[gentoo-user] Re: fluxbox without xorg-server? How do you start X?
On 2009-06-28, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly. My use of fluxbox on this machine was to test that X is even working over S-Video. (It is.) My goal after that was to emerge MythTV again and try running that. Anybody running MythTV can't be too concerned about bloat. Myth requires X11 and Qt even for a headless backend server. -- Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: fluxbox without xorg-server? How do you start X?
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Grant Edwardsgra...@visi.com wrote: On 2009-06-28, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly. My use of fluxbox on this machine was to test that X is even working over S-Video. (It is.) My goal after that was to emerge MythTV again and try running that. Anybody running MythTV can't be too concerned about bloat. Myth requires X11 and Qt even for a headless backend server. -- Grant Not too concerned, but less is better. Why install all the xorg-x11 stuff when it's not needed?
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: fluxbox without xorg-server? How do you start X?
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:28:32 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: Anybody running MythTV can't be too concerned about bloat. Myth requires X11 and Qt even for a headless backend server. You only need the X libs, not the server. But anyone running a MythTV backend will have plenty of disk space anyway, so an extra few MB of libs that are unused after initial setup is hardly the end of the world :) -- Neil Bothwick Whats the difference between a magician and a brothel? One has a cunning array of stunts, signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: fluxbox without xorg-server? How do you start X?
On 2009-06-28, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:28:32 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: Anybody running MythTV can't be too concerned about bloat. Myth requires X11 and Qt even for a headless backend server. You only need the X libs, not the server. True. But anyone running a MythTV backend will have plenty of disk space anyway, so an extra few MB of libs that are unused after initial setup is hardly the end of the world :) It still grates on the engineering nerve a bit. ;) -- Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: fluxbox without xorg-server? How do you start X?
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:03:35 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: But anyone running a MythTV backend will have plenty of disk space anyway, so an extra few MB of libs that are unused after initial setup is hardly the end of the world :) It still grates on the engineering nerve a bit. ;) A curses setup program should please the frugal engineers, or would you prefer to alter the MySQL table files with a hex editor? ;-) -- Neil Bothwick Keep your words soft and sweet in case you have to eat them. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: fluxbox without xorg-server? How do you start X?
On 2009-06-28, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:03:35 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: But anyone running a MythTV backend will have plenty of disk space anyway, so an extra few MB of libs that are unused after initial setup is hardly the end of the world :) It still grates on the engineering nerve a bit. ;) A curses setup program should please the frugal engineers, or would you prefer to alter the MySQL table files with a hex editor? ;-) I usually do one of three things: 1) Type SQL commands. 2) Use Mythweb. 3) Run the setup program so that it displays on a different machine. That last option is clumsy, since it takes forever to start up, is sluggish once it is running, and I find the UI used by the setup programs to be obtuse: arrow, and enter keys never do what I expect them to (and I've been using Myth for 6+ years now). I think running the setup programs on the server is the wrong approach entirely. If I want a GUI setup program, I'd rather run it on a normal desktop/latpop machine with a decent resolution and a mouse. They've invented this thing called a network that lets a UI program on one computer talk to a database on another. It's pretty cool. Trying to do a GUI on a machine with a desktop that's 500x350 pixels and has no mouse/keyboard is always going to produce miserable results with widgets ending up completely off screen, unreadable fonts, and strings clipped to the point of being unintelligible. And indeed that's what you get get when you install MythTv an NTSC display with a normal amount of overscan. There was another MySQL table-editor UI that I tried once-upon-a-time, but it was pretty hard to get up and running, and not much easier than using 1) and 2). -- Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: fluxbox without xorg-server? How do you start X?
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:05:28 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: A curses setup program should please the frugal engineers, or would you prefer to alter the MySQL table files with a hex editor? ;-) I usually do one of three things: 1) Type SQL commands. 2) Use Mythweb. 3) Run the setup program so that it displays on a different machine. That last option is clumsy, since it takes forever to start up, is sluggish once it is running, and I find the UI used by the setup programs to be obtuse: arrow, and enter keys never do what I expect them to (and I've been using Myth for 6+ years now). You can't do stuff like channel scanning with the first two, so running mythtv-setup over SSH is the only option, which means you need qt3 and X libs on a headless server :( -- Neil Bothwick And God said Let there be light and there was light. There was still nothing, but you could see it better. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: fluxbox without xorg-server? How do you start X?
On 2009-06-29, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: You can't do stuff like channel scanning with the first two, so running mythtv-setup over SSH is the only option, which means you need qt3 and X libs on a headless server :( I know. Making channel-scanning a separate text-mode application similar to mythfilldatabase would solve that problem. The thing I find truly odd about MythTv is that is _is_ split up into frontend-UI-player and backend-server yet the backend is so distinctly ill-suited to be installed on a server type machine. This time around, I'm installing the backend on a normal desktop machine that's already going to have an X server, but it's probably going to be the only app that requires Qt3. I should try out Freevo some day. It's written in Python, so it should be more stable than MythTv. But, it doesn't support my tuner yet, and it doesn't appear to support a separate backend with multiple frontends.
[gentoo-user] Re: fluxbox without xorg-server? How do you start X?
On 2009-06-29, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: I should try out Freevo some day. It's written in Python, so it should be more stable than MythTv. But, it doesn't support my tuner yet, and it doesn't appear to support a separate backend with multiple frontends. I take that back -- I just checked the web-site and it does support separate backend/frontend machines. Hmm...
