but it blows up on me ... I've checked that > wayland is in my use flags so that should all be okay ... > > # XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session startplasma-wayland > ... startplasma-wayland not found ... > > # emerge qtgreet > emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "qtgreet". > > So you've massively helped in that I now know much better how things fit > together, but unfortunately you've also been no help at all in that the > stuff you've pointed at doesn't work ... > > Where do I go from here ... > > Cheers, > Wol I don't think systemd is different (although I don't use it with Gentoo), unless you want to launch a Display Manager like e.g. sddm. Given your error, you appear to not have installed the requisite packages for the Plasma/KDE. It should have been installed as a dependency of plasma- workspace: $ qfile startplasma-wayland kde-plasma/plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/startplasma-wayland If you have Gnome already installed then you can use the stanza for gnome- session instead. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] New install - Wayland and graphical login
On 25/06/2021 09:46, Michael wrote: On Friday, 25 June 2021 08:50:32 BST antlists wrote: On 23/06/2021 10:11, jdm wrote: On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 16:17:41 +0100 Michael wrote: On Monday, 21 June 2021 17:27:31 BST Wols Lists wrote: What happens when you get to the end of the handbook? I want to get a working Wayland setup with a (multi-user) graphical login. When I set my old system up ($DEITY knows how long ago) I seem to remember a page on setting up X, and all sorts of stuff. Now, you seem to get dumped at working tty1 prompt, and then the *helpful* documentation JUST STOPS. It doesn't even point you at anything! (Yes it points you at the portage page about how to maintain your system, but that isn't much use if you can't DO anything with the system...) I've found the page on Wayland, but it just says "set this use flag and install two packages". Where's the documentation that tells me what I need, and how to set it up, please ... Cheers, Wol Have you tried using a Display Manager? Some of my systems won't work with Wayland, but I haven't spent time to find out why all I get with them is a black screen. Anyway, from a VT you'd run something like: XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session startplasma-wayland or XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session gnome-session There is a wayland greeter which uses greetd and gtkgreet which may be worth looking at and there is a gentoo wiki which goes a long with it. It works with wayfire which is a nice wayland window manager and is very reliable. Also look at https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wayland_Desktop_Landscape Thanks, but I'm none the wiser ... the thing is, for X the instructions are simple - "install xorg, run startx". Okay, I've done that and got errors I need to solve, but with Wayland I just don't have a clue. I don't know what I need, I don't know how to start it, all I've got is a pile of bits in a box, and I don't know what to do with them. Everything I find is like a meccano set - there's loads of bits and pieces, but no instructions, and I don't have a clue how they fit together. Where's the recipe that says "do this this and this and you should have a gui"? Cheers, Wol From what I recall as long as you set USE="wayland" globally and re-emerge world with '--changed-use' you should able to launch your dekstop in wayland, rather than Xserver. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wayland There is a caveat, to make things simple: your desktop environment should have full support for wayland compositing - e.g. Plasma and Gnome come ready baked with their own compositor and will run in Wayland. Window managers which do not possess a compositor will require one installed separately, as noted in jdm's post, but then we're getting into a box with a pile of bits in it. To launch wayland you can either install a Display Manager and select to start wayland from its GUI options, instead of X11, or you can run the stanzas I provided above. Bear in mind my profile is desktop/plasma/systemd ... This is very informative, but it blows up on me ... I've checked that wayland is in my use flags so that should all be okay ... # XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session startplasma-wayland ... startplasma-wayland not found ... # emerge qtgreet emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "qtgreet". So you've massively helped in that I now know much better how things fit together, but unfortunately you've also been no help at all in that the stuff you've pointed at doesn't work ... Where do I go from here ... Cheers, Wol
Re: [gentoo-user] New install - Wayland and graphical login
On Friday, 25 June 2021 08:50:32 BST antlists wrote: > On 23/06/2021 10:11, jdm wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 16:17:41 +0100 > > > > Michael wrote: > >> On Monday, 21 June 2021 17:27:31 BST Wols Lists wrote: > >>> What happens when you get to the end of the handbook? > >>> > >>> I want to get a working Wayland setup with a (multi-user) graphical > >>> login. When I set my old system up ($DEITY knows how long ago) I > >>> seem to remember a page on setting up X, and all sorts of stuff. > >>> > >>> Now, you seem to get dumped at working tty1 prompt, and then the > >>> *helpful* documentation JUST STOPS. It doesn't even point you at > >>> anything! (Yes it points you at the portage page about how to > >>> maintain your system, but that isn't much use if you can't DO > >>> anything with the system...) > >>> > >>> I've found the page on Wayland, but it just says "set this use flag > >>> and install two packages". > >>> > >>> Where's the documentation that tells me what I need, and how to set > >>> it up, please ... > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Wol > >> > >> Have you tried using a Display Manager? Some of my systems won't > >> work with Wayland, but I haven't spent time to find out why all I get > >> with them is a black screen. > >> > >> Anyway, from a VT you'd run something like: > >> > >> XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session startplasma-wayland > >> > >> or > >> > >> XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session gnome-session > > > > There is a wayland greeter which uses greetd and gtkgreet which may > > be worth looking at and there is a gentoo wiki which goes a long with > > it. It works with wayfire which is a nice wayland window manager and is > > very reliable. > > > > Also look at https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wayland_Desktop_Landscape > > Thanks, but I'm none the wiser ... the thing is, for X the instructions > are simple - "install xorg, run startx". > > Okay, I've done that and got errors I need to solve, but with Wayland I > just don't have a clue. I don't know what I need, I don't know how to > start it, all I've got is a pile of bits in a box, and I don't know what > to do with them. > > Everything I find is like a meccano set - there's loads of bits and > pieces, but no instructions, and I don't have a clue how they fit > together. Where's the recipe that says "do this this and this and you > should have a gui"? > > Cheers, > Wol >From what I recall as long as you set USE="wayland" globally and re-emerge world with '--changed-use' you should able to launch your dekstop in wayland, rather than Xserver. