Re: [gentoo-user] going from systemd to udev
On Tuesday 04 February 2014 18:38:27 Joseph wrote: I don't have pmount installed, and I'm not sure what XFCE4 is using. How to find out? You said that you have systemd installed, but did you actually *boot* systemd as init (PID 1)?
[gentoo-user] going from systemd to udev
Is it possible to go from systemd to udev? I don't like the way systemd works. I have a problem with mounting USB sick (it mounts as root:root) and I can not even change the permission. I am receiving Hylafax fax transmission reports (email) on all incoming faxes and now these emails are empty. It all start happening after switching to systemd :-( -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] going from systemd to udev
On 02/04/2014 01:58 PM, Joseph wrote: Is it possible to go from systemd to udev? I don't like the way systemd works. I have a problem with mounting USB sick (it mounts as root:root) and I can not even change the permission. I am receiving Hylafax fax transmission reports (email) on all incoming faxes and now these emails are empty. It all start happening after switching to systemd :-( systemd and udev are part of the same project, so I believe what you meant was switching from systemd to OpenRC. I've not made such a switch, but if you remember the steps you took, you can generally just reverse them. That is, emerge openrc again, change the kernel line in GRUB to point to regular init instead of systemd's init, reboot, and things *should* fall into place. USB drives mounting as root sounds like a udev thing rather than a systemd thing, and switching to OpenRC for your init won't fix it afaik. For the devices that you need this behavior for, it might be worth looking into writing some udev rules. You can get a start by consulting `lsusb` output and Googling for 'udev rules' to get a wide variety of guides for writing udev rules. Despite the recent changes to udev by the systemd team, udev still functions mostly the same and most guides will be accurate. I hope this helps! ~Daniel
Re: [gentoo-user] going from systemd to udev
On Tue, Feb 04 2014, Daniel Campbell wrote: On 02/04/2014 01:58 PM, Joseph wrote: Is it possible to go from systemd to udev? I don't like the way systemd works. I have a problem with mounting USB sick (it mounts as root:root) and I can not even change the permission. I am receiving Hylafax fax transmission reports (email) on all incoming faxes and now these emails are empty. It all start happening after switching to systemd :-( systemd and udev are part of the same project, so I believe what you meant was switching from systemd to OpenRC. I've not made such a switch, but if you remember the steps you took, you can generally just reverse them. That is, emerge openrc again, change the kernel line in GRUB to point to regular init instead of systemd's init, reboot, and things *should* fall into place. USB drives mounting as root sounds like a udev thing rather than a systemd thing, and switching to OpenRC for your init won't fix it afaik. For the devices that you need this behavior for, it might be worth looking into writing some udev rules. You can get a start by consulting `lsusb` output and Googling for 'udev rules' to get a wide variety of guides for writing udev rules. Despite the recent changes to udev by the systemd team, udev still functions mostly the same and most guides will be accurate. I hope this helps! ~Daniel There are changes in USE. -systemd +consolekit If you switched to a systemd profile, switch back. The wiki for going from openRC -- systemd might be helpful https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Systemd allan
Re: [gentoo-user] going from systemd to udev
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: Is it possible to go from systemd to udev? I don't like the way systemd works. I have a problem with mounting USB sick (it mounts as root:root) and I can not even change the permission. I am receiving Hylafax fax transmission reports (email) on all incoming faxes and now these emails are empty. It all start happening after switching to systemd :-( If I'm not mistaken, systemd/udev doesn't mount removable devices by default, it just notifies the system about new volume and creates links under /dev/disk. In GNOME 3 udisks is the one doing the actual mounting (AFAIU); with GNOME 2 it was gnome-volume-manager, etc. What DE do you use? Are you using something like pmount? Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] going from systemd to udev
On 02/04/14 18:03, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: Is it possible to go from systemd to udev? I don't like the way systemd works. I have a problem with mounting USB sick (it mounts as root:root) and I can not even change the permission. I am receiving Hylafax fax transmission reports (email) on all incoming faxes and now these emails are empty. It all start happening after switching to systemd :-( If I'm not mistaken, systemd/udev doesn't mount removable devices by default, it just notifies the system about new volume and creates links under /dev/disk. In GNOME 3 udisks is the one doing the actual mounting (AFAIU); with GNOME 2 it was gnome-volume-manager, etc. What DE do you use? Are you using something like pmount? Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México I'm using XFCE It all started to happen after I switched to systemd. So maybe on the weekend I'll try to switch one of the machine back to udev. I think all I need is to unmerge systemd and emerge udev without rebooting. -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] going from systemd to udev
