Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007, Iain Buchanan wrote: On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 10:40 -0300, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman wrote: Many mail readers (e.g Thunderbird) put the signature (that means, the text after a \r\n--\r\n token) in a different, lighter color. actually, I think that's supposed to be dash-dash-space-newline. Thus, replying below the signature may put your reply in the same color, potentially rendering it invisible to some eyes. evolution automatically deletes everything including and below the dash-dash-space-newline when you reply. Which is handy because signatures really should not be quoted in the first place. Quote only what is needed. Text is attributed at the beginning of the quote. Mikko -- Mikko Ruuska, R D Solid Information Technology -- http://www.solidtech.com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting
On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 10:40 -0300, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kent Fredric wrote: I'll put it here to keep you happy, but IMO, if the body of the message discusses a singular idea, then replying after the signature should be somewhat imo acceptable. Many mail readers (e.g Thunderbird) put the signature (that means, the text after a \r\n--\r\n token) in a different, lighter color. actually, I think that's supposed to be dash-dash-space-newline. Thus, replying below the signature may put your reply in the same color, potentially rendering it invisible to some eyes. evolution automatically deletes everything including and below the dash-dash-space-newline when you reply. cya, -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au We must believe in free will. We have no choice. -Isaac B. Singer -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Iain Buchanan wrote: evolution automatically deletes everything including and below the dash-dash-space-newline when you reply. There we go... PS: newline-dash-dash-space-newline, - Without the first newline, any line that contains -- would be a signature from there on. - I'll see what happens after I press send and re-read it. - -- Arturo Buanzo Busleiman - Consultor Independiente en Seguridad Informatica ¿No sabés a dónde ir a comer o tomar algo? Visitá www.vivamoslavida.com.ar -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFpjT/AlpOsGhXcE0RAqobAJ4oozdA7a8eWwhjm5qiZim/IpnZ2QCfc1cq GTd/ECbcZPLQLvioSHxGYMo= =KlVK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Richard Fish Sent: 10 January 2007 03:08 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] gcc slots The established community standard on this list is bottom posting. I can't recall anybody complaining about bottom-postingon any mail list*ever*. This is reason enough to adhere to the standard. -Richard Either suits me - my email client (Outlook, I don't have the choice at work. I asked for a *nix workstation rather than a Windows 2000 one and was greeted with laughter) automagically wants to top post but it's no work to click down a bit. I would say that most replies only reply to maybe a few lines of the preceeding message and so should usually fit on a reasonably sized window. I do have to admit to having a rather nice 17in 1280x1024 monitor though so : Is there perhaps a way to make an email client jump down to the first line not preceeded with a if it makes it easier for some people? Or perhaps a project for the KMail/Thunderbird/Evolution devs? :) David Note: These views are my own, advice is provided with no guarantee of success. I do not represent anyone else in any emails I send to this list. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting
Am Mittwoch, 10. Januar 2007 08:55 schrieb ext Nelson, David (ED, PARD): I would say that most replies only reply to maybe a few lines of the preceeding message and so should usually fit on a reasonably sized window. Then one should delete the irrelevant parts anyway. Is there perhaps a way to make an email client jump down to the first line not preceeded with a if it makes it easier for some people? Or perhaps a project for the KMail/Thunderbird/Evolution devs? :) Why? Instead of putting the whole answer above the whole original text, people would put it below, then. This would be somehow better, but still far from good. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net pgpHLkgFCuw3Q.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting
On 1/10/07, Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mittwoch, 10. Januar 2007 08:55 schrieb ext Nelson, David (ED, PARD): I would say that most replies only reply to maybe a few lines of the preceeding message and so should usually fit on a reasonably sized window. Then one should delete the irrelevant parts anyway. Is there perhaps a way to make an email client jump down to the first line not preceeded with a if it makes it easier for some people? Or perhaps a project for the KMail/Thunderbird/Evolution devs? :) Why? Instead of putting the whole answer above the whole original text, people would put it below, then. This would be somehow better, but still far from good. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net Or use GMail for emaill, its great, it does 'diff' like working and masks the nasties of both posting styles. I find gmail great for thread tracking, it auto groups converstations. That said, im in favour of bottom posting, logically it makes more sence. answers after questions, not before. :) -- /ent Fredric (aka theJackal) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting