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wayland There is a caveat, to make things simple: your desktop environment should have full support for wayland compositing - e.g. Plasma and Gnome come ready baked with their own compositor and will run in Wayland. Window managers which do not possess a compositor will require one installed separately, as noted in jdm's post, but then we're getting into a box with a pile of bits in it. To launch wayland you can either install a Display Manager and select to start wayland from its GUI options, instead of X11, or you can run the stanzas I provided above. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] New install - Wayland and graphical login
On 23/06/2021 10:11, jdm wrote: On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 16:17:41 +0100 Michael wrote: On Monday, 21 June 2021 17:27:31 BST Wols Lists wrote: What happens when you get to the end of the handbook? I want to get a working Wayland setup with a (multi-user) graphical login. When I set my old system up ($DEITY knows how long ago) I seem to remember a page on setting up X, and all sorts of stuff. Now, you seem to get dumped at working tty1 prompt, and then the *helpful* documentation JUST STOPS. It doesn't even point you at anything! (Yes it points you at the portage page about how to maintain your system, but that isn't much use if you can't DO anything with the system...) I've found the page on Wayland, but it just says "set this use flag and install two packages". Where's the documentation that tells me what I need, and how to set it up, please ... Cheers, Wol Have you tried using a Display Manager? Some of my systems won't work with Wayland, but I haven't spent time to find out why all I get with them is a black screen. Anyway, from a VT you'd run something like: XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session startplasma-wayland or XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session gnome-session There is a wayland greeter which uses greetd and gtkgreet which may be worth looking at and there is a gentoo wiki which goes a long with it. It works with wayfire which is a nice wayland window manager and is very reliable. Also look at https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wayland_Desktop_Landscape Thanks, but I'm none the wiser ... the thing is, for X the instructions are simple - "install xorg, run startx". Okay, I've done that and got errors I need to solve, but with Wayland I just don't have a clue. I don't know what I need, I don't know how to start it, all I've got is a pile of bits in a box, and I don't know what to do with them. Everything I find is like a meccano set - there's loads of bits and pieces, but no instructions, and I don't have a clue how they fit together. Where's the recipe that says "do this this and this and you should have a gui"? Cheers, Wol
Re: [gentoo-user] New install - Wayland and graphical login
On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 16:17:41 +0100 Michael wrote: > On Monday, 21 June 2021 17:27:31 BST Wols Lists wrote: > > What happens when you get to the end of the handbook? > > > > I want to get a working Wayland setup with a (multi-user) graphical > > login. When I set my old system up ($DEITY knows how long ago) I > > seem to remember a page on setting up X, and all sorts of stuff. > > > > Now, you seem to get dumped at working tty1 prompt, and then the > > *helpful* documentation JUST STOPS. It doesn't even point you at > > anything! (Yes it points you at the portage page about how to > > maintain your system, but that isn't much use if you can't DO > > anything with the system...) > > > > I've found the page on Wayland, but it just says "set this use flag > > and install two packages". > > > > Where's the documentation that tells me what I need, and how to set > > it up, please ... > > > > Cheers, > > Wol > > Have you tried using a Display Manager? Some of my systems won't > work with Wayland, but I haven't spent time to find out why all I get > with them is a black screen. > > Anyway, from a VT you'd run something like: > > XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session startplasma-wayland > > or > > XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session gnome-session There is a wayland greeter which uses greetd and gtkgreet which may be worth looking at and there is a gentoo wiki which goes a long with it. It works with wayfire which is a nice wayland window manager and is very reliable. Also look at https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wayland_Desktop_Landscape John
Re: [gentoo-user] New install - Wayland and graphical login
On Monday, 21 June 2021 17:27:31 BST Wols Lists wrote: > What happens when you get to the end of the handbook? > > I want to get a working Wayland setup with a (multi-user) graphical > login. When I set my old system up ($DEITY knows how long ago) I seem to > remember a page on setting up X, and all sorts of stuff. > > Now, you seem to get dumped at working tty1 prompt, and then the > *helpful* documentation JUST STOPS. It doesn't even point you at > anything! (Yes it points you at the portage page about how to maintain > your system, but that isn't much use if you can't DO anything with the > system...) > > I've found the page on Wayland, but it just says "set this use flag and > install two packages". > > Where's the documentation that tells me what I need, and how to set it > up, please ... > > Cheers, > Wol Have you tried using a Display Manager? Some of my systems won't work with Wayland, but I haven't spent time to find out why all I get with them is a black screen. Anyway, from a VT you'd run something like: XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session startplasma-wayland or XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland dbus-run-session gnome-session signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] New install - Wayland and graphical login
What happens when you get to the end of the handbook? I want to get a working Wayland setup with a (multi-user) graphical login. When I set my old system up ($DEITY knows how long ago) I seem to remember a page on setting up X, and all sorts of stuff. Now, you seem to get dumped at working tty1 prompt, and then the *helpful* documentation JUST STOPS. It doesn't even point you at anything! (Yes it points you at the portage page about how to maintain your system, but that isn't much use if you can't DO anything with the system...) I've found the page on Wayland, but it just says "set this use flag and install two packages". Where's the documentation that tells me what I need, and how to set it up, please ... Cheers, Wol
