Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Is Gentoo healthy?
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:39:46 +0300, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 20 December 2006 18:16, Mark Knecht wrote: [SNIP] I understand that every package is out there in some repository on the web. I think Neil has pointed me toward it once or twice at least. The problem is for a user type like me, and yes, I'm *purely* a user type, it's a bit beyond my skillset today to go get it and build the overlay myself. Yes, http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/ . And it contains every ebuild (and patch) that has ever been in the tree. It really isn't that hard. Looks like we have got a bug in the Gentoo handbook. This link should be mentioned together with the recommendation for how often should I sync the portage tree. I guess the right place is an annotation to the first request to sync the tree. There are 3 problems for a new user not discussed in the handbook: If I get some problem, then why not to start all over again, that is, sync a tree? Do so every 15 minutes and the rsync server promises to get angry. I did not do that but found the advice on the maximum syncing rate way too late. If I have a problem with sync (as I had some network problem installing from Knoppix live CD), it is good to know (not to guess) that I do not need to sync at all if I just downloaded the latest tree. When SHOULD I sync again? That is, for how long may I not to sync and expect that ebuilds can find the files they need to download at the expected locations? It looks like this depends on the good will of 3-d parties, for example, I will get nVidia legacy drivers only if nVidia keeps them on their site or the mirror I use keeps them. I still do not know for how long old ebuilds keep working. I understand that some ebuilds can stop working any time when a 3-d party changes the file they do not allow to put on mirrors, but what is normal for an ebuild? -- Andrei Gerasimenko -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Is Gentoo healthy?
On Thursday 21 December 2006 10:00, Andrey Gerasimenko wrote: When SHOULD I sync again? That is, for how long may I not to sync and expect that ebuilds can find the files they need to download at the expected locations? It looks like this depends on the good will of 3-d parties, for example, I will get nVidia legacy drivers only if nVidia keeps them on their site or the mirror I use keeps them. I still do not know for how long old ebuilds keep working. I understand that some ebuilds can stop working any time when a 3-d party changes the file they do not allow to put on mirrors, but what is normal for an ebuild? It depends. You see, this is like asking how long is a piece of string? Because we have no idea when the vendors will change their drivers, so the ebuild is valid for as long as it still works and the download is available. Note carefully that none of that is in any way under a gentoo dev's control Now often should you sync? There is no rule, and none is possible, so don't ask for one. I can give you some tips from experience though: If you run ~arch you might want to sync ever few days or so. For a regular stable (arch) system, I found once a week or once a fortnight suited me. You might be different. So try syncing once a week, if you find that you can cope OK with that, stick with it. Otherwise, sync more or less often till you find the interval that suits you. alan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] OT: Is Gentoo healthy?
-Original Message- From: Alan McKinnon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 December 2006 08:33 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Is Gentoo healthy? Now often should you sync? There is no rule, and none is possible, so don't ask for one. I can give you some tips from experience though: If you run ~arch you might want to sync ever few days or so. For a regular stable (arch) system, I found once a week or once a fortnight suited me. You might be different. So try syncing once a week, if you find that you can cope OK with that, stick with it. Otherwise, sync more or less often till you find the interval that suits you. alan I tend to sync my one gentoo machine every day or two, because I like to stay up to date and play with the newest toys :). I have however paid for this enjoyment in the form of hours fixing my machine, serveral times! If you are aiming for as stable a machine as possible I would only update what you need to update, or specific packages you want to update or add. I admit to being the type that just updates everything (usually). David -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Is Gentoo healthy?
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:00:41 +0300, Andrey Gerasimenko wrote: When SHOULD I sync again? That is, for how long may I not to sync and expect that ebuilds can find the files they need to download at the expected locations? It looks like this depends on the good will of 3-d parties, for example, I will get nVidia legacy drivers only if nVidia keeps them on their site or the mirror I use keeps them. I still do not know for how long old ebuilds keep working. I understand that some ebuilds can stop working any time when a 3-d party changes the file they do not allow to put on mirrors, but what is normal for an ebuild? Files are removed from the mirrors two weeks after the last ebuild using them is removed from the tree, so if you sync every two weeks you should never suffer from missing source files (apart fro restricted ebuilds). -- Neil Bothwick As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Is Gentoo healthy?
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:25:01 +0300, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Files are removed from the mirrors two weeks after the last ebuild using them is removed from the tree, so if you sync every two weeks you should never suffer from missing source files (apart fro restricted ebuilds). Thanks. Must be found early in the Gentoo handbook. -- Andrei Gerasimenko -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Is Gentoo healthy?
On Thursday 21 December 2006 10:43, Andrey Gerasimenko wrote: Files are removed from the mirrors two weeks after the last ebuild using them is removed from the tree, so if you sync every two weeks you should never suffer from missing source files (apart fro restricted ebuilds). Thanks. Must be found early in the Gentoo handbook. No. But here: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/infrastructure/mirrors/overview-distfile.xml :) -- Bo Andresen pgpVASxyfLp4e.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Is Gentoo healthy?
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:52:53 +0300, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 21 December 2006 10:43, Andrey Gerasimenko wrote: Files are removed from the mirrors two weeks after the last ebuild using them is removed from the tree, so if you sync every two weeks you should never suffer from missing source files (apart fro restricted ebuilds). Thanks. Must be found early in the Gentoo handbook. No. But here: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/infrastructure/mirrors/overview-distfile.xml :) Wow! It is in the docs already! I find this Gentoo Distfiles Mirrowing System - Overview worth reading from the user perspective, but the path to it leads through the developer specific stuff and the title is not listed in http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/list.xml. I would get there all by myself reading gradually all the Gentoo documentation, but this mailing list made that happen sooner :). -- Andrei Gerasimenko -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Is Gentoo healthy?
wow.. this thing is still going.. On 12/21/06, Andrey Gerasimenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:52:53 +0300, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 21 December 2006 10:43, Andrey Gerasimenko wrote: Files are removed from the mirrors two weeks after the last ebuild using them is removed from the tree, so if you sync every two weeks you should never suffer from missing source files (apart fro restricted ebuilds). Thanks. Must be found early in the Gentoo handbook. No. But here: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/infrastructure/mirrors/overview-distfile.xml :) Wow! It is in the docs already! I find this Gentoo Distfiles Mirrowing System - Overview worth reading from the user perspective, but the path to it leads through the developer specific stuff and the title is not listed in http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/list.xml. I would get there all by myself reading gradually all the Gentoo documentation, but this mailing list made that happen sooner :). -- Andrei Gerasimenko -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
