Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: Connected question: How do I quickly find all the packages that got installed as a dependency, but which are no longer needed, because the dependent package got removed (as an example, I'd like to find kde-i18n, because that used to be a dependency of kde-meta and kde-meta is no longer installed). emerge --depclean -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
Michael Schmarck wrote: Connected question: How do I quickly find all the packages that got installed as a dependency, but which are no longer needed, because the dependent package got removed (as an example, I'd like to find kde-i18n, because that used to be a dependency of kde-meta and kde-meta is no longer installed). Thanks, Michael emerge -p depclean will give you a list of all of those packages, and you can then add to your world file, or uninstall as you see fit Be *extremely* careful with this command though... Anthony signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Dale wrote: That will tell you packages that are installed and !may! not be needed by other packages. Note all the warnings here? I have not had anything serious removed by using this in ages but strange things can happen. You need to be careful with this. Remove the wrong thing and it can be a uphill battle to get it fixed. Like the fellow in the next desk this morning updating a machine that hasn't been touched since 2005 (!) He noticed a blocker with python-updater after 'emerge world' and was about to unmerge python and remerge the new one to get around the blocker ... Lucky I saw it in time... -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
Michael Schmarck wrote: Thanks. I think I removed kde-meta, because it installs too much stuff, that I don't need (like kppp). It would be nice, if the kde-meta ebuild would be more like the gst-plugins-meta package, in that it sould allow the user to specify what he wants to get installed and what not. It shouldn't be an all or nothing approach, IMO. Michael Ahhh, I see. You can check the Gentoo docs page and there is a page that tells you how NOT to use kde-meta. It's not a big deal and I think most people do it that way. It's like a lot of things, it's a matter of preference. Dale :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other option is to use the kde*meta ebuilds, which do directly depend on the sub-ordinate packages. This is what I do and I don't get the effect you observed. Thanks. I think I removed kde-meta, because it installs too much stuff, that I don't need (like kppp). It would be nice, if the kde-meta ebuild would be more like the gst-plugins-meta package, in that it sould allow the user to specify what he wants to get installed and what not. It shouldn't be an all or nothing approach, IMO. Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ ls -1d /var/portage/kde-base/*meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdeaccessibility-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdeaddons-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdeadmin-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdeartwork-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdebase-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdebindings-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdeedu-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdegames-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdegraphics-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kde-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdemultimedia-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdenetwork-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdepim-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdesdk-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdetoys-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdeutils-meta /var/portage/kde-base/kdewebdev-meta Use these instead of kde-meta. If you want only some stuff in one of those and not everything, omit the -meta, look inside it's ebuild and install the DEPENDS you do want. Same result as what you asked for, different means of achieving it. -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
Michael Schmarck wrote: SNIP Connected question: How do I quickly find all the packages that got installed as a dependency, but which are no longer needed, because the dependent package got removed (as an example, I'd like to find kde-i18n, because that used to be a dependency of kde-meta and kde-meta is no longer installed). Thanks, Michael First things first. Use caution with this. A LOT of caution. Always do a --pretend first, no exception. I would strongly recommend you to never let it just remove packages, always remove them by hand. That's how I do it anyway. emerge -p --depclean That will tell you packages that are installed and !may! not be needed by other packages. Note all the warnings here? I have not had anything serious removed by using this in ages but strange things can happen. You need to be careful with this. Remove the wrong thing and it can be a uphill battle to get it fixed. If you have a problem with things being removed from your world file, someone may can give you the command to rebuild it. I'd backup the current one first, just in case. I'm pretty sure there is a way to do that but can't recall at the moment. I have never had to do that before. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:30:11 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: I think I removed kde-meta, because it installs too much stuff, that I don't need (like kppp). It would be nice, if the kde-meta ebuild would be more like the gst-plugins-meta package, in that it sould allow the user to specify what he wants to get installed and what not. It shouldn't be an all or nothing approach, IMO. But that's exactly what it's for merge this to pull in all non-developer, split kde-base/* packages. If you want to pick and choose, emerge the packages you want, there's no need to add extra USE flags and another layer of complexity when the current system handles both all-in-one and selective installs just fine. -- Neil Bothwick Dolly Parton-- silicone based life signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Dale wrote: That will tell you packages that are installed and !may! not be needed by other packages. Note all the warnings here? I have not had anything serious removed by using this in ages but strange things can happen. You need to be careful with this. Remove the wrong thing and it can be a uphill battle to get it fixed. Like the fellow in the next desk this morning updating a machine that hasn't been touched since 2005 (!) He noticed a blocker with python-updater after 'emerge world' and was about to unmerge python and remerge the new one to get around the blocker ... Lucky I saw it in time... New friend for life I suspect. That would be a doozy for sure. I haven't done that yet. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Dale wrote: That will tell you packages that are installed and !may! not be needed by other packages. Note all the warnings here? I have not had anything serious removed by using this in ages but strange things can happen. You need to be careful with this. Remove the wrong thing and it can be a uphill battle to get it fixed. Like the fellow in the next desk this morning updating a machine that hasn't been touched since 2005 (!) He noticed a blocker with python-updater after 'emerge world' and was about to unmerge python and remerge the new one to get around the blocker ... Lucky I saw it in time... New friend for life I suspect. That would be a doozy for sure. I haven't done that yet. I have :-) I've also removed (forcibly) all versions of gcc, portage, and glibc individually and all together. quickpkg is a nice thing to know about :-) Once I even merged busybox to the root filesystem. It overwrites all the Unix tools with symlinks to busybox. Cool, you get a tiny install that can go on an embedded device. BUT, busybox give you tar, it does not give you tar -o Guess which gentoo-specific app requires tar -o? Do I hear the word portage? Anyone?? -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: I think you need to fix your world before before doing any --depclean steps. Seems like :) Probably not now that we have the full picture though -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -DuvatN world doesn't show all upgradeable packages
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Dale wrote: I have :-) I've also removed (forcibly) all versions of gcc, portage, and glibc individually and all together. quickpkg is a nice thing to know about :-) I got that covered. I found this little tid bit of info. OP may want to make a note of this too. Pst, you see this? FEATURES=buildsyspkg sandbox fixpackages parallel-fetch I like the buildsyspkg part. At least I will have the system packages and can boot up. Once I even merged busybox to the root filesystem. It overwrites all the Unix tools with symlinks to busybox. Cool, you get a tiny install that can go on an embedded device. Sounds cool, for the right equipment. ;-) Maybe not a desktop or a fancy server, on second thought. :-p BUT, busybox give you tar, it does not give you tar -o Guess which gentoo-specific app requires tar -o? Do I hear the word portage? Anyone?? Naturally. What else could use that? Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
