Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] HD running temperatures
On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 16:17 +1200, Mark Kirkwood wrote: Dave Jones wrote: I've implemented the hddtemp service, and see that my HDs, one an IBM 120GB, the other a Hitachi 120GB disk, run a steady 46 and 49 degrees C. This seems a bit too warm for my liking. Are these 'normal' running temperatures for these ATA 7200 RPM disks? Cheers, Dave Those temperatures seem a bit high for comfort. Try a fan or similar - I've got 4 Maxtor 6E040L0's with a fan in front of 'em and hddtemp reports 26-29 degrees C (These particular disks are known to run fairly cool, so for yours I'd look for temperatures in the 30-39 range). My Maxtor 6Y120P0: 30 C (ATA drive - no fan - all open boxes) Maxtor SATA 200GB: 31 C (same open box) -- #Joseph -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] HD running temperatures
On Sunday 21 May 2006 07:30, Mark Kirkwood wrote: Good advice - tho I think 50 degrees C will burn your hand in about a second, so yeah - be careful! fingerburnging starts at 55°C. or more correct 'it hurts' start there, burning is around 60°C ;) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] HD running temperatures
Mark Kirkwood wrote: You could emerge smartmontools, and see if its temperature readings agree with hddtemp (they should). Here both smartmontools and hddtemp report a temperature of 27 degrees Celsius. But KSensors gives a system temperature of 33. Sticking in a normal thermometre through the open floppy bay and leaving it there for half an hour shows 35 degrees -- that's at the top of the case, so that would fit nicely with 33 degrees lower in the box. The harddisk is directly below the floppy bay: it should be around 35 degrees, not the reported 27. Also, at boot-time smartmon reports around 7 degrees, while the room is around 17. Apparently some disks report their temperature inaccurately. /dev/hda: Maxtor 6Y080L0: 27°C Benno -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] HD running temperatures
Joseph wrote: On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 16:17 +1200, Mark Kirkwood wrote: Dave Jones wrote: I've implemented the hddtemp service, and see that my HDs, one an IBM 120GB, the other a Hitachi 120GB disk, run a steady 46 and 49 degrees C. This seems a bit too warm for my liking. Are these 'normal' running temperatures for these ATA 7200 RPM disks? Cheers, Dave Those temperatures seem a bit high for comfort. Try a fan or similar - I've got 4 Maxtor 6E040L0's with a fan in front of 'em and hddtemp reports 26-29 degrees C (These particular disks are known to run fairly cool, so for yours I'd look for temperatures in the 30-39 range). My Maxtor 6Y120P0: 30 C (ATA drive - no fan - all open boxes) Maxtor SATA 200GB: 31 C (same open box) Well, this is what I get: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # hddtemp /dev/hda /dev/hda: Maxtor 6Y080P0: 34 C [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # hddtemp /dev/hdb /dev/hdb: WDC WD800BB-00DKA0: 35 C [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # Mine is in a case that has temp controlled fans. There is no coolers or fans on the drives though. Case temp is 27C. I guess it depends on where it is measuring that temp too. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] HD running temperatures
On Sunday 21 May 2006 16:57, Teresa and Dale wrote: Joseph wrote: On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 16:17 +1200, Mark Kirkwood wrote: Dave Jones wrote: I've implemented the hddtemp service, and see that my HDs, one an IBM 120GB, the other a Hitachi 120GB disk, run a steady 46 and 49 degrees C. This seems a bit too warm for my liking. Are these 'normal' running temperatures for these ATA 7200 RPM disks? Cheers, Dave Those temperatures seem a bit high for comfort. Try a fan or similar - I've got 4 Maxtor 6E040L0's with a fan in front of 'em and hddtemp reports 26-29 degrees C (These particular disks are known to run fairly cool, so for yours I'd look for temperatures in the 30-39 range). My Maxtor 6Y120P0: 30 C (ATA drive - no fan - all open boxes) Maxtor SATA 200GB: 31 C (same open box) Well, this is what I get: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # hddtemp /dev/hda /dev/hda: Maxtor 6Y080P0: 34 C [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # hddtemp /dev/hdb /dev/hdb: WDC WD800BB-00DKA0: 35 C [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # Mine is in a case that has temp controlled fans. There is no coolers or fans on the drives though. Case temp is 27C. and you too should start cooling your drives. Case fans are not sooo important, but cool drives are. Every degree temperature reduces the lifespan a lot. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] HD running temperatures
Mark Kirkwood wrote on 21/05/06 07:30: On May 20, 2006, at 7:56 PM, Dave Jones wrote: I've implemented the hddtemp service, and see that my HDs, one an IBM 120GB, the other a Hitachi 120GB disk, run a steady 46 and 49 degrees C. When you touch them, does it feel about right. While it is warm, it is not that warm that you couldn't make a guess if it was right or not and you shouldn't hurt yourself. The reason I mention it is to have a second opinion if hddtemp is working correctly in your installation. I have not run hddtemp but have run some vendor utilities from hitachi and they gave bogus info back on HD temp The fact that both the IBM and Hitachi drives are recording similar temperatures suggests that hddtemp is probably reading them correctly. You could emerge smartmontools, and see if its temperature readings agree with hddtemp (they should). -- I was told that Hitachi took over the manufacture of IBM HDs a few years ago, and that IBM no longer deliver their own brand ATA HDs. Can anyone confirm if this is true? When I ordered a second IBM HD to match my original IBM 120 GB HD, I received a