Re: [gentoo-user] Question about making a tarball
On 2 May 2009, at 03:55, Dale wrote: ... [1] http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Custom_Stage4#The_TAR_system I'm wanting to print this page, from the link above. Is it me or does some of the lines run off the edge of the margins and get lost? I have tried this in both Seamonkey and Konqueror with the same results. I also tried to copy and paste it to OOo and Kwrite and it cuts it off too. One line that seems consistent is the line about options not being used with tar, the -p option. It looks ok on the website but not when printed. Works fine here using Safari's print then Save as PDF, but a bit whacky when you right-click choose export to PDF. The latter would normally print the whole lot as a single page of unrestrained length, but it is blank after the end of the first paragraph (However, there may be problems with this alternate method if you use the stage4 on systems with different hardware configurations.). I would have expected the latter to be the more reliable print method, TBH. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about making a tarball
Stroller wrote: On 2 May 2009, at 03:55, Dale wrote: ... [1] http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Custom_Stage4#The_TAR_system I'm wanting to print this page, from the link above. Is it me or does some of the lines run off the edge of the margins and get lost? I have tried this in both Seamonkey and Konqueror with the same results. I also tried to copy and paste it to OOo and Kwrite and it cuts it off too. One line that seems consistent is the line about options not being used with tar, the -p option. It looks ok on the website but not when printed. Works fine here using Safari's print then Save as PDF, but a bit whacky when you right-click choose export to PDF. The latter would normally print the whole lot as a single page of unrestrained length, but it is blank after the end of the first paragraph (However, there may be problems with this alternate method if you use the stage4 on systems with different hardware configurations.). I would have expected the latter to be the more reliable print method, TBH. Stroller. I was just curious if it was a setting or something on my end. Usually when both Seamonkey and Konqueror do the same thing then it is not a bad setting but it does look like the page should be printable as well. Is this a bug that should be reported? I also wonder if this is the only page like this? Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about making a tarball
Stroller wrote: On 2 May 2009, at 03:55, Dale wrote: ... [1] http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Custom_Stage4#The_TAR_system I'm wanting to print this page, from the link above. Is it me or does some of the lines run off the edge of the margins and get lost? I have tried this in both Seamonkey and Konqueror with the same results. I also tried to copy and paste it to OOo and Kwrite and it cuts it off too. One line that seems consistent is the line about options not being used with tar, the -p option. It looks ok on the website but not when printed. Works fine here using Safari's print then Save as PDF, but a bit whacky when you right-click choose export to PDF. The latter would normally print the whole lot as a single page of unrestrained length, but it is blank after the end of the first paragraph (However, there may be problems with this alternate method if you use the stage4 on systems with different hardware configurations.). I would have expected the latter to be the more reliable print method, TBH. Stroller. I just noticed something on the pdf you sent offlist. It has a horizontal scroll thingy and doesn't print the whole line either. It also looked to me like the script sections that were more than a page long got cut off on the bottom. I think someone needs a better plan for those pages. I also clicked the link on the left to make the page printable, it didn't work either. It seems there is no way to print this page and it not cut off the longer lines. Weird. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about making a tarball
On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 14:44 -0500, Dale wrote: I try to keep a up to date stage 4 tarball here in my system just in case. I basically did the creation just like I would if I were booted from the CD. I created /mnt/gentoo/ on my system, extracted a stage 3 there, then chroot in and create a stage 4 tarball. I have one weird thing tho that has me confused. When it creates the stage 4 tarball, it is in /mnt/gentoo. Today I unpacked the stage 4 so that I could update it and when I do a tar xjpf stage4 -C /mnt/gentoo, it actually looks like this, /mnt/gentoo/mnt/gentoo/ which is not what I am looking for. It doesn't matter on a running system, but it would if I were trying to rescue myself. How do I tell tar when I am making the tarball to look at /mnt/gentoo/ as it start point, root directory if you will? I read the man page but suspect I am missing it somewhere. There has to be a way since it is done that way for the stage 3 tarball. I do just # cd /mnt/gentoo # tar cjpf /somewhere/gentoo4.tar.bz2 . ^ dot @ the end! Which produces a tarball containg everything under . - which is the CWD - ./bin ./boot ...and so on. Bye, Daniel -- PGP key @ http://pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de/pks/lookup?search=0xBB9D4887op=get # gpg --recv-keys --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0xBB9D4887 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about making a tarball
