[gentoo-user] xorg-server-1.5 breaks X, How to downgrade?

2009-04-15 Thread Grant
Upgrading to xorg-server-1.5 went relatively smoothly on 2 laptops,
but my first attempt on a desktop has been a failure.  I get:

Backtrace:
Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 260: dl_open_worker:
Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args-nsid)-r_state ==
RT_CONSISTENT' failed!

So many packages were upgraded along with xorg-server that I'm not
sure what to downgrade.  Here are the packages that were upgraded at
the same time.  Can anyone suggest any to downgrade?  I've already
downgraded to xorg-server-1.3.0.0-r6 and mesa-6.5.2-r1.

dev-db:sqlite
sys-libs:timezone-data
dev-libs:libevent
x11-misc:util-macros
x11-proto:xproto
x11-proto:inputproto
x11-libs:xtrans
x11-proto:renderproto
x11-proto:randrproto
x11-libs:pixman
x11-proto:xf86driproto
x11-proto:printproto
dev-libs:libpthread-stubs
x11-proto:dri2proto
x11-proto:xextproto
x11-libs:libXau
x11-libs:libdrm
x11-apps:rgb
x11-apps:sessreg
x11-libs:libX11
x11-libs:libXext
x11-libs:libXrender
x11-libs:libxkbfile
x11-apps:luit
x11-libs:libXi
x11-libs:libXrandr
x11-libs:libXxf86vm
x11-apps:xkbcomp
x11-libs:libXScrnSaver
x11-libs:libXinerama
x11-libs:libXv
x11-apps:xrandr
x11-apps:mkfontscale
x11-libs:libXfont
x11-apps:mkfontdir
net-libs:gnutls
x11-misc:xkeyboard-config
x11-libs:libXft
x11-libs:libSM
x11-libs:libXmu
media-libs:mesa
x11-apps:xauth
x11-apps:xrdb
x11-wm:twm
x11-apps:xprop
x11-apps:xwininfo
x11-apps:mesa-progs
x11-libs:libXaw
x11-apps:xsm
x11-apps:xclock
x11-apps:xmessage
x11-terms:xterm
x11-apps:xinit
x11-libs:libpciaccess
x11-base:xorg-server
x11-drivers:xf86-input-evdev

Should I just mask the installed version of all of these?  Thanks for
any advice.

- Grant



Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server-1.5 breaks X, How to downgrade?

2009-04-15 Thread Mark Knecht
Please read the thread from yesterday entitled

What do I mask to go back to xorg-server-1.3.0.0-r6

Cheers,
Mark

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Upgrading to xorg-server-1.5 went relatively smoothly on 2 laptops,
 but my first attempt on a desktop has been a failure.  I get:

 Backtrace:
 Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 260: dl_open_worker:
 Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args-nsid)-r_state ==
 RT_CONSISTENT' failed!

 So many packages were upgraded along with xorg-server that I'm not
 sure what to downgrade.  Here are the packages that were upgraded at
 the same time.  Can anyone suggest any to downgrade?  I've already
 downgraded to xorg-server-1.3.0.0-r6 and mesa-6.5.2-r1.

 dev-db:sqlite
 sys-libs:timezone-data
 dev-libs:libevent
 x11-misc:util-macros
 x11-proto:xproto
 x11-proto:inputproto
 x11-libs:xtrans
 x11-proto:renderproto
 x11-proto:randrproto
 x11-libs:pixman
 x11-proto:xf86driproto
 x11-proto:printproto
 dev-libs:libpthread-stubs
 x11-proto:dri2proto
 x11-proto:xextproto
 x11-libs:libXau
 x11-libs:libdrm
 x11-apps:rgb
 x11-apps:sessreg
 x11-libs:libX11
 x11-libs:libXext
 x11-libs:libXrender
 x11-libs:libxkbfile
 x11-apps:luit
 x11-libs:libXi
 x11-libs:libXrandr
 x11-libs:libXxf86vm
 x11-apps:xkbcomp
 x11-libs:libXScrnSaver
 x11-libs:libXinerama
 x11-libs:libXv
 x11-apps:xrandr
 x11-apps:mkfontscale
 x11-libs:libXfont
 x11-apps:mkfontdir
 net-libs:gnutls
 x11-misc:xkeyboard-config
 x11-libs:libXft
 x11-libs:libSM
 x11-libs:libXmu
 media-libs:mesa
 x11-apps:xauth
 x11-apps:xrdb
 x11-wm:twm
 x11-apps:xprop
 x11-apps:xwininfo
 x11-apps:mesa-progs
 x11-libs:libXaw
 x11-apps:xsm
 x11-apps:xclock
 x11-apps:xmessage
 x11-terms:xterm
 x11-apps:xinit
 x11-libs:libpciaccess
 x11-base:xorg-server
 x11-drivers:xf86-input-evdev

