Re: [gentoo-user] AMD vs. Intel on Gentoo?
Hi folks, from an typical SME view (mostly workstation and fileservers) I don't really see an performance difference worth thinking of (as already stated, there're lot's of other bottlenecks, like storage IO). AMD tends to win this battle by price, but Intel tends to be a bit more rubust: I'm still running a bunch of P3 boxes and never get an CPU killed, but Athlon's (plain, not notebook variants) can be easily burned by improper cooling. But with an good cooling (eg. NOT using cheap gel beared fans), I don't see major problems. So for most cases I personally prefer AMD simply by costs. BTW: I'd really interested in experience reports about completely different architectures (eg. RISC based). cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ - Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: http://patches.metux.de/ - -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] AMD vs. Intel on Gentoo?
On Sonntag, 23. März 2008, Neil Walker wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: price/performance still favours AMD. How on earth do you justify that statement? AMD Athlon64 X2 EE 6000+ 129€ (boxed) Intel® Core 2 Duo E6850 234€ Intel® Core 2 Duo E4700 134€ (not boxed). -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] AMD vs. Intel on Gentoo?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Grant wrote: | I had become an AMD guy, but I think I'm hearing that Intel is beating | AMD in performance tests. Plus my AMD64 X2 desktop should be much | faster than my Intel laptop but is actually slower. What do you guys | think? | | - Grant Well, as others have pointed out, the speed you experience, as an end consumer has to do with every other component in your computer, in addition to the CPU. For example, the bus speed of the mainboard, the chipset, the size, speed and type of hard drives you have, and of course, the video hardware (including the interfaces to the mainboard. Lest I forget, it also depends a lot on the amount and speed of the RAM that you have in your system. As for the performance tests, they are not generally a very good measure of how well a processor will perform in the real world. AMD and Intel have been in competition for the #1 spot since AMD was formed, and for a long time AMD was ahead of Intel on a number of factors (performance and cost being two). Give it some time, and you'll see a turn around, IMHO. I can't be certain, since I haven't been keeping up with industry news, as I should, but I believe that AMD has always had the better engineers. Regards, Chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFH5hQGUx1jS/ORyCsRCkvpAKCLzX4d++WW+zW0tmeFkaD5OGzlFQCeI/Vq wzMuNgCY1AekTiok5d/44V0= =Xs2W -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] AMD vs. Intel on Gentoo?
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: How on earth do you justify that statement? AMD Athlon64 X2 EE 6000+ 129€ (boxed) Intel® Core 2 Duo E6850 234€ Intel® Core 2 Duo E4700 134€ (not boxed). There is no equivalence there in terms of actual processing power. The best buy on the market for bang per buck is the Intel Q6600. Also, whilst nominally a 2.4 GHz chip, it runs happily at 3.0 GHz with the standard cooler - some examples even faster. ;) From Overclockers.co.uk: Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600 Energy Efficient SLACR 95W Edition 2.40GHz (1066FSB) - OEM http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-172-INgroupid=701catid=6subcat= Quad Core Technology, 2.40GHz clock speed, 8MB L2 Cache, Intel Speedstep Technology, EM64T 64-Bit Technology, Execute Disable Bit, Energy Efficient Version, 1yr Warranty. Average rating of 5.0 http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-172-INtool=3groupid=701catid=6subcat= Intel 10+ in stock £123.99 (£145.69) Be lucky, Neil -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] AMD vs. Intel on Gentoo?
On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sonntag, 23. März 2008, Neil Walker wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: price/performance still favours AMD. How on earth do you justify that statement? AMD Athlon64 X2 EE 6000+ 129€ (boxed) Intel(R) Core 2 Duo E6850 234€ Intel(R) Core 2 Duo E4700 134€ (not boxed). -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list I find Tom;s Hardware is a nice site to refer to: http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] AMD vs. Intel on Gentoo?
On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 10:07 -0700, Grant wrote: I had become an AMD guy, but I think I'm hearing that Intel is beating AMD in performance tests. Plus my AMD64 X2 desktop should be much faster than my Intel laptop but is actually slower. What do you guys think? - Grant I work at the German Aerospace Center (basically the German NASA). We've been using AMD CPUs for a long time on our clusters and workstations because they were not only cheaper but also faster on floating point operations whereas Intel was faster on integer operations. Now we are switching to Intel because AMD lost this advantage and has problems delivering the ordered number of CPUs. I personally stick with AMD because they have a factory in Germany and I don't want Intel to rule the market as they've done before AMD came up with the Athlon XP. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] AMD vs. Intel on Gentoo?
Grant schrieb: I had become an AMD guy, but I think I'm hearing that Intel is beating AMD in performance tests. Plus my AMD64 X2 desktop should be much faster than my Intel laptop but is actually slower. What do you guys think? - Grant Well the experience of a desktop or an application depends on more than just the processor. Nearly every part of a computer does its part. And then you have the software, what software you use, how it is build, what reqirements this software has on other software and hardware and so on. Does it uses the FPU or is it heavy on the ALU. How much IO is used and how much can the system provide. But if you believe the average hardwaremagazine, intel is a step ahead right now. Norman -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] AMD vs. Intel on Gentoo?
Florian Philipp schrieb: On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 10:07 -0700, Grant wrote: I had become an AMD guy, but I think I'm hearing that Intel is beating AMD in performance tests. Plus my AMD64 X2 desktop should be much faster than my Intel laptop but is actually slower. What do you guys think? - Grant I work at the German Aerospace Center (basically the German NASA). We've been using AMD CPUs for a long time on our clusters and workstations because they were not only cheaper but also faster on floating point operations whereas Intel was faster on integer operations. Now we are switching to Intel because AMD lost this advantage and has problems delivering the ordered number of CPUs. I personally stick with AMD because they have a factory in Germany and I don't want Intel to rule the market as they've done before AMD came up with the Athlon XP. I can confirm that. The German Weather Service uses AMD CPU's on the servers for visualising weathercharts due to better FPU performance. The new bunch of servers however are intel systems. Norman -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] AMD vs. Intel on Gentoo?