Daniel Troeder wrote: On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 14:44 -0500, Dale wrote: I try to keep a up to date stage 4 tarball here in my system just in case. I basically did the creation just like I would if I were booted from the CD. I created /mnt/gentoo/ on my system, extracted a stage 3 there, then chroot in and create a stage 4 tarball. I have one weird thing tho that has me confused. When it creates the stage 4 tarball, it is in /mnt/gentoo. Today I unpacked the stage 4 so that I could update it and when I do a tar xjpf stage4 -C /mnt/gentoo, it actually looks like this, /mnt/gentoo/mnt/gentoo/ which is not what I am looking for. It doesn't matter on a running system, but it would if I were trying to rescue myself. How do I tell tar when I am making the tarball to look at /mnt/gentoo/ as it start point, root directory if you will? I read the man page but suspect I am missing it somewhere. There has to be a way since it is done that way for the stage 3 tarball. I do just # cd /mnt/gentoo # tar cjpf /somewhere/gentoo4.tar.bz2 . ^ dot @ the end! Which produces a tarball containg everything under . - which is the CWD - ./bin ./boot ...and so on. Bye, Daniel I have to confess, I am always in the root directory, as in /. That makes sense too. I'll try to remember to try that next time. Thanks Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about making a tarball
On 30 Apr 2009, at 20:44, Dale wrote: I try to keep a up to date stage 4 tarball here in my system just in case. I basically did the creation just like I would if I were booted from the CD. I created /mnt/gentoo/ on my system, extracted a stage 3 there, then chroot in and create a stage 4 tarball. I don't understand how this creates a stage4 of your system. How EXACTLY are you creating the stage4, please? What guide are you following? When I have in the past created a backup stage4 (which I have to admit I've never needed to test), I have used a stage4.exclude file like that described at [1], then used the tar command specified there. insert s-tar comment or joke here Either I'm confused, or I expect the remainder of the thread to be confused because the basic premise of what you're trying to do has not been clearly defined. Stroller. [1] http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Custom_Stage4#The_TAR_system
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about making a tarball
Stroller wrote: On 30 Apr 2009, at 20:44, Dale wrote: I try to keep a up to date stage 4 tarball here in my system just in case. I basically did the creation just like I would if I were booted from the CD. I created /mnt/gentoo/ on my system, extracted a stage 3 there, then chroot in and create a stage 4 tarball. I don't understand how this creates a stage4 of your system. How EXACTLY are you creating the stage4, please? What guide are you following? When I have in the past created a backup stage4 (which I have to admit I've never needed to test), I have used a stage4.exclude file like that described at [1], then used the tar command specified there. insert s-tar comment or joke here Either I'm confused, or I expect the remainder of the thread to be confused because the basic premise of what you're trying to do has not been clearly defined. Stroller. [1] http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Custom_Stage4#The_TAR_system Well, I do something like this. Once every few months I extract that stage4 tarball to /mnt/gentoo. I then mount my portage partition to /mnt/gentoo/usr/portage. I then mount proc and chroot in. Then I do a emerge -uvDN world to update everything, log out of the chroot and umount proc and portage. Then I create a new tarball that has the date in the name. I keep a couple of these stored on on my backups as well. I don't want to download a prebuilt stage3 because I'm on dialup here and it takes a long time to download. So, I just make my own and update them when needed. Make sense? Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about making a tarball