 Should I just mask the installed version of all of these?  Thanks for
 any advice.

 - Grant





Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server-1.5 breaks X, How to downgrade?

2009-04-15 Thread Grant
 Please read the thread from yesterday entitled

 What do I mask to go back to xorg-server-1.3.0.0-r6

 Cheers,
 Mark

Thanks a lot Mark, much appreciated.

- Grant


 On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Upgrading to xorg-server-1.5 went relatively smoothly on 2 laptops,
 but my first attempt on a desktop has been a failure.  I get:

 Backtrace:
 Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 260: dl_open_worker:
 Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args-nsid)-r_state ==
 RT_CONSISTENT' failed!

 So many packages were upgraded along with xorg-server that I'm not
 sure what to downgrade.  Here are the packages that were upgraded at
 the same time.  Can anyone suggest any to downgrade?  I've already
 downgraded to xorg-server-1.3.0.0-r6 and mesa-6.5.2-r1.

 dev-db:sqlite
 sys-libs:timezone-data
 dev-libs:libevent
 x11-misc:util-macros
 x11-proto:xproto
 x11-proto:inputproto
 x11-libs:xtrans
 x11-proto:renderproto
 x11-proto:randrproto
 x11-libs:pixman
 x11-proto:xf86driproto
 x11-proto:printproto
 dev-libs:libpthread-stubs
 x11-proto:dri2proto
 x11-proto:xextproto
 x11-libs:libXau
 x11-libs:libdrm
 x11-apps:rgb
 x11-apps:sessreg
 x11-libs:libX11
 x11-libs:libXext
 x11-libs:libXrender
 x11-libs:libxkbfile
 x11-apps:luit
 x11-libs:libXi
 x11-libs:libXrandr
 x11-libs:libXxf86vm
 x11-apps:xkbcomp
 x11-libs:libXScrnSaver
 x11-libs:libXinerama
 x11-libs:libXv
 x11-apps:xrandr
 x11-apps:mkfontscale
 x11-libs:libXfont
 x11-apps:mkfontdir
 net-libs:gnutls
 x11-misc:xkeyboard-config
 x11-libs:libXft
 x11-libs:libSM
 x11-libs:libXmu
 media-libs:mesa
 x11-apps:xauth
 x11-apps:xrdb
 x11-wm:twm
 x11-apps:xprop
 x11-apps:xwininfo
 x11-apps:mesa-progs
 x11-libs:libXaw
 x11-apps:xsm
 x11-apps:xclock
 x11-apps:xmessage
 x11-terms:xterm
 x11-apps:xinit
 x11-libs:libpciaccess
 x11-base:xorg-server
 x11-drivers:xf86-input-evdev

 Should I just mask the installed version of all of these?  Thanks for
 any advice.

 - Grant



Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server-1.5 breaks X, How to downgrade?

2009-04-15 Thread Dale
Grant wrote:
 Upgrading to xorg-server-1.5 went relatively smoothly on 2 laptops,
 but my first attempt on a desktop has been a failure.  I get:

 Backtrace:
 Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 260: dl_open_worker:
 Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args-nsid)-r_state ==
 RT_CONSISTENT' failed!