Am Mittwoch, 10. Januar 2007 09:42 schrieb ext Kent Fredric: Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net Or use GMail for emaill, its great, it does 'diff' like working and masks the nasties of both posting styles. I find gmail great for thread tracking, it auto groups converstations. That said, im in favour of bottom posting, logically it makes more sence. answers after questions, not before. :) But to what part of my mail did you answer to? To the sig? *SCNR*. Placing an answer below the whole original mail w/o thinking is as bad as top posting. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net pgpEjxnXXgAEB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 09:28:00 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Is there perhaps a way to make an email client jump down to the first line not preceeded with a if it makes it easier for some people? Or perhaps a project for the KMail/Thunderbird/Evolution devs? :) Claws Mail has this option. Why? Instead of putting the whole answer above the whole original text, people would put it below, then. And this is why I don't use it. Most decent mail clients have a far better option, highlight the part of the message you wish to reply to before hitting Reply and only that text will be quoted. -- Neil Bothwick Like an atheist in a grave: all dressed up and no place to go. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting
On 10 January 2007 10:42, Kent Fredric wrote: That said, im in favour of bottom posting, logically it makes more sence. answers after questions, not before. :) I am for pruning the original mail and posting in context. ;-) Uwe -- A fast and easy generator of fractals for KDE: http://www.SysEx.com.na/iwy-1.0.tar.bz2 Proof of concept of a TSP solver for KDE: http://www.SysEx.com.na/epat-0.1.tar.bz2 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting
On Wednesday 10 January 2007 03:40, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting': Most decent mail clients have a far better option, highlight the part of the message you wish to reply to before hitting Reply and only that text will be quoted. I generally don't use this feature either, because I try to put my reply text as close as possible to what I'm replying to, resulting in an interleaved message. In the case there's a single piece of text I'm replying to, it is nice to have. Sans this highlight relevant part(s) feature, the proper behavior for an email client to to start at the top with the entire body of the email being replied to quoted (the RFC that covers text/plain;format=flowed discusses HOW to quote) below the cursor, and any signature below the quoted text, separated from the rest of the email with the text -- on a line by itself (this specific signature separator is specified in some RFC). As this point, a responsible users scan down the message removing the irrelevant part(s) and putting his/her reply below the relevant part(s). In the future, it may be possible that emails are sent in a language that has a bottom-to-top page order (I don't know of any languages that do this currently). In that case, the cursor should start at the beginning of page and replies should go after their relevant parts as the user scans through the email. -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh pgp4j2ft2upa5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting
On 1/10/07, Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mittwoch, 10. Januar 2007 09:42 schrieb ext Kent Fredric: Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net Or use GMail for emaill, its great, it does 'diff' like working and masks the nasties of both posting styles. I find gmail great for thread tracking, it auto groups converstations. That said, im in favour of bottom posting, logically it makes more sence. answers after questions, not before. :) But to what part of my mail did you answer to? To the sig? *SCNR*. Placing an answer below the whole original mail w/o thinking is as bad as top posting. I'll put it here to keep you happy, but IMO, if the body of the message discusses a singular idea, then replying after the signature should be somewhat imo acceptable. But admittedly, you do have quite a sizable signature ;) ( compensating for something? :P jk ) . Admittedly, I think how you handle interleave/bottom posting should be case dependent. Im still debating with myself at what stage (if at all) you cull out the old message when it gets deep in reply chains in order to economize on message size for clients which don't automatically hide that which is irrelevant in context by automatic comparison to the previous message :), or whether stripping out a signature from a message is potentially damaging intellectual property :) Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net -- Kent -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:15:58 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: Most decent mail clients have a far better option, highlight the part of the message you wish to reply to before hitting Reply and only that text will be quoted. I generally don't use this feature either, because I try to put my reply text as close as possible to what I'm replying to, resulting in an interleaved message. In the case there's a single piece of text I'm replying to, it is nice to have. So you highlight the block of mail containing the parts you wish to reply to. Sans this highlight relevant part(s) feature, the proper behavior for an email client to to start at the top with the entire body of the email being replied to quoted Then type your replies in the appropriate places, removing any parts you don't need. it's still easier than starting with the whole mail and removing huge swathes, especially if the previous mail used excessive quoting. -- Neil Bothwick We secretly replaced the dilithium with Folgers Crystals signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kent Fredric wrote: I'll put it here to keep you happy, but IMO, if the body of the message discusses a singular idea, then replying after the signature should be somewhat imo acceptable. Many mail readers (e.g Thunderbird) put the signature (that means, the text after a \r\n--\r\n token) in a different, lighter color. Thus, replying below the signature may put your reply in the same color, potentially rendering it invisible to some eyes. - -- Arturo Buanzo Busleiman - Consultor Independiente en Seguridad Informatica ¿No sabés a dónde ir a comer o tomar algo? Visitá www.vivamoslavida.com.ar -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFpOzCAlpOsGhXcE0RAmEgAJ9Tn3AdPAwf7rx0mRItU+Nz3qZJowCggP52 uvN/yqilNHdry2+IrLEgWQo= =eR2V -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