Hitachi disk instead. Maybe the IBM disk temperature readings are bogus, like the Hitachi? I've emerged smartmontools, the temperature readings it gives agree with hddtemp. smartmonctl -a /dev/hdb gives the results below, which looks bad to me. I'd guess that my Hitachi second HD is heading for the great /dev/null. I don't have a thermometer in the house at the moment, but the HD's feel warm, not terribly hot, certainly not too uncomfortable to touch. Any recommendations for cool-running ATA HDs, preferably with a capacity of around 250 GB? Definitely backup time here though! Cheers, Dave (Please excuse the following long listing) --- smartctl version 5.33 [i686-pc-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-4 Bruce Allen Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/ === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Device Model: IC35L120AVV207-0 Serial Number:VNVD03G4GDLX4P Firmware Version: V24OA63A User Capacity:123,522,416,640 bytes Device is:In smartctl database [for details use: -P show] ATA Version is: 6 ATA Standard is: ATA/ATAPI-6 T13 1410D revision 3a Local Time is:Sun May 21 18:13:13 2006 CEST SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability. SMART support is: Enabled === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED General SMART Values: Offline data collection status: (0x00) Offline data collection activity was never started. Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled. Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine completed without error or no self-test has ever been run. Total time to complete Offline data collection: (2855) seconds. Offline data collection capabilities:(0x1b) SMART execute Offline immediate. Auto Offline data collection on/off support. Suspend Offline collection upon new command. Offline surface scan supported. Self-test supported. No Conveyance Self-test supported. No Selective Self-test supported. SMART capabilities:(0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering power-saving mode. Supports SMART auto save timer. Error logging capability:(0x01) Error logging supported. General Purpose Logging supported. Short self-test routine recommended polling time:( 1) minutes. Extended self-test routine recommended polling time:( 48) minutes. SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000b 095 095 060Pre-fail Always - 589825 2 Throughput_Performance 0x0005 100 100 050Pre-fail Offline - 0 3 Spin_Up_Time0x0007 098 098 024Pre-fail Always - 266 (Average 293) 4 Start_Stop_Count0x0012 100 100 000Old_age Always - 2310 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 005Pre-fail Always - 1 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 067Pre-fail Always - 0 8 Seek_Time_Performance 0x0005 100 100 020Pre-fail Offline - 0 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 099 099 000
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] HD running temperatures
Dave Jones wrote: smartmonctl -a /dev/hdb gives the results below, which looks bad to me. I'd guess that my Hitachi second HD is heading for the great /dev/null. 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 099 099 000Old_age Always - 13573 Drive has been ruuning for 13573 hours total. Error 30 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 3448 hours (143 days Error 29 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 3448 hours (143 days Error 28 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 3448 hours (143 days These errors occurred 1 hours ago, 420 days. Since then no errors were detected. Drive is running fine, I would say. Benno -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] HD running temperatures
Benno Schulenberg wrote on 21/05/06 19:27: smartmonctl -a /dev/hdb gives the results below, which looks bad to me. I'd guess that my Hitachi second HD is heading for the great /dev/null. 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 099 099 000Old_age Always - 13573 Drive has been ruuning for 13573 hours total. Error 30 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 3448 hours (143 days Error 29 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 3448 hours (143 days Error 28 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 3448 hours (143 days These errors occurred 1 hours ago, 420 days. Since then no errors were detected. Drive is running fine, I would say. Thank you very much for this information Benno, that's put my mind at ease! I was a bit concerned about the output from hdb as the smartmonctl command output from my hda showed no errors at all. I'm still backing the hdb disk up though, better safe than sorry - and it's a nice NFS performance test too! Cheers, Dave -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] HD running temperatures
On May 21, 2006, at 10:40 AM, Dave Jones wrote: Any recommendations for cool-running ATA HDs, preferably with a capacity of around 250 GB? I bought a bunch of Hitachi 250 SATA drives -- they probably have an ATA interface version. Running open with no airflow they get slightly warm to the touch in my case. They are for a 1U rack that has a ton of big 40x40x28 mm fans that pull air across them but before I close it all up I hook a CD etc up to install and at that point they are running in the open. (I don't put a CDROM in the case for normal operation) Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] HD running temperatures
On Sunday 21 May 2006 03:56, Dave Jones wrote: I've implemented the hddtemp service, and see that my HDs, one an IBM 120GB, the other a Hitachi 120GB disk, run a steady 46 and 49 degrees C. This seems a bit too warm for my liking. Are these 'normal' running temperatures for these ATA 7200 RPM disks? Cheers, Dave I am not sure for THAT drives - but below 40°C. The lower the better. Are you using a hd-cooler? If no, start using it. High temperatures really decrease the lifetime of harddisks. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