 So many packages were upgraded along with xorg-server that I'm not
 sure what to downgrade.  Here are the packages that were upgraded at
 the same time.  Can anyone suggest any to downgrade?  I've already
 downgraded to xorg-server-1.3.0.0-r6 and mesa-6.5.2-r1.

   SNIP 

 Should I just mask the installed version of all of these?  Thanks for
 any advice.

 - Grant


   

This is the list I used:

#   xorg-server masking  #

=x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r4
=x11-drivers/xf86-input-keyboard-1.3.2
=x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev-2.1.3
=x11-proto/printproto-1.0.4
=x11-proto/renderproto-0.9.3


=x11-libs/libXrender-0.9.4


That should be a start at least.

Dale

:-)  :-) 



Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server-1.5 breaks X, How to downgrade?

2009-04-15 Thread Grant
 Upgrading to xorg-server-1.5 went relatively smoothly on 2 laptops,
 but my first attempt on a desktop has been a failure.  I get:

 Backtrace:
 Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 260: dl_open_worker:
 Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args-nsid)-r_state ==
 RT_CONSISTENT' failed!

 So many packages were upgraded along with xorg-server that I'm not
 sure what to downgrade.  Here are the packages that were upgraded at
 the same time.  Can anyone suggest any to downgrade?  I've already
 downgraded to xorg-server-1.3.0.0-r6 and mesa-6.5.2-r1.

   SNIP 

 Should I just mask the installed version of all of these?  Thanks for
 any advice.

 - Grant




 This is the list I used:

 #   xorg-server masking  #

=x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r4
 =x11-drivers/xf86-input-keyboard-1.3.2
 =x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev-2.1.3
 =x11-proto/printproto-1.0.4
 =x11-proto/renderproto-0.9.3


 =x11-libs/libXrender-0.9.4


 That should be a start at least.

Worked perfectly, thank you.

- Grant



Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server-1.5 breaks X, How to downgrade?

2009-04-15 Thread Dale
Grant wrote:
 Upgrading to xorg-server-1.5 went relatively smoothly on 2 laptops,
 but my first attempt on a desktop has been a failure.  I get:

 Backtrace:
 Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 260: dl_open_worker:
 Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args-nsid)-r_state ==
 RT_CONSISTENT' failed!

 So many packages were upgraded along with xorg-server that I'm not
 sure what to downgrade.  Here are the packages that were upgraded at
 the same time.  Can anyone suggest any to downgrade?  I've already
 downgraded to xorg-server-1.3.0.0-r6 and mesa-6.5.2-r1.

   SNIP 

 Should I just mask the installed version of all of these?  Thanks for
 any advice.

 - Grant



   
 This is the list I used:

 #   xorg-server masking  #

 
 =x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r4
   
 =x11-drivers/xf86-input-keyboard-1.3.2
 =x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev-2.1.3
 =x11-proto/printproto-1.0.4
 =x11-proto/renderproto-0.9.3


 =x11-libs/libXrender-0.9.4


 That should be a start at least.
 

 Worked perfectly, thank you.

 - Grant


   

You happen to have a camera that is ptp?  Mine is a Canon and it won't
work.  I'm not sure if it is something during this upgrade or something
else.  If you do have one, see if it works.  May want to check your
printer if it is USB.  If you don't have any of that, disregard.

Glad you got it sorted out tho.  Having a GUI is nice.

Dale

:-)  :-) 



Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server-1.5 breaks X, How to downgrade?

2009-04-15 Thread Grant
 Upgrading to xorg-server-1.5 went relatively smoothly on 2 laptops,
 but my first attempt on a desktop has been a failure.  I get:

 Backtrace:
 Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 260: dl_open_worker:
 Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args-nsid)-r_state ==
 RT_CONSISTENT' failed!

 So many packages were upgraded along with xorg-server that I'm not
 sure what to downgrade.  Here are the packages that were upgraded at
 the same time.  Can anyone suggest any to downgrade?  I've already
 downgraded to xorg-server-1.3.0.0-r6 and mesa-6.5.2-r1.