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/04/14 18:03, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: Is it possible to go from systemd to udev? I don't like the way systemd works. I have a problem with mounting USB sick (it mounts as root:root) and I can not even change the permission. I am receiving Hylafax fax transmission reports (email) on all incoming faxes and now these emails are empty. It all start happening after switching to systemd :-( If I'm not mistaken, systemd/udev doesn't mount removable devices by default, it just notifies the system about new volume and creates links under /dev/disk. In GNOME 3 udisks is the one doing the actual mounting (AFAIU); with GNOME 2 it was gnome-volume-manager, etc. What DE do you use? Are you using something like pmount? Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México I'm using XFCE It all started to happen after I switched to systemd. So maybe on the weekend I'll try to switch one of the machine back to udev. I think all I need is to unmerge systemd and emerge udev without rebooting. As others have said, udev *IS* systemd. It's the same code and configuration [1]. And if you don't reboot after uninstalling systemd (while having booted with it), I don't think your system will stay stable for much longer. I see that thunar depends on gvfs, which can use udisks or gnome-disk-utility. Which one do you have? What does portage it says when you do: emerge -pv gnome-base/gvfs If you have the gdu USE flag enabled, I recommend switching to udisks. It's possible that it will fix everything, but I have never used Xfce, so I'm not certain. Regards. [1] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/src/udev -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] going from systemd to udev
On 02/04/14 18:38, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/04/14 18:03, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: Is it possible to go from systemd to udev? I don't like the way systemd works. I have a problem with mounting USB sick (it mounts as root:root) and I can not even change the permission. I am receiving Hylafax fax transmission reports (email) on all incoming faxes and now these emails are empty. It all start happening after switching to systemd :-( If I'm not mistaken, systemd/udev doesn't mount removable devices by default, it just notifies the system about new volume and creates links under /dev/disk. In GNOME 3 udisks is the one doing the actual mounting (AFAIU); with GNOME 2 it was gnome-volume-manager, etc. What DE do you use? Are you using something like pmount? Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México I'm using XFCE It all started to happen after I switched to systemd. So maybe on the weekend I'll try to switch one of the machine back to udev. I think all I need is to unmerge systemd and emerge udev without rebooting. As others have said, udev *IS* systemd. It's the same code and configuration [1]. And if you don't reboot after uninstalling systemd (while having booted with it), I don't think your system will stay stable for much longer. I see that thunar depends on gvfs, which can use udisks or gnome-disk-utility. Which one do you have? What does portage it says when you do: emerge -pv gnome-base/gvfs If you have the gdu USE flag enabled, I recommend switching to udisks. It's possible that it will fix everything, but I have never used Xfce, so I'm not certain. Regards. [1] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/src/udev I have: gnome-base/gvf with gdu flag disabled. and sys-fs/udisks Installed versions: 2.1.0(2)(02:33:06 PM 12/28/2013)(gptfdisk introspection -cryptsetup -debug -selinux -systemd) so it seems I have them both: gvfs and udisks. Maybe I should enabled systemd flag in udisks since Im using it already. -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] going from systemd to udev
On 02/04/14 18:38, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: [snip] I'm using XFCE It all started to happen after I switched to systemd. So maybe on the weekend I'll try to switch one of the machine back to udev. I think all I need is to unmerge systemd and emerge udev without rebooting. As others have said, udev *IS* systemd. It's the same code and configuration [1]. And if you don't reboot after uninstalling systemd (while having booted with it), I don't think your system will stay stable for much longer. I see that thunar depends on gvfs, which can use udisks or gnome-disk-utility. Which one do you have? What does portage it says when you do: emerge -pv gnome-base/gvfs If you have the gdu USE flag enabled, I recommend switching to udisks. It's possible that it will fix everything, but I have never used Xfce, so I'm not certain. Do I need to put flag: systemd in make.conf file: USE=... to enable it globally? -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] going from systemd to udev
On Feb 4, 2014 7:28 PM, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/04/14 18:38, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: [snip] I'm using XFCE It all started to happen after I switched to systemd. So maybe on the weekend I'll try to switch one of the machine back to udev. I think all I need is to unmerge systemd and emerge udev without rebooting. As others have said, udev *IS* systemd. It's the same code and configuration [1]. And if you don't reboot after uninstalling systemd (while having booted with it), I don't think your system will stay stable for much longer. I see that thunar depends on gvfs, which can use udisks or gnome-disk-utility. Which one do you have? What does portage it says when you do: emerge -pv gnome-base/gvfs If you have the gdu USE flag enabled, I recommend switching to udisks. It's possible that it will fix everything, but I have never used Xfce, so I'm not certain. Do I need to put flag: systemd in make.conf file: USE=... to enable it globally? Supposedly, you should enable local flags per package in /etc/portage/package.use, but many does put it on make.conf. Either way, if you are using systemd, you *should* set the systemd USE flag on everything, otherwise the package in question will try to use the non-systemd implementation (if any), and that will (almost surely) fail under systemd. Regards.
Re: [gentoo-user] going from systemd to udev
On 02/04/14 18:03, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: Is it possible to go from systemd to udev? I don't like the way systemd works. I have a problem with mounting USB sick (it mounts as root:root) and I can not even change the permission. I am receiving Hylafax fax transmission reports (email) on all incoming faxes and now these emails are empty. It all start happening after switching to systemd :-( If I'm not mistaken, systemd/udev doesn't mount removable devices by default, it just notifies the system about new volume and creates links under /dev/disk. In GNOME 3 udisks is the one doing the actual mounting (AFAIU); with GNOME 2 it was gnome-volume-manager, etc. What DE do you use? Are you using something like pmount? Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México I don't have pmount installed, and I'm not sure what XFCE4 is using. How to find out? -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] going from systemd to udev
On Feb 4, 2014 7:38 PM, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/04/14 18:03, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: Is it possible to go from systemd to udev? I don't like the way systemd works. I have a problem with mounting USB sick (it mounts as root:root) and I can not even change the permission. I am receiving Hylafax fax transmission reports (email) on all incoming faxes and now these emails are empty. It all start happening after switching to systemd :-( If I'm not mistaken, systemd/udev doesn't mount removable devices by default, it just notifies the system about new volume and creates links under /dev/disk. In GNOME 3 udisks is the one doing the actual mounting (AFAIU); with GNOME 2 it was gnome-volume-manager, etc. What DE do you use? Are you using something like pmount? Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México I don't have pmount installed, and I'm not sure what XFCE4 is using. How to find out? It's using gvfs, the problem is probably that gvfs is trying to use the non-systemd implementation (probably ConsoleKit) on a systemd machine. Re emerge everything with the systemd USE flag and it probably will solve itself. I mentioned pmount only because we didn't know enough; now you told us that you have gvfs, and that you didn't enabled systemd support for it even when you are using systemd. Regards.
Re: [gentoo-user] going from systemd to udev
On 02/04/14 19:33, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: [snip] emerge -pv gnome-base/gvfs If you have the gdu USE flag enabled, I recommend switching to udisks. It's possible that it will fix everything, but I have never used Xfce, so I'm not certain. Do I need to put flag: systemd in make.conf file: USE=... to enable it globally? Supposedly, you should enable local flags per package in /etc/portage/package.use, but many does put it on make.conf. Either way, if you are using systemd, you *should* set the systemd USE flag on everything, otherwise the package in question will try to use the non-systemd implementation (if any), and that will (almost surely) fail under systemd. Regards. After enable systemd flag in make.conf USE= the following packages were rebuild: sys-apps/busybox sys-apps/dbus sys-auth/pambase sys-auth/polkit sys-fs/udisks sys-power/upower gnome-base/gvfs But now I have a BIG problem, I can not mount USB stick at all as user (only as root). Eject doesn't work either. -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] going from systemd to udev
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/04/14 19:33, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: [snip] emerge -pv gnome-base/gvfs If you have the gdu USE flag enabled, I recommend switching to udisks. It's possible that it will fix everything, but I have never used Xfce, so I'm not certain. Do I need to put flag: systemd in make.conf file: USE=... to enable it globally? Supposedly, you should enable local flags per package in /etc/portage/package.use, but many does put it on make.conf. Either way, if you are using systemd, you *should* set the systemd USE flag on everything, otherwise the package in question will try to use the non-systemd implementation (if any), and that will (almost surely) fail under systemd. Regards. After enable systemd flag in make.conf USE= the following packages were rebuild: sys-apps/busybox sys-apps/dbus sys-auth/pambase sys-auth/polkit sys-fs/udisks sys-power/upower gnome-base/gvfs But now I have a BIG problem, I can not mount USB stick at all as user (only as root). Eject doesn't work either. Did you rebooted? Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] going from systemd to udev
On 02/04/14 20:06, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/04/14 19:33, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: [snip] emerge -pv gnome-base/gvfs If you have the gdu USE flag enabled, I recommend switching to udisks. It's possible that it will fix everything, but I have never used Xfce, so I'm not certain. Do I need to put flag: systemd in make.conf file: USE=... to enable it globally? Supposedly, you should enable local flags per package in /etc/portage/package.use, but many does put it on make.conf. Either way, if you are using systemd, you *should* set the systemd USE flag on everything, otherwise the package in question will try to use the non-systemd implementation (if any), and that will (almost surely) fail under systemd. Regards. After enable systemd flag in make.conf USE= the following packages were rebuild: sys-apps/busybox sys-apps/dbus sys-auth/pambase sys-auth/polkit sys-fs/udisks sys-power/upower gnome-base/gvfs But now I have a BIG problem, I can not mount USB stick at all as user (only as root). Eject doesn't work either. Did you rebooted? Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México Yes, I did. Should I reverse it? Remove flag systemd from make.conf and rebuild. -- Joseph