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:44:57 -0500, Dale wrote: How do I tell tar when I am making the tarball to look at /mnt/gentoo/ as it start point, root directory if you will? I read the man page but suspect I am missing it somewhere. There has to be a way since it is done that way for the stage 3 tarball. The same way you change directory when you extract, with -C. Does gnu tar really did copy star behavior and now allows to use -C in extract mode? Well, star still combines the pattern matcher with -C and thus allows to combine -C with pat= and thus to extract and sort controlled by patterns. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about making a tarball
Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: On 1 May 2009, at 10:26, Joerg Schilling wrote: ... Does gnu tar really did copy star behavior and now allows to use -C in extract mode? Surely gtar should not emulate star's behaviour? Surely it is only correct to emulate the behaviour of some original Unix tar (without prefix, s- or g- or otherwise), or follow the specifications of some standards document? If gnu tsr would follow the specifications from the Single UNIX specification http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/xcu/tar.html there would be less problems ;-) Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about making a tarball
On 1 May 2009, at 10:26, Joerg Schilling wrote: ... Does gnu tar really did copy star behavior and now allows to use -C in extract mode? Surely gtar should not emulate star's behaviour? Surely it is only correct to emulate the behaviour of some original Unix tar (without prefix, s- or g- or otherwise), or follow the specifications of some standards document? Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about making a tarball
On 1 May 2009, at 10:38, Dale wrote: ... Well, I do something like this. Once every few months I extract that stage4 tarball to /mnt/gentoo. I then mount my portage partition to /mnt/gentoo/usr/portage. I then mount proc and chroot in. Then I do a emerge -uvDN world to update everything, log out of the chroot and umount proc and portage. Then I create a new tarball that has the date in the name. I keep a couple of these stored on on my backups as well. I'm confusled. :/ Why do you update the stage 3, rather than simply creating the stage 4 from your current functioning system? Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about making a tarball
Stroller wrote: On 1 May 2009, at 10:38, Dale wrote: ... Well, I do something like this. Once every few months I extract that stage4 tarball to /mnt/gentoo. I then mount my portage partition to /mnt/gentoo/usr/portage. I then mount proc and chroot in. Then I do a emerge -uvDN world to update everything, log out of the chroot and umount proc and portage. Then I create a new tarball that has the date in the name. I keep a couple of these stored on on my backups as well. I'm confusled. :/ Why do you update the stage 3, rather than simply creating the stage 4 from your current functioning system? Stroller. Well, that will be next on my list. I do make backups of my system but having the stage4 would be faster and give me something to boot into to restore my backups with. For some reason my hard drives are very slow when booted off the cd. My plan is to restore stage4 to a old hard drive, emerge the kernel, build a kernel, install grub, and then boot from that and restore my backups. I do plan to start looking into other ways of restoring tho. Just not sure how I'm going to do that yet. Most likely still stage4 since I got it about figured out. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about making a tarball
On 1 May 2009, at 19:33, Dale wrote: Stroller wrote: ... I'm confusled. :/ Why do you update the stage 3, rather than simply creating the stage 4 from your current functioning system? Well, that will be next on my list. I do make backups of my system but having the stage4 would be faster and give me something to boot into to restore my backups with. But AIUI you can create stage4 backups of your working system. Restoration would be: boot from any old CD, untar stage4, reboot, perfectly functioning system just as it was before. What, in your mind, is the difference between the faster stage4 and a backup of your system? Surely there should be none. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about making a tarball
Stroller wrote: On 1 May 2009, at 19:33, Dale wrote: Stroller wrote: ... I'm confusled. :/ Why do you update the stage 3, rather than simply creating the stage 4 from your current functioning system? Well, that will be next on my list. I do make backups of my system but having the stage4 would be faster and give me something to boot into to restore my backups with. But AIUI you can create stage4 backups of your working system. Restoration would be: boot from any old CD, untar stage4, reboot, perfectly functioning system just as it was before. What, in your mind, is the difference between the faster stage4 and a backup of your system? Surely there should be none. Stroller. You are correct in what you are saying. I'm just sort of chewing on this apple a little at a time. I plan to copy my world file over to the backup section and build it there or just backup my current install one. I'm sure it can be done on my current install so I may bite on that instead. I'm just sort of a chicken on some things. The last gcc upgrade really made me nervous. Speaking of, I need to sync again if I can get my nerve up again. lol I haven't updated in a while and we all know how Gentoo hates that. ;-) I'm going to find that link again that someone posted. It is for the stage4 how to. I forgot to bookmark it but I got the email here still. Oh, I actually plan to boot from the CD and restore from a DVD. I got me a DVD burner a while back. That works a LOT better. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about making a tarball