   SNIP 

 Should I just mask the installed version of all of these?  Thanks for
 any advice.

 - Grant




 This is the list I used:

 #   xorg-server masking  #


 =x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r4

 =x11-drivers/xf86-input-keyboard-1.3.2
 =x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev-2.1.3
 =x11-proto/printproto-1.0.4
 =x11-proto/renderproto-0.9.3


 =x11-libs/libXrender-0.9.4


 That should be a start at least.


 Worked perfectly, thank you.

 - Grant




 You happen to have a camera that is ptp?  Mine is a Canon and it won't
 work.  I'm not sure if it is something during this upgrade or something
 else.  If you do have one, see if it works.  May want to check your
 printer if it is USB.  If you don't have any of that, disregard.

 Glad you got it sorted out tho.  Having a GUI is nice.

 Dale

I do have a Logitech camera attached but I don't know what ptp is and
I can't get an answer from Google.  I also have 2 USB printers
attached.  I'm not sure if they worked under xorg-server-1.5 though
since I didn't test them.  Very happy to have a GUI again. :)

- Grant



Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server-1.5 breaks X, How to downgrade?

2009-04-15 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Upgrading to xorg-server-1.5 went relatively smoothly on 2 laptops,
 but my first attempt on a desktop has been a failure.  I get:

 Backtrace:
 Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 260: dl_open_worker:
 Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args-nsid)-r_state ==
 RT_CONSISTENT' failed!

 So many packages were upgraded along with xorg-server that I'm not
 sure what to downgrade.  Here are the packages that were upgraded at
 the same time.  Can anyone suggest any to downgrade?  I've already
 downgraded to xorg-server-1.3.0.0-r6 and mesa-6.5.2-r1.

   SNIP 

 Should I just mask the installed version of all of these?  Thanks for
 any advice.

 - Grant




 This is the list I used:

 #   xorg-server masking  #


 =x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r4

 =x11-drivers/xf86-input-keyboard-1.3.2
 =x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev-2.1.3
 =x11-proto/printproto-1.0.4
 =x11-proto/renderproto-0.9.3


 =x11-libs/libXrender-0.9.4


 That should be a start at least.


 Worked perfectly, thank you.

 - Grant




 You happen to have a camera that is ptp?  Mine is a Canon and it won't
 work.  I'm not sure if it is something during this upgrade or something
 else.  If you do have one, see if it works.  May want to check your
 printer if it is USB.  If you don't have any of that, disregard.

 Glad you got it sorted out tho.  Having a GUI is nice.

 Dale

 I do have a Logitech camera attached but I don't know what ptp is and
 I can't get an answer from Google.  I also have 2 USB printers
 attached.  I'm not sure if they worked under xorg-server-1.5 though
 since I didn't test them.  Very happy to have a GUI again. :)

PTP is Picture Transfer Protocol. Basically a standard protocol for
connecting a digital camera (rather than each vendor using their
proprietary method). I think if you use gphoto2 it can detect attached
cameras and protocols.



Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server-1.5 breaks X, How to downgrade?

2009-04-15 Thread Grant
 Upgrading to xorg-server-1.5 went relatively smoothly on 2 laptops,
 but my first attempt on a desktop has been a failure.  I get:

 Backtrace:
 Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 260: dl_open_worker:
 Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args-nsid)-r_state ==
 RT_CONSISTENT' failed!

 So many packages were upgraded along with xorg-server that I'm not
 sure what to downgrade.  Here are the packages that were upgraded at
 the same time.  Can anyone suggest any to downgrade?  I've already
 downgraded to xorg-server-1.3.0.0-r6 and mesa-6.5.2-r1.

   SNIP 

 Should I just mask the installed version of all of these?  Thanks for
 any advice.