On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 18:44 +0100, Norman Rieß wrote: Grant schrieb: I had become an AMD guy, but I think I'm hearing that Intel is beating AMD in performance tests. Plus my AMD64 X2 desktop should be much faster than my Intel laptop but is actually slower. What do you guys think? - Grant Well the experience of a desktop or an application depends on more than just the processor. Nearly every part of a computer does its part. And then you have the software, what software you use, how it is build, what reqirements this software has on other software and hardware and so on. Does it uses the FPU or is it heavy on the ALU. How much IO is used and how much can the system provide. But if you believe the average hardwaremagazine, intel is a step ahead right now. Norman When Intel finally implements HyperTransport (I think it's planned for the next generation), AMD will loose their last bastion performance wise ... what a pity. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] AMD vs. Intel on Gentoo?
On Samstag, 22. März 2008, Grant wrote: I had become an AMD guy, but I think I'm hearing that Intel is beating AMD in performance tests. Plus my AMD64 X2 desktop should be much faster than my Intel laptop but is actually slower. What do you guys think? price/performance still favours AMD. Also, without even knowing your hardware, it is really hard to say why your laptop is faster or your desktop slower. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] AMD vs. Intel on Gentoo?
Grant schrieb: I had become an AMD guy, but I think I'm hearing that Intel is beating AMD in performance tests. Plus my AMD64 X2 desktop should be much faster than my Intel laptop but is actually slower. What do you guys think? - Grant Well the experience of a desktop or an application depends on more than just the processor. Nearly every part of a computer does its part. And then you have the software, what software you use, how it is build, what reqirements this software has on other software and hardware and so on. Does it uses the FPU or is it heavy on the ALU. How much IO is used and how much can the system provide. But if you believe the average hardwaremagazine, intel is a step ahead right now. Norman When Intel finally implements HyperTransport (I think it's planned for the next generation), AMD will loose their last bastion performance wise ... what a pity. It is a pity. When did AMD's overall advantage disappear? - Grant With the arrival of the Core CPU's. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] AMD vs. Intel on Gentoo?
I had become an AMD guy, but I think I'm hearing that Intel is beating AMD in performance tests. Plus my AMD64 X2 desktop should be much faster than my Intel laptop but is actually slower. What do you guys think? - Grant Well the experience of a desktop or an application depends on more than just the processor. Nearly every part of a computer does its part. And then you have the software, what software you use, how it is build, what reqirements this software has on other software and hardware and so on. Does it uses the FPU or is it heavy on the ALU. How much IO is used and how much can the system provide. But if you believe the average hardwaremagazine, intel is a step ahead right now. Norman When Intel finally implements HyperTransport (I think it's planned for the next generation), AMD will loose their last bastion performance wise ... what a pity. It is a pity. When did AMD's overall advantage disappear? - Grant -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] AMD vs. Intel on Gentoo?
On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had become an AMD guy, but I think I'm hearing that Intel is beating AMD in performance tests. Plus my AMD64 X2 desktop should be much faster than my Intel laptop but is actually slower. What do you guys think? - Grant Well the experience of a desktop or an application depends on more than just the processor. Nearly every part of a computer does its part. And then you have the software, what software you use, how it is build, what reqirements this software has on other software and hardware and so on. Does it uses the FPU or is it heavy on the ALU. How much IO is used and how much can the system provide. But if you believe the average hardwaremagazine, intel is a step ahead right now. Norman When Intel finally implements HyperTransport (I think it's planned for the next generation), AMD will loose their last bastion performance wise ... what a pity. It is a pity. When did AMD's overall advantage disappear? - Grant When Intel came out with its Core Two Duo CPUs, and *really* when Intel came out with Quad Cores before AMD. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] AMD vs. Intel on Gentoo?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi. AMD has had better engineers than Intel all the time. Intel just had the money. A few years ago the CIO from Intel advised engineers to be more creative. So AMD will stay ahead of the pack and if they find the right way (actually they're going the right way - open specifications) the competition is going on. I hope that nVidia won't acquire AMD. In fact atm. there is no measurable performance difference weather in IU nor in FPU operations, however AMD has a better performance/price. In HPCs AMD beats Intel because they don't use obsolete FSB. I am looking forward to the new CPU architecture where GPU and CPU find together. I am using Intel technology because chipset, wlan, bluetooth and so on are working great together, although there is no HypterTransport. Intel is going to follow AMD because they have the money. Regards, acm. PS: Greets to the German Aerospace Center in Neustrelitz and it's networking department. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH5WLtYCx19pTB5PERAjPiAJ9UYjy1frSb0c+tnxwPZR2ujyOcnQCcDgkM GWM4vRk629A1IBNEBPyBWs8= =eGMg -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] AMD vs. Intel on Gentoo?
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: price/performance still favours AMD. How on earth do you justify that statement? I am an AMD fan and have been since the 486/133 (was a Cyrix fan before then) but I can certainly tell you that the performance of the Intel Q6600 makes the AMD Phenom 7600 look decidedly pathetic and the Intel is cheaper - at least where I shop. I have both so I am talking from practical experience. I have an AMD Phenom 7500 sitting on the floor behind me which isn't even worth sticking in a motherboard. Another Intel Q6600 arrives on Tuesday. I really hope AMD get their lead back but they are struggling at the moment. :( Be lucky, Neil -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