Stroller wrote: I don't understand how this creates a stage4 of your system. How EXACTLY are you creating the stage4, please? What guide are you following? When I have in the past created a backup stage4 (which I have to admit I've never needed to test), I have used a stage4.exclude file like that described at [1], then used the tar command specified there. insert s-tar comment or joke here Either I'm confused, or I expect the remainder of the thread to be confused because the basic premise of what you're trying to do has not been clearly defined. Stroller. [1] http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Custom_Stage4#The_TAR_system I'm wanting to print this page, from the link above. Is it me or does some of the lines run off the edge of the margins and get lost? I have tried this in both Seamonkey and Konqueror with the same results. I also tried to copy and paste it to OOo and Kwrite and it cuts it off too. One line that seems consistent is the line about options not being used with tar, the -p option. It looks ok on the website but not when printed. Just curious. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Question about making a tarball
I try to keep a up to date stage 4 tarball here in my system just in case. I basically did the creation just like I would if I were booted from the CD. I created /mnt/gentoo/ on my system, extracted a stage 3 there, then chroot in and create a stage 4 tarball. I have one weird thing tho that has me confused. When it creates the stage 4 tarball, it is in /mnt/gentoo. Today I unpacked the stage 4 so that I could update it and when I do a tar xjpf stage4 -C /mnt/gentoo, it actually looks like this, /mnt/gentoo/mnt/gentoo/ which is not what I am looking for. It doesn't matter on a running system, but it would if I were trying to rescue myself. How do I tell tar when I am making the tarball to look at /mnt/gentoo/ as it start point, root directory if you will? I read the man page but suspect I am missing it somewhere. There has to be a way since it is done that way for the stage 3 tarball. Thanks Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about making a tarball
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:44:57 -0500, Dale wrote: How do I tell tar when I am making the tarball to look at /mnt/gentoo/ as it start point, root directory if you will? I read the man page but suspect I am missing it somewhere. There has to be a way since it is done that way for the stage 3 tarball. The same way you change directory when you extract, with -C. tar cf archive.tar -C /mnt/gentoo . -- Neil Bothwick Who is the oldest inhabitant of this village? We haven't got one; we had one, but he died three weeks ago. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about making a tarball
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:44:57 -0500, Dale wrote: How do I tell tar when I am making the tarball to look at /mnt/gentoo/ as it start point, root directory if you will? I read the man page but suspect I am missing it somewhere. There has to be a way since it is done that way for the stage 3 tarball. The same way you change directory when you extract, with -C. tar cf archive.tar -C /mnt/gentoo . Well, it don't like that here. I used your command and replaced with the correct parts of course: r...@smoker / # tar cf /data/Gentoo-stuff/stage4-x86-04-2009.tar -C /mnt/gentoo tar: Cowardly refusing to create an empty archive Try `tar --help' or `tar --usage' for more information. r...@smoker / # I'm missing something that is likely very obvious here. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about making a tarball
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:45:36 -0500, Dale wrote: The same way you change directory when you extract, with -C. tar cf archive.tar -C /mnt/gentoo . Well, it don't like that here. I used your command and replaced with the correct parts of course: r...@smoker / # tar cf /data/Gentoo-stuff/stage4-x86-04-2009.tar -C /mnt/gentoo tar: Cowardly refusing to create an empty archive Try `tar --help' or `tar --usage' for more information. r...@smoker / # I'm missing something that is likely very obvious here. Yep, the final '.' -- Neil Bothwick Bother, said Pooh, as the children didn't hand over their savings. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