 - Grant




 This is the list I used:

 #   xorg-server masking  #


 =x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r4

 =x11-drivers/xf86-input-keyboard-1.3.2
 =x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev-2.1.3
 =x11-proto/printproto-1.0.4
 =x11-proto/renderproto-0.9.3


 =x11-libs/libXrender-0.9.4


 That should be a start at least.


 Worked perfectly, thank you.

 - Grant




 You happen to have a camera that is ptp?  Mine is a Canon and it won't
 work.  I'm not sure if it is something during this upgrade or something
 else.  If you do have one, see if it works.  May want to check your
 printer if it is USB.  If you don't have any of that, disregard.

 Glad you got it sorted out tho.  Having a GUI is nice.

 Dale

 I do have a Logitech camera attached but I don't know what ptp is and
 I can't get an answer from Google.  I also have 2 USB printers
 attached.  I'm not sure if they worked under xorg-server-1.5 though
 since I didn't test them.  Very happy to have a GUI again. :)

 PTP is Picture Transfer Protocol. Basically a standard protocol for
 connecting a digital camera (rather than each vendor using their
 proprietary method). I think if you use gphoto2 it can detect attached
 cameras and protocols.

I'm emerging gphoto2 now, but isn't it just a way of getting photos
from your camera (Nokia N82 here) onto your system?  With dbus, when I
plug my camera into USB, it automounts and I can copy the photos over
easily.

- Grant



Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server-1.5 breaks X, How to downgrade?

2009-04-15 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Upgrading to xorg-server-1.5 went relatively smoothly on 2 laptops,
 but my first attempt on a desktop has been a failure.  I get:

 Backtrace:
 Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 260: dl_open_worker:
 Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args-nsid)-r_state ==
 RT_CONSISTENT' failed!

 So many packages were upgraded along with xorg-server that I'm not
 sure what to downgrade.  Here are the packages that were upgraded at
 the same time.  Can anyone suggest any to downgrade?  I've already
 downgraded to xorg-server-1.3.0.0-r6 and mesa-6.5.2-r1.

   SNIP 

 Should I just mask the installed version of all of these?  Thanks for
 any advice.

 - Grant




 This is the list I used:

 #   xorg-server masking  #


 =x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r4

 =x11-drivers/xf86-input-keyboard-1.3.2
 =x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev-2.1.3
 =x11-proto/printproto-1.0.4
 =x11-proto/renderproto-0.9.3


 =x11-libs/libXrender-0.9.4


 That should be a start at least.


 Worked perfectly, thank you.

 - Grant




 You happen to have a camera that is ptp?  Mine is a Canon and it won't
 work.  I'm not sure if it is something during this upgrade or something
 else.  If you do have one, see if it works.  May want to check your
 printer if it is USB.  If you don't have any of that, disregard.

 Glad you got it sorted out tho.  Having a GUI is nice.

 Dale

 I do have a Logitech camera attached but I don't know what ptp is and
 I can't get an answer from Google.  I also have 2 USB printers
 attached.  I'm not sure if they worked under xorg-server-1.5 though
 since I didn't test them.  Very happy to have a GUI again. :)

 PTP is Picture Transfer Protocol. Basically a standard protocol for
 connecting a digital camera (rather than each vendor using their
 proprietary method). I think if you use gphoto2 it can detect attached
 cameras and protocols.

 I'm emerging gphoto2 now, but isn't it just a way of getting photos
 from your camera (Nokia N82 here) onto your system?  With dbus, when I
 plug my camera into USB, it automounts and I can copy the photos over
 easily.

Well, there is libgphoto2 which is what most (all?) of the camera
programs use to access the camera, because many (most?) cameras lack
USB mass storage support... one such camera would be my Canon. :)
Since you can't mount the camera and just browse and copy the files,
programs need to use libgphoto2 (or similar) to be able to communicate
with the camera and do things like list the files or download the
images to the PC.

I guess with your N82 you're just connecting it in mass storage mode
and not using gnokii or anything, right? So in that case you don't
need any special software such as gphoto2, you can just copy the files
as if you were using a card reader. Which, by the way, is why I use a
card reader with my camera instead of the stupid PTP interface. :) On
my N95 I don't take many pictures, so I used to use bluetooth to send
it to my PC... but apparently bluez is all kinds of broken right now,
and KDE4 may not have any bluetooth at all as far as I know, so now
I'll  just e-mail them from the phone or use Share Online to post it
to the web.

By the way - speaking of photos on your N82, I recommend trying
http://betalabs.nokia.com/betas/view/nokia-photo-browser if you
haven't already.  It's very basic but has lots of potential. :)



Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server-1.5 breaks X, How to downgrade?

2009-04-15 Thread Grant
 Upgrading to xorg-server-1.5 went relatively smoothly on 2 laptops,
 but my first attempt on a desktop has been a failure.  I get:

 Backtrace:
 Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 260: dl_open_worker:
 Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args-nsid)-r_state ==
 RT_CONSISTENT' failed!

 So many packages were upgraded along with xorg-server that I'm not
 sure what to downgrade.  Here are the packages that were upgraded at
 the same time.  Can anyone suggest any to downgrade?  I've already
 downgraded to xorg-server-1.3.0.0-r6 and mesa-6.5.2-r1.

   SNIP 

 Should I just mask the installed version of all of these?  Thanks for
 any advice.

 - Grant




 This is the list I used:

 #   xorg-server masking  #


 =x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r4

 =x11-drivers/xf86-input-keyboard-1.3.2
 =x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev-2.1.3
 =x11-proto/printproto-1.0.4
 =x11-proto/renderproto-0.9.3


 =x11-libs/libXrender-0.9.4


 That should be a start at least.


 Worked perfectly, thank you.

 - Grant




 You happen to have a camera that is ptp?  Mine is a Canon and it won't
 work.  I'm not sure if it is something during this upgrade or something
 else.  If you do have one, see if it works.  May want to check your
 printer if it is USB.  If you don't have any of that, disregard.

 Glad you got it sorted out tho.  Having a GUI is nice.

 Dale

 I do have a Logitech camera attached but I don't know what ptp is and
 I can't get an answer from Google.  I also have 2 USB printers
 attached.  I'm not sure if they worked under xorg-server-1.5 though
 since I didn't test them.  Very happy to have a GUI again. :)

 PTP is Picture Transfer Protocol. Basically a standard protocol for
 connecting a digital camera (rather than each vendor using their
 proprietary method). I think if you use gphoto2 it can detect attached
 cameras and protocols.

 I'm emerging gphoto2 now, but isn't it just a way of getting photos
 from your camera (Nokia N82 here) onto your system?  With dbus, when I
 plug my camera into USB, it automounts and I can copy the photos over
 easily.

 Well, there is libgphoto2 which is what most (all?) of the camera
 programs use to access the camera, because many (most?) cameras lack
 USB mass storage support... one such camera would be my Canon. :)
 Since you can't mount the camera and just browse and copy the files,
 programs need to use libgphoto2 (or similar) to be able to communicate
 with the camera and do things like list the files or download the
 images to the PC.

 I guess with your N82 you're just connecting it in mass storage mode
 and not using gnokii or anything, right? So in that case you don't
 need any special software such as gphoto2, you can just copy the files
 as if you were using a card reader. Which, by the way, is why I use a
 card reader with my camera instead of the stupid PTP interface. :) On
 my N95 I don't take many pictures, so I used to use bluetooth to send
 it to my PC... but apparently bluez is all kinds of broken right now,
 and KDE4 may not have any bluetooth at all as far as I know, so now
 I'll  just e-mail them from the phone or use Share Online to post it
 to the web.

OK, I'll stick with USB mass storage.

 By the way - speaking of photos on your N82, I recommend trying
 http://betalabs.nokia.com/betas/view/nokia-photo-browser if you
 haven't already.  It's very basic but has lots of potential. :)

Very nice, Nokia Maps 3.0 is beta too and also looks like a big step
up.  I'll keep an eye on the new photo browser for sure, that would be
a welcome upgrade.

- Grant